Newbie Mini Mafia LVII

On July 30 2014 01:51 DCLXVI wrote:
I checked tea walrus night 0, confirmed town.

On July 30 2014 02:17 JennyHell wrote:
Am I the only one wondering what was consumed at said lunch date?

On July 30 2014 02:29 GlowingBear wrote:


I guess you are right.

##Unvote
##Vote: tehpoofter

On July 30 2014 03:53 Teemursu wrote:

Statistically? LMFAO

On July 30 2014 04:00 Tehpoofter wrote:

Looks like we gotta wise guy, a bit of an overreaction would you say??

Saying I'm not funny?

##unvote
##Vote lilwade

On July 30 2014 04:09 Tehpoofter wrote:


I don't like this post. You might actually be mafia.

On July 30 2014 04:47 Seeyalater wrote:

And yet you are over reacting to his over reacting...

I can't say I trust either of you.

On July 30 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:


Apologetic to me seemed to be understanding of my style... bump that he doesn't know me maybe this is exactly how I play as mafia. Felt like he knew I was town and wanted to be sorta friendly not really start anything early.

On July 30 2014 05:23 Teemursu wrote:

Want to explain your vote a bit?

On July 30 2014 06:11 JennyHell wrote:
I can see why people are on the fence or dislike Poofter. He's a strong player during video mafia and even during times I have a strong town read on him, it's still at the back of my mind that he could be fooling me and in fact be mafia. He's really good at portraying town when being mafia, and really good at finding that perfect position when a role to not be targeted by mafia during the night.

That said, I personally don't feel like he's the target for today.

We have yet to hear anything from meatpudding and Lord Tolkien doesn't even seem like he cares.

I'd like to hear from as many as possible before I feel comfortable enough to truly vote on anyone today.

On July 30 2014 06:28 Tehpoofter wrote:


Just hope I'm town and role with it.

Do you think I'm doing a good job of appearing town... whether or not that is what you think I am. Like do you think townie people would read me as town?

On July 30 2014 06:52 Tehpoofter wrote:
Marry (Someone I'd ride until the end of time) - Tehpoofter and Jenny

Bang (I'd love 'em and leave em) - Glowingbear, RomanNumeralGuy, Lord Tolkien

Kill (I'd vote for them to no longer be alive anymore) - Lilwade, Teemu, Seeyalater

Too insignificant to appear on the list: Everyone else can get killed or die from the sorrow of being ignored by me.

On July 30 2014 07:43 JennyHell wrote:
I felt that GB came out strong, leading town in a direction that is much needed on D1. It's always a bit hard to transition into the serious talk about the game and stop the trolly joke posts and he chose to be the one to break the pattern, so to speak.

He seem to be trying to gather information and ask questions but he's so far been less willing to tell much about himself and his thoughts, having to be pinged out for it by both Teemu and Poofter.

He first said he didn't know what to read from my answer, but then came back with a comment that I was withholding information as paranoid town. I think he maybe expected too much but at least he gave it an effort to try to figure me out.

I'll read him town for today, but I will make sure to check back on him regularly and I reserve the right to change my mind about him, should I need to.

On July 30 2014 08:38 JennyHell wrote:



Even though I'm sure most of us caught it, I'm not sure how I feel about it being pointed out like lilwade did.
Was it to troll, was it to alert inert buddy mafia or was it just not fully thought through?

On July 30 2014 09:02 Tehpoofter wrote:


My soft was a little too obvious to be soft. It does worry me that he pointed it out cause yeah you generally shouldn't talk about it.

On July 30 2014 09:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Biggest problem for me is that the jokes and filler are permeating this entire thread. Makes filter-diving a bitch, pls be mo' srs gaiz (now I want to request a feature to delete posts in a filter, I could probably reduce most filters down to <5 posts each). And quote stuff you're responding to for meh.

Anyways, quick skim through filters:


In all other sections, yes. In TL Mafia section, double/triple/multipost away (unless it's really fking obvious you're just post-count inflating or shitposting; condense if possible).

Outside of that, I like your posts. Seeya's been more or less serious throughout with his posts, and I agree with most of his points (lurker lynch policy, check, changing reads, check, properly interpreting my first null post as null, check).

