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Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 07 2014 22:34 GMT
#1484
On August 08 2014 07:06 Seeyalater wrote:
Alright put your dongers down. And I don't want to speak preemptively before Tolk comes in, but I think its a safe bet, unless you pocketed everyone since day 1(which you could but at this point I have to make a concise answer), I would be pretty sure right now, that yes voting for Tolk with me would lead to town win.

But then if you win we have no chance of you breaking your headset for losing in top 3 again. D:


No headset at work.

I just don't want to lose. I was too passive on meat's lynch. I expected to die n2 I'm really unsure who benefited from Teemu kill and why it was such a weird ass kill.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 07 2014 23:47 GMT
#1488
On August 08 2014 08:46 Seeyalater wrote:
Aww fuck my damned work computer deleted a big post I had, let me try to recollect my thoughts. >_<


That sucks.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 07 2014 23:47 GMT
#1489
On August 08 2014 08:03 Seeyalater wrote:
I think they might have guessed Teemu might have been the cop, since he almost completely changed his read on me d2(from leading mafia to leading town) and he made a few posts about blue roles and stuff.


Meh he softed medic more than cop tbh.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 07 2014 23:47 GMT
#1490
On August 08 2014 07:43 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Online and reviewing filters, news at 11.


Good News or Bad News.... Bad News first.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 07 2014 23:48 GMT
#1491
Oh Btw I'm town. I don't know if I had said that before. If the other town could claim I think this is auto. Is that right?
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 00:55 GMT
#1499
On August 08 2014 09:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2014 15:58 Seeyalater wrote:
What do I mean by my eyes have opened? Holy shit, I don't know how Tolkien has been so town for me this far.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=67#1321
Ok here is one of the biggest examples I found. He said that Jenny had Meat on her prime d2 wagon, and yet, what was one of the last things Jenny said? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=43#854
Exactly the opposite, in fact she was starting to doubt MP was a mafia after seeing so many people push on him.

Hum, you're right. I missed that corollary post when I got sidetracked by GB's confusion about the D1 vote. All I remembered about Jenny was her last reads list that night.

Show nested quote +
Then we N1, where Poofter and Jenny were joking with each other about their "wedding" and the soft role claims. Which if he was mafia, maybe that's another reason Jenny died D1, because since she was so towny, she almost seemed like she coulda have had more info(like cop check), and then Tolk coulda killed her because of this, hoping to hit a power role. Then not much later on- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=988&topic_id=462654 which as Poof later pointed out, could have been a ploy to deflect scum being thrown on to him.

wat. It was N1, how could she have more information D1/N1? I am confused.

Again, I hate NK analysis as it's 90% speculation, but if it floats your boat.

Show nested quote +
Also notice how most of day 1, he didn't really mention clockwork at all until the push on him with Poofter and Jenny started to happen, which was at that point where he switched his thoughts.

Also, notice how Clock never even mentioned Tolk at all while he was still alive.

You are correct. I didn't see much of a reason to look at DC in my brief 1st half D1 lookthrough. Again, very limited time, and my filter D1 is wafer thin in terms of post count to reflect that. I at the time had a null read on him, and I didn't feel I had anything remarkable to say about him. Or Teemu at the time, I think.


Show nested quote +
And then while filter diving you I realize that yes, your formatting d1 was wrong but somehow the mod allowed it to count, but told me mine wasn't. However, your reaction to me asking you about this was real bad. Also, GB pointed out it was formatted incorrectly as well right below your post.

These are just after some filter dives, so basically what I'm trying to say, is no one should be off the table for tomorrow.

I still don't know why that's important (like seriously)? But ok.


Why did you think I was solid town anyways? You and others were pegging me for it and I wouldn't have in your position.

In any event, the question you should be asking in LYLO is: 1) how does this make me scum, and 2) is Poofter scum?

I'm growing fairly certain Poofter is more likely scum than you for now, but I'll do my best to convince you that I'm town like I really am.


If you had to say who put in the most effort this game... Who really tried the most out of everyone. Who was trying to scum hunt. Name the top 3 names.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 00:57 GMT
#1500
On August 08 2014 09:37 Seeyalater wrote:
Ok, so what I wanted to say earlier was, when I talked about Teemu seeing me as town after having me maf most of early day 1- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?user=Teemursu&page=12


Now as to why kill teemu? Aside from his weird blue role softing, lets look at this post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=37#731 Teemu also noticed like I did earlier that Clock had ZERO interactions with Tolkien, when he had at least small ones with every one else.

