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I am not liking the Forumite. Ok are you ready for this? On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote: My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town. prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads. I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting. Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die. ##Vote: Koshi He meta reads prplhz, then asks prplhz for his reads. Stop. Think. Why do you ask people for reads? You do it because either you want to get a better read on them, or you think they are town and you value their reads. At 99% town, he isn't doing it for the first reason, so it must be the second. But at this point the game just started, and most of the posts were "hahaha jokez" posts, so clearly nothing meaningful to be gleaned off here. Conclusion: Forumite has a scummy mindset of "asking people for reads looks like activity" but when he does it it looks totally out of place. On July 08 2014 03:40 Forumite wrote: I think I did this in an earlier game, stating that I have a townread on prplhz for the exact same reason. It ended up disrupting town discussion for most of D1. I should probably stop doing this. Anyway I know I'm shitty at reading anything prplhz does so to make it simple for myself I just won´t vote for him without a VERY good reason. On Toades, I don´t know. It´s OMGUS for voting me and the opposite for (nearly) dropping the case a few hours later. Him pushing for me makes it hard for me to be objective about his play. Others seem to think it makes him slightly townie, whatever. Koshi, I still think he´s scummy, even more than the usual OMGUS for pushing me. His case on me felt like he waited to hitch on to Toades case, adding his own complex reasonings to explain why scum would do what I did, basically WIFOM. He also accused me of calling Toades scum, which I´m fairly sure I never did. I´m leaving my vote on Koshi. Toades, did you have any questions for me? Both Koshi and Toads have had a little back and forth on why they find Forumite suspicious. He says of Toads that his pushing on himself makes objective reading difficult, so he defers to other's opinions on Toad (slightly townie). Stop. Think. Who else has pushed Forumite and is generally considered townie (or at least not scum)? Koshi has also been pushing Forumite but he doesn't bring that hesitation with Toads to Koshi. He dismisses what Koshi says as WIFOM (it's not). Conclusion: Another inconsistency in his play. Let's crank up the heat. ##Vote: Forumite | ||
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Let's focus y'all. | ||
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Forumite asked you basically the same question. I argue that it is a terrible question more likely to come from scum than town. Do you agree / disagree? | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:41 prplhz wrote: so what? people ask stuff early game, i asked koshi if he was happy he couldn't vote me for the rest of the game, that's kind of like asking for a read too. vivax asks me in post 6 what i feel about iamp people ask each other stuff it's absolutely not a big deal and certainly nothing to call anybody scum for I'm not arguing that my case is ironclad and he must be scum. I'm saying that in the context that he asked the question, in that he already believed you to be town, that it seems off that he would ask you for a general read (opposed to someone specific) given the posts that have happened. To me, it looks more like mafia trying to look like they are active etc, than a town who is actually trying to figure stuff out. Do you see what I am trying to say? | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:49 Vivax wrote: Your entrance on prp was shitty, your bitching about somebody cause he takes too many things into consideration at the same time is shitty. Prp scum cause he's sounding down and whatnot. Cora scum cause he doesn't sound sure enough of himself and puts caveats into his reads. This is shitty cause you use it in the reasoning to townread Forum: If you look at his post and think a bit about it you'll figure that chainsaw is what he thinks means calling out as scummy. When the real meaning is that you attack a guy who is attacking your scumbuddy. Just cause he used that word didn't mean that he meant the same thing you know as chainsawing. But despite suspecting him earlier, you immediately took it that way. Overall I find some of your reasoning weak for jumping on or off these guys. | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote: 1) he posted that AFTER I asked him. Why do we, me of all people if the guy is talking about me, have to get that out of him instead of him just outright posting it. 2) There's actually any explanation in there. He calls my entrace on prplhz shitty, that's it. That's not a basis for anything. Same with the rest although a little more volumesque. On top of that he doesn't even have to balls to say I'm mafia, he just calls me wrong in a very annoying manner... Eh I can see where both of you are coming from. Looks like conflict due to different playstyles more than different alignments. | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:17 IAmRobik wrote: After how much time does VE claiming to go play League and him not logging in does it become unacceptable for him to have left thread for no reason other than to leave the thread? Please explain more about how I'm scum. I want to clear this out. | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:25 IAmRobik wrote: I don't like your first post. It makes it seem like you were fully caught up with the thread, without having posted AT ALL previously, and you were ready to bury the shit out of someone with something that was "perfectly prepared". You didn't talk about anything else besides for forumite in the post. Read my posts, read your posts. I'm town. You're mafia. Also, VE STILL hasn't logged into League, a game he claims he was going to play instead of participating in this game of mafia I did read the whole thread, and then chose to start with a case on Forumite. How is that mafia? Am I avoiding talking about something relevant? | ||
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Vivax, this is how I approach big games, I'm sure it will improve as numbers shrink. Unless there is something I want to really hop into and talk about, I probably won't. | ||
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On July 09 2014 01:47 slOosh wrote: Here for 15ish minutes. Vivax, this is how I approach big games, I'm sure it will improve as numbers shrink. Unless there is something I want to really hop into and talk about, I probably won't. And uhh yes I can see how my second point was weaker. I agree with that possibility. | ||
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On July 08 2014 20:44 sinani206 wrote: wow best bus in history. i'll explain why koshi is scum after lunch. Wouldn't a bus mean that forumite, who you read green, is scum? | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote: omg omg omg omg omg !!! The game started REading up whats going on? Or this. Super excited but doesn't post anything. Ok I'm out for a while. If you guys have specific questions, go ahead and ask me them. If you just want me to be more open with my thoughts, I could do that too but like ... choose the scummiest lurker is bleh. | ||
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But seriously the case on iamp is quite solid. If you actually look at his filter it can be summarized as "Why aren't you doing anything?" when his filter itself is lacking in meaningful contribution and pushing the thread forward. He has posted many posts but it's still not entirely clear what he thinks. He claims to be a leader in this game but nothing of his posts felt like he was trying to lead people to a lynch. Forumite looks better because at least he looks open with his thoughts and there's some progression. ##Unvote: Forumite ##Vote: iamperfection (side note: if the gang of like bunnies and ritoky and friends could please start referring to people strictly by their handles in this game, and stop talking about cake or what have you that would be great) | ||
