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On July 31 2014 01:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 01:27 slOosh wrote:
Like, the reasons are invalid as applied to you or invalid in totality? Why do you ask me, you can simply read them and give your own opinion as to why rayn would call something out and then say he has the same opinion as me.
Because Vivax, I've gathered that we have very different playstyles and I'm trying to understand where you are coming from. Additionally, I'm trying to be on the same page so that when you say "non-reasons", if you are referring to a specific post, or all his posts generally etc.
No I don't think rayn is "attacking" you as you put it. He merely said that you are calling, who he thinks should be null, possible scum. It's a difference in interpretation in something I think is alignment null.
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On July 31 2014 01:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
@Ritoky, i was reading through the thread, and had you as either scum or a power role ^^
I would probably put JAT as someone who i would potentially blow up, when asked for a suggestion on who to blow up, he told you to just choose the lurker you hate the most. Theres 10 pages of thread responses, and instead of taking a guess at someone who he thinks is playing scummy, he goes with a play that imo is too safe. From my perspective its a mafia who is trying to get a mislynch on someone, without coming off as scummy.
as for my second person to hit, i would choose someone from the lurkers ^^
huehuehue
Could you please explain why this is scummy?
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Dude, Vivax, calm down.
Unless you are extremely sure that HolyFlare is scum, your actions are really unconstructive to town atmosphere. If you want to duel him tomorrow 1 second in, sure go ahead, that's what this setup allows. Stop whining so much, people are less inclined to listen regardless of how solid your reasoning may be. Just collect data, make a big case and then post it with a duel 1 second into the day. I don't think what you are doing here is the most productive way of getting HolyFlare lynched, if that's what you want.
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But seriously, goodkarma, high chance of mafia.
He berates sinani for making a non-post, and suggests bombing ritoky / Damdred / lurkers, when he is guilty of those things himself.
ritoky, you want a good bomb? goodkarma is a good bomb.
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I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me.
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Duelmaster
I, deputy jail warden slOosh, hereby formally request a duel with goodkarma at high noon tomorrow, with your permission of course.
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That unlurk timing. Heh.
On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver.
I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included.
It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play.
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Like as an objective mafia player (someone who plays mafia), I'm gonna say that if you are indeed town and HolyFlare is indeed scum, the way that you are going about it to try to get HolyFlare lynched is ineffective and has great potential to backfire, especially in this kind of setup. I don't know how strong your tunnel is, or how strong your tunnel tendencies are, but you really need to reevaluate how you are choosing to interact with people this game.
Because figuring out who mafia is is 50% of the game. Convincing everyone else is the other 50%, and right now I'm finding that you are severely lacking in the latter department.
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On July 31 2014 04:50 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 31 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote:
But seriously, goodkarma, high chance of mafia.
He berates sinani for making a non-post, and suggests bombing ritoky / Damdred / lurkers, when he is guilty of those things himself.
ritoky, you want a good bomb? goodkarma is a good bomb. even more his reads on bats/damdred are lazy and bad. Look at any of my prior games and you should know my day 1 usually involves removing people that are most likely to be D1 liabilities. You should also know that I don't spam like crazy in games. Every post I make has a purpose, or I don't post it. I don't talk about jagers or any other random crap. I only post when I feel it'll be helpful. On top of that I don't have a scum read on any of the active players right now. So heaven forbid, that leaves who I've listed as the most likely scum candidates. Sinani specifically has been brought up. If he behaves this way all game, he's a huge liability and a good bomb target. But from what he's posted it looks like he'll only behave like this day one, and this is why I excluded him.
To clarify you have a town read on Vivax, HolyFlare, rayn, me, Obi and JAT?
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On July 31 2014 04:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I'm not uncooperative, I push my reads aggressively, and they try to derail me into stupid arguments, and provoke me. I'm cooperative to everyone else, I asked normal questions to JAT before I townread him, I'm asking normal questions to GK, simply cause they won't react to my suspicion in a way that will only end up making our exchanges a pain to read, this being the reason I don't want to discuss with HF and rayn any more, but only display to the rest of the thread why they are scum, which I have done in multiple instances.
Ok, I'll play the mediator then.
Could you, for the sake of people who can't read as well or whatever, provide a concise summary of why you find HolyFlare and rayn to be scum? I'm looking for a couple of sentences and maybe a quote for each of them.
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On July 31 2014 04:52 Holyflare wrote:
Sloosh you town read me AND vivax before so what's really changed if we're just doing the same things?
Basically, it feels like you are trying to disengage and Vivax won't.
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On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically.
The logic proceeds thus:
Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy.
I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal".
Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy?
The former setup of this game included a traitor.
Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior.
That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read.
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Ok, how about this? We suspend all reads and thoughts on each other, and we discuss all the remaining players? Sounds good right?
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Yea, but like, we just back off from each other for Day 1, and then convene afterwards to re-evaluate.
I am on board with the bomb yamato duel gk plan.
Vivax are there people amongst the "lurkers" you feel are better chances to be mafia or probable towns that we maybe should avoid?
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On July 31 2014 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically. The logic proceeds thus: Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy. I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal". Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy? The former setup of this game included a traitor. Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior. That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read. Meh, I think that's quite the stretch.
Very well could be yes. My brain finds it easier to say Vivax is traitor than Vivax is scum / town. Anyways, I'm interested in doing this suspension thing where we move on for a day and see what we come up with elsewhere.
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goodkarma, you said yourself that you don't have scumreads on any of the active players.
Yet you fault Damdred for doing the same. What differentiates you two?
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Palmar, goodkarma, yay or nay?
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On July 31 2014 08:12 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 08:10 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 08:09 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn is a good player and scum are scared of him. that kill makes perfect sense to me. No, he wanted me dead and would have created a town vs town situation. There's more behind that kill than the eyes see at first glance. he said he woudl duel you if a duel hadn't been started by the time he woke up, but that is pretty unlikely. I had palmar as a light townread, but what's concerning me is there is a lot of mafia motive behind killing marv like that. He's afk so it doesn't look too scummy, but he's also a huge potential threat if he ever starts playing.
Mafia motive in dueling marv? As scum, I'd think town marv is by and large one of the people you would never want to duel no? I don't understand your reasoning for scumreading Palmar.
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Cuz they chicken.
But like you said "he's also a huge potential threat if he ever starts playing".
Is Palmar trying to get marv quicklynched before he can play? If not, how is what Palmar did scummy?
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I'm not solely town reading Palmar because of his dueling marv..
What I don't get is how you scum read Palmar because of his dueling marv.
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