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On July 22 2014 18:20 Forumite wrote:
Sounds like a tricky setup, especially for town. It´s easy for town to Duel other town, leading to a predetermined town lynch. Also, if you want someone to die you have to put yourself on the line, scary.
I think this is really easy for the town IF there are enough good players.
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this game is so bad if you happen to roll mafia.
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Is this full?
/in or /replace
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Food break.
Cava supertown
Vivax seems scummy
Sloosh town
Holyflare likely town
kush might be town
justanothertownie could be mafia
Palmar's reads are terrible
kush very likely town
Sloosh is supertown
Sloosh you're dumb Palmar's list is meaningless and dumb
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Palmar what's interesting in what Vivax has said so far?
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Damdred is most likely not mafia.
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On July 30 2014 23:25 Palmar wrote:
well rayn says my reads are terrible, and I'm confirmed town, so I'll just really be afk now.
no you need to answer why vivax' posts are interesting.
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On July 31 2014 00:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia. Oh, that is good to know. Why?
Because he always looks scummy. There is nothing he has said that makes him mafia. He is new (i think?) and i would think he would look REALLY scummy in case he actually was scum.
nvm i changed my mind you are probably town too.
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I also second "kill yamato" sentiment so far.
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Vivax just called 10 people "possibly scum". 
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On July 31 2014 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 00:35 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia. Oh, that is good to know. Why? Because he always looks scummy. There is nothing he has said that makes him mafia. He is new (i think?) and i would think he would look REALLY scummy in case he actually was scum. nvm i changed my mind you are probably town too. In other words he is null. Fine whatever, I will reserve further judgement until he posts some more.
No i really do think he is town. At least he has given some reads which i would not expect him to do as mafia regardless of Holyflare's & Vivax' alignments. That's not how i think new mafia would talk about the situation.
Do you think there is any way why Palmar as town calls Vivax town?
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Setup discussion is useless and boring. Scum want to discuss the setup because you don't need to actually say anything game related. That's why i originally scumread you.
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On July 31 2014 01:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Vivax just called 10 people "possibly scum". Show nested quote +Could be scum but how can I tell cause he's not playing: Yamato, sinani. MM1, fuba, goodkarma Do you have any way to exclude these guys from the scumpool or is the quoted comment just the useless remark it appears to be.
no but it does not mean they are scum. and there is no reason to talk about them. they will play when they will. if not we lynch them on D1.
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Although i kinda think sinani is town.
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On July 31 2014 00:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 00:35 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is most likely not mafia. Oh, that is good to know. Why? Because he always looks scummy. There is nothing he has said that makes him mafia. He is new (i think?) and i would think he would look REALLY scummy in case he actually was scum. nvm i changed my mind you are probably town too. In other words he is null. Fine whatever, I will reserve further judgement until he posts some more. No i really do think he is town. At least he has given some reads which i would not expect him to do as mafia regardless of Holyflare's & Vivax' alignments. That's not how i think new mafia would talk about the situation. Do you think there is any way why Palmar as town calls Vivax town? He should answer that question himself. It is not like he explained his reads in great detail so I don't really know. But he said he liked how Vivax was "fluidly" participating and he seemed to agree with his opinion on the set up discussion (even directed me to a post of Vivax).
JAT i don't like this answer because i asked YOU, right now, to answer this.
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On July 31 2014 01:33 slOosh wrote:
rayn, why do you think sinani town, and what do you think of JAT?
I think sinani would not goto "fuck you all - see you tomorrow" mode as mafia.
JAT would not call me scum as mafia.
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JAT why did you call Vivax out for his read on Damdred but not me?
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On July 31 2014 02:15 ritoky wrote:regardless of if his claim about having time is true or not, do you believe he would try that little as mafia?
yes. and only as mafia.
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On July 31 2014 02:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Damdred is town cause thats damdreds town play, i wouldnt go as far to say that rayn is super towny, but from my perspective the only reason your scumreading rayn is cause he defended damdred. I could be wrong on this but thats what i see. These are the reasons i think your scummy.
As for that game you linked, other town voted on BH as well, i even told people not to vote on him. Thats al im going to say on that matter.
Who are you talking to in this post?
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Hey Vivax why is marv town?
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On July 31 2014 02:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Damdred is town cause thats damdreds town play, i wouldnt go as far to say that rayn is super towny, but from my perspective the only reason your scumreading rayn is cause he defended damdred. I could be wrong on this but thats what i see. These are the reasons i think your scummy.
