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Teemursu
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On July 23 2014 18:31 Vivax wrote: Palmar am I doing this right? Your instructions weren't very clear in the qt. Trolling in your first/second post is fine but keeping it up without providing any real content is pretty scummy. I could totes see you two distancing each other. | ||
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Teemursu
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Will reread a little bit later on. So far I'm okay with keeping my vote on Obi. Navillus didn't have too good of a follow up but I still find Obi's responses scummier. I'll focus on Xata, so if anyone has anything specific they want to know, feel free to ask. | ||
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On July 23 2014 19:53 Chopin Liszt wrote: I laugh everytime someone says that someone defending them and being correct when nobody else is makes them probably towny when it should give you the opposite reaction ~_~ Anyway, I think navillus has potential and I'd rather keep him around over the likes of obi/teem/vivax. Vivax probably strongest mafia read for not giving a shit like usual mafia vivax, time will tell in the day though. You accuse me of the same thing Navillus has been doing, give him a pass and not vote on Vivax, who is your strongest mafia read. Well played. When someone says something you've been thinking about before you yourself say it out loud, I can see that person being on the same wavelength as I am, thus the town read. Most of your case is just pushing on me for asking people what I thought of Damdred. I was starting to read the thread, and I didn't like his entrance to the thread. Him being my first read, I asked others what others thought about him. Also, when I asked Palmar about him, I mentioned that I think Damdred is scummy. I -am- giving a read on Damdred, I think he's scummy. Kush doesn't interest me today, what I quickly saw from him was okay and nothing he did was particularly scummy to me. You're wasting time with me. Generally I get decent reads from people interacting with me, but your push on me solely because of giving unsubstantiated reads doesn't really help me figure out your alignment. I would much rather see you look at my interaction with Obi. | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:32 Navillus wrote: I am going to keep trying to get conversation about things that I think I can make reads off of, but my last thought is the votes on me happened very fast with not much said. Palmer seems fine, he made a real case and I honestly agree with his points for how that post looks, it's a bad post. But not bad enough to deserve 2 or 3 people immediately bandwagoning with literally no elaboration. On July 23 2014 19:31 Chopin Liszt wrote: so why are we lynching navillus? Why do -you- think we shouldn't? You voted on him with Palmar, and are now giving him a pass. Navillus, What do you think of CL? If the bolded is true, I'd rather hear your thoughts on the alignments of the people who did that. On July 23 2014 04:27 Chopin Liszt wrote: You must have very long dreadlocks All you do is speak in paradox ##vote ObiWanShinobi Funny that I see this only now. I thought about pointing this out as well while I was on my phone. | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:44 Xatalos wrote: Koshi: Navillus has posted a ton of opinions, but don't you think they're pretty inconclusive and weak? Granted it's D1, but some of his posts feel like... "It could be X, but it could be Y" leaving his options as open as possible. + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2014 18:48 Xatalos wrote: Navillus could be scum. Reasonably likely is. His posts are pretty inconclusive and weak despite having a lot of text. Leaving a lot of options open for future actions. On July 23 2014 19:42 Xatalos wrote: Well, kush is 100% correct and probably slightly towny for that. ObiWan doesn't look too bad. He seems more frustrated than scared of pressure. I don't like the way he complained about the thread atmosphere several times. Posts like that are just... useless and potentially scummy. +some other wishy washy posts. On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote: Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. This literally means nothing. You talked about your scum meta in other posts as well, and I haven't really liked your other posts either, you haven't really taken a strong stance on anyone alignment-wise either, while not trying to figure out alignments either ("person X appears as scummy when town and person Y is hard to read, just give him a pass"), and I think you're being a bit hypocritical by doing it. It's like, you're leaving your options open.  You're on my radar. | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:53 Koshi wrote: Palmar hasn't done anything this game. Literally nothing. I wouldn't be too bothered with Palmar doing nothing but he made this shitty case on Navillus so he is on the table. I also know I somewhere said it wasn't shitty but now I think it is shitty because I read Navillus his filter. What about his case was shitty? | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:53 Koshi wrote: Palmar hasn't done anything this game. Literally nothing. I wouldn't be too bothered with Palmar doing nothing but he made this shitty case on Navillus so he is on the table. I also know I somewhere said it wasn't shitty but now I think it is shitty because I read Navillus his filter. Just noticed this. Let me rephrase the question. What about Palmar's case was bad until Navillus had his follow up posts? Why can't TL have some kind of avatar/profile picture system. It's sometimes harder than necessary/confusing to differentiate between who's posting what. >_> | ||