We also have this other teemu post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=47#922 where he joked about Tolkien being mafia with perfect information. This was back when everyone had tolk town, maybe he was worried about Teemu flipping and that's why he killed him before he had a chance to?


Your effort today is really good.

Why did Tolkien vote on DC day one if hes mafia?
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 00:58 GMT
#1501
On August 08 2014 09:51 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Poofter, speak up.

I want to hear what you have to say.


Hai! I'm town you're voting to lose the game for town so you shouldn't. Answer my question about who has cared about the game the most.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:00 GMT
#1503
On August 06 2014 07:04 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 06:34 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 06 2014 06:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On August 06 2014 06:23 Tehpoofter wrote:
On August 06 2014 05:29 Lord Tolkien wrote:
cya: VT
Me: VT
lilwade: cop


I'm vigi.

And you havent shot anyone yet?

lelelelel

Wait, are you being serious here? Because if you are, this changes EVERYTHING, everything, and means it's highly likely that the last scum is godfather, and for cya to be godfather. Which invalidates EVERYTHING. O_o


If you believed his claim, you are voting on me not even knowing why. I doubt you filter dived me before voting on me. I'm starting to believe you're likely to be mafia.

If I have to choose between you and Banks right now, I'd vote on you. That's the issue. Who is more likely to be scum in my eyes? You.


If Banks is actually claiming vigi (if he's fakeclaiming, he's is stupid), then that opens up cya as mafia godfather, because with 2 blue roles it makes no sense otherwise. In which case the game gets harder.

Do I believe that cya is godfather? Not really no. My read on him has actually been the only one that's been consistent this entire game, and lilwade's claim corroborates it. If the possibility of godfather goes up, then cya's position as confirmed town is much weaker for me. But right now?

You're more likely scum.

And yes, I believe the cop claim for now. He'll die tonight if he's cop, because mafia won't let him live till tomorrow. He's likely not VT because he's not stupid enough to fake-claim (I HOPE), and I'm fairly certain mafia won't claim tonight; mafia would much rather claim LYLO.


The vigi claim is blowing my mind though. Like wat.



This post really hit me when re-reading tolkien's filter last night and is the first thing I want to bring into light. Tolkien says here for the first time about cya might be godfather ONLY because I claimed. I think it really did mess him up cause even if seeya and lilwade are confirmed as mafia he can still win but THEN when I claim vigi he suddenly realizes "OH SHIT HOW CAN I WIN NOW IM GOING TO BE POE?!!!?!?!?!!?"

This is a paniced mafia post imo. I glazed over it that day cause I was too drawn onto seeya. But this post howls.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:00 GMT
#1504
On August 08 2014 10:00 Seeyalater wrote:
See, Ya, and Later!?


Thats a shit answer and you know it. give your real 3.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:02 GMT
#1505
Mine would be Jenny > Myself > Glowingbear. GB really was putting forth the effort and slamming it home. I think those are the top 3 in my honest opinion.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:03 GMT
#1506
Tolkien your case is bad. ITs that you think DC was bused so he just went to bed and since I'm the only one left I must be mafia. lol.

I dare you to point out on which day I wasn't openly hunting scum or at what point I did something to further the mafia win condition. Go for it!
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:10 GMT
#1508
On August 08 2014 10:08 Seeyalater wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 10:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
On August 08 2014 10:00 Seeyalater wrote:
See, Ya, and Later!?


Thats a shit answer and you know it. give your real 3.

Fine. Jenny>you(I GUESS)> GB. However on GB, although he put a lot of effort at the end of the game, it was really bad haha. Although I guess I can't talk too much about that since I'm terrible at this too. That does not mean I would say I wasn't active at all, in fact even if you think its dumb/donkey info, I've been here a lot and putting effort.


Good list. Are you the godfather? You can be honest I promise to let you win either way I just need to know.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:16 GMT
#1509
On August 08 2014 10:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 10:08 Seeyalater wrote:
On August 08 2014 10:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
On August 08 2014 10:00 Seeyalater wrote:
See, Ya, and Later!?


Thats a shit answer and you know it. give your real 3.