As for that game you linked, other town voted on BH as well, i even told people not to vote on him. Thats al im going to say on that matter. You are not reading the thread at all. That is not the reason I scumread rayn - I gave a reason for it and that was not it. I have no idea where you "see" that. Also I did not post this link that was Obi. If you are town please just read the thread before you post something.
+1
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Can we talk about people who are actually likely to be mafia?
marv tell those people JAT is town so everyone ca shut the fuck up.
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On July 31 2014 02:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we talk about people who are actually likely to be mafia?
marv tell those people JAT is town so everyone ca shut the fuck up. It would be appreciated if marv said anything at all.
Yeah that's true. That's why i asked why Vivax reads him as town.
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On July 31 2014 02:44 Vivax wrote:
I won't answer that question cause I don't read him as town, like you are implying cause I didn't put him into the list. He's null for the moment but did enough for me to not put him among the people not doing anything, and at least gave some opinions on the matters at hand, marv isn't the guy I feel confident reading early on anyway.
Yeah this is bad.
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You literally made a list where you call out possibly scum and lurkers who are also possibly scum. There is no reason marv should be on the "lurkers" list. None. If you make a list like you did you consider all the people and put them into categories.
Which means -> everyone not on that list are town for you because there is not another category possible.
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batsnacks should be bombed / lynched because as town he shoots people who are "annoying" and in this game he is the most annoying player so far.
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On July 31 2014 02:51 Holyflare wrote:
Why do people have wildly different reads on the people i think are town?
Jat, palmar, sloosh, obi probably bat being yolo towny (maybe forgetting someone prob not)
If you don't have those ppl as town you're probably mafia (tempted to throw damd in because everyone and their mother is calling him town when he doesn't even look close to it)
Palmar is not "definitely town". batsnacks decided to be annoying and should die because of it regardless of his alignment because i hate him for shooting me in the last game. also his behaviour makes no sense.
sloosh, cava, jat town - agreed.
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On July 31 2014 03:02 Holyflare wrote:
He looks so much like someone trying to make some kind of ridiculous play like his "i town read this guy pre game no matter what" it was retarded
He plays like the reason he shot me in the last game. townie? nope.
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On July 31 2014 03:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 02:51 Holyflare wrote:
Why do people have wildly different reads on the people i think are town?
Jat, palmar, sloosh, obi probably bat being yolo towny (maybe forgetting someone prob not)
If you don't have those ppl as town you're probably mafia (tempted to throw damd in because everyone and their mother is calling him town when he doesn't even look close to it) Palmar is not "definitely town". batsnacks decided to be annoying and should die because of it regardless of his alignment because i hate him for shooting me in the last game. also his behaviour makes no sense. sloosh, cava, jat town - agreed. Why are you not town reading palmar? His list wasn't awful - bar vivax but more importantly did you answer jat about why you made a terrible list post criticising palmar?
I read the thread and wrote down comments from good / bad posts. My list post was not terrible. Palmar's was, unless he call everyone else than his list town (mainly the vivax read). I can actually elaborate on what i said. Vivax called me mafia for my list post and then he made a list post where he does not single out a SINGLE townread - only 10 people who are "possibly mafia".
See the difference?
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On July 31 2014 03:05 Holyflare wrote:
Not really sure it's comparable to you :p
I was only dick to Koshi because he was dick to me.
I am always annoying, i know that. So are you. <3
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And i am not townreading Palmar because he could do the stuff he has done as scum aswell. I don't see the big townie mindset but if you do plz tell me.
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In case you haven't noticed i am calling you scum. I have no reason to push any duels until the last hours of D1. wtf is that shit Vivax?
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I am saying you are either afraid to put marv into your "contribute or die" pile or you are scum with him. I don't see any other reason to make the list you did and not include him, because he literally has not said anything worth anything.
Also can you answer JAT?
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On July 31 2014 03:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
ALL DUELS GO THROUGH THE DUELMASTER.
THIS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE.
fuck it i second this.
this is gonna be so good!
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I don't get lynched as town if i don't want to so go ahead Vivax.
Hope you're scum. <3
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does anyone know why vivax calls me mafia? i don't.
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tbh the only reason i am even playing mafia atm is because i got proven right of being right when i am town in the last game i played. not gonna explain shit because no time. you can go ahead and duel me whenever you want to and i don't even give a fuck because people are also dumb (and don't read the thread).
I'm just gonna tell who is mafia.