GlowingBear: Started the srs talk, but hasn't been very active past that. My experience in my second TL mafia game (fuck if I remember the number) is that moving the game out of the joke phase is an easy way for mafia to pick up extra brownie points, so I don't give any major points for that. GB, why do you peg Jenny and Seeya as your initial scum reads? Curious about that.

meatpudding: lyncherino if no good posterino, or await the unfortunate modkill/sub in.

TehPoofter: Reads as strong town to me. Not sure why we have a bandwagon on him of all people. Pls explain, DCLXVI.

JennyHell: Why is Teemu (mayyyybeee) clear in your eyes exactly? Outside of a tea made of walruses being trustworthy, all he's done is asked questions with weak followup. His filter is too wafer-thin for me to make any judgements.

#Vote lilwade
Right now, all I know is that he agrees with JennyHell, and hasn't taken a stance on anything despite a 1.5 page filter, and I quite frankly find him more scummy than TehPoofter which is a pretty bad D1 lynch, I have to say since he's been pretty active and actually contributing to town.

I'll try to post more in-depth analysis later when I have the time to be more thorough, but these are my initial thoughts.

On July 30 2014 09:26 Lord Tolkien wrote:

*referring to TehPoofter.

On July 30 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:


https://mobile.twitter.com/Frintard

Is that you?

On July 30 2014 09:59 Tehpoofter wrote:


First off I doubt the bolded is a real word.

2nd) It honestly was a typo that I noticed afterwards. Kinda cool that it looked like a breadcrumb (it probably was and this is me just trying to not die)

C) I feel like the way that you reacted to it was weird like you were wanting to let us know you're paying attention.

You're a slippery one lilwade. What is your mafia experience?

On July 30 2014 10:15 Tehpoofter wrote:


Fair enough. What do you think of Teemu? and if I'm wrong on one of my marry or bangs who do you think it is?

On July 30 2014 10:19 Tehpoofter wrote:


Can you read RomanNumeralGuy? I'm kinda regretting banging him atm

On July 31 2014 04:38 JennyHell wrote:
O lilwade, lilwade! wherefore art thou lilwade?

Seriously, where are you and give us more to go from, because you're looking mighty fine to be among the top scum right now.

On July 30 2014 15:30 Teemursu wrote:


Why?

On July 31 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote:
I'm currently trying to go through it all again, seeing if there are groups formed somewhere. It's extremely difficult but I have some groups already in my head, I'll bring them up in another post.

To answer GB. My current 2 top scum is lilwade and DC, They were both active from the start but have fallen off. My guess, new players to mafia doesn't want to draw too much attention to themselves so they're trying to coast along without disagreeing too much with other people, which is what lilwade was doing with almost apologizing for his reads and I don't want use the word sheeping but agreeing with others reads without bringing much to the table himself. DC's reads have been fuller and more to point, "better"? if you will, than lilwade's, but I dislike his sudden lack of activity and hope he will chime in soon.

If I were to give a third it'd be meatpudding, for barely being here at all and the time he was here he didn't give much.

On July 31 2014 05:11 Teemursu wrote:

Morning!

Once you catch up, I would love to hear your updated read on Poofter and anything I've said today.

On July 31 2014 06:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Yes.

Rule 1: you do NOT talk about who you think are blues.

Rule 2: blues are just town with special powers, don't treat them as anything other than VT if you got that role, because the only thing shit like lurking does is give you away to mafia, and make you seem scummier to town.

Rule 3: you do NOT talk about who you think are blues.

On July 31 2014 06:39 lilwade wrote:

leaning town

On July 31 2014 07:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Why aren't you voting meatpudding?
Why aren't people voting meatpudding?

On July 30 2014 04:28 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey y'all I'm awake and town! So that's good.

Still heavily sick with the flu though.

Also so far reading into the game I don't trust Teemu....

On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote:

I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far!

Are you his partner Jenny? :o

On July 30 2014 05:02 Seeyalater wrote:

He was my top scum, but that was my 1st initial read, its not enough to say that he's mafia yet. Just that I don't really trust what he said. Maybe your definition of scum is different to my definition, but just because I call him scum doesn't mean I actually think he's mafia yet.

On July 30 2014 10:02 Seeyalater wrote:
So my updated are-


1. GlowingBear- Leaning town so far for me, has been making decent points throughout the thread, however as others have said they seem to lack clear thoughts on what he himself is thinking. Townie enough in my book.

