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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 16 2014 18:22 GMT
#2641
I guess if people are interested we can post the convo.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2014 18:57 GMT
#2642
being mad at someone for claiming VT is hilarious btw


even more so when he ended up being blue which was what poofter was berating him for in the first place
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
July 16 2014 19:14 GMT
#2643
On July 17 2014 01:15 Palmar wrote:
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On July 17 2014 01:03 OnceKing wrote:
Ok I'm awake, here's my perspective of the game.

First off I think the game is quite townsided. The reason why I feel this way is because of the numbers -- the amount of townies is doubled making it much easier to PoE the game. I know that the number of scum is doubled too but I feel like doubling the amount of scum had less of an impact. AND the RNG took an enormous dump on mafia, holy shit. That's just bad luck.


Super agree with the bolded. Notice for example how I eliminated OK's and Eden's team based on them and not their partners, and how ExO was instrumental in making Robik readable.

For townies it's twice the chance of doing someting that looks really town, and for mafia it's twice the chance of messing up.

Yeah, this is what makes Hydra games hard.

Warning: Shameful plugging ahead.

This is why people should totally play in a Hydra game where the alignment of the Hydra partners is not guaranteed to be the same, like this game: "Hydra Mafia"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 16 2014 21:28 GMT
#2644
Crossfire we tried that once, it was a disaster because it was not mafia. ^^
table for two on a tv tray
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
July 16 2014 22:23 GMT
#2645
On July 17 2014 03:22 Palmar wrote:
I guess if people are interested we can post the convo.


Guessing you just called town bad. No big deal.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 16 2014 22:33 GMT
#2646
On July 16 2014 21:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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tie vote count, all the actives in the thread agitating hard for rayn to be lynched and you say it's likely that nothing would have happened? i'll grant that i'm biased because i was one of the biggest agitators but i really don't see how you can say that. i would bet everyone else itt at the time tells you that it was close all the way, even robik who was ride-or-die on the poofter lynch and Based God harubear who switched at literally the last second.

i would buy this more if you hadn't outright said
On July 16 2014 10:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn lynch is alright too I guess.

with one minute to go, i mean seriously, how can you act like nothing was going to happen lol. it was obviously close all the way through, you acknowledge it yourself with this comment, you can't tell me that scum in your spot would just be like "oh well nothing's gonna happen time to afk"

re: Robik, i agree that the "i don't even care if you are town" comment was bullshit and terrible but contextually it didn't/doesn't read like scum pushing it too hard, it reads like mad as hell Robik getting roped into a fight regardless of alignment. it's null to me. he was obviously just pissy cause i'm better @ pushing lynches than he is

and so what if he was pushing town hard over scum? also null, if he's town he doesn't know either alignment and is pushing on his best read and just happens to be wrong. if he's scum you could just as easily argue that robik is going to be hesitant to push so hard on town knowing that he's saving scum...

of course that ignores the REAL explanation which is that robik had pushed so hard the whole time on poofybunnies... which is not definitively a townie trait, but is certainly more townie than scummy. if he's town then it makes sense that he's going to push hard on his scum read and push even harder as it becomes less certain that his read gets lynched. if he's scum, then once it came down to rayn vs poofy he had already committed with a hard push and has taken an excellent weapon in this scenario, the bus, off the table. why, as scum, commit to poofy as a fake scumread from the beginning of the game if it could mean that you end up with your hands tied in the event that town figured out your partner and you needed to bus? robik clearly left his options about as closed as possible, which doesn't necessarily make him town, but would be a bad play if he's scum.

this whole post kind of exemplifies the problem i'm having with your team, artanis. you and koshi are good players. but i feel like this case on robik is weak... it's the kind of "he was vocally wrong! he must be the bad guy!" lynch that i expect out of newbie townies who don't think through a situation logically and run with the first strong emotion they feel about a major event. and remember that tell we discussed earlier about harubear that turned out to be right? the path of least resistance vs most resistance? robik is by far and away the path of least resistance outside of your slot right now because he got beamed in the face with a carton of ostrich eggs when rayn flipped scum. path of least resistance isn't always scummy but when it's coupled with, frankly, pretty crappy arguing? yeah it looks scummy to me.

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Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 16 2014 22:33 GMT
#2647
On July 16 2014 22:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Holyflare has been replaced for inactivity. I will announce a replacement shortly.


This is my favorite post. Best Mod NA.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 16 2014 22:33 GMT
#2648
On July 16 2014 22:56 IAmRobik wrote:
Banks,

You have no right to get mad at me for thinking you're mafia when you haven't done dick all game until the final 2 hours. That's pretty much your mafia MO


I felt bunnies was doing a good job. I did what you said you were going to do. I let her take the front. I stepped up when it mattered. I'm just glad your only read on me is inactivity.

