EPT/in
/agrees to rules
/etcetc
Team Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
/in /agrees to rules /etcetc | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
Gottago run an errand so I wasn't able to catch up fully. Anyways: ##vote: Stratiform gets a Vote for a cautious, fluffy thread presence that no one (with the exception of OnceKing) seems to question. Be back later tonight and see what the rest of the Thread looks like. | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
##vote: Unvote ##vote: Team WeDemandALawyer Haru seems to have no incentive to Scumhunt, yet gives absurd Town-passes to Palmar (most noticeably) and later to Robik/ExO (when asked about the 'meh' comment). He/She also fumbled with his/her explanations (about the Glowinghand-defense) when pressured -- seems like a 'guilty conscience' that wasn't prepared to meet a sudden, hard-hitting question. (This bit, for instance: "Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven." Smells like trying to come up with a Pro-Town motive for something that has already been explained before in several posts -- why not say that commenting on the Kenpachi-argument was a plan devised together as Hydras when questions were first asked from Haru, instead of coming up with this motive only after it had drawn enough attention to be more than one Vote? Isn't this also a direct contradiction to saying earlier that Haru can't speak on Glowinghand's behalf?!) | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
Why is no one commenting on the contradiction by Haru I pointed out, though? | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
There's a difference to what he later said, which is that they thought the discussion might be Scum-driven. Why not just say that they thought the Kenpachi-discussion was Scum-motivated from the get-go, if that's what they had discussed and were thinking at the time? (And how can this alleged notion be seen from either of their posts? I couldn't find it.) How does Haru not know what Glowing's intention was, in the first place, if they had actually discussed all of this? | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=25#499 Haru says here that they were excited to play but not excited to talk about the Kenpachi-rule for 10 pages. Indicates that they did talk something together. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#503 Haru says that he and Glow should definitely comment on the Kenpachi-discussion -- the only motive I can glean from this post for that is that it was a 'hot topic' in the Thread for a long while. He doesn't say that they should, for instance, try to find possible Scummioso initiative in the initiation of the 'argument'. (And in fact, Haru doesn't seem to ever look for Scum. Not even when Voting for rayn.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#510 Haru, again, reiterates that it was important for one of them to comment on the topic that took considerable amounts of threadspace. He says that they, as a Hydra, definitely wanted to talk ABOUT the Topic but nothing else. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#511 No Scumhunting prior to this post, then all of a sudden Palmar gets a FREE Town-pass for absolutely no reason at all. Alarm bells, they be a-ringin'! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#516 Here Haru says he cannot speak on Glow's behalf... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=27#539 ...and here suddenly bringing the topic up was planned together. ('I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.') Why not say that in the first place? And how does this alleged 'collective intention' show at all from the posts (by Glow) in question? Like, the whole notion about a 'collection intention' seems like an afterthought which actually doesn't fit either of their actions. Clearly they HAD discussed something regarding the on-thread discussion, but it doesn't seem like it was what Haru said in #539. Here's what Glow thought about the Kenpachi 'argument': Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath. Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not? Here's what Haru says they thought about the Ken-arg: OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven. I don't see this as consistent. | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
| ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
So to reiterate your case -- Koshi Scum due to meta (entrance), CR Scum due to complaining about the amount of posts and then focusing on your filter. Is this a meta thing as well? I remember liking CR's posts so you could elaborate on that one. Have to agree on Strat having presented some quite likeable posts. | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
Are we going to have night-nakking, btw? As in, is the Thread open for us to talk during the Night? | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
They (or Haru, rather) give Palmar a Town-pass here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#511 and continuing here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#515 I was also going to mention the weird pass Robik/ExO was given but when I checked the relevant posts (love the 'filter' option you guys have<3) I realized that the chain of posts actually computes, even if it still remains Lazy. | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
| ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
Later Haru decides that they actually had the insanely Pro-Town aim of keeping a watch on the possibly Scum-influenced Kenpachi-argument. Except that none of their posts actually imply such a motivation. Instead of saying that they wanted to talk about the argument for the sake of it having been talked about, Haru could've said right from the get-go that they wanted to analyze the Kenpachi-argument because they thought it might be Scum-influenced. Haru literally both says that he can't speak on Glow's behalf AND that he SHOULD speak on Glow's behalf since they had agreed together that the Kenpachi-argument could be Scum-influenced. Child-ese enough? :D | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
Anyways. Am I correct in assuming that the PC is no more than 4 minutes away? | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
Haru please (also) explain the questions I raised in my posts -- you can find them from my filter quite easily. | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
| ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
| ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
| ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