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On July 09 2014 03:19 Koshi wrote: So there are 8 people on Forumite. Interesting. Let's all talk about iamperfection for a while. This is the awesome case foolishness made against iamp in catastrophe mafia. (go to iamperfection no so perfect section). I already brought this up before but iamp is playing the same style he was playing in the Catastrophe game. This time he isn't utterly useless but he is pretty close. Maybe I can post 2-3 posts iamp made that are somewhat pushing the thread forward but that's really it. Robik townreads iamp for being firm early game, calling out my bullshit post, which was obviously just a conversation starter. Quite obviously so. Vivax townreads iamp because iamp is a bossy guy calling people doing dumb things out on their dumb things. I agree iamp has called out some people out doing silly things. But really? Is that why we are giving the most experienced player in this thread a townread for? Are we really so easily pleased? Come on lads. Look at this: ↑ So yeah, iamp calls out dumb behavior. Good for him! But what does he do with it? What reasoning does he give when saying Kush should stop his stupid crusade? What reasoning did he give for making Robik unlynchable till D6? I am not impressed. You shouldn't be either. Going on: ↓ Is iamp posting reads this game? Do you see the overflowing quality this veteran player brings us? I don't. The guy makes the excuse to do nothing till ObiwanShinobi enters the thread, when ObiwanShinobi enters the thread iamp doesn't do anything but asks that ObiwanShinobi pleases him. He doesn't ask any specific questions. Why is Obiwan so special for iamp? Why can't iamp do nothing for multiple hours while waiting on Obiwan? Read the entire Foolishness case. Then see how much of it applies to this game. It is scary much. Do you also remember that I asked 27ninjabunnies what the 3 biggest discussion points where this game? Now look at how much iamperfection participated in these 3 topics. Close to fucking nothing. ##unvote ##vote iamperfection This lynch is glorious. On July 09 2014 03:46 Toadesstern wrote: I actually like this a lot. I wasn't so sure about this because in my head he's always posting like that so I went to look up some other games he had as town recently because I haven't played in a year and I could always just be wrong. As town he looks almost the same BUT he does produce good posts inbetween, posts that actually do something and posts that actually aren't just random 1 or 2 lines. He still does those 1 to 2 liners all the time but he's certainly got more good posts as town. Examples: TL Noir: + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2013 09:11 iamperfection wrote: as in you want a peek on my notes i guess i can oblige 27: Mattchew-scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote: 1: DarthPunk/sb- town because dp being a little bitch about people calling him scum and then replacing out because of it means he is extremely likely to be town. Plus he was pretty active and in the spotlight day one anyways. 2: raynpelikoneet- town his most recent push on firm while misguides seemed legit at least and looked like he was at least trying to figure out alignments and overall good activity and seems to have been one of the major players. He is good as scum but i think he has been legit and real in his posts. 5: yamato77- town he just is plus he got protected and he wouldnt lie about that. Also was active before that 6: kushm4sta- dont know. Rember the days when he used to be meiocore at this game. Now it seems like he spends his time just bithcing and moaning. 8: ObviousOne- annoying but seems to have a matter fact way of not wanting to explain himself. bad but likely town. 10: FirmTofu- Town This kid is town he has explained himself over and over agains hasnt really been afraid of the spotlight. Also has used his time to contribute in the right way with pushing see umasi instead of just defending himself this is what you do as town when you have pressure on you. you give your reads and your thoughts regardless of the pressure you dont complain. He is town 11: Pandain- his sent push seems legit and seems to have some of the same reasoning i have. If he is thinking like means he is probally town. needs more actvity. 12: Cephiro- seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him. 13: Mr. Cheesecake- im excused from reading him because i hate him. he will probally at some point afk from this game and be active somewhere else on tl. 14: decondu- confused about why yamato was town would likely know his scum team shot yamato so slight indication he might be town i dont feel strong about need to see more from him. 15: Coagulation- town no reason to not belive he is the vig with his and yamtos claims 16: Stutters695- martyer hate that shit but who knows probally bad town though 17: iamperfection- IC 18: Zenatsu/molango- a double lurker. A sure sign of the apoclypse. 19: [UoN]Sentinel- scum this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=85#1699 say absoloutly nothing on a major topic while sudetly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. He has given some decent reasoning for some his thoughts later on so he isnt my strongest scum read but that day 1 still reads as scum. 20: VisceraEyes- I dont really understand his existential crisis that he all of sudden for no real good reason but i dont see the scum motivation. Like he didnt use it as an excuse to not talk about the game as he is still talking so i would say town on him. has been generally active and talking about the game. His thinking that it may be possible both coag and yamato could be scum is kind of ridiclous as in to ridiclous to come from scum. 22: geript- scum his biggest contribution for the entire game was to tunnel dp and make him rage quit. outside of that the rest of his day one was useless and hasnt done anything this cycle scum 23: Risen- i dont fucking know hasnt really done anything could be scum in fact i would say leaning scum 24: LoneMeow- dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly. 25: marvellosity- Town seems active and intrested i will say town and improve my record of reading him almost always correctly. seems to have setled into the role of town leader. 26: Zaragon- scum played the im a newbie card kind of wierd that he would go after ve as scum but in effect his vote was wasted and did nothing of vlaue. Says stuff like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=87#1721 says sent isnt great case but leaning scum????????? dont know what that means. and wants to say im not sure it seems a lot and never really reaches solid conlusions that much. 27: Mattchew- scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum Umasi-scumi will give credit to firmtofu here i think he made solid point here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=151#3011 hes scum for that i would say 29: justanothertownie- was going to stay up to see my post +1 for eagerly awaiting iamperfection posts. outside of that he hasnt done a ton and hasnt had strong reads but seems to be self aware of that fact in a matter of fact way. My gut would say town. 30: Mocsta-towni like his case been active extremely likely town i would say efort etc.... On September 25 2013 22:53 iamperfection wrote: mattchews defense looks real i would say town on him plus it wasnt just defense he gave some reads and seems like he is trying to put 2 and 2 together. Cephiro lynch would be ok maybe like 55 60 percent. Shity way for him to play as scum but i could definitely see a scum using his constant ill totes contribute later and just never do it. panda bear guy im not so hot on for his lynch. Basically it isnt super clear who he wants to lynch the most right now even though he said he aims to do that today. like with mattchews defense i don't really know who i want to lynch either so i don't think that's a smoking gun. best course of action would be just to see what he does today. GoT: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 23:10 iamperfection wrote: like i dont know where your going with this acro like i said to you in pm about xatlos ------------------------------------ i will tell you this 1. he put himself out for lord first of any of us 2. Has been very active in pms 3. aggressive towards grack I would say those would points would indicate him more likely to be town On August 09 2013 10:32 iamperfection wrote: This message is for everyone. We are simply not lynching ryan or acro under any circumstances this cycle and i want your help to find the true scum in this game. Regardless of what you think of the two their activity alone makes them not the best chance to lynch scum. We all know that scum tend b e less active than town and like to lurk in the shadows. This biting each others heads off serves no purpose but to create an atmospher not productive to town because it allows to lurkers to continue to lurk and the scum along with them. I want to know have nonposters in your house been active in pms. Gumshoe has contacted me stating that he will be on later and as of yet still hasnt posted. I havent heard from grack to last night. I want to know if any non posters are in contact with you and if you have suspicion of them from their n0 commitment and recent pms. regardless if they are pm'ing you i want to know why they arent posting in the thread. IE ( Sharrant is in contact with you but isnt posting in the thread acro) these are the pieces of shit that come to mind FirmTofu- Decided to complain about activity and did nothing else Gumshoe- Had a good feeling from pms that he was town but is mia Grack- Mia since last night Kush- Non contributer who i want kp directed at because he can contribute as town and isnt nacho- non poster and i havent heard anything about his pms Sharrant- as stated before On August 09 2013 22:34 iamperfection wrote: totes town Dandelion[green]- Been active with his thoughts interested in the game had a same thought as me when calling out a weak post as s&b. I will eat my hat if he is scum Xatols- Active making logical conclusions in both pms and in thread Oatsmaster- Shit up the thread with yamato putting the spotlight on both of them. Has put his thought in actively since then as well. weaker town reads. [green]Risen Lol worst analysis that i have ever seen in a game for such a long post but seems like quite the commitment for scum to make. ClarityNl Was under a ton of pressure for the leak the name stuff. For someone who was under so much pressure he was able to explain himself fairly well and didnt run away. I think if he were scum he would have had much more difficulty. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ scum city Vivax Vivax is a player that can contribute a lot as town and can even catch scum. He has done next to nothing in this game and seems like a guy just going with the flow and not sharing his thought process or actively trying to hunt like he usally does. Vivax should be one of the leaders of this town and he is not doing it for whatever reason. this post is wierd http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=47#939 Why is he not actively giving his thoughts and he actually never gives thoughts just asks a useless question. and my f5 snipe just caught this Where are vivaxs thoughts all he says is he is intrested to hear what other people are doing. Vivax is usally the one pushing for what he wants. I think vivax has a high probability of flipping scum. Kush He can spontaneously combust for all i care Gumshoe Weak but he bothered to contact me and hasn't posted why the fuck would he do that Sharrant Same as gum but with acro instead of me Even just from a pure "how much text he's willing to post I can't find anything like that in catastrophe nor in this one On July 09 2014 06:25 slOosh wrote: I <3 Koshi. But seriously the case on iamp is quite solid. If you actually look at his filter it can be summarized as "Why aren't you doing anything?" when his filter itself is lacking in meaningful contribution and pushing the thread forward. He has posted many posts but it's still not entirely clear what he thinks. He claims to be a leader in this game but nothing of his posts felt like he was trying to lead people to a lynch. Forumite looks better because at least he looks open with his thoughts and there's some progression. ##Unvote: Forumite ##Vote: iamperfection (side note: if the gang of like bunnies and ritoky and friends could please start referring to people strictly by their handles in this game, and stop talking about cake or what have you that would be great) | ||
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On July 09 2014 06:55 iamperfection wrote: IAmRobik I think he is town. Way to active. Way to confident. Drawing a ton of attention to himself. He has been budding me a lot which gives me slight pause but i would only worry about that if there are multiple scum factions The possibility never even entered my mind, and storm 1 didn't have it, so it just boggles me that a town would ever think like this. | ||
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On July 09 2014 13:19 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I am around to talk. I finished watching my teen wolf episodes. So good. Though I did just remember I have to finish my online driving safety course. That's what I get for speeding on the interstate. Stupid cops. Yeah let's talk about my post just now. | ||
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On July 09 2014 13:12 slOosh wrote: Ok, I dunno if it's just me or people haven't actually read iamps' read dump closely, but is this not bothering anyone? The possibility never even entered my mind, and storm 1 didn't have it, so it just boggles me that a town would ever think like this. | ||
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On July 09 2014 13:44 27ninjabunnies wrote: Oh yeah! You're right. So then Iamp's thing about there being more than one scum faction isn't all that bad. However, his read on robik buddying him and there being more than 2 factions means robik is scum thing is a bit weird. Iamp, why? Ok so there are two layers in this. First is the "too much information" layer. As Haru stated, Palmar mentions more than 2 factions, so it is feasible that someone could have arrived at the conclusion of multiple scum factions. I considered it more to be a possibility of an SK (which I believe storm 1 had), and so it seemed more natural to me to think 3rd party rather than 2 factions. The second and more important layer, is that this thinking is associated with his Robik read. He notes that Robik has been buddying him, but that it would only worry him if there are multiple scum factions. I'm trying to understand from his perspective how he could think that Robik buddying is not worrisome with only 1 scum faction, but if there are two woah nelly. It seems extremely convoluted from a town perspective. | ||
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On July 09 2014 12:45 HaruRH wrote: To build on to the argument, town|forumite would evaluate everyone who tried to pressure him since it was easy for scum to hop on the forumitewagon. Scum|forumite would instantly feel relieved and settle down for a sheep to get past d1. This is a reasonable point. Forumite, could you please give your general feels as to the people who have voted you? Haru, what's your opinion of iamp? (and although part of it is, it is not just a meta case). | ||
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On July 09 2014 12:57 Corazon wrote: Alright, so about Iamp: Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly. I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched. On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp. I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance. So you are leaning scum on iamp because lots of his filter is fluff, and his scumread on you is weakstuff. But you don't want to lynch iamp because he has a long filter and would rather lynch people with weak reads. What? You lean scum on iamp but you are basically saying I don't want to lynch him. Please clarify. | ||
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What is your current opinion of iamp? (his filter in general and his read dump) | ||
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On July 09 2014 14:55 VisceraEyes wrote: His read dump is interesting. The thing that stood out to me (for obvious reasons) was his read on me - it was like it hadn't evolved whatsoever since his last read of me. Which, honestly, is weird because frankly I've been a little absent, and he has a history of reading me mafia really hard and fast, so to hang onto what APPEARED to be a weak townread of me LATER ON in a read dump seems....lazy I guess. And what's with the READS POST anyway? Why do that? Just to appear active? He's presumably already got a huge filter, so why feel the need to dump reads on EVERY SINGLE PLAYER? I haven't looked at his filter (because I'm assuming it's long) but I will because frankly I'm starting to think iamp is mafia. Eh it's probably a good time to read his filter. It will probably take you less than to read the read dump. I will be chilling here in the meantime. On July 09 2014 14:56 Bill Murray wrote: I'm gonna answer that. I dont like Iamperfection for his hypocrisy relating to whether or not people do anything, but I still feel like Forumite is a better lynch, because of his flailing + scumslip I don't see anything that points me towards voting Iamp over a lurker Just my .02 take it with a grain of salt But if his filter is like 6 pages but he has said the rough equivalent to a lurker, doesn't that make him like a L2 super lurker or something? Or you could be of the opinion that what he has said is reasonable - is this more accurate? | ||
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Cora, please address my post on page 65 On July 09 2014 14:47 slOosh wrote: So you are leaning scum on iamp because lots of his filter is fluff, and his scumread on you is weakstuff. But you don't want to lynch iamp because he has a long filter and would rather lynch people with weak reads. What? You lean scum on iamp but you are basically saying I don't want to lynch him. Please clarify. | ||
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On July 09 2014 15:29 Corazon wrote: I'm really conflicted on how I feel about Iamp. While he has said some scummy things, he's also been one of the people who is posting a lot. If I was 100% sure about Iamp being scum, I would have voted for him and campaigned for his lynch. But I'm only about 10-15% about Iamp being scum, not as much as I am about Robik. I don't want to vote a super-active person who actually has half-decent content in his posts over someone who has little content and no reads whatsoever. If we do that, we're just gonna be left with a crapshoot towards the end of the game. Now could you post maybe 2 or 3 "half-decent content" posts and explain why you like them? | ||
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On July 09 2014 15:44 prplhz wrote: i don't see the case on him but i might be wrong, he's a tentative town read in that i'd much rather like to lynch a bunch of other people over him obiwan - town or scum? Leaning scum, but not as scummy as iamp. Much stronger read on iamp. | ||
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Here's my general beef with him, off the top of my head. He basically whines a lot about people not doing anything, while him himself not doing anything to focus town to lynching scum. He drops a huge reads post when it was totally unnecessary. Why bother with all of the town & null reads? From his scum reads, he does nothing to try to actually get them lynched. He basically goes "here I said stuff, why aren't you guys doing anything". Convoluted thinking concerning Robik with regards to the possibility of two scum factions. I'll end with Foolishness' case from catastrophe, where iamp was scum (do not dismiss this as meta because it's not meta. It's analysis that pertains to this game) On April 04 2014 15:13 Foolishness wrote: Foolishness states that the way to find the mafia in this situation is to look at those people who are active but not actually accomplishing anything. Mafia don't fear to post in a chaotic situation but they will never try to steer the town into a better place. "iamperfection is one of the best examples of that this game," reports Foolishness. "His attempt to get people onto Balla24/Blazinghand is the most convenient case in the world. If you're mafia in a game, wouldn't you just love it if some idiot is proposing random lynch? You get to call him an idiot AND look town for doing so!" Despite all that, iamperfection has yet to post a real read on a player or situation. The filter demonstrates that he doesn't have any true scumreads other than the easy picking Blazinghand and only has a few haphazard town reads. Secondly, iamperfection is making demands of the town without doing so himself. "Mafia love to tell the town that they are sucking because they are making a true statement, and as a town it's hard to look past someone who is telling you the truth. However townies will always try to rectify the situation while mafia just sit back and enjoy the show." "Note how he tells people to talk and generate discussion without doing so himself. He doesn't even have a post that's longer than 2 lines!" Foolishness encourages everyone to read the report and his filter. Of course he's not playing a perfect game, but he fits the identifying bill as mafia. Not contributing yet still active, pushing easy cases, telling the town to generate discussion without doing so himself. Foolishness believes that the evidence is good enough to warrant a day 1 lynch and that currently nobody has a better case. ##Vote: iamperfection | ||