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On July 23 2014 21:38 Chopin Liszt wrote: How is that anything like what navillus has been doing? He's backed up his scum reads with quotes and evidence and pointed people in directions and then asked people what they think of the people he was discussing. You just questioned people on damd and then gave only a "he's scummy" reason, which is not a reason. Vivax is a scum read for not doing anything but that can change based on what he does later in the cycle hence why he's not being voted over you. Why does that matter anyway when you've already stated that you don't take meta reads into account at all? I'm talking about pre-Palmar's case, the one you jumped on, remember? I can't predict the future, you know? All Navillus did before that case was say that 1) there wasn't anything odd about Damdred, 2) give the wishy-washiest non-content read on you and 3) called Xana scum/said his list was bad for the same reasons everyone else has. It's your own problem if you don't think it's a reason. If I think there's a potential scum somewhere, of course I want to hear people's reads on the person. Might be pretty useful later on if that person turns out to be mafia, y'know? I get my reads the way I do and I could care less what you think of how I do it. You yourself said that he is your strongest scum read. You're using superlatives, which indicates he is the person you think is the most scum. I thought that was kind of clear to everybody. Meta reads != people becoming more active and improving their play during the game By meta reads, I mean I don't care if you think you know how someone plays mafia/town. I haven't played with almost anyone here, thus I can't accept/disprove when someone here talks about X person's play. Your case is so weak at this point and the fact you're harping on the fact that I was asking questions makes me think you're either mafia trying to push a miss lynch or bad town, in which case you should just let your hydra partner play solo from now on, which would also make it easier for me to read you. | ||
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On July 23 2014 21:06 Koshi wrote: When I say later on. I meant before he made that post Palmar based his case on. And those questions were not made to be ignored. I don't see it. The two posts you quoted and used to defended him based on him "not trying to hide anything" is because there's almost nothing to hide. Like, literally. His reads on CL and Damdred were just fluffy null there wasn't anything about him trying to figure out people's alignment. Xata was okay, but everyone already discussed it and the reasons. For some reason, repeating what everyone else has said about a post that happened almost six hours ago doesn't give me enough town cred for me to read that person as town. Especially when the post Palmar made a case about was in my opinion bad as well. You then go on to quoting post-Palmar's case stuff, that 1) aren't relevant 2) I can somewhat agree and helps me read Palmar. "I'm still leaving my options open about him, though". I want to hear from Koshi what he specifically liked about Navillus's posts pre-Palmar's case besides just saying "he's not hiding anything", which isn't enough considering how null Navillus's posts were. I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet). | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote: Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin Don't lynch: Everyone else. Mostly agree. Why Chopin? Also could you put that list into an order of would lynch the most -> would want to lynch the least. | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:39 Chopin Liszt wrote: Liszt and I appear to be somewhat syncopated when it comes to Navillus. I will try to align our scores. Chopin If this is how hydras play out (in terms of how hard it is to read that person) I probably will never want to play with a hydra in the same game. Which one of you was the one who pointed out Obi's hypocrisy earlier in the game or was it Liszt? Which one of you was the one who made their case on me and pushed on it? Is every post that isn't signed by Chopin made by Liszt? I'm so confused. | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote: Navillus typed words when nobody was typing words. I give him a townread. The end. Great way to approach the game, keep it up. You'll get really far with this. | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:43 Chopin Liszt wrote: You agree with Vivax, little Teermursu? In the battle royale with Koshi, you have the view That Koshi is the evil, the bastard, the swine and Vivax is dandy, splendid, and fine? I tell you this, I'll make