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On July 12 2014 12:11 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 11:39 Stratiform wrote:Koshi/CR is a good guess for mafia. Chairman Ray:On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 05:50 Stratiform wrote:Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia. On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective. Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment. Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy. You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind. ##vote: Team Magic Computer His second post in the game and it's voting on an easy target. He then proceeds to tunnel me for pretty much the entire time he was in the thread. His away post then randomly throws accusation on bunnies, not sure if that comment is mean to be taken seriously. Also, he barely acknowledges anything else that is going on in the thread. On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well. That's all he posts aside from tunneling me pretty much. As for Koshi:On July 12 2014 08:40 Koshi wrote:On July 12 2014 08:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 12 2014 08:33 Koshi wrote:
K I have read everything. My head is superheavy atm.
There is like no direction in this thread. Everything is a blur.
But because I am totally awesome I got this for you all:
Eden seems town.
ExO_ seems town.
If I really have to call somebody scum I would go for Stratiform. My junior is pretty good. I am obviously new senior.
Anyhoezels I need sleep. Well when you wake up I will wonder why ExO_, Vanilla town claim, and also funny. Eden junior from Robik and also made that list post. Also the joke where Robik is filthy bathwater. Hilarious stuff. And no reason to why Stratiform is town. Also does he play a lot with rayn? Cuz I don't see why rayn is town. Don't know why he knows. Also he said he may or not may be back. So scummy. ezpz This post is the one that stood out to me. ExO being town is a fairly common read by this point, and no one is really attacking Eden either. His only scumread is a sheep of his partner with a half-assed justification. The ninjabunnies thing was a joke btw. But why do you feel that you are an easy target?
I was an easy target at the time because pretty much anything said about me at that point was negative. OnceKing and Bunnies had called my earlier posts bad, and on page 42 where I return, Slenderman casts a casual vote on me and Robik suspects me as mafia before you made your vote.
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On July 12 2014 12:30 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 12:17 Stratiform wrote:On July 12 2014 12:11 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 11:39 Stratiform wrote:Koshi/CR is a good guess for mafia. Chairman Ray:On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 05:50 Stratiform wrote:Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia. On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective. Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment. Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy. You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind. ##vote: Team Magic Computer His second post in the game and it's voting on an easy target. He then proceeds to tunnel me for pretty much the entire time he was in the thread. His away post then randomly throws accusation on bunnies, not sure if that comment is mean to be taken seriously. Also, he barely acknowledges anything else that is going on in the thread. On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well. That's all he posts aside from tunneling me pretty much. As for Koshi:On July 12 2014 08:40 Koshi wrote:On July 12 2014 08:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 12 2014 08:33 Koshi wrote:
K I have read everything. My head is superheavy atm.
There is like no direction in this thread. Everything is a blur.
But because I am totally awesome I got this for you all:
Eden seems town.
ExO_ seems town.
If I really have to call somebody scum I would go for Stratiform. My junior is pretty good. I am obviously new senior.
Anyhoezels I need sleep. Well when you wake up I will wonder why ExO_, Vanilla town claim, and also funny. Eden junior from Robik and also made that list post. Also the joke where Robik is filthy bathwater. Hilarious stuff. And no reason to why Stratiform is town. Also does he play a lot with rayn? Cuz I don't see why rayn is town. Don't know why he knows. Also he said he may or not may be back. So scummy. ezpz This post is the one that stood out to me. ExO being town is a fairly common read by this point, and no one is really attacking Eden either. His only scumread is a sheep of his partner with a half-assed justification. The ninjabunnies thing was a joke btw. But why do you feel that you are an easy target? I was an easy target at the time because pretty much anything said about me at that point was negative. OnceKing and Bunnies had called my earlier posts bad, and on page 42 where I return, Slenderman casts a casual vote on me and Robik suspects me as mafia before you made your vote. Given that 4 different teams already had a scumread on you. Do you still believe that it's not reasonable for other town (ie myself) to have a scumread on you as well? I'll brb in few hours.