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On July 09 2014 16:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i cant hear you over how fucking town i am. Please tone it down. Could please give your read on iamp and/or your strongest scum read. | ||
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The pool being ritoky, batsnacks, mderg, sinani, damdred and hiropro. And they can only vote for other people in the pool. Best game ever. Jk, I'll be reading up on these dudes, but I'm like reasonably sure like 2 or 3 mafia are in here. | ||
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On July 09 2014 16:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: oh btw why isnt bm playing anything like he did over in order? like he isnt posting at all and its weird. he was super fucking town that game but hes not even around this time. On July 09 2014 16:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: well, if not anal, then im sure we can figure something out. we can work out a barter system. ritoky, hiro, layabout, and slam are all null. some people have pointed out that ritoky is forced, and i agree, but i do think that its really early to be forming some kind of read on him at this stage because people call him weird for the exact same reason every game. haru's last couple of posts have been good, so i think hes town. i dont get why he makes excuses for not being good on day 1, because his day 1 seems pretty strong. agree/disagree? bm is playing nothing like he did in order. he was supertown then but he's getting away with the bare minimum now. he was suggesting policy lynches on people who werent playing (kinda like what cora is doing) but hes kinda hiding amongst those people now. ill probably filter dive kush and bats at some point. i remember kush being towny and bats having a shitty opening but thats it. On July 10 2014 01:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: nb the reason nobody is listening to your ritoky case is because the ritoky case ends up being the exact same thing people push him for every game. it hasnt changed and its still silly, and you might be scum for thinking that its good. Ehh like this makes me hesitant on a BM lynch and more enthused of a ritoky lynch. What do you guys make of it? | ||
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D1 felt like very little scum manipulation was involved. Koshi Toad and I started the iamp wagon, and drummed up support and people hopped on. I think generally scum team got lazy and played very passively, just posting to avoid attention but not active in town direction. So from scum team perspective how I would have tried to approach D2 is point out people on the iamp wagon as being scummy / opportunistic. Which a couple of people have done. ritoky pointing out yamato, hiropro pointing out VE, uhh ... mderg pointing out yamato / VE sort of. Not that this necessarily makes them scum, but it's where I would look. But then N1 blows up their plans since ObiWanShinobi flips town and yamato and VE look real good, and now they don't know what to do or say and they have like no thread presence. In conclusion: I wanna kill all the lurkers cause it's most likely scum are in there. At least, that's my interpretation of the game so far. Uhh I need to reread Forumite to see if town atmosphere felt similar or different to his wagon vs. iamp wagon. Yes, I will do that after a nap. | ||
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On July 11 2014 10:40 batsnacks wrote: That's weird. He said this twice: OBIWAN SAID: " some people have pointed out that ritoky is forced, and i agree, but i do think that its really early to be forming some kind of read on him at this stage because people call him weird for the exact same reason every game. " " nb the reason nobody is listening to your ritoky case is because the ritoky case ends up being the exact same thing people push him for every game. " Hey bats, you can use the "quote" function (found top right corner of posts) to get instant formatted timestamped quotes, just so you know. You've played with the group right? Could you give me a general feels of ritoky, and if what obiwan said is legitimately something that happens or not? | ||
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My choice of lynch right now would be HiroPro for this post: On July 10 2014 11:04 HiroPro wrote: sup. I read the thread. anyway, I think you guys are missing the boat on VE. I'm more interested in how VE went from saying that he wasn't interested in lynching anyone who was active to lynching the second-most active player in this game (iamperfection). The reasons that he gave don't appear very strong at all and he only said anything about the guy when sloosh prompted him to. The entry read very out of place for me. We had like a super long D1 ending in a mislynch, and he casually saunters in with his 2nd post of the whole game, and says he read the thread. This is a feels read. I dunno how accurate my feels are but that's where they are. His read on VE fits in with my evaluation of how the game has been unfolding, and just generally for someone who has been absent for close to a hundred pages or so, he isn't really trying to do much. Scum skirting by kinda attitude. | ||
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On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote: Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this. Do you: a) fake-claim b) ignore any questions as to why you lied c) try to out some power roles d) all of the above Explain. | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:12 slOosh wrote: Ehh maybe it's just mderg for not instantly realizing that VE voted ObiWanShinobi and is super unlikely to be scum. Let me expound: On July 11 2014 00:25 mderg wrote: You forgot VE. He was on ObiWanShinobi, right? Then I´m not sure about him anymore. Not impossible that they´re scumbuddies but unlikely. Context: D2 (pg 94~95), Vivax asks mderg to clarify his scumreads. Additionally he asks if mderg still scumreads yamato (presumably asking about mderg's interpretation of the Obiwan flip). Mderg responds "you forgot VE". As in, "VE is still a scumread". Then he says of yamato, "he was on ObiWanShinobi, right?", and then retracts his scumread on yamato based on his voting of ObiWan and the unlikelyhood of a bus. Checkpoint: At this post, mderg knows that ObiWan flipped scum. I say this because he is doing this slow reading thing, and it's not at all clear where he is and while really annoying, it's something to consider. He has read the D2 daypost and knows ObiWan flipped scum. The way the phrasing happens, mderg is recalling from memory the D1 stuff. "yamato was on Obi right?" Night 1, p90: On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote: This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. mderg's scumread on VE is precisely because VE moved his vote off him (mderg) onto Obiwan. So mderg knows that VE voted ObiWan. Yet when he reconsiders yamato as potential town for being on ObiWan, he does not mention VE at all! The read that should have changed first doesn't change! What's my point? mderg is scum because he is inconsistent. The information he holds and the way he interprets it is inconsistent with his reads. Town don't do that. Scum do that. ##Vote: mderg | ||
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On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote: Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway. This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything? | ||
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On July 11 2014 16:37 HiroPro wrote: Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now. Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE. Garbo soft defense HiroPro, it's pretty clear that Vivax asked him for current scum reads (hence his use of the present tense), Try again. | ||
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On July 11 2014 16:51 HiroPro wrote: w/e. there's no point in me discussing this with you any further when he should be the one talking about himself. But I think you're seriously mistaken if you think that shows anything, especially when he's not a native english speaker. Do you have any town explanation for BM's behavior? *Soft defends mderg multiple times* "he should be the one talking about himself" *defends him again in the same post* And yes I have reasons to believe BM is more likely town than scum, but that is independent of mderg's alignment. | ||