it breve I hope this, I can achieve It may be two fine composers, a simple misunderstandin' but if one is malign, it is not our Belgian. Chopin I'm not sure about how the alignments go for Koshi/Vivax yet. I see that they've been fighting a little bit, but I haven't really read that stuff with thought yet. So far I want to lynch Obi, okay with lynching Xata and Navillus and you I'm now unsure about. That's mostly agreed. If you weren't a hydra player, I'd read you pretty scummy. Not because of just flipping reads, but because you're not substantiating the flipping. | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:51 Chopin Liszt wrote: Liszt, Liszt, no. Liszt's posts should be obvious now that he has revealed himself as the famed mafia player, Holyflare. Chopin What if I said that I've heard his name like twice and that I've never seen or read him play nor played with him? How do you expect me to read you still regardless of how obvious it is to you? I can answer the rhetorical question, just because: I can't. | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:03 Vivax wrote: Don't think Obi is scum for what it's worth. He is a very nervous/demoralized mafia player, at least in his past games. Don't see it fitting for him to throw around votes and joke and be generally rather carefree if he was scum, like when he came out begging for a townread jokingly. Again, meta reads in this game are almost worth nothing to me in this game. I could weigh in a confirmed town's opinion, I guess, but even in video mafia people tend to be wrong often. To address the jokey nature, I can't really read town from that. As I said previously, being jokey and trolling in the first couple of posts is fine, but when it's most of what you're doing and you keep it up for longer, I read it scummier or non-alignment indicative at best. I've spoken up about him and I've said other things than just him sheeping Kush's read. | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:15 Vivax wrote: Teemu, could you give me your opinion on this post about Koshi chopin is trying to blow out of proportion. I feel like what he's doing is scummy but I'd like the view from another party observing the interaction. I'll read Koshi v Chopin v you interactions later on. Right now I need some food and the legend rank in Hearthstone. | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:17 Vivax wrote: I mean, if he thinks I'm not being blunt and only applies it to how I handle Koshi purely based on the wording of my post, but not to the way I handled navi, then something is not right. I feel like I was blunt enough in regard to what I think of navi, yet he only prefers to focus on the last half. Idk, I feel like both you and Koshi are town, as much as I'm starting to agree with you on Koshi (not too much about the timing on his vote on though). I'm not sure about Chopin's alignment. I don't think I can read hydras too well. He still gave an He still gave an opinion on I was making a longer post, and I accidentally lost it, and I'm not really in a mood to rewrite it. >_> On July 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: never seen kushmasta this town. Damdred makes a terrible post on Xatalos (because the post lacks any conclusion and/or follow up). Cava calls the post good (apparently because he has a townread on damdred he "guesses"). Haru says Xatalos is buddying and apparently that's scummy? Well it's not. Then Cava says he doesn't want to pick a side regarding Xatalos. But in fact he kinda has (see townread on damdred). CR has the best approach to Xatalos situation. It makes sense although i don't know if it makres Xatalos mafia but regardless it makes sense. All other shit on Xatalos is crap and idk why anyone thinks it's any good.. Navillus post badbad. ##vote: Navillus Teemursu why are you leaning scum on Xatalos? Palmar town. Shopping List is right. Teemursu gave a strange weak defence on Xatalos after calling him probably scum. Koshi what the fuck are you doing - except for the Vivax stuff? --- Cava could also be mafia, and damdred, and Haru. ugh.. that's too stupid. but Koshi for reals what the fuck? There's a post by me about him somewhere previously, if you've read through the thread, you'll find it.. Also, who is Cava? On July 24 2014 00:35 VayneAuthority wrote: this is one of those funny games where the people "scumhunting" are more likely to be scum. with 3 mafia only you have to really shit on the thread and make it unreadable or you will just lose. The fuck? Are you... joking? This is your contribution after being asked, for example, your reason for voting on Haru, which is literally the only thing you've done in this game? How are you expecting to win as town? If not by scumhunting, you're saying we should not post at all, throw out a half-assed non-content post about how doing towny things somehow implies being mafia? If you're town, you still realise there's a difference between scumhunting and posting as mafia? Who is shitting the thread and how are they making it unreadable for you? mafiamafiamafiamafiamafia ##Unvote ##Vote VayneAuthority | ||
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Those people include, VA, Obi and maybe Damdred. | ||
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