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On July 12 2014 08:42 Alakaslam wrote:You should think about this statement Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 08:30 Eden1892 wrote:
Is the scum qt too cluttered to coach sqrt there Slam? And tell me why we are now confirmed town or else you can lynch lurkers before us and get a guaranteed win. Otherwise I will point it out & u look phoolish
I don't care
Does that answer help me lynch scum?
If so then I will care
If not and until I see that it does idgaf
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Lmfao Slam pls
The clock strikes 10:30 and I'm skipping brunch
You look much tastier than cap'n crunch
Better find scum or you're gonna be lunch
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Child pls you aren't even reading the thread
How tf are you gonna find scum by not reading lmao
Slam blatant disinterest in finding mafia, sqrt not posting from townie perspective at all
That's why we're lynching this slot today
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It's not a thing
Shiny Ursaring will you lynch Slamroot with me
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Will that reading assignment help me catch scum in this game Slam?
I am currently mobile posting cause power is out. If it is relevant I have time to read. If it is not then it is too inconvenient to read on mobile. Pls advise
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Sir, I'm a middle-class workin man from the Deep South. I ain't worried about hoity-toity high-falutin' strange speak, I'm worried about results and with due respect, you ain't deliverin'
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Don't care about pardners yet unflipped associations r lulz
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I'm with bunnies all these top tier vets are unimpressive
But screw looking for scum in them right now let's lynch Slamroot
Sqrt are you going to address anything against you or can I start doing unflipped associations
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So you are gonna address stuff against you?? Great!! When?
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On July 12 2014 11:33 Chairman Ray wrote:Hey, look what happens with a little pressure. Don't worry about this game too much. Slam is a wonderful mentor. Learn from him and you'll do great next game!
Wtf kinna post is this? All it's missing is an "Aw shucks, cheer up scumbuddy, we'll get 'em next time!"
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Slenderman bro
Imma be honest I tl;dr'd your argument here, will you kill Slamroot today and then we can discuss Shiny Ursaring tomorrow? Slamroot is clearly scum IMO and I don't really know what to think of Shiny Ursaring so I would rather we kill Slamroot and go from there
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Oh OK I x-posted
Proposal stands hopefully you will accept
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On July 12 2014 14:17 TheSlenderMan wrote:
But that doesn't mean the rest of the topics of discussion should die
trufax, ignoring Slamroot for now
right now I would only be okay with killing the following teams (listed in order in 2nd post of thread):
- WeDemandALawyer
- Magic Computer
- GoodCopBadCop
- M&M
of those I like Magic Computer, GoodCopBadCop and M&M the most for potential next-lynches
I'm not trying to ignore your case on WeDemandALawyer, promise, it's just weird to me that none of those slots have done anything I really remember/consider important
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Shiny Ursaring can you please explain why all three of your non-Slamroot suspects come from two of the most vocal anti-Slamroot slots in the game
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On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.
why am I anywhere in the stratosphere of your scumreads then
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are you fucking serious lmfao
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ok friends here is a post count thus far, each number corresponds to the teams in the OP and the parentheses numbers are each poster
1: 31 posts (020/011)
2: 36 posts (025/011)
3: 99 posts (044/055)
4: 123 posts (031/092)
5: 64 posts (043/021)
6: 21 posts (009/012)
7: 80 posts (008/072)
8: 93 posts (077/016)
9: 89 posts (011/078)
10: 91 posts (076/015)
preliminary thoughts by team:
- slot 1 can stay, low posting but slenderman is doing work IMO, not killing this slot
- slot 2 is whatever i'll sort it out later but i would be ok killing it
- slot 3 is scum, we're killing today
- slot 4 is memorable as town + high-posting so we're not killing this slot
- slot 5 is oddly unmemorable for >60 posts, would be okay killing
- slot 6 TBD, low post count and not memorable but a lot of that is Koshi replacing in
- slot 7 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 8 is funny because robik said he wasn't gonna talk but then has a bunch of posts. also we're not killing this slot because it's memorable as town + high-posting
- slot 9 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 10 is unmemorable despite a lot of posting, would be okay killing this slot
tl;dr:
- slot 3 scum
- slots 1, 4, 7, 8, 9 are off the table
- slot 6 tbd
- slots 2, 6, 10 look good, probably in that order
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also heads up:
On July 12 2014 15:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 14:41 TheSlenderMan wrote:
GlowingBear please filter my posts and comment on the case against you. I don't have many posts yet so the relevant posts are easy to find. [spoiler]Alright. --Your first case: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 11:02 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Still nowhere near caught up but I want to
##vote: Unvote
##vote: Team WeDemandALawyer