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On July 11 2014 16:56 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Bill Murray confirmed liars get lynched sloosh, thoughts on damdred and my case and some very very good reason you think the confirmed liar is town Town sometimes lie. You can argue that it's wrong and stupid but it doesn't change the fact that sometimes town lie. Sometimes for baits, sometimes cause they just forget, sometimes for other reasons. Ver says it himself in how to improve: On August 26 2010 13:08 Ver wrote: Also, this is a good point to address the misconception that 'lying=mafia,' which is clearly not the case. I lie all the time as town, and much more rarely as mafia. Some may condemn this as inferior play, but lying, among other 'anti-town plays,' lets you open new routes of play that are ordinarily inaccessible if you behave as a 'perfect townie.' Most of the time you have to take a risk if you want to win. Of course the execution is everything, as lying for no gain is just going to make it harder for the town to do anything. And of course, many town players will lie on accident, without reason, or for some bizarre reason or another that you have no way of knowing. A point that will be emphasized continuously is the necessity to differentiate between mafia and bad townie play. You can't just lynch people and when they pop green excuse yourself by saying 'oh they were anti-town anyways.' The goal is to kill mafia, period. So I don't see him claiming to be roleblocked alignment indicative, since it could have town motivations or scum motivations. I think it is unlikely that BM is scum because ObiWanShinobi's one scum read was BM. I really doubt that the one actual read that scum holds among all null reads is on a teammate, especially when you don't anticipate your death. As for Damdred, I'm more hesitant of the lynch because he came from a different site where playstyles and habits and whatnot might just straight up be different. I agree he is laidback and doesn't have strong convictions, but I could see town doing that too. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:47 ritoky wrote: VE, how do you feel about sloosh and his push on low hanging fruit? Decent heuristic but only when applied with proper context. Read my posts on my interpretation of how D1 went to see how I came to that conclusion. That said, could you please give your thoughts on mderg, HiroPro and BM? | ||
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I understand wanting to max out day lengths, but right now momentum is slowing down and I don't really know what people want more time to discuss exactly. Also he is voting exo for not considering him scum. Doesn't make sense. | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:44 sinani206 wrote: what if the mason targeted robik and prpl/koshi and then the action got shifted On July 11 2014 13:28 Bill Murray wrote: hmm On July 11 2014 13:31 Bill Murray wrote: I was waiting on someone to talk who I tracked to Koshi last night Should I say who? Like, BM sees sinani do this, and then he outs him ... Yea I don't get it. Scum BM that tracks blue role sinani and then publically outs him? I don't think it's good town play, but I'm finding difficult mafia motivations. GUHHH WHY BILL MURRAY DO YOU TORMENT ME SO | ||
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*I'm finding it difficult to find mafia motivations to do this* I'm finding bad town motivations to do it. | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote: You're finding it difficult to find mafia motivations for mafia to fake-claim a town investigative role? Really? It's not a fake claim. He actually somehow knows sinani visited Koshi. So if scum the team somehow has a tracker role (unless you think sinani is scum, which is a possibility). If BM was scum tracker and saw that sinani had some blue power, he could just have shot him instead of outing him. Hence the WIFOM. What does outing sinani try to accomplish? It's not like sinani's gonna get lynched. | ||
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Scum BM and town sinani less so. Eh thoughts on sinani? | ||
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What if he flips mafia tracker? | ||
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Let's flip BM first I guess. Sinani why did you choose to link robik and koshi? | ||
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The actual role of masoning two people is real, as evidenced by prplhz Koshi, and I could see that role as either alignment. He's been outed so I mean, lurking because you are blue and scared you will be found out doesn't make sense. So he is just lurking. | ||
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On July 13 2014 05:01 Damdred wrote: Sure Ritoky and batsnacks are two people I feel like are a bit scummy, and to be honest i'm leaning towards hiro however I am biased because hes been riding me so hard in most of his posts. Could you expound on what aspects of their play are scummy? | ||
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On July 13 2014 05:50 Damdred wrote: Ritoky: He has generally lurked through the game giving roughly two pages of filter to analyze. In this filter he has a lot of fluff showing little in the way of helping the town or having almost any agenda, The only agenda that I see in his posts is to disqualify yamato as town which is odd to me. Yamato is one of the people in this game I have read as town and Rit spends a good portion of his content posts talking about how he isn't. He also misses every lynch vote even though he says he would of voted for yamato. It was theorized earlier in the thread that mafia was part of the people who didn't take part in the Iamp lynch, Ritoky to me fits the bill of being an aloof mafia. Hiro: He was absent day one and sheeped a good argument wrote about me and has rode me ever since (i'm biased towards him don't have a good case) I'm actually going to take bat back after rereading his filter he doesn't have many content posts but he does bring some good thoughts to the table. So i'll just go back to reading filters Could you now express your thoughts on Bill Murray and his actions? How do you interpret them? | ||
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On July 13 2014 15:23 ritoky wrote: Posting this for myself and others: D1: iamperfection (14): prplhz, toadesstern, sloosh, harurh, visceraeyes, obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta, yamato77, alakaslam, koshi, forumite, vivax, sinani206, corazon corazon (2): iamperfection, iamrobik exo_ (1): damdred ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies obiwanshinobi (1): exo_ forumite (1): bill hiropro (1): batsnacks Non-voters: ritoky, hiropro, mderg, layabout, tehpoofter Note: underlines are for 3rd party D2: exo_ (1): mderg billmurray (3): toadesstern, yamato77, hiropro mderg (11): sloosh, vivax, harurh, sinani206, kushm4sta, alakaslam, exo_, prplhz, layabout, forumite, damnedred forumite (3): visceraeyes, billmurray, koshi Non-voters: ritoky, corazon, vivax, batsnacks i think this looks right? it's a little bit cobbled together but i think it's accurate. Cool. Conclusions? | ||
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I have no reason to doubt BM. ##Vote: kushm4sta | ||
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At worst scum BM is offering a one for one on kush? Most likely BM is town tracker who caught scum. | ||
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On July 13 2014 20:15 Bill Murray wrote: Kush killed Sinani last night... well, it IS kush, so I'm not counting it out that he had a role like Sinani's... but he's likely scum because he didn't really no visit... he was on Sinani, layabout... so layabout if you want to come forward and say whether or not this happened that would be very helpful right now.... On July 13 2014 20:17 Bill Murray wrote: I honestly expect Layabout was Rolecopped and Sinani killed. Basically, if I'm not here, or if I die tonight and you all don't listen to me lynch kush Yea that's what he is saying, kush visited both sinani and layabout. I really like the phrasing of these posts. Scum when fake claiming make sure everything is clinical and worked out. This is messy, but it's consistent. | ||
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On July 14 2014 01:48 Toadesstern wrote: We have every reason to doubt BM there could possibly be... the question is wether he's telling the truth despite that lol I see your point. What I mean by that is "I believe BM's claim and do not doubt his motives". | ||
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BM tracked kush, and found him visiting two people, layabout and sinani. Sinani died. What role allows you to visit two people? I dunno, but scum factional KP does that. | ||
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Ok all the people who wanted to avoid lynching into BM / kush ... not cool mans. Whatever. Uhh VE watching BM seems best. We get another track off, and if we potentially have a protective role they should protect VE. That seems best? | ||
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Moving on, ritoky's approach to the BM / kush thing: On July 14 2014 06:57 ritoky wrote: I don't think anyone has said anything about this, so I will put it out there and see what people think. On N1, there was only 1 known mafia KP in robik, and cora claimed to have ML-vigi shot obiwan. The janitor (who was additional mafia KP) is dead. There was 2 kp last night. So do we think both of those are mafia KP or one of them is town/3rd party? Because isn't there a world in which BM is baiting us to lynch our vigi? Idk, what do people think about these possible scenarios? That said, VE is my top town read; and I kinda agree with him that it is very doubtful that kush and BM are the same alignment. I just think we might want to consider all possibilities. I don't like it. Seems like a super convoluted approach to what I thought was very simple. Other people also had misgivings, but ritoky is like, waaaaayy off the mark on this one and talking about setup and 3rd parties out of nowhere. Agree / disagree? | ||