EoD1-Bunnies does fit the mold of 'the Scummiosi who knew a little too much', I'll have to agree. EoD1-Haru does as well -- if you look at his filter, you see that he starts off by agreeing that Slamroot is suspect and/or only helping the Scum win, and I don't see any real reasoning presented for that. Somebody mentioned that Palmar was weird, but I don't actually agree. Him going "I love this case and I love Eden" -> "Meh not that surprising, really" is outspoken, and I don't see how a Scum-player could conceivably try to gain Town-credit like this. Bunnies/poofter and Koshi/CR are definitely not knowingly co-aligned; I don't see Scum!Bunnies trying to gain Town-cred by proposing an alternate wagon that is her Scumbuddy. Still like Chairman Ray as a Town-lean -- the exchange with Strat still seemed gewd on a reread. Has to post more, though. @Koshi I'd like you to elaborate on your Strat- and ExO-reads? Also you asked me to quote my case at one point -- I will get around to a TL;DR of my case once Haru's finally answered me about the Kenpachi-comments he made, so you will get that then (or when I get tired of waiting for an answer). I remember a lot of FoSses (fingers of suspicion) wagged at marv and I don't really understand them -- I remember liking his posts. Didn't have time to ISO yet, though. mderg also gets Townie-brownies for actually reading my post and overall, having a good transparent train of thought. Also had way more posts than I remembered him to have. Anyways, this slot can remain a Town-lean. I've played one game with Robik before and his attitude here definitely is reminiscent of that earlier encounter. (He was Town.) He plays the meta-card way more often here, but probably because this game happens on his 'home field' and not in a group of Players who are mostly strangers. OTOH, VisceraEyes claimed that Robik's Scum-game wouldn't be different -- in this game, somebody (Haru, atleast) specifically said that Robik IS hella easy to read because of broken meta. In retrospect ExO's filter is somewhat weird, though: #605 is him finding suspicious stuff about EVERYONE which seems like "shitflinging" (to quote someone earlier in this Thread). One of the null-reads he ends up with is the Team he has been most vocal about analyzing earlier on, aka bunnies/poofter. Hmmmm actually, #1091 is also weird -- namely because I realize that ExO never commented on sqrt (after sqrt started posting, that is) and he's only considering the Lynch in light of Slam's antics... IMO, sqrt's contradictions were definitely the more damning point of the case, so I find it interesting that ExO would only give the Slam-spam as reasoning for considering the Lynch. Especially since he says that he has caught up with the Thread. Annnnd #1091 DOES reek a lil like distancing-oneself-from-a-Mislynch-to-appear-better. All-in-all, ExO seems to end up surprisingly often sitting on the fence about the topics he discusses. @Everyone -- any insight/summary on what to actually think about Robik's meta? Didn't have time to go through Palmar/Strat and all of poofter/bunnies as I gottago for a while now but from what I remember I've seen Palmar/Strat both do Town-leaning stuff. I remember all-in-all not being worried about bunnies during D1 but finding poofter's threadpresence Sketchy. In case it isn't obvious, btw, I consider OK and Eden Town-reads. (You may notice that I call 'strong' Town-reads 'Town-reads' and more or less weaker reads 'Town-leans'.) Their Hydras get free passes from me thanks to that. OK I will probably never ever want to tinfoil on, and I don't see any reasons to get paranoid about Eden either. Alllllso rayn apparently STILL won't be able to get on today. Looks like I misunderstood what he told me yesterday. I summed up what happened EoD1 but I doubt he'll be able to catch up with the ENTIRE Thread once he finally gets home. Anyways, you guys need to wait a bit more to be able to enjoy his Presence. | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
@Haru@ExO – Why did you not like the Slamroot-Lynch yesterday? @Koshi I'd STILL like you to elaborate on your Strat- and ExO-reads? @Everyone – is Haru's claim that Robik has intentionally 'broken' his meta correct IYO (so that he always can 'confirm' himself as Town) or was VisceraEyes correct when he told me (in an earlier Round) that Robik plays weird tricks like this regardless of his affiliation? @Everyone – no comments on this? In retrospect ExO's filter is somewhat weird, though: #605 is him finding suspicious stuff about EVERYONE which seems like "shitflinging" (to quote someone earlier in this Thread). One of the null-reads he ends up with is the Team he has been most vocal about analyzing earlier on, aka bunnies/poofter. Hmmmm actually, #1091 is also weird -- namely because I realize that ExO never commented on sqrt (after sqrt started posting, that is) and he's only considering the Lynch in light of Slam's antics... IMO, sqrt's contradictions were definitely the more damning point of the case, so I find it interesting that ExO would only give the Slam-spam as reasoning for considering the Lynch. Especially since he says that he has caught up with the Thread. Annnnd #1091 DOES reek a lil like distancing-oneself-from-a-Mislynch-to-appear-better. All-in-all, ExO seems to end up surprisingly often sitting on the fence about the topics he discusses. (The above should also answer you, Robik. You two are a slot so ofc I want to hear about your meta when ExO's pinging me.) | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
I don't see anything wrong with marv's Glow/Haru -points when he expressed his suspicion. The timing can be seen as weird but, OTOH, when I picture either Town!marv genuinely believing in the cause or Scum!marv trying to sneakily sow confusion, I don't see how the timing would be different in either case? 2) I think this is something we should hear mderg himself respond to, actually. 3) Likewise, I'd prefer hearing marv's answer to this so that you raising this concern actually serves a purpose.  Btw Eden and OK, why exactly are Glow/Haru Town IYO? | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
Care to comment my concerns re: ExO? Also do you guys know whether what Haru's saying about Robik's meta is correct or whether what I heard from Viscera is trufax0rz? Everyone's ignoring me because I've been afk a lot.  | ||
|
TheSlenderMan
Finland70 Posts
If it's any consolidation, this lack of activity was a freak occurence and definitely NOT something that's common for me, and you guys seemed like fun folks to play with. So gg y'all. Definitely agree that in general this kind of a Hydra-setup is challenging though not impossible for Mafia. If I was GMing, I'd seriously consider actually only ever including one Power Role for Town and having the two-possible-Town-Roles as a red herring so Scum would have more chances to fakeclaim and/or question the legitimate Town-claims? Or give the Scumteam a way to know which Town-roles are in play without having to successfully Rolecop. Like, the Scum-roles are not the same with every possible Town-role -combination, and the Scumteam can therefore narrow down/downright deduce what Town-roles could be/are in play. | ||
| ||
