Team Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets - Page 134

On July 18 2014 14:53 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I have a smurf and openly apologize for my bullshit here

On June 11 2014 05:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Whenever you lynch someone and they flip town, you have two options. You either say that you need to re-evaluate how you make scumreads, either in general or on this guy in particular, or you say that him flipping town is acceptable. There is no other option.

So, you can say, "given the way Palmar played, I will always lynch that kind of play, and I don't care if it hits town or not, this is a policy of mine." This way, the fact that he flipped town is irrelevant, you were lynching because you're trying to deter that kind of play, or because 90% of the time it's right and this one is just in the 10%, and it's impossible to refine your reads on that 10% of failures. You're willing to lynch town, and you will use this heuristic KNOWING it will lynch town.

Or, you can say "i need to refine my heuristic. It was acceptable before, or it was acceptable in other formats of this game, or other, related games, but it didn't work this time. What can I do to be better?" This way, next time this happens you know how to identify town. Now, maybe this is perfectly fakeable by scum so you end up doing the same thing, but you are at least open to becoming better/smarter.

What's not an acceptable option is to blame Palmar for flipping town, and claim your heuristic is good because it catches scum. The fact of the matter is, whatever you did lynched a townie. You either have to admit that lynching townies sometimes is part of the plan, or you have to come up with a new plan. Maybe Palmar is an idiot and there's no way to avoid lynching him when he's town; if that's the case, say that.

On July 18 2014 22:45 Eden1892 wrote:
Slam we didn't kill you because of a "single scum tell." We started pushing on you and sqrt because sqrt had a bad post that looked scummy. You and sqrt both responded by utterly refusing to cooperate with anybody the rest of the phase. Y'all gave reads that made no sense, didn't bother explaining them or arguing for them despite being asked and practically begged us to mislynch you to get credibility (in fact I'm fairly certain one of you actually said as much openly in the thread!). The same argument I made at the time applies: that type of play advances a scum agenda (by centering a lot of the attention in the game on your slot, and thereby acting as a smokescreen for your teammates), and doesn't advance a town agenda (deliberately mislynching is always anti-town).

Pulling from what Blazinghand said at the end of Detention Mafia:

The heuristics that I used in lynching your slot -- "scum are significantly more likely to make posts like the one sqrt did that I called out" and "scum are significantly more likely to react in a nonconstructive way and spam the thread like Slam did" and "scum are significantly more likely to throw out reads under fire that don't make sense and refuse to explain them, like both players did" -- are, in my experience, right much more than they are wrong. I am comfortable with the success rate of my lynches and don't see a realistic option to improve them. Sometimes they're wrong and I lynch a townie anyway. Shit happens. I'm sorry you ended up on the wrong end of the noose this go-round, but I stand by the process I used in lynching you, even though in this circumstance it didn't end in the way either of us wanted it to end.

On July 12 2014 06:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait y u lynch sqrt?

On July 12 2014 06:48 OnceKing wrote:
from sqrt's post that eden quoted:

I'm not so sure he's town. But the post is definitely the best post so far. But some of these reads seem fabricated.


hahahahaha

On July 12 2014 08:27 Alakaslam wrote:
HIJOLE I said don't post if you aren't sure; that is what happened

Was unsure but wanted to point out train of thought

Ppl you must understand eventually we who WIFOM ourselves learn the bamcis way of Rayn. We read based off current events and post a lot when we are here.

Fortunately work was moved to tomorrow so IAM here

On July 12 2014 08:30 Eden1892 wrote:
No one is WIFOMing themselves
You look like a tasty lunch

On July 12 2014 08:30 Eden1892 wrote:
Is the scum qt too cluttered to coach sqrt there Slam?

On July 16 2014 08:15 Eden1892 wrote:


Both of you are fucking terrible at this game and will never become good at this game until you realize that it doesn't matter whether or not you're right, but whether or not you're convincing. Have y'all never had to convince somebody of something n your lives? Do you think just screaming from the mountaintops that you think X thing is gonna happen is going to convince me or anyone else you need to convince?

I'm not convinced by brute force of will, and that's all either of you seem to have for me. Granted, you don't have to convince me, you can theoretically get the lynch you want even if I'm wrong and both scum are on the wagon with me -- but that means you have to convince everyone else... and judging from the reactions you're getting, you're not doing that either.

Robik, if you want me to switch to poofybunnies, make a case for it that isn't "poofter is being convincing in defending himself so he's scum." That is terrible logic and it's not something I'm going to switch for.
Haru, if you want me to switch to poofybunnies, calm the fuck down and actually back up anything you're saying. This whole game you've done nothing but spout off angry, self-assured declarations that don't appear to be rooted in any facts whatsoever and browbeaten anyone who doesn't immediately see The One True Path. Your game is like a pissant 12-year-old and makes me want to lynch you by default. If you don't want to get lynched, make a case. Why poofybunnies? Why rayn? How is it obvious? This last one's especially important because I would think the one thing every townie is thinking right now is "damn, this is a tough lynch." This game has been difficult. Calling it obvious makes me think you've got some information I don't, because you're scum.