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HaruRH and HiroPro also look poor for being absent for the discussion. Could honestly have been busy during the time and unable to post their thoughts on it, but looks bad. These cats need to step it up cause we gonna lynch one of them oooOOoOoOohhhHhHhH!!! | ||
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On July 14 2014 12:44 slOosh wrote: AWWW YSSS Ok all the people who wanted to avoid lynching into BM / kush ... not cool mans. Whatever. Uhh VE watching BM seems best. We get another track off, and if we potentially have a protective role they should protect VE. That seems best? Uh yea back to this though, VE you can watch BM right? Then BM should track whoever he thinks is best. Since their roleblocker died, they can't freely shoot BM this way. Then depending on if mafia have poisoner or not, we might have a town protective role, so they can cover VE. I think chances of prplhz being poisoned on day 1 is meh though, as well as that would mean a lot of KP for mafia. This seems like a good idea. | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:21 Toadesstern wrote: Layabout is hellbent on getting me lynched and I claimed VT to make sure I'm not getting tracked by BM as I think it would have been a possibly check for him considering that I wanted him lynched if it interests you. Ehh I'm really fine with layabout since I felt like he was the only one who approached the BM kush issue in a good way. I can see his suspicion on you, and it is valid as you were quite reluctant which could be seen as a form of soft defense. Same goes for VE. I'll have to revisit that, but I could see town motivations for hesitations so yea. Could you give me your thoughts on how VE approached it? Saying something like "check me" is whatever. It's alignment null to me. Blue role could say it, scum could say it, VT could say it, it's like null. BM should do what he wants, he caught kush, so good on him and I'm sure he will make a good choice. | ||
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Protective role dude should consider protecting layabout. Maybe like flip a coin to see who to protect VE or layabout. That should deter scum from shooting into them since they REALLY can't afford wasted KP at this point. But meh, do what you think is best. | ||
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On July 14 2014 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote: So what about Damdred? Can we lynch that guy? See what happens with the watcher/trackers? prplhz wanted to kill Damdred mostest of all. Makes me raise some eyebrows. EYEBROWS VE, BOTH OF THEM. Actually just one, to indicate suspicion, rather than two to indicate surprise. One eyebrow firmly raised. Hrmm ... medic consider protecting layabout / BM combo instead. Hmm ... | ||
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Lurkmoar + awkward interpretation of BM / kush. Anyone strongly prefer a different lynch? HiroPro you still wanna kill Damdred more? | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:48 Toadesstern wrote: read:+ Show Spoiler + On July 14 2014 09:49 Toadesstern wrote: nice one. Do we let VE watch BM to make sure he won't die and send our potential medics on layabout? The guy got roleblocked last night so he's town for sure as well. The other way around is a bit tricky because I'm no medic and I don't know if we have some to begin with, but VE claimed watcher. But mafia still has to be afraid to be shooting into laya because we might have some. On July 14 2014 10:09 Toadesstern wrote: that's why I said I want the watcher on you. If we have the watcher on you we get a 1v1 trade if they want to take it and I'm fine with that (sorry) because noone would be stupid enough to medicprotect you when we say we want a watcher on you and medics on other people like laya... The other way around we'd have the trouble of stacking watcher and any potential medics because we can't be sure we have a medic and VE might go "fuck it, I'll watch BM nontheless" Noone would be that stupid as a medic. Chances are always VE lied and isn't a watcher but we'd get him that way too with the RB already flipped. Watcher on BM, medics on everything else. We don't want them overlapping in the case of BM actually getting shot. Oh, I was thinking things would fall apart if VE was scum or something but then I thought about it a bit more and yea you are right. On July 14 2014 14:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I will make no excuses for my suspicion of BM. I'll say however that for all of my talk of switching the wagons, I never changed my vote. Take that for what it's worth, but I like to think that I'd take more of an active approach to saving our roleblocker if I were mafia. Do you disagree with pushing Damdred now? prplhz seemed to be lockScum on Damdred. Toward the end there might have been a bit of confirmation bias, but his push seemed reasonable enough and he died the next night. Ehh I still feel iffy on Damdred, perhaps because I'm being too lenient with his coming from another site and all. How do you read his posts that I coaxed out of him last night? | ||
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On July 13 2014 05:50 Damdred wrote: Ritoky: He has generally lurked through the game giving roughly two pages of filter to analyze. In this filter he has a lot of fluff showing little in the way of helping the town or having almost any agenda, The only agenda that I see in his posts is to disqualify yamato as town which is odd to me. Yamato is one of the people in this game I have read as town and Rit spends a good portion of his content posts talking about how he isn't. He also misses every lynch vote even though he says he would of voted for yamato. It was theorized earlier in the thread that mafia was part of the people who didn't take part in the Iamp lynch, Ritoky to me fits the bill of being an aloof mafia. Hiro: He was absent day one and sheeped a good argument wrote about me and has rode me ever since (i'm biased towards him don't have a good case) I'm actually going to take bat back after rereading his filter he doesn't have many content posts but he does bring some good thoughts to the table. So i'll just go back to reading filters He mentions it in his next post when I ask him to explain. Sure it's annoying that you have to go to him to get thoughts out, but by your word, the posts he has made are reasonable and good (I'm assuming this is what you mean by "capable of stringing more than a few words". If the worst mark against him is that he is quiet, then I don't see how he is a good lynch candidate. Am I being too nice and holding hands since it's his first game here? Maybe. But I don't think I'm being too biased when I say his thoughts, particularly that last string, look decent? On that mark, how do you read HiroPro? | ||
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Hiro, dude, I don't think I'm being to hard when I say I don't think you've really contributed anything to town so far. Do you have any new insights or wanna go over some of his new posts or I dunno, do anything other than tunnel Damdred this game? Like, even if you think he is scum, you can still talk about other stuff you know that right? | ||
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You are getting really upset over not getting shot, but maybe you were protected day 1, maybe scum are just blue hunting, who knows. But Day 1 Koshi was good. Bring him back. I'm inclined to think scum might have a rolecop given the HaruRH shot. I'd be scared of a role called "Reanimator" for sure. | ||
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On July 15 2014 05:13 ExO_ wrote: ##Vote: Kush >.> | ||
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On July 15 2014 07:46 yamato77 wrote: Where did Vivax go? He would be way more active if he was town I feel. On July 08 2014 01:26 Vivax wrote: What's the deal with those kush votes? On July 08 2014 01:37 Vivax wrote: Can Cav, Robik and VE explain what about kush's post makes him instascum? On July 08 2014 02:05 Vivax wrote: Yea kush stop being an ass and read your PM if you haven't. Does somebody else want to chime in onto VE and forumite, who fucked off x2 or am I fighting a lonely fight? Robik, did you already forget that kush claiming to not have read his PM has happened in the recent past and I don't recall you going instalynch on him? I did though cause he wasn't trying to solve the game, initially, but I wouldn't get that notion just from his first post. huehuehue | ||
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On July 15 2014 08:02 Damdred wrote: Actually yea I do and I feel stupid now for posting that. So yea I feel like Toad is scummy after revealing in my stupidity Wait step me through your thought process. You thought toad was scummy. I said VE wasn't blocked n2. Then you said you were wrong about toad. Could you explain the transitions between each statement? | ||
