Newbie Mini Mafia LVII - Page 15

On August 08 2014 07:06 Seeyalater wrote:
Alright put your dongers down. And I don't want to speak preemptively before Tolk comes in, but I think its a safe bet, unless you pocketed everyone since day 1(which you could but at this point I have to make a concise answer), I would be pretty sure right now, that yes voting for Tolk with me would lead to town win.

But then if you win we have no chance of you breaking your headset for losing in top 3 again. D:

On August 08 2014 08:46 Seeyalater wrote:
Aww fuck my damned work computer deleted a big post I had, let me try to recollect my thoughts. >_<

On August 08 2014 08:03 Seeyalater wrote:
I think they might have guessed Teemu might have been the cop, since he almost completely changed his read on me d2(from leading mafia to leading town) and he made a few posts about blue roles and stuff.

On August 08 2014 07:43 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Online and reviewing filters, news at 11.

On August 08 2014 09:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Hum, you're right. I missed that corollary post when I got sidetracked by GB's confusion about the D1 vote. All I remembered about Jenny was her last reads list that night.


wat. It was N1, how could she have more information D1/N1? I am confused.

Again, I hate NK analysis as it's 90% speculation, but if it floats your boat.


You are correct. I didn't see much of a reason to look at DC in my brief 1st half D1 lookthrough. Again, very limited time, and my filter D1 is wafer thin in terms of post count to reflect that. I at the time had a null read on him, and I didn't feel I had anything remarkable to say about him. Or Teemu at the time, I think.



I still don't know why that's important (like seriously)? But ok.


Why did you think I was solid town anyways? You and others were pegging me for it and I wouldn't have in your position.

In any event, the question you should be asking in LYLO is: 1) how does this make me scum, and 2) is Poofter scum?

I'm growing fairly certain Poofter is more likely scum than you for now, but I'll do my best to convince you that I'm town like I really am.

On August 08 2014 09:37 Seeyalater wrote:
Ok, so what I wanted to say earlier was, when I talked about Teemu seeing me as town after having me maf most of early day 1- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?user=Teemursu&page=12


Now as to why kill teemu? Aside from his weird blue role softing, lets look at this post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=37#731 Teemu also noticed like I did earlier that Clock had ZERO interactions with Tolkien, when he had at least small ones with every one else.

We also have this other teemu post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=47#922 where he joked about Tolkien being mafia with perfect information. This was back when everyone had tolk town, maybe he was worried about Teemu flipping and that's why he killed him before he had a chance to?

On August 08 2014 09:51 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Poofter, speak up.

I want to hear what you have to say.

On August 06 2014 07:04 Lord Tolkien wrote:

If I have to choose between you and Banks right now, I'd vote on you. That's the issue. Who is more likely to be scum in my eyes? You.


If Banks is actually claiming vigi (if he's fakeclaiming, he's is stupid), then that opens up cya as mafia godfather, because with 2 blue roles it makes no sense otherwise. In which case the game gets harder.

Do I believe that cya is godfather? Not really no. My read on him has actually been the only one that's been consistent this entire game, and lilwade's claim corroborates it. If the possibility of godfather goes up, then cya's position as confirmed town is much weaker for me. But right now?

You're more likely scum.

And yes, I believe the cop claim for now. He'll die tonight if he's cop, because mafia won't let him live till tomorrow. He's likely not VT because he's not stupid enough to fake-claim (I HOPE), and I'm fairly certain mafia won't claim tonight; mafia would much rather claim LYLO.


The vigi claim is blowing my mind though. Like wat.

On August 08 2014 10:00 Seeyalater wrote:
See, Ya, and Later!?

On August 08 2014 10:08 Seeyalater wrote:

Fine. Jenny>you(I GUESS)> GB. However on GB, although he put a lot of effort at the end of the game, it was really bad haha. Although I guess I can't talk too much about that since I'm terrible at this too. That does not mean I would say I wasn't active at all, in fact even if you think its dumb/donkey info, I've been here a lot and putting effort.

On August 08 2014 10:10 Tehpoofter wrote:


Good list. Are you the godfather? You can be honest I promise to let you win either way I just need to know.

On August 08 2014 10:27 Seeyalater wrote:
I was going back home from work. And no for the last time, 1. Im not the godfather 2. Why would there be one with only cop as town power role!?

On August 08 2014 10:34 Lord Tolkien wrote:

In no particular order, Glowing (judging mostly on his D3 and was why I was willing to give him a chance at living, his D2 was fucking terrible), Jenny (before she died), and (currently) seeya. OVERALL, I can replace seeya with you. And I could replace Jenny with me considering she died prematurely. But in any event, mafia can post frequently; there's no rule to say that mafia doesn't put in as much effort into posting as town does.

You have had your moments. Your D1/N1 filter was fucking massive (though probably 50%+ fluff), but past that you've been pretty...meh. I'll be honest, you haven't been pushing for much at all past D1. D2 you make a bunch of "here's why everyone else is mafia" posts but...I'll be honest, it wasn't very effective if you're town. I think someone else mentioned it back then, but reviewing it from a mafia point of view, it's a way of contributing without actually pushing a bandwagon, per se.

You were going to push a D3 bandwagon onto Seeya, and you were waffling as to whether to drop it after lilwade's claim, and pushed Glowing afterwards. Still, you maintained that seeya was most likely godfather and didn't press it despite the opportunity opening up (then again, you may have been asleep, that happens I guess).

Perhaps I'm second-guessing you much harder than I am seeya specifically because you were hyped up to be a great player and are still living.


As for the whole you claiming blue thing: I was mostly considering possible role balance. If town had 2 power roles, it would almost guarantee a godfather in the game and basically render lilwade's claim+check irrelevant D3. In which case, seeya would've been a relevant lynch candidate D3 for me early D3. I supported GlowingBear in his seeya lynch D3, but mostly because I got the feeling that Glowing was really, REALLY town after how desperate his posts sounded and how much he was arguing with me. If I had to choose at that point, I'dve rather seen you go than Glowing (complete opposite situation with D2, ironically) at the time.

On August 08 2014 10:36 Seeyalater wrote:
Ok I have a question for you then. How are you so sure I'm the last town then? You said you were reevaluating, but what exactly led you to believe me over him?

On August 08 2014 10:55 Tehpoofter wrote:


The filter dive really led me too it. I noticed that al ot of the things you have done are more likely to fall into the "too scummy to be scum" category. Also Tolkien's filter is full of a lot of fishy stuff like I pointed out with the vigi claim. Your effort seems to be real this game to me you seem to be evaluating things properly.

You also were green checked by a cop and if the setup was 1 cop 1 godfather thats pretty poorly balanced as cop at that point is merely a "hope you hit Haru" person.