I'm not saying you're mafia because you voted me, or scumread me. What I don't like is the tunneling on me to the point of disregarding the rest of the game. But, you're back now, and you've stopped tunneling. I view this as a good thing. I've never played with you before, but I've heard that you make some good d1 analysis, which I would like to see some more of.
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I think he's referring to this one
On July 11 2014 23:15 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Haru, i got a simple question for you:
Do you think there was any point in you trying to defend your team against Palmar's accusation (the point where he specifically calls out GlowingBear)? How would you say you can contribute to the matter in any way if you don't know what your teammate's intentions behind his posting were in the first place? Yes. There is a point to defending. This is a team game ffs. I don't just lurk and see glowingbear get attacked while I talk about other things. That is way more scummy. and bad. I can contribute by showing OUR collective intention. Which was to watch out for the kenpachi argument because we felt it might be scum driven.
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I know slam normally posts to be unreadable, but I have never seen or heard him go from a somewhat legitimate defense to spamming pictures for a page because someone asked him why he is town, or whatever ever reason he did that.
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On July 12 2014 22:15 mderg wrote:I like lynching Team WeDemandALawyer much more than lynching Team Cabernet Sauvignon. I didn´t like GlowingBears contribution regarding the kenpachi rule. It was actually saying very little besides that it shouldn´t be discussed much. Seemed like a political type of post without any conclusion. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Haru´s defense of GlowingBear also didn´t really help. While I don´t think that defending your partner is alignment indicative in any way it was unclear for me what they discussed about the kenpachi rule in their quicktopic. What I don´t like about Haru are his townreads for questionable reasons. "palmer is confirmed town for saying he is confirmed town" just makes no sense. I as townie do not townread others for saying that they are town (Robik  ). I also don´t understand why he townread Robik here Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Nothing in that Robik post stands out as town to me. There´s also no explanation for that read, so I see it as buddying with Robik. We all know that being on Robik´s good side makes things much easier. I´d say it was a calculated move. It´s also difficult to understand how they´re individually reading other players here. After these posts I have no idea how Haru is reading Robik and Exo anymore. While GlowingBear is supposedly scumreading them. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 19:16 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 18:54 marvellosity wrote:I'm at my best friend's wedding today, so I'm leaving things in mderg's capable hands. He's probably going to make the final decision, not sure if/when I'll be able to check my phone. Few things I noted, mebbe they're useful or will be, maybe not. With slam/sqrt, check how easy the wagon is, I don't see any pushback for the lynch. I don't really get this weird martyring behaviour from a team of 2, you'd expect at least one of them to prop up the other. I don't know what that means. They're both unstable? Or it's a ploy? ?? I'm not used to Slam insulting the thread like this. That doesn't make me feel good. I'm tentatively ok with this lynch but with reservations I guess. Stratiform doesn't look quite so bad. Not sure about Palmar. Not gonna be around to judge him on today's play so meh. Poofter didn't bother playing. Many scumpoints. I've felt ok about bunnies, but Poofter dragging her down. Probably not lynch but I don't trust. Right now I like Haru/Glowing for mafia most. On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages.
I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here.
Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys.
On July 12 2014 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
But I didn't said that... geez...
I had suspicions on you, which doesn't mean you're necessarily suspicious of overly friendly behavior or passivity... that's why I'll filter dive you, so I can get a better view of what gave me the feeling that you were suspicious.
My main scumhunting is attacking passivity/friendly behavior. It's not may only scumhunting method.