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On July 15 2014 08:11 Damdred wrote: Sure, the last time I dealt with a watcher it was a modified version of its role and acted more like a tracker. So instead of just going with the normal job of what a watcher does I went with what I played with the last few times I had it to deal with in a game. Therefore in my mind before I found out I was acting dumb VE confirmed toad good, Damdred wrong and should feel bad. Therefore I will stick with my read of Toad being scummy to me but i'm still bad. I'm still not following. How did VE confirm toad? | ||
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On July 15 2014 15:45 ritoky wrote: that is at the top of my last post, they were just numbered for organization's sake in the last post. i guess if you wanted a reason why you're above him, it would be that i feel he is doing nothing, while you're doing actively scummy things i.e. pushing the same agenda you were before. Ok. Explain what exactly that I am doing, and explain how it is scummy. | ||
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I'm not scum though. Personally I don't really think all scum necessarily have roles. If you look at the blue roles that have flipped so far, they aren't that strong. I don't put as much weight in people not visiting. I've been prodding people to talk because lots of people including yourself won't talk otherwise. If you had to describe town atmosphere the whole game, how would you do it? | ||
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On July 15 2014 17:01 yamato77 wrote: If Vivax isn't going to play, we lynch him. Simple. Exo's Obiwan vote. Genuine or bus? | ||
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On July 15 2014 17:01 yamato77 wrote: If Vivax isn't going to play, we lynch him. Simple. I'm down with this. | ||
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For the record, I think kush actually didn't read his PM day 1. Hence him slapping ObiWan on his scum list and bolding him. On July 15 2014 07:54 slOosh wrote: huehuehue This in retrospect looks funky. | ||
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He has 6 pages of filter, but 5 of those were on D1. So for a full 3 cycles he has only a page worth of posts. Then look at those posts and see how many of them were relevant to the major topics of the game. Then vote Vivax or explain why you think he is town. | ||
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But we didn't and instead lynched scum? Like c'mon dude. Just vote Vivax. | ||
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I heavily doubt Koshi is scum. Dude has like 16 pages of content to his name. | ||
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I'll use nice font and everything, so you can feel good about sheeping it. Why you should vote Vivax Charge 1: Vivax's activity drops off rapidly after D1. On July 10 2014 23:06 Palmar wrote: Day 2 IAmRobik the Repulsive Crone is dead + Show Spoiler [Role PM] + Vanilla Townie You are an ordinary person dragged into an extraordinary situation. You need to be the voice of reason in town. You have no abilities except the power to vote. You win when all threats to town are eliminated. + Show Spoiler [Actual Role] + Repulsive Crone You are just disgusting in every facet. Your skin boils and blisters, and your hair crawls with maggots. Your vile stench makes a sewage pipe seem like sweet lavender. Because you are so unbearably nauseating, anyone trying to perform an action on you will recoil in horror, their every sense viciously assaulted. This will cause them to stagger away to a nearby, random house, and perform their action on another player. In their horrified confusion, they’ll still think their action was carried out on you, though. And oh - there’s one exception. You can still be hit by KP, because ending your revolting life is doing the world a favour, and people can just about bear to take you out from distance. Bad luck. ObiWanShinobi the Mafia Janitor is dead + Show Spoiler [Role PM] + Janitor When someone needs to not only die, but disappear, you are the man for the job. Feeding victims to pigs is just monday in your world. Twice in the game you can send in the name of a player. You will kill that player, and his body will mysteriously disappear. The target will not flip. You win when the mafia can not be stopped. You are also able to deliver one mafia KP per night, in addition to your abilities. On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote: something You have to check his filter for yourself here, but you can see his first post was after D2 was on page 5 of his filter. That said he has only 1 more page of filter after that. So that's 1 page of posts for D2, N2, D3, N3 and D4. That's like a week. Sure town could be busy and posting may dip here and there, but this is a plummet in post count. Not only that he straight up hasn't posted anything for like 5 days. Charge 2: Vivax isn't really involved in the main wagons of each day. For D1: If you open his whole filter and Ctrl + F "iamp", you will see how few and far his posts on him are, when such a large portion of the D1 discussion was on him. On July 08 2014 22:19 Vivax wrote: If iamp was scum I'd have caught him already. When you have this picture in your head of some threatening big guy posting authoritarian one-liners about stuff that deserves attention you can be sure he's town. On July 10 2014 00:29 Vivax wrote: The thing bothering me about iamp is just the timing of that reads post. It came right after Toad pointed out how he made similar posts in other games where he was town. Which made me think he could have made it just for the purpose of appearing town. Anyway still need to finish a few pages. On July 10 2014 01:22 Vivax wrote: Ok, that post is pretty convincing. ##Unvote ##Vote iamperfection This is not someone who was involved in figuring out the lynch on D1. He just stepped back and watched stuff happen. At the start he called iamp town, but then over time he wanted to join on the lynch on iamp so he makes a really questionable post to find a reason (see how he calls iamp scum for doing something that he does as town !!!), and even then just sits around and waits to stick his vote. Vivax was not involved in the D1 lynch. For D2: On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote: I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads. Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to. I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need. Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. The first post after D2, he points out mderg as good chance of being scum. Next post: On July 11 2014 07:26 Vivax wrote: So the point is that mderg defended himself by claiming that VE never scumread him, while saying that VE is scummy for that? But VE did consider him as scumread, so it was untrue. Alrighty, I hope it's easier to digest now. I'd lke to hear mderg's version of this before deciding if I should apply this as well. He defends mderg against layabout's accusations. Not in a "well I don't agree with your reasoning but I think mderg is scum too", but in a "I don't see your point, I'm gonna wait to see how mderg responds". It's awkward, and there isn't any movement to actually try to get mderg lynched. Next he makes a big post on how HiroPro is scum based off of how he reacted to the mderg wagon. What he doesn't make is a post trying to get other people to lynch mderg. Note where his votes are in the D1 and D2 lynches (the order isn't right so you can check for yourself in the voting thread here. On July 10 2014 01:22 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote iamperfection On July 10 2014 01:25 marvellosity wrote: Official Votecount iamperfection (11): prplhz, toadesstern, sloosh, vivax, harurh, obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta, yamato77, alakaslam, koshi, forumite corazon (2): iamperfection, iamrobik exo_ (1): damdred ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies obiwanshinobi (1): exo_ iamrobik (1): corazon forumite (2): visceraeyes, bill hiropro (1): batsnacks With 26 players alive it takes 14.0 votes to lynch. Last update 16:25 GMT (+00:00) On July 11 2014 23:59 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: mderg On July 12 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote: Official Votecount exo_ (1): mderg billmurray (4): prplhz, toadesstern, yamato77, hiropro mderg (8): sloosh, vivax, harurh, sinani206, damdred, kushm4sta, alakaslam, koshi forumite (2): visceraeyes, billmurray With 20 players alive it takes 11.0 votes to lynch. Last update 15:00 GMT (+00:00) 11th and 8th. Basically last on the wagon. This is someone who watches the wagon build up, doesn't really interact with it, and still ends up on it when everyone else has gone on. Vivax was not involved in the D1 or D2 wagons at all. Charge 3: Vivax puts suspicions on people in an indirect way, such that he doesn't look responsible. I have a 3rd point but I need to wake up early tomorrow so I'm just gonna hope the first two points are enough. But you can look at his filter and see how he calls people scum, and you can see it's really indirect and non committal. So let's sum it up. Vivax was not involved in the D1 or D2 lynches. Vivax has only 6 pages of filters, 5 of which are in D1, and almost none of which was related to the main wagons of either day. Vivax makes noncommittal accusations against people and doesn't do much to actually get scum lynched. This isn't a "oh well let's just lynch a lurker". Vivax actually looks like scum. Vote Vivax. Do it. | ||