Fine. Jenny>you(I GUESS)> GB. However on GB, although he put a lot of effort at the end of the game, it was really bad haha. Although I guess I can't talk too much about that since I'm terrible at this too. That does not mean I would say I wasn't active at all, in fact even if you think its dumb/donkey info, I've been here a lot and putting effort.


Good list. Are you the godfather? You can be honest I promise to let you win either way I just need to know.


Leaving me hanging
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:31 GMT
#1511
Also explain to me why I didn't switch off DC and why I pushed for his lynch? Why am I busing so hard day 1? Do you think I was intentionally making the game super hard on myself? Like why would I do that.

Why wouldn't I take the easy move off DC that I could have done naturally based on a post where I said something about moving to Meat anyways.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:32 GMT
#1512
On August 08 2014 10:27 Seeyalater wrote:
I was going back home from work. And no for the last time, 1. Im not the godfather 2. Why would there be one with only cop as town power role!?


Thanks I believe you.

The last mafia is Lord Tolkien You played a good lurk mafia game.

##Vote Lord Tolkien
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:53 GMT
#1515
On August 08 2014 10:34 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 09:55 Tehpoofter wrote:
On August 08 2014 09:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On August 07 2014 15:58 Seeyalater wrote:
What do I mean by my eyes have opened? Holy shit, I don't know how Tolkien has been so town for me this far.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=67#1321
Ok here is one of the biggest examples I found. He said that Jenny had Meat on her prime d2 wagon, and yet, what was one of the last things Jenny said? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=43#854
Exactly the opposite, in fact she was starting to doubt MP was a mafia after seeing so many people push on him.

Hum, you're right. I missed that corollary post when I got sidetracked by GB's confusion about the D1 vote. All I remembered about Jenny was her last reads list that night.

Then we N1, where Poofter and Jenny were joking with each other about their "wedding" and the soft role claims. Which if he was mafia, maybe that's another reason Jenny died D1, because since she was so towny, she almost seemed like she coulda have had more info(like cop check), and then Tolk coulda killed her because of this, hoping to hit a power role. Then not much later on- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=988&topic_id=462654 which as Poof later pointed out, could have been a ploy to deflect scum being thrown on to him.

wat. It was N1, how could she have more information D1/N1? I am confused.

Again, I hate NK analysis as it's 90% speculation, but if it floats your boat.

Also notice how most of day 1, he didn't really mention clockwork at all until the push on him with Poofter and Jenny started to happen, which was at that point where he switched his thoughts.

Also, notice how Clock never even mentioned Tolk at all while he was still alive.

You are correct. I didn't see much of a reason to look at DC in my brief 1st half D1 lookthrough. Again, very limited time, and my filter D1 is wafer thin in terms of post count to reflect that. I at the time had a null read on him, and I didn't feel I had anything remarkable to say about him. Or Teemu at the time, I think.


And then while filter diving you I realize that yes, your formatting d1 was wrong but somehow the mod allowed it to count, but told me mine wasn't. However, your reaction to me asking you about this was real bad. Also, GB pointed out it was formatted incorrectly as well right below your post.

These are just after some filter dives, so basically what I'm trying to say, is no one should be off the table for tomorrow.

I still don't know why that's important (like seriously)? But ok.


Why did you think I was solid town anyways? You and others were pegging me for it and I wouldn't have in your position.

In any event, the question you should be asking in LYLO is: 1) how does this make me scum, and 2) is Poofter scum?

I'm growing fairly certain Poofter is more likely scum than you for now, but I'll do my best to convince you that I'm town like I really am.


If you had to say who put in the most effort this game... Who really tried the most out of everyone. Who was trying to scum hunt. Name the top 3 names.

In no particular order, Glowing (judging mostly on his D3 and was why I was willing to give him a chance at living, his D2 was fucking terrible), Jenny (before she died), and (currently) seeya. OVERALL, I can replace seeya with you. And I could replace Jenny with me considering she died prematurely. But in any event, mafia can post frequently; there's no rule to say that mafia doesn't put in as much effort into posting as town does.

You have had your moments. Your D1/N1 filter was fucking massive (though probably 50%+ fluff), but past that you've been pretty...meh. I'll be honest, you haven't been pushing for much at all past D1. D2 you make a bunch of "here's why everyone else is mafia" posts but...I'll be honest, it wasn't very effective if you're town. I think someone else mentioned it back then, but reviewing it from a mafia point of view, it's a way of contributing without actually pushing a bandwagon, per se.