2. Teemursu- Very empty posts, not much substance to them, seems somewhat disinterested in the game, even though he has been posting a lot. Heavily mafia leaning.
3. DCLXVI
4. meatpudding-Afk policy lynch

5. JennyHell- Strong posts with a lot of substance to them. Any time someone asks a question to her she responds in well thought out posts, and also gives her insight a lot when others give their thoughts about the game. Top town.

6. lilwade- Much like Teemu, a good amount of points but not a lot of substance to most of them, if any at all. Another Mafia leaning player.

7. Tehpoofter- Lots of posts, good input, "friendly" demeanor, gives off a huge townie vibe. Almost too huge. Townie for today, might reevaluate further as game goes on so I don't find myself comfortably in his pocket. Although I'm probably just being extremely paranoid.

8. Lord Tolkien- In his first real post, he had more input and reasoning thrown in then all of Teemu's and lilwade's posts combined. I also liked his first post, even if it was odd. Hopefully he stays active and brings more input into the game before today ends.

9. Seeyalater- A fine townie chap who has been very active since waking up today. Doesn't have a way with words but he posts his thoughts often!

On July 30 2014 15:07 Seeyalater wrote:
This will be my last post for the next 10 hours or so since I'm off to bed, so I'll try to make it a meaningful one.

I'm sorry ahead of time that my formatting WILL suck.



In short, to me this case study either proves to me that you are not paying much attention to both what others and YOU have said, but now it feels like you are just trying to lead town in a bad direction with your misinformation.

Now as for you Teemu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=17#334,

I'll agree with you on some things, like about some of my opinions being shared by others before me, but in that case, is it really that odd to agree with the majority on certain actions? I like to sound off on every post as much as possible, and what I think of content of said post, and hey guess what, that will usually align with what others are saying if its fairly obvious stuff.

Also how is making an early list of reads odd, specially in a forum game, just to show everyone where I am at at the moment? I wasn't even the first person to do so, how come you only came at me about that. Its a great way as town to communicate to each other where we stand with each other. In fact, you're the only one who has brought this up as scummy in your book. And who said anything about them being good reads? They were my early game-what has happened so far- reads, no where did I imply they were good reads at all.

Also your point about last game seems odd to me, mostly because I wasn't in on it, but why bring it up at that moment? Nothing major just a small thing that seemed weird to me. As for the how odd... You'll notice I say a lot of things are odd, just because other people use said word. Is that something I need to change in order to come off as less scummy? Probably, but that's just how it is.

To me teemu, now it just seems now that people have started to give you flak and see past your friendly demeanor, you've just thrown scum at others who have called you mafia.

I have not seen you, since you woke up a while back, even talk about other people in the game, such as Lord Tolkien or Jenny.

Speaking of those 2, I know right now its night time for her, and hopefully Tolkien chimes in while I'm ResidentSleeper, I'd like to hear from them in the next coming hours about where they are in the game, since right now they are my top 2 town(again this can change at a moments whim, but for now it stays that way).

As for the other people, I still think Poofter is town enough for today, some decent meat to his posts, Roman numerals I'm also ok with for now(though less than Poofter) because he seems to also want to push others to elaborate on their current standings.

Meatpudding still afk so nothing changes on that.

Lilwade has also really not contributed at all in a long time, so I'll be fine with lynching him as well if he doesn't become more active tomorrow, however of the people actually posting my top 2 scum are-

GB for that long post "case" study- normally I'd be fine with posts being analized in depth even if they are on me so I can see his insight into things, but many things about his study were really off, such as him saying Jenny defended me from an accusation he never accused me of in the first place, when she was only trying to defend herself from the accusation he made at her, never at me. Also in another post about her "defending" me, my reply to his accusation was directly posted below hers, less than 1 minute apart. It just seems like he is trying to throw scum to move town in a bad way with all that misinformation, and he's been throwing scum not just on me, but on my top town, and someone who is also very townie for others, trying to create chaos.

And my top scum so far Teemu- I've also explained this in detail before in this post, but I still don't see too much info to his posts other than just trying to make others look scummier than him. I still don't even know where he stands on most of the town, specially the people I see as town. Now my initial read on him as scum was a really early initial read, but it has slowly evolved into something more substantial. In your last few posts, nothing you have said has really come off to me as townie. Now your old friendly demeanor has evolved into a more nasty, two sided demeanor, where you're all Tee-hee! in your posts, but they seem coated in venom.