Haru seems to have no incentive to Scumhunt, yet gives absurd Town-passes to Palmar (most noticeably) and later to Robik/ExO (when asked about the 'meh' comment). He/She also fumbled with his/her explanations (about the Glowinghand-defense) when pressured -- seems like a 'guilty conscience' that wasn't prepared to meet a sudden, hard-hitting question. (This bit, for instance: "Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven." Smells like trying to come up with a Pro-Town motive for something that has already been explained before in several posts -- why not say that commenting on the Kenpachi-argument was a plan devised together as Hydras when questions were first asked from Haru, instead of coming up with this motive only after it had drawn enough attention to be more than one Vote? Isn't this also a direct contradiction to saying earlier that Haru can't speak on Glowinghand's behalf?!) When did I turn into a hand? lol Kenpachi-argument wasn't a plan devised together as Hydras. I've used the QT to get his opinion about this policy. It was the same as mine. I decided to post about it because I think it was turning into a main point when it should be a secondary argument, and accessory argument. Saying it could be scum driven is not necessarily saying it was certainly scum driven. It was my way of saying that "watch out, you are getting something as certain while it is not, so keep it as a secondary argument and let's focus on a primary one". Haru can't speak on my behalf. We are a team but we don't share the same account nor the same ideas. I have suspicions on Robik. He said he likes Robik. We have different views while inside the same team, and I don't get why it is not natural. Ok, now on your bigger case: --Your second case: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 13:45 TheSlenderMan wrote:(1)Take a look at Glowing's filter, as well. No indication there that he wanted to 'watch out for the kenpachi argument because [we] felt it might be scum driven.' In fact, the comment Glowing makes of the 'argument' is quite a polar opposite to this claim (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=19#380). He sits on the fence as well as one can, regarding that subject. (2)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=25#499 Haru says here that they were excited to play but not excited to talk about the Kenpachi-rule for 10 pages. Indicates that they did talk something together. (3)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#503 Haru says that he and Glow should definitely comment on the Kenpachi-discussion -- the only motive I can glean from this post for that is that it was a 'hot topic' in the Thread for a long while. He doesn't say that they should, for instance, try to find possible Scummioso initiative in the initiation of the 'argument'. (And in fact, Haru doesn't seem to ever look for Scum. Not even when Voting for rayn.) (4)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#510 Haru, again, reiterates that it was important for one of them to comment on the topic that took considerable amounts of threadspace. He says that they, as a Hydra, definitely wanted to talk ABOUT the Topic but nothing else. (5)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#511 No Scumhunting prior to this post, then all of a sudden Palmar gets a FREE Town-pass for absolutely no reason at all. Alarm bells, they be a-ringin'! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=26#516 Here Haru says he cannot speak on Glow's behalf... (6)http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=27#539 ...and here suddenly bringing the topic up was planned together. (' I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.') Why not say that in the first place? And how does this alleged 'collective intention' show at all from the posts (by Glow) in question? Like, the whole notion about a 'collection intention' seems like an afterthought which actually doesn't fit either of their actions. Clearly they HAD discussed something regarding the on-thread discussion, but it doesn't seem like it was what Haru said in #539. Here's what Glow thought about the Kenpachi 'argument': Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?Here's what Haru says they thought about the Ken-arg: OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.I don't see this as consistent. (1) Answered above (2) It indicates we did talk and got the same opinion that it would be harmful to town to extend discussion regarding kenpachi policy at the time (3) As I said, in his posts he is never implying that the usage of kenpachi rule should be analyzed as possible scum maneuver. What he said is that it could be scum driven. And it could. But it's not a safe ground to walk on. So, why wasting breath on that policy? (4) Hmm, I guess you're getting the wrong interpretation of what he meant? I'll quote his post: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 21:46 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 21:43 Palmar wrote:On July 11 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:On July 11 2014 21:34 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. Yeah I don't mind this. I noted this too, and that I wasn't sure I believed the phone = behind excuse. Was also confused when bunnies said she liked this post, although I guess that was just because it was taking her side. - M&M I don't get what you mean If either me or glowingbear, who came in just a few pages after the kenpachi rule fiasco (that was 10+ pages long), we should definitely be saying something about it. Awkward time or not, we have to talk about it. That's it. You don't have to believe the phone=behind excuse at all. After all, being behind or ahead will not change our answer. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear That's completely incorrect and I'd actually shoot you guys right now if a) I had a gun, and b) you guys were the same person. Because this idea that you have to talk about it, is super inconsistent with glowingbear's opinion that: On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
So why is he wasting his breath? So I guess here is where the problem lies I am not the same person as glowingbear and even though we are the same entity now, we are just a conjoined twin. My stance is that if glowingbear did not talk about the kenpachi rule thing, I would have talked about it. He never said he should talk about the topic and nothing else. This is you putting words in his mouth, dude. He said that, if I had not said anything about the poor usage of kenpachi rule, he would say. That's all. (5) In the context, he doesn't like what Palmar said. So that's why he considered OMGUSing. But he didn't want to OMGUS because it was early. Moreover, Haru played with Palmar before and probably has a good view of his meta, so why OMGUSing if he could have a hunch? (6) It's a team game. Again, I have a suspicion on Robik. Haru likes him. We are two heads in the same team, we think differently. However, sometimes, we have the same opinion, as for the kenpachi policy. He thought that, as a team mate who knows my alignment, he should defend be against attackers because (i) he knew my opinion on that, which was the same as his and (ii) when I'm attacked, he is also attacked because we are a team. I tried to answer it properly, but I am really tired. 3am here. Also, as even Haru said, we are a team but we are not the same person. He could answer you better because you've brought much more Haru's posts than mine. TBH, I don't really understand why you find these posts scummy lol
i'm not reading this shit or anything of similar length. if i go back on this and read it later consider it a merciful blessing by the grace of god but do not expect me to comment on anything this long because i won't
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