Also Happy Birthday I killed the mafia for you
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 16 2014 22:35 GMT
#2649
you should be banned and i am not feeling for you poofer (and this is before i got my alignment).
shame on you.
table for two on a tv tray
TheSlenderMan
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland70 Posts
July 16 2014 23:19 GMT
#2650
I apologize for being so afk -- while Town definitely played well and the Townread-Process of Elimination that could be done was Toxic for us, a large part of our failure was that me and rayn both had our hands full (and the Phase Change -time was a most inopportune one). I don't think we could've avoided getting Lynched after Poofter convinced the Thread and Haru claimed (and there was no questioning of the claim), even if we had been around.

If it's any consolidation, this lack of activity was a freak occurence and definitely NOT something that's common for me, and you guys seemed like fun folks to play with. So gg y'all.

Definitely agree that in general this kind of a Hydra-setup is challenging though not impossible for Mafia. If I was GMing, I'd seriously consider actually only ever including one Power Role for Town and having the two-possible-Town-Roles as a red herring so Scum would have more chances to fakeclaim and/or question the legitimate Town-claims? Or give the Scumteam a way to know which Town-roles are in play without having to successfully Rolecop. Like, the Scum-roles are not the same with every possible Town-role -combination, and the Scumteam can therefore narrow down/downright deduce what Town-roles could be/are in play.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 16 2014 23:36 GMT
#2651
On July 17 2014 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you should be banned and i am not feeling for you poofer (and this is before i got my alignment).
shame on you.


For the bh game? I stepped back and realized I was being selfish I'm taking the ban and sitting out twitter verse which looks fun as fuck.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 16 2014 23:38 GMT
#2652
On July 17 2014 08:36 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 17 2014 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you should be banned and i am not feeling for you poofer (and this is before i got my alignment).
shame on you.


For the bh game? I stepped back and realized I was being selfish I'm taking the ban and sitting out twitter verse which looks fun as fuck.

I think that your use of video mafia was out of line and not in the spirit of this game
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 16 2014 23:40 GMT
#2653
On July 17 2014 08:36 Tehpoofter wrote:
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you should be banned and i am not feeling for you poofer (and this is before i got my alignment).
shame on you.


For the bh game? I stepped back and realized I was being selfish I'm taking the ban and sitting out twitter verse which looks fun as fuck.

yes. so ok.
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2014 23:47 GMT
#2654
On July 17 2014 08:38 IAmRobik wrote:
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On July 17 2014 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you should be banned and i am not feeling for you poofer (and this is before i got my alignment).
shame on you.


For the bh game? I stepped back and realized I was being selfish I'm taking the ban and sitting out twitter verse which looks fun as fuck.

I think that your use of video mafia was out of line and not in the spirit of this game


Actually agree with that
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 16 2014 23:53 GMT
#2655
On July 17 2014 08:38 IAmRobik wrote:
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On July 17 2014 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you should be banned and i am not feeling for you poofer (and this is before i got my alignment).
shame on you.


For the bh game? I stepped back and realized I was being selfish I'm taking the ban and sitting out twitter verse which looks fun as fuck.

I think that your use of video mafia was out of line and not in the spirit of this game



I honestly didn't do it intentionally. I wouldn't do it again. I was mainly saying "I'm afk" or busy would have been better but I didn't think about that someone might look at me playing and read me from that.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 16 2014 23:55 GMT
#2656
On July 17 2014 02:59 goodkarma wrote:
Are hydra QTs going to be posted BTW?

Not that important, but would be interesting to see how the town internally read the game as it progressed.



This is our Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/bxHkih9bbjtmu
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 17 2014 00:01 GMT
#2657
Robik easiest townread NA
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 17 2014 00:13 GMT
#2658
On July 17 2014 09:01 HaruRH wrote:
Robik easiest townread NA


And largest donkey.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 17 2014 02:24 GMT
#2659
Oh hey, the game is done. So, out of curiosity, did mafia give reasons for those night 1 kills?
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 17 2014 02:27 GMT
#2660
On July 17 2014 07:23 goodkarma wrote:
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On July 17 2014 03:22 Palmar wrote:
I guess if people are interested we can post the convo.


Guessing you just called town bad. No big deal.

Not too far off. His initial advice was

step 1: hope you don't roll mafia
step 2: call everyone who calls you mafia bad
step 3: win game
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