As for who I'd vote, I'm still holding to my policy lynch for meatpudding and possibly Lilwade, but if those 2 become more active, and unless they seem genuinely town, my top 2 lynch are 1st- Teemu, followed by GB.

On July 31 2014 09:11 Seeyalater wrote:
I'll agree that Teemu is basically off the table for today, even if a few of us find him scummy. Would rather have a talkative scum that might be able to convince me he's town that one who doesn't talk at all.

On July 31 2014 10:18 JennyHell wrote:
Lilwade, glad you're showing yourself a bit more after being voted on.
You mentioned how you feel about Seeya and the things he did.

How do you feel about Meatpudding, Poofter and GB?

On July 31 2014 12:50 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Well I'm back.

Since it appears lilwade is not being lynched today, I'll do what I was planning on doing anyways.

#Vote meatpudding

This is very tentative however as I still need to read up whatever's happened since I last posted.

On July 31 2014 13:04 Teemursu wrote:

How come?

On July 31 2014 17:40 Tehpoofter wrote:



A solid reads list would be awesome with thought out reasons.

On July 31 2014 17:36 JennyHell wrote:


Where am I at, eh?

For today, my bangs are as follow:
GB
Seeya
Tolkien
Teemu

My marry is:

Poofter/Banks/Hubby/Rhianna/Robin
(He's got many wonderful nicknames)

My kills are:

DC
Meatpuppy/pudding whatever the name was
lilwade

I was asked to re-think lilwade and I've started to doubt my scumread on him due to people convincing me to. He's my least scummiest out of the kills.

Do I need to re-tell all my reasons or is the names enough?

On July 31 2014 18:11 Teemursu wrote:
How much time do we have until EOD? Like four hours?

On July 31 2014 18:19 Tehpoofter wrote:


Who is clockwork???????????????????????????????????????

On July 31 2014 18:24 Tehpoofter wrote:


Oh why use his fake name?

On July 31 2014 17:45 JennyHell wrote:


Did not like the bolded comment. It's D1, if he is a town role I'd much rather he didn't claim it and instead fought for his life normally. We don't need to hand the town roles to the mafia scumbags to kill before we and the roles get something out of it.


Other than that, I'm really starting to like what you're bringing to the table, lilwade. Way to improve!

On August 01 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
HAI GUYS I'm here.

On August 01 2014 05:26 Tehpoofter wrote:


Whalecum*

On August 01 2014 06:38 Tehpoofter wrote:


You're whalecum!

I'll have to hum it tonight on team speak. The video is just too good!

On August 01 2014 08:38 JennyHell wrote:


Hate to break it to you, no matter how strong of a read you have, noone is actually confirmed this or that before they are flipped. Just saying..

On August 01 2014 11:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Anybody there?

On August 02 2014 00:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm lynching meatpudding today. I don't care. If you don't have questions for me, see you in 48 hours

On August 02 2014 01:03 GlowingBear wrote:


Tell me what you don't like. I highly doubt meatpudding isn't scum. Everything points to him.

On August 02 2014 08:52 Tehpoofter wrote:


Lil'Quiet - You've been doing things that show you know the game but haven't made me feel you ooze town


I feel like day one you tried to buddy up to me... while I like friends I like friends that want to be my friend for a good reason. I feel like your read on me was a bit premature maybe you just had a good beat and went with it. I've been there before but it felt kinda like a mafia buddying up to me.

Also your vote on RNG guy came early with me but I didn't feel like you were pushing for him to really go away. Like you were sitting your vote there almost to keep the blood off your hands if MeatPretzel got lynched. I think that you were in the right and your reads seem okay but I'd Like to see you out here pushing more on them really trying to steer town in the direction they're suppose to go.

I think that if you continue to stay sorta in the shadows you get more and more mafia. I think mafia could easily lynch onto me and keep me alive knowing that you can just feed off me and sheep my reads and by agreeing and being my "yes man" stab me in the back. This is over generalizing and I don't think you've been doing this all game but I want it to be known.

Can you tell me who I should filter dive first? Who would you think is the scummiest townie? And why do you read them as such?

