Showdown Mafia - Page 3

On July 31 2014 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT why did you call Vivax out for his read on Damdred but not me?

On July 31 2014 02:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Your list included people who i was townreading, why wouldnt i find you scummy for trying to lynch people i think are town

On July 31 2014 02:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2

Read and understand who exactly you're dealing with.

On July 31 2014 02:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Damdred is town cause thats damdreds town play, i wouldnt go as far to say that rayn is super towny, but from my perspective the only reason your scumreading rayn is cause he defended damdred. I could be wrong on this but thats what i see. These are the reasons i think your scummy.

As for that game you linked, other town voted on BH as well, i even told people not to vote on him. Thats al im going to say on that matter.

On July 31 2014 02:35 batsnacks wrote:


Jat is mafia I would bet your life on it.

Back to work.

On July 31 2014 02:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Do you get the feeling that MM is hiding anything in his posts? I see a relatively strong desire to contribute, despite the fact that I don't agree with what he's saying.

On July 31 2014 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we talk about people who are actually likely to be mafia?
marv tell those people JAT is town so everyone ca shut the fuck up.

On July 31 2014 02:44 Vivax wrote:
I won't answer that question cause I don't read him as town, like you are implying cause I didn't put him into the list. He's null for the moment but did enough for me to not put him among the people not doing anything, and at least gave some opinions on the matters at hand, marv isn't the guy I feel confident reading early on anyway.

On July 31 2014 03:12 Vivax wrote:


And where is my mafia agenda in all of this? That list post was a spontaneous courtesy to tell the thread where I stand, if I didn't include marv for reasons that are my reasons and transparent enough for everyone to see, then you still have to tell me how what I did was scummy. All you're saying is "You didn't have good reasons to not include marv herpaderp", what you aren't saying is how specifically this is supposed to make me scum. Is marv my scumbuddy and I'm trying to keep my hands off of him? Cause that would be the closest you would have to a real reason for scumreading me for what I did or did not.

On July 31 2014 03:23 Vivax wrote:


If anything you're too dumb to see I'm town for all the other shit I did, so I'm not going to explicate it further and just let you do your own thing. Pick a side tomorrow when I call for a rayn vs me or a HF vs me and don't bother me further.

I didn't include marv cause he did more than all the other people I included as not doing anything, the reason is that simple. I've seen posts and opinions from marv, I didn't see them from the others. Period, now stop giving more importance to rayn's awful arguments than they deserve.

On July 31 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^

On July 31 2014 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It was also the game where he called someone mafia and then gave reasons that happened after he called them mafia.
like on me here. the only reason that could be even semi-legit he can't reason is which happened before he called me mafia.
other reasons are just bad.

On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:
That unlurk timing. Heh.


I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included.

It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play.

On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:

The logic proceeds thus:

Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy.
I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal".
Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy?
The former setup of this game included a traitor.
Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior.

That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read.

On July 31 2014 05:15 Vivax wrote:


You just have to look from the start of the conversation between HF and me, what kush wrote about HF's points, rayn's entrance, and SlOosh being on the sidetracks playing support for them.

It looks crazy at glance, but I'm telling you that at least HF and rayn have more than enough capabilities to be such active scum. Don't be fooled into thinking that just cause they're active means they aren't scum, and the scum must be among the inactives.

What you will see is them covering each other's backs against a lone guy pushing them as scum, which is the good way of playing scum. Active scum that takes control of the thread and gets townread for their activity and not scumread for the false accusations they use to get mislynches is a one way road to a loss.

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Disclaimer: HF, rayn and SlOosh, don't reply to this message unless you talk to other people cause I won't answer your questions or rebuttals.

On July 31 2014 05:26 Vivax wrote:


It's okay it will look much better once I get one of them to flip.
And if they're town and I'm wrong they should be among the earlier NK's.

D1 is always a mess, but I hope that I will be proven correct when we have more information, and that people will remember what I said.

Is there anyone in particular you want me to take a look at? Do you at least agree on ONE of the guys I'm scumreading?