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layabout yamato77 Toadesstern Koshi Forumite Alakaslam ExO_ batsnacks ritoky HiroPro Vivax That's my groups. BM is confirmed, layabout also confirmed (and Vivax doesn't acknowledge this), the next three are town on behavior. Forumite feels town due to how D1 went down, Slam I'm trusting yamato on this one, Exo is for reals inactive. Vivax is scum because my case, and the fact that he just happened to unlurk and deflect the lynch onto Damdred, HiroPro is scum for tunneling Damdred the whole game and doing nothing else, and also missing all of D1, and then it's probably ritoky or something. | ||
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On July 16 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: Hmm. I can't do that as scum. You know that. But you are completely right I am trying to do those things. But I don't want to use it against you. tbh I was truly going to swap to Damdred btw. pinkyswear. But if he flips town you understand that I can't do anything else but spam for 100 pages in the night that you need to be lynched. You understand and accept this right? Holding you to this Koshi. Vivax needs to be lynched. If anyone has reservations of lynching Vivax tomorrow, speak now. | ||
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With a bang? Or with a whimper? | ||
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##Vote: ExO This makes 1 minus hammer | ||
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It's been long day. | ||
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Exo who has been totally absent from the game is found visiting the dude who died. Let's keep it simple. He is probably the mafia who was sent. | ||
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On July 17 2014 18:05 yamato77 wrote: I'm telling you that Vivax is one. Vivax argued against lynching Exo, so he is probably another. You, Sloosh, layabout, Toad, BM, Slam, and ritoky are probably not mafia. Batsnacks/Forumite/Hiro are the only other ones even worth looking at. Hiro is easily the worst looking one of the three. I think that's one thing you can conclude if you want to use associations. | ||
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Th e people who haven't yet done so should respond to yamato's request for a spectrum of reads. | ||
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On July 18 2014 07:53 layabout wrote: now doesn't the spectrum of reads essentially tell mafia who they can kill to survive and who they can leave to vote with? Yea, but spectrums change over time with new info so I don't think we are particularly vulnerable being open with reads. Plus it forces mafia to take a stance and make up stuff if we call them out on it. I think we gain more than staying mum. | ||
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On July 18 2014 07:56 layabout wrote: i want more time actually can someone unvote Sure, you got it. | ||
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Also killing Exo may drop KP to 1. That is also possible. | ||
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On July 18 2014 08:14 layabout wrote: i am going to bed i want 24 hours more before we do this the ritoky shot heavily suggests that there is a 3rd party if we have mislynched 3 times would we not lose with another one? Or have modkills changed that? We could lynch Exo and see what he flips yes? Cause exo was tracked to ritoky. | ||
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##Vote: Vivax | ||
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HAMMER HASN'T DROPPED NOWNOWNOW UNVOTE NOWNOWNOW VOTE VIVAX | ||
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Due to special powers, Exo is not currently being lynched. Please remedy BM's well-meant albeit just terrible gambit by voting off Vivax. Please do so before aforementioned powers wane. | ||
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Godspeed. | ||
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Scum would send Vivax for all faction kills. Since kush was delivering KP, this suggests both KP are from scum. QED. | ||
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Scum # / 2 round up / down. | ||
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On July 17 2014 04:12 Koshi wrote: We need the SK to kill scum. If there is no SK HiroPro slipped. Anyway lynch Vivax HiroPro Vivax ritoky That order. Not sure where you are getting that, but I'm all aboard for lynching HiroPro tomorrow. | ||
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Not being tracked just means you didn't do anything that day. It does not clear you of being scum, unless there is only 1 scum left that HAS to deliver KP. Specifically I am addressing the bats track on N3. It means he didn't do anything that night. Doesn't necessarily indicate not scum. | ||
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So before the flip all he did was tunnel Damdred. After the flip he isn't doing anything. Dude is scum. | ||
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On July 19 2014 03:40 slOosh wrote: And I'm gonna clear this out here. Not being tracked just means you didn't do anything that day. It does not clear you of being scum, unless there is only 1 scum left that HAS to deliver KP. Specifically I am addressing the bats track on N3. It means he didn't do anything that night. Doesn't necessarily indicate not scum. | ||
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Something something scum. | ||
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Stop being so cocky. | ||
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Uhh I got the idea from ... some game Dr.H ran a long time ago. | ||
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I dunno, seems like we should just keep on lynching mafia. I don't see something that really indicates SK. | ||
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But I still value behavioral analysis over all and I think HiroPro is scum who we should lynch today. layabout I had as town on behaviour before the RB notification. | ||
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That's my current interpretation. | ||
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On July 17 2014 00:13 Vivax wrote: We have to know what that batsnacks ritoky shit was all about. A joke? A reaction test? Serious turned into non-serious?Anyway I feel that part hasn't really been touched yet. On July 17 2014 00:33 Vivax wrote: And well, I'd like to hear more about this batsnacks ritoky thingy. I feel like something important might have been buried there. Vivax clearly wanted town to focus attention on the interaction between batsnacks and ritoky, hoping someone would bite. My guess here is that bats might be town and scum are doing funky shots to make someone look incriminating. But at the end of the day, it's still lynch who is scummiest, not on actions / setup, but rather behaviour. We lynch HiroPro today. | ||
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On July 20 2014 06:47 Toadesstern wrote: Yes I was expecting weird shots to throw us off and cast doubt but I just wasn't expecting mafia KP to be unaltered after 3 mafias have flipped on d5 so far... Maybe it's some kind of static KP but I've never heard of that before. If that'd be the case I would have expected the roles to be mixed between people who can deliver KP and people who can't to get some kind of boundary in there for "lategame". So far every single mafia was able to deliver KP. I honestly can't see SK existing when ghost Vivax delivers every single mafia KP and kush gets caught delivering KP. It's some sort of mechanic in play accounting for the balance, but I'm not as put off by it. I'd rather we start piling votes on HiroPro so we can see what he flips. | ||
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BM and Wile, please put your votes on him. Toads and layabout, take your time to think through, but I would like this game to progress a bit quicker if possible. bats, you have 1 cycle left. | ||
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Too bad you haven't done crap all game to back it up. | ||
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So he thinks Wile E. is town. Scum have perfect information. Ergo, batsnacks is scum. QED. | ||
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TOAD WHERE ARE YOU DONT YOU START LURKING ON ME | ||
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So what it ends up looking like, is you trolling everyone. No matter what your self perception may be, it's not necessarily what others see, regardless of if "they should" or not. So, unless you act in some sort of manner that can bring other players into mutual understanding, it can only be interpreted as scum tactics, as scum do not want to divulge their thoughts or develop discussions or come to agreement. I'm stating now, perhaps for the last time, that I will be pushing for your lynch until death of either party, unless I can see some change in your behaviour that leads me to believe that you are town. Furthermore, I'll be working to stymie anything that you try to do in this thread by treating it as scum agenda. It is true you can play this game the way you personally want. But just know that your choices have consequences. | ||
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It is true that I don't want to lose, but that is independent of my alignment. But we'll leave it off here, as I've grown weary of these logically flimsy accusations. | ||
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I really like the nerfed blue roles in this game. It allows the extra element of night actions and discussions compared to an all vanilla setup, but doesn't make it something that can snowball too hard for either side. | ||
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