On August 03 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:


Vote count was confusing. I thought I hammered. You thought I hammered. Why is it okay to be confused about it but not me? I realise he is second, but the fact that I'm first means you're not reading me well. Killing me will delay the game. I've already exposed my motivations so is up to you if you believed in it or not. Hint: I'm speaking the truth.

On August 03 2014 15:39 Teemursu wrote:

mehhh


I can totes see 666 push on GB for not voting, and then lilwade following that up by kinda casting suspicion



This is kind of an interesting post. He hadn't talked or interacted with 666 at all until this point (well, besides the very first post), and I'm not sure hwy he switched from town to leaning mafia, really. Does anyone remember, if people were starting to cast suspicion on 666 at this point?



Wait, wait, why did you have him as town in the first place then?



You're reading someone town for talking about easy mechanics, kinda suspicious.



aaand then you put him as your top town..? While he had only one post as contribution before this, and THAT wasn't the post that sold Tolkien as town?



This is the exact same agenda that 666 was pushing forward.





Kinda flip floppy, could you explain your reasons?

Anyway, other posts by lilwayne were okay (posting reads etc or trolling/filler, which is less okay). I thought when people were saying that lilwayne was the first one to make a major push/case on 666 and I then because of it thought lilwayne was like some town god or something, but I've expressed my slight concerns about him above.

On August 05 2014 17:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
bleh. I'm like super convinced I'm right.

##unvote

cause if im wrong I'll be the worst ever.

On August 06 2014 11:52 GlowingBear wrote:
LILWADE, I want you explain me this. Check what I put on red.





I really need you to explain that.

Poof, notice what I kept on red on second quote. He is buddying up with cya. Supports my theory.

The guy isn't even here to help us with the lynch.

I'll ask again: check his filters, a lot of null reads throughout the entire game. He starts agressive with poof, then easily unvotes and gives poof a townpass, sheeps poof and doesn't change vote on a possible mafia partner because he couldn't get the hammer off anyway, the he goes COMPLETELY passive. A LOT of null reads. Like the one I've just quoted, or this one, with a translation by me:
+ Show Spoiler +
"Nobody is mafia, nobody is town, and if you're reading me as mafia you're doing it wrong. I'll show I'm good at day2 if you let me live. I'm still charging solar beam lol"

On August 06 2014 13:37 GlowingBear wrote:
.:Consolidating My Scumread on Lilwade:.

Anyone can dive his filter and get the same idea I get from him: he mostly lurked, did not contribute and posted a lot of null reads.

I'll take a single post of him that will say a lot. He basically says that (i) jenny and poof is town (remember that he started the game with a short push on poof and suddenly unvoted him and gave him a free town pass very earlier in the game and for no solid motive); (ii) meatpudding looks scummy but he doesn't really know, he will see what happens day 2 and (iii) rest of people are null reads. "You look scum but I don't know, gotta filter dive you". He said that a lot on his filter.
This is the post:



Ok, now take a look at the part I bolded in red.
Lilwade says this was a speculation. What kind of speculation is that? Why would someone speculate a player is a godfather instead of simply implying he is mafia?
ONLY a cop would have this kind of doubt. That is if he already got a green check. So this could be lilwade hinting that he is a cop and that he got a green check on meatpudding.
BUT HE DID THAT ON NIGHT1! Why taking the risk of dying night one to say that, if he was a blue? He would only do that knowing he wouldn't die. Only mafia knows that.

Odd enough? He starts the Day3 saying that he (A) Copchecked TEEMU night 1 and (B) Copchecked SEEYALATER night 2.

Wait a minute, he just hinted he copchecked meatpudding night 1 on the post I've quoted. Which actually makes sense, meatpudding was the second wagon day1 and was probably going to get lynched day 2. But now he says he copchecked Teemu. TEEMU? Why?

He is at least LYING about who he copchecked. Copchecking teemu makes no sense. Hinting he copchecked meatpudding at night makes no sense. Speculating meatpudding is godfather instead of simply mafia makes no sense.

Oh, you think it's not enough? So why don't you check his lack of contribution troughout the game, specially day 3, crucial to town? He is not even trying to catch scum. Also, lilwade isn't even trying to tell WHY I am mafia. He is just jumping on the wagon because, well, I'm pushing him and whatever if I die, everybody is thinking he is cop and he will get a VT mislynched.