You were going to push a D3 bandwagon onto Seeya, and you were waffling as to whether to drop it after lilwade's claim, and pushed Glowing afterwards. Still, you maintained that seeya was most likely godfather and didn't press it despite the opportunity opening up (then again, you may have been asleep, that happens I guess).

Perhaps I'm second-guessing you much harder than I am seeya specifically because you were hyped up to be a great player and are still living.


As for the whole you claiming blue thing: I was mostly considering possible role balance. If town had 2 power roles, it would almost guarantee a godfather in the game and basically render lilwade's claim+check irrelevant D3. In which case, seeya would've been a relevant lynch candidate D3 for me early D3. I supported GlowingBear in his seeya lynch D3, but mostly because I got the feeling that Glowing was really, REALLY town after how desperate his posts sounded and how much he was arguing with me. If I had to choose at that point, I'dve rather seen you go than Glowing (complete opposite situation with D2, ironically) at the time.



I know I had a large filter and I'm going to be honest I was hoping to coach this game but put a replacement in because there wasn't one and newbie games almost always have a mod kill (we got lucky this game.) I also was playing because Jenny/Teemu/Seeya were all playing and I talked them into it. I'm going to be real if I was mafia I never kill Jenny cause I would have continued with the banter and taken a decent amount of joy in tricking her.

I also as you recall was BEGGING the medic to save her the whole night I made several posts about how I was medic and Jenny is safe yadda yadda. I wanted the mafia to believe me or at least let her play more since it was her first game and she seemed to be enjoying the game. Such a silly play and so super meta if I'm mafia.

Your case on me is never going to hold water.

I believed in my read on seeya Id have lynched him without the cop claim (sorry seeya) but he has since stepped up his game a large amount adn seems more invested also the information from the cop helps a tremendous amount.

I'm good at video mafia forum mafia I'm still relatively new maybe 15 games under my belt and honestly not the best finding mafia rate I think this is one of the first games an early scum read of mine has flipped red so I'm really happy about the way it turned out.

If you're town Tolkien your job from this point forward is to convince me seeya is the godfather and why thats the case. (I don't think it is) I'm literally never mafia in this case EVER. Your case is non-substantiated. Feel free to talk with me more if you'd like and you're town and I'll convince you to unvote. If you're the mafia your only winning play is to try to convince me its seeya cause I have so much evidence I'M town its unreal and you won't be able to convince anyone falsely I'm mafia.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:55 GMT
#1516
On August 08 2014 10:36 Seeyalater wrote:
Ok I have a question for you then. How are you so sure I'm the last town then? You said you were reevaluating, but what exactly led you to believe me over him?


The filter dive really led me too it. I noticed that al ot of the things you have done are more likely to fall into the "too scummy to be scum" category. Also Tolkien's filter is full of a lot of fishy stuff like I pointed out with the vigi claim. Your effort seems to be real this game to me you seem to be evaluating things properly.

You also were green checked by a cop and if the setup was 1 cop 1 godfather thats pretty poorly balanced as cop at that point is merely a "hope you hit Haru" person.

Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 01:56 GMT
#1517
On August 08 2014 10:55 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 10:36 Seeyalater wrote:
Ok I have a question for you then. How are you so sure I'm the last town then? You said you were reevaluating, but what exactly led you to believe me over him?


The filter dive really led me too it. I noticed that al ot of the things you have done are more likely to fall into the "too scummy to be scum" category. Also Tolkien's filter is full of a lot of fishy stuff like I pointed out with the vigi claim. Your effort seems to be real this game to me you seem to be evaluating things properly.

You also were green checked by a cop and if the setup was 1 cop 1 godfather thats pretty poorly balanced as cop at that point is merely a "hope you hit Haru" person.




Hit enter to fast ....."thats pretty poorly balanced as cop at that point is merely a "hope you hit the 1 scum" person and Haru is kinda a jerk for making that the setup.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 08 2014 02:48 GMT
#1518
Yo seeya/ LT this isn't the time to not talk one of you is town (I think seeya) lets go at it lets fight lets have real time convos posts back and forth and shit. (I say this knowing full well in 1 hour I'll be bailing to go home but still
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