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On July 31 2014 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
If marv uses the excuse "i didn't want to die n0" should prob lynch him too. He's evolved scum play to actually call ppl mafia now so couple that excuse with if he leads good lynch targets etc. He said he's evolved to always lynch mafia when he's sure so hold him to that
I'll tell if he is scum or town on D1. Unless some retard duels before 20h into D1.
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On July 31 2014 03:57 Vivax wrote:You called me scum for no reason and HF town in my list post when everyone with a genuine mindset could see that what he was doing was scummy. Kush had a reaction to our exchange I would consider to be townie, cause he was the right things.
incorrect
Then you cowardly said I had 10 scumreads, no point behind it except malicious discrediting, especially after it turned out you had the same opinion as me on these guys, so no townie mindset behind that comment.
incorrect
Then you tried to blow me not including marv into something scummy when I delivered a reasonable explanation for it, and you only explained why it was supposed to be scummy when I forced you to do it. So no real intent in proving to the thread how that actually makes me scum.
incorrect
Overall malicious, dishonest play and a view of the game that doesn't reflect the right mindset.
meh.. words that mean nothing.
Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^
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Vivax regarding your point (1) you have no idea why i have called you scum or HF town so why are you saying i have no reason to do so? I just told HF i can explain every read of mine.
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On July 31 2014 04:06 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 03:57 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
again why am i scum? You called me scum for no reason and HF town in my list post when everyone with a genuine mindset could see that what he was doing was scummy. Kush had a reaction to our exchange I would consider to be townie, cause he was the right things. incorrect Then you cowardly said I had 10 scumreads, no point behind it except malicious discrediting, especially after it turned out you had the same opinion as me on these guys, so no townie mindset behind that comment. incorrect Then you tried to blow me not including marv into something scummy when I delivered a reasonable explanation for it, and you only explained why it was supposed to be scummy when I forced you to do it. So no real intent in proving to the thread how that actually makes me scum. incorrect Overall malicious, dishonest play and a view of the game that doesn't reflect the right mindset. meh.. words that mean nothing. Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^ This is not how to refute a case since anyone can yell incorrect, but not everyone can prove his point with what has happened in the thread. So start hoping that everyone shares this view of yours.
well can you. how can you say i have no reason to call you mafia or call holyflare town?
or do you know why i read you as mafia and him as town?
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On July 31 2014 04:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^ Wasn't Titanic the game where Vivax did jackshit as scum? Totally different from this game...
It was also the game where he called someone mafia and then gave reasons that happened after he called them mafia.
like on me here. the only reason that could be even semi-legit he can't reason is which happened before he called me mafia.
other reasons are just bad.
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EBWOP: which he apparently can't reason now..
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On July 31 2014 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:06 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 03:57 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
again why am i scum? You called me scum for no reason and HF town in my list post when everyone with a genuine mindset could see that what he was doing was scummy. Kush had a reaction to our exchange I would consider to be townie, cause he was the right things. incorrect Then you cowardly said I had 10 scumreads, no point behind it except malicious discrediting, especially after it turned out you had the same opinion as me on these guys, so no townie mindset behind that comment. incorrect Then you tried to blow me not including marv into something scummy when I delivered a reasonable explanation for it, and you only explained why it was supposed to be scummy when I forced you to do it. So no real intent in proving to the thread how that actually makes me scum. incorrect Overall malicious, dishonest play and a view of the game that doesn't reflect the right mindset. meh.. words that mean nothing. Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^ This is not how to refute a case since anyone can yell incorrect, but not everyone can prove his point with what has happened in the thread. So start hoping that everyone shares this view of yours. well can you. how can you say i have no reason to call you mafia or call holyflare town? or do you know why i read you as mafia and him as town?
last post before sauna. Vivax this is your only non-retarded reason to call me scum.
Why do i read you scum and Holyflare town? You need to answer this because you apparently know why.
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On July 31 2014 04:29 Palmar wrote:
Rayn not knowing I'm confirmed town is kinda scummy and Vivian is so pretty.
can you answer me about your read on vivax?
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Vivax why are you just trying to make ppl mad?
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On July 31 2014 04:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 04:29 Palmar wrote:
Rayn not knowing I'm confirmed town is kinda scummy and Vivian is so pretty. can you answer me about your read on vivax? Nah buddy. Cba. Let's lynch marv.
cba does not work in this game.
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On July 31 2014 04:37 Vivax wrote:
I'm not the guy who has to calm down, I'm enjoying myself. I post arguments for why HF is scum and he goes ad hominem, so I dunk him for it. I will just keep posting reasons, and he will keep squealing, nice try though.
you really don't...
