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Obi looks terrible to me. My original post stands that he wasn't contributing and just sheeped a vote without much new justification. Since then he has posted fluff, defended himself if attacks on him came up, chatted a bit with rayne, and asked vivax one question. His one read seems to be "kush/Navi/someone between Vivax and Koshi." So "defending himself/bandwagon/one of the two people on opposite sides of the biggest argument at the time" Nothing particularly original or scumhunty coming out of that. For all that I think Obi would be an excellent lynch right now.
But I'm in a bit of a pickle because I also really think xata looks super-scum. Look at his filter. So far he's gone back and discussed his list post and the surrounding conversation a bit, which is fine but there was much more recent stuff to discuss that he didn't talk about. He also hasn't pushed a read at all except to sheep. Looking at the votes on me palmar started it then was followed by in no particular order chopin, vivax, xatalos, and rayne. Right now vivax and rayne look fine to me, I haven't read through chopin's stuff yet, but of those xata definitely comes off the worse. He votes me, switches of me, then switches back all without much discussion of why or how much he thinks I'm scummy. He soft defends a number of people without making any aggressive reads, here's an example:
On July 24 2014 01:07 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 00:47 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 00:15 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alsoalsoalso, why didnät you call out those bad cases on you? you should have been the first one to realize they are shit. I think I did mention that it's stupid to call me "infinitely scummy" for a single listpost, but overall I don't feel like it's inherently scummy to make bad cases. It's D1 after all, good cases are rare. no it's not scummy to make bad cases. that's not what i am suggesting. did you even read my post and what it was referring to? i am not calling anyone mafia for making bad cases. damdred made a posts that really said nothing. he didn't follow that up in any way - even when there were questions which you didn't even answer. Cava called damdred town for that post, then he called you not necessarily scum. first of all that post was not good, second, he cannot give damdred a town read if he does not think you are scummy. because he didn't call the case bad. you either agree with a case or not, he didn't do either but STILL the post was somehow good. like, he semi-agreed with it without saying so. wishy-washy as fuck. Haru called you out for buddying after those two guys. Buddying is not scummy unless you explain why. Stupid as fuck. Teemu called you scummy for who knows why. Now why didn't YOU call these people out for those things? Like do you want people just attack you for dumb shit and do nothing about it? Or scared of saying something that is ACTUALLY scummy? idk.. i just can't see why you would like to have bad cases on you running around without cutting them out straight up. I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all. Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group. Exactly who and why? Probably not Teemursu. He's been pretty involved and expressed clear opinions so far. It's not like he's even having me as a strong scumread, just a FOS or something, which doesn't seem that unreasonable. Damdred is potential scum. Seems like he's mostly been trying to stay under the radar and he's pretty cautious / passive. Dunno about Haru atm. Null. His reasons for suspecting me are kind of dumb, but not totally outrageous when there's little to work with during D1. TBD. ObiWan and batsnacks didn't really give much of an opinion on me and just townread Damdred. Kind of weird, I guess... There could be scum among these two. ObiWan felt somewhat townish earlier though.
Here he talks about "potential scum" and how between two people they are "kind of weird," "could be scum among these two," but "ObiWan felt somewhat townish" these are some of the weakest statements you can make. Later he seems to kind of get confident in GB being scum: On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started.
Only to almost instantly go back on it and totally nullify his read: On July 24 2014 03:01 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let's lynch all the people who said VA is Xatalos' scumread?
jjust because that was so bad.
Palmar you in? LOL Anyways... Ok, GB's push isn't really scummy. Still based on weak reasons, but it could as well be coming from town. I guess I've just been having a hard time believing that I'd make a townie that confident in myself being scum.
There's more but even this shows how uncommiting xata is. I'd be happy to lynch obi and happy to lynch him. ##Vote: Xatalos
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Oh also there's a ton of lurking going on. I basically can't get a read on Damdred/batsnacks/Palmer/VA because none of them are gracing us with their presence. There really is no reason town should be posting so few reads/thoughts so all of them look bad right now. To all of them, if you are town please post more, if there's only one or two people lurking it's easier to pressure them into talking about stuff because their lurking stands out more.
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"I definitely don't think Koshi should be the D1 lynch right now" I'm confused did you misread? This looks consistent to me.
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I've been following the thread without much to say and I have to go to bed now, probably won't be up before lynch but here are my last thoughts for the day.
First looking at Obi's actions since I made my post going after him I feel he's even scummier. The vote on Vivax looks pretty strongly like he got some pressure, decided he needed to vote someone/make a read, and then just went with the first one he could think of. The argument there is flimsy at best and he hasn't done much else substantial. So at this point I would actually put Obi at number one for who I'd like to lynch. I won't be changing my vote because I don't expect enough people to switch to him, especially while I'm asleep and unable to push my read.
Now before someone accuses me of distancing from Xata's lynch I still feel comfortable with that, I've had reservations like vivax about this lynch, more related to how this lynch seems to be going through too easily, but I don't think that's a strong enough reason to switch. And I do think his lack of attempts to avoid being lynched does lean more scum than town. Both can do it, but I think you can definitely see it out of scum who don't really know how to move a lynch that they know is accurate. So I feel comfortable saying lynching Xata is one of our best options given what we have today.