Throws in random names (Robik, ExO, Eden) and a couple of times states that he scumhunts through passivity and friendly behaviour. These 3 names don't make much (any?) sense in this context. Robik the most abrasive of them all, Eden has been active, ExO's argued his corner firmly enough. His description of what he's looking for -> these 3 names doesn't seem natural to me. He brings up Robik as suspicious again in a later post but again never explains why, again it is the opposite of what he's looking for in mafia. sqrt/Slam may have been passive to some extent maybe? They've been quite prickly too. There seems to be a whole bunch of other targets that conform to his self-professed view. Basically I find the 3 names he throws in, together with his self-styled description of scumhunting, together with how he introduced sqrt/slam as scummy after that, very suspicious indeed. My best bet for mafia right now. Really? From what I read, robik is playing weird at first. He isn't coming into the thread and turning it into a shitstorm. This is acceptable at first since he noted his intent to let exo learn. Also, his strong will to kill anyone who thinks he is scum (town|robik does this) makes me think he is scum. But glowingbear probably doesn't meta read him and thus it is also acceptable for glowingbear to have a suspicion on him. Glowingbear isn't just throwing out names. We had discussed about these people in the qt and my opinions differs from glowing's in these regards. Thus, glowingbear isnt just writing them off as scum as I have a conflicting opinion.Exo doesn't post jackshit d1 as town btw. eden doesn't make sense? Read the thread bro Sqrt/slam IS passive. Their posts were mostly replies and shit. So glowingbear is scum for saying he wants to scumhunt through passivity, but others who aren't doing shit isn't suspicious? (LIKE MDERG) Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 19:31 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:25 Eden1892 wrote:On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 19:19 Eden1892 wrote:
haru can you restate that for me? i straight up don't understand how your responses match up with what marv is saying Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy this didn't actually happen, you gave an explanation of how robik might have been shady to someone with no meta experience and then just handwaved the rest/didn't explain it What the fuck I explained that exo doesn't post jackshit as town on d1 He literally posts close to nothing That giant read post of his is inherently scummy due to ^ Glowingbear have not posted his long wall of read yet, be patient. Also to note is that GlowingBear has quite a few posts mentioning not being there or why he´s posting slowly. + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:@sinani: I'm using a mobile and also working writing a novel, so I'm pretty slow ATM lol. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 12:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear I like this post. Townie points. Btw: How happy are you with your team name this game? Do you need to call a lawyer? The"Double"D I love my team name! Everybody needs lawyers, regardless their actions. Someone most protect both victims and perpetrators. And I'm here for that! You can use my services by calling 87879-6969. (Not a real number) -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Or put the grapes on spoiler :p
Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now.
Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread. On July 12 2014 07:41 GlowingBear wrote:
OMG just got back home and BOOM 45 pages to read.
Gonna take a shower, skim through the pages, filter dive my strongest scum read and give a case. Then, if I get enough energy, I'll filter dive other people's scum reads to give my opinion.
God, it will take a while.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, I've read enough. I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful: Half-ass summary: + Show Spoiler +
A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense.
B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious.
C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22.
D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them.
E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24.
F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26.
G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27
H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim.
I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him.
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages. I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here. Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes: sqrt's friendly quotes: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature. On July 12 2014 00:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 13:00 OnceKing wrote:
i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is.
This may come to prove important. On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. ![[image loading]](http://www.banfiwines.com/wp-content/uploads/cabernet-sauvignon-670x390.jpg) On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Okay, rayn is first on my list. Town. Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also this is from my notes regarding my earlier post:
I felt like Eden is running out of arguments after the Kenpachi gambit. After the stuff he said does not sell to people he soft-calls out poofer for something really awful.
Also poofer's post was bad because this is not a normal hydra game and reading two people as one is a bad strategy, if someone is scummy they are likely to be scum. It does not matter how townie the other half looks.