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On July 31 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote:
But seriously, goodkarma, high chance of mafia.
He berates sinani for making a non-post, and suggests bombing ritoky / Damdred / lurkers, when he is guilty of those things himself.
ritoky, you want a good bomb? goodkarma is a good bomb.
even more his reads on bats/damdred are lazy and bad.
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On July 31 2014 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax:
Why do i read you scum and Holyflare town? You need to answer this because you apparently know why.
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On July 31 2014 04:50 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote:
But seriously, goodkarma, high chance of mafia.
He berates sinani for making a non-post, and suggests bombing ritoky / Damdred / lurkers, when he is guilty of those things himself.
ritoky, you want a good bomb? goodkarma is a good bomb. even more his reads on bats/damdred are lazy and bad. Look at any of my prior games and you should know my day 1 usually involves removing people that are most likely to be D1 liabilities. You should also know that I don't spam like crazy in games. Every post I make has a purpose, or I don't post it. I don't talk about jagers or any other random crap. I only post when I feel it'll be helpful. On top of that I don't have a scum read on any of the active players right now. So heaven forbid, that leaves who I've listed as the most likely scum candidates. Sinani specifically has been brought up. If he behaves this way all game, he's a huge liability and a good bomb target. But from what he's posted it looks like he'll only behave like this day one, and this is why I excluded him.
Okay gk. you made reads that are easy. at the same time you failed to contribute onto anything else in the thread.
then you made a post that wishy-washy people are likely to be scum (and that post of yours was really wishy-washy in itself).
so what have you actually said? and do you really think "removing liabilities" is the way to win a game of mafia as town?
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like, how have you helped?
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On July 31 2014 04:55 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:50 slOosh wrote:
Like as an objective mafia player (someone who plays mafia), I'm gonna say that if you are indeed town and HolyFlare is indeed scum, the way that you are going about it to try to get HolyFlare lynched is ineffective and has great potential to backfire, especially in this kind of setup. I don't know how strong your tunnel is, or how strong your tunnel tendencies are, but you really need to reevaluate how you are choosing to interact with people this game.
Because figuring out who mafia is is 50% of the game. Convincing everyone else is the other 50%, and right now I'm finding that you are severely lacking in the latter department. Dude, whenever I posted something that proved he was scum, he popped up and started complaining and generally tried to get things on a more emotional than rational level. The proof is on the last pages. HF:"Vivax pls stop scumreading me" Me:"This post shows why HF is scum, cause bsbsbs" HF: "You're either scum or a fucking moron" All in between rayn trying to stir the fire by siding with HF, and you.Words don't lie. So you lie by telling me to calm down and pushing tinfoil theories. I use standard arguments, he uses insults and imperatives. Period.
this cannot be a reason why i am mafia.
if this is your final answer you are scum.
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sloosh ask vivax why he thinks i read him scum and hf town plz.
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On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically. The logic proceeds thus: Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy. I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal". Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy? The former setup of this game included a traitor. Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior. That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read.
you're kinda contradicting yourself here man.
i think you should drop the traitor thingy.
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On July 31 2014 04:59 Vivax wrote:
I'm waiting for you to leave so I can talk to other people in peace.
Nothing good can come from me arguing in the thread with my most likely three correct scumreads, who just help each other at every occasion.
It looks tinfoil, but I scumread you previously, and it turned out just like you're all pushing the same agenda, so at least I predicted correctly you would only push into one direction, together, and the reason isn't hard to figure out.
are you talking to me here?
if so, can you just answer a simple question?
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no, ritoky bombs yamato and then we dance on his scum grave. then we kill gk.
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On July 31 2014 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax:
Why do i read you scum and Holyflare town? You need to answer this because you apparently know why.
Last time. Next thing you know is you getting lynched if you do not answer. I don't like people who don't answer me.
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On July 31 2014 06:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax:
Why do i read you scum and Holyflare town? You need to answer this because you apparently know why. Last time. Next thing you know is you getting lynched if you do not answer. I don't like people who don't answer me. Come at me
If you are town you are a fucking asshole and deserve to die,
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vivax duels me or i duel him. one of us dies. period.
i don't fucking give a shit anymore.
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I am literally saying this now. I am going to bed. If there is no duel when i wake up, i will kill fucking Vivax.
He needs to die. He is scum.
So vivax, if you have those 168hours/day to play mafia which i don't atm go ahead and do whatever. you die. you just fucking die. decided.
cya tomorrow.
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