Vivax I just read through koshi's filter and honestly don't know what to make of it. On the argument about me like I said before him saying I was giving a ton of reads at the time of my bad post isn't totally accurate but I think on the whole what he saw was accurate. Since then he's been fairly active and he's made votes, but the vote on you seems largely because you argued with him and on obi was I think because of "attitude" or something about him getting angry. While I obviously agree obi is a good vote I actually think him getting pissed in an argument is the one thing that's not at all alignment-indicative. These things make koshi look weird (i.e. kind of scummy) to me and while I wouldn't vote him now I will focus on him over the next day.
Lastly people need to stop lurking. Like it's really frustrating that I can't give reads on like half the people here because they have so few posts. I can't tell anything about Damdred, Glowingbear, VA, Palmer, and batnats because they have so few posts about concrete stuff. (if you're wondering the people I haven't named there and haven't pushed are the people I think look fairly town, I haven't been ignoring them) At least one of those is almost certainly scum just because they realized how easy it is so far to get away with it but there's no way for us to know until the town ones become more active.
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Basically this whole page ninja'd me, so wondering: why damdred instead of another lurker? I didn't get much more of a read on him than palmer/va/glowbear/batsnacks, so what makes him look scummy but not them?
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On July 24 2014 18:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 18:40 Navillus wrote:
Basically this whole page ninja'd me, so wondering: why damdred instead of another lurker? I didn't get much more of a read on him than palmer/va/glowbear/batsnacks, so what makes him look scummy but not them? Wouldn't call batsnacks a lurker, and Vayne has to be vigged, Palmar is readable to some extent. Glowbear I don't think is scum atm.
re: batsnacks I see some jokes, a poem, a sheeped vote, some questions and some discussion that's not even close to being about his reads or thoughts on people. I'd invite you to reread his filter because I literally cannot find anything I'd call scumhunting there since xata's list post.
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Ok maybe not a lurker if you're only looking at whether he was there, but he's contributed almost nothing, which frankly seems even worse to me.
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I'm trying to figure out why one lurker is a better lynch than another, if we could collectively lynch them all I'd be cool with that but failing that I'd rather lynch someone I actually have a read on. Now Palmer, it's really nice for you that you can call me mafia because I've posted enough to be readable, do you care to reciprocate?
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On July 24 2014 18:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 18:54 Navillus wrote:
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I'm trying to figure out why one lurker is a better lynch than another, if we could collectively lynch them all I'd be cool with that but failing that I'd rather lynch someone I actually have a read on. Now Palmer, it's really nice for you that you can call me mafia because I've posted enough to be readable, do you care to reciprocate? Ye but your perception seems to be a lot different, it's not just cause he's a lurker, I mentioned some other stuff too, but somehow you reduce it to the reason just being that he lurks.
Honestly? I don't know what else you said, I looked through the people that I called lurkers filters and decided for myself that I couldn't read them. When you pushed one I was curious why he was better than the others, that other stuff you mentioned is what I was asking about, I wasn't saying you're wrong I was legitimately curious. I'll go back and reread your post to see if anything sticks out now that it's pointed out to me but that's why I asked.
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On July 24 2014 18:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 18:56 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 18:54 Palmar wrote:
I didn't say damdred was scum. Just navillus Why would Navillus deflect attention away from town Damdred as scum? To produce cheap correct content. Idk. Maybe dude is scum too. But navillus is mafia
Palmer I'm not calling you scum, but I'm kind of pissed off that you get to show up with almost no content before now and call me scum for asking a question then pointing out that bats looks bad too, I didn't even say Damdred wasn't bad, I don't remember what his filter looked like beyond that I couldn't get reads and I was pointing out that bats+you+VA+glowbear looked unreadable to me too so it seemed weird to me that one was singled out.
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Ok vivax I looked at your post and reread Damdred's filter (didn't take very long lol) and I kind of see what you're saying, the few things he has said look like they are more designed to look like content or interest than bats who seems to just be talking about anything in thread. But honestly the difference is so marginal that I wouldn't feel safe picking either as scummier. I think they both look bad for the lurking and non-posts and I agree Damdred looks worse, but I still think there's almost nothing to go on either way. Hence me being pissed about the lurking.
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Oh and the one long post damdred made that xata pointed out does look bad. So yeah I'd agree that of the people lurking dam looks the worst and wouldn't be a bad target, but I still feel more comfortable with a my stronger read on xata. Also before someone says I'm flipping from defending him to saying he's a good lynch, I don't even know where the idea I was defending him came from. I literally made two posts, in the first I asked why he was a better lynch than other lurkers cause I was freaking curious and when bats was mentioned as not lurking I responded with a second post saying I thought he was lurking cause I had just been in his filter and decided it was lurky. Palmer attacked me as defending dam before anything of the sort happened and that's weird.
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ebwop: when I say defending him to lynching him I mean damdred not xata, just to be clear
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Well it's time for me to actually go sleep, idk what I think about that being a scumslip, but I will say I no longer am worried about the xata lynch being too easy. While what I did wasn't even close to me trying to divert from a damdred lynch, the damdred lynch does sure as hell look like an attempt to divert from xata to me.
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Well I just woke up 
Anyway gg and good luck town.
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