Let's see if Palmar is paying attention to the game. He should most likely say these things in case he is town. On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys.Haru, a question for you. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Why were you waiting for robik to say this? On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him.Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot. Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it. But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff. Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting? On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read. I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners. He made a push on Palmar, though: sqrt's vote on Palmar's: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. Stratiform, I don't have a clue. But this is my best read so far. They're mafia. ##Vote: Team Magic Computer Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads. If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all. But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one: Hi Post from Alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 23:13 Alakaslam wrote:Well Hi So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now. Slam gotta do better to change my vote. GlowingBear gives a scumread on Team Cabernet Sauvignon, the main point being that sqrt is not giving strong reads. (Note: at this point Team Cabernet Sauvignon is already under heavy pressure) So you can´t call this "going out on the battlefield". (complete case spoilered above) Overall they look pretty bad. There´s not that much behind their posts and the townreads feel like they´re given for free while the scumreads are OMGUS on rayn which is easy to get out of because it´s "just" OMGUS and an easy scumread on Team Cabernet Sauvignon (mostly sqrt). ##vote Team WeDemandALawyer
I like your GlowingBear part of our argument, but your Haru section is lacking a little. You mainly focus on his townreads, one of which is for a sarcastic reason.
I'd also like to point out that Haru townreads Robik for calling out Poofter/Bunnies for having different opinions, where he himself has a different opinion from his partner.
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On July 13 2014 00:53 Koshi wrote:
When is the lynch? It's long right?
Lynch is in 10 ish hours. 10pm EDT
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Yeah, I'm beginning to agree on sqrt-1.
On July 13 2014 01:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Anyone with at least half a brain should be able to see that, if they filterdive them both.
You have half a brain, you should be able to explain your reads better than that.
Especially since you gave a townread to them early on.
I'll be back later, some time before the lynch.
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Okay, I'm back. My reads haven't really changed, and I'm still okay with the current lynch. Even if Slam/sqrt is town, they haven't really been playing to win. Giving up halfway through the day is not a very pro-town move.
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On July 13 2014 09:01 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 08:42 Stratiform wrote:
Okay, I'm back. My reads haven't really changed, and I'm still okay with the current lynch. Even if Slam/sqrt is town, they haven't really been playing to win. Giving up halfway through the day is not a very pro-town move. Comments like this make me want to lynch the shit out of you. Even though such sentiments were offered up earlier by other people, I think this wording is worse.
Alright, makes sense. I say the same things that other people say but in a different way, and that somehow makes me a lynch candidate.
I'm just posting what I think, Robik. I said I'd be back before the lynch, and here I am. I don't really have anything radical to say.
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On July 13 2014 09:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 09:13 Palmar wrote:On July 13 2014 09:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 13 2014 09:10 Palmar wrote:On July 13 2014 09:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 13 2014 09:06 Palmar wrote:On July 13 2014 09:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 13 2014 09:02 IAmRobik wrote:On July 13 2014 08:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Awww. Mderg. Didn't see your post. My bad.
Yeah, so my case isn't 100%.
But it's the best I've got so far.
other people I'm reading as town. Koshi and CR, I'm not. IT's what makes the most sense to me.
Sqrt, I'd like to know why OK is scum?
Also, smart or mafia? Can you not be a smart mafia?
And does smart mean I'm a smart town?
So many questions. SCUM TELL!!! SCUM TELL!!! SCUM TELL!!! SCUM TELL!!! SCUM TELL!!! You obviously have no humor. Tis a joke Rob. A Joke. Wow such mafia, trying to play off scummy shit as jokes. haha how was that scummy? I'm not that stupid to where I would slip such a thing as that. I asked that in order to see where Sqrts thinking is. He said I'm smart, or mafia. If he thinks the first, he obv thinks Im town. So why is that? So wait, you just said it was a joke, but now you're trying to say you had a point? You can't do both... Saying can't mafia be smart was a joke. The post has a point. So yes, I can do both. Ah, so you basically admit that you're mafia. Good to know, for future reference of course. Not even admitting to being mafia. I can't admit to anything other than being town, and that you are completely twisting the words I say. But go ahead. Be my guest. Let's see what other people jump on this nonsense.
I think you're taking Palmar a bit too seriously, bunnies.
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On July 13 2014 09:55 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 09:53 Palmar wrote:On July 13 2014 09:50 Eden1892 wrote:
What am I Tony Stark I feel like this dude is either someone who dies early or a donkey
Either that or Iron Man
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On July 13 2014 09:58 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 09:43 Palmar wrote:
Robik if faced with the question: "Are Palmar/Strat Mafia?" And the consequences of a wrong answer being forced into slavery cleaning poofter's navel fluff for a year, how would you answer?
More scummy than towny. You did claim scum, so calling you scum can't be wrong. It's a really weird feeling to not have a read on you from the very get-go. I usually read you well.
Say hello to Poofter's fluff then for me
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Okay here's how I feel about the respective groups, as not much else is going on right now:
Town:
Exo/Robik- I liked ExO's list post, but he hasn't been here much from then on. Although, Exo isn't really known to be super active D1. Robik is giving reads, and going with his gut. However incorrect his read on me is, I feel like that post is coming form town. He looks like he's targeting me because I've seemed cautious/fluffy, and as town, I'm sure he'd want to pressure someone who's acting oddly to step up and act town.
Sinani/OK- This is based purely on OnceKing's actions. He has a great thread presence and seems comfortable steering the town in the direction that he believes to be the best. He has diverse interactions, and seems like he wants to understand the motives of each person in this thread before deciding who is scum.
Goodkarma/Eden- Also based purely on Eden's actions. He found someone who he believed wholeheartedly to be bad for town, and is pushing his lynch with all his effort, WITH good arguments. What more could you ask for from a town.
Neutral:
Rayn/Slender- rayn I felt good about at first, but he sort of dropped out of the chat. Slender seemed like he was trying with his Haru case, but he kept pushing it when people pointed out flaws in his logic. I'm not sure what to think about this. Aside from that, there isn't a lot of substance to work with from this group.
Haru/GlowingBear- Haru still hasn't done anything to make me believe he is mafia or town, but he has done enough to make it known that he's pretty touchy when it comes to accusations against him. Glowingbear has seemed to fall into a habit of getting behind in the thread, making a massive post, and then getting behind again. He's trying, but he does not have a lot of presence. Null for now.
Marv/Mderg- Marv has been gone and mderg has some decent stuff tbh. I like his pressure on Eden, but it comes later once there is already a wagon. I considered making a "leaning town" section just for this group, but I felt that I didn't have enough of a town tell. I'm fine with letting this group by until day 2, and hopefully they can be put in my town list.
Leaning Mafia:
Koshi/CR- I made my point about them earlier on, and neither of them have really done anything to disprove me. CR is still barely here, and his only defense to Bunnies' case was "hm, interesting case." Then AFK. Koshi hasn't been necessarily scummy so far, but I can't give a neutral read because half of the team is acting bearable.
Slam/Sqrt- Looking at Slam's pots, he posts a lot of complaining and anger about reads on him without a lot of defense. sqrt-1 is not explaining his reads, even when prodded. On top of that, he blatantly gave up halfway through the day, thinking that the day was ending. Would town not pay attention to day end? Would town just concede on a mislynch without posting why, and then refuse to explain their reads? If you answered yes to either of those questions, then you're bad.
Poofter/Bunnies- Poofter has been away for most of the day, which as other people said, fits his scum meta. Bunnies is overreacting to pretty much every accusation thrown at her, whether the accuser was joking or not. I'm not getting a town vibe from these two.
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@Koshi, do you still scumread me?
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Oh hey, the game is done. So, out of curiosity, did mafia give reasons for those night 1 kills?
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On July 17 2014 07:23 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 03:22 Palmar wrote:
I guess if people are interested we can post the convo. Guessing you just called town bad. No big deal.
Not too far off. His initial advice was
step 1: hope you don't roll mafia
step 2: call everyone who calls you mafia bad
step 3: win game
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