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On July 10 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 05:23 kushm4sta wrote:On July 10 2014 05:18 IAmRobik wrote:
Why aren't you as active this game as the last one?
What are your reads now that iamp flipped town? Specifically on yamato, cora and prplhz last game you are talking about a mini right? i have shit to do during the day and I couldn't keep up with the amount of posts. large games have way more reading than minis. I actually spent over an hour reading this game but I only got to page 27. My plan from here on out is to keep up with the game and go through filters. Read on yamato and cora is town. Prplhz is scum. I have to look at his filter again to make sure though. what makes yamato and cora town? I know what I think you're gonna say about yamato, but I'll listen to it anyway. The cora read must be thoroughly explained though with quotes and all that jazz
let me know if you are actually considering me as scum because then i'll just stop talking to you
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On July 10 2014 05:28 kushm4sta wrote:
i did that already
Link please
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On July 10 2014 05:28 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote:On July 10 2014 05:23 kushm4sta wrote:On July 10 2014 05:18 IAmRobik wrote:
Why aren't you as active this game as the last one?
What are your reads now that iamp flipped town? Specifically on yamato, cora and prplhz last game you are talking about a mini right? i have shit to do during the day and I couldn't keep up with the amount of posts. large games have way more reading than minis. I actually spent over an hour reading this game but I only got to page 27. My plan from here on out is to keep up with the game and go through filters. Read on yamato and cora is town. Prplhz is scum. I have to look at his filter again to make sure though. what makes yamato and cora town? I know what I think you're gonna say about yamato, but I'll listen to it anyway. The cora read must be thoroughly explained though with quotes and all that jazz let me know if you are actually considering me as scum because then i'll just stop talking to you
I think that the vote on iamp is weird and doesnt speak highy in your favor. Why vote him as the 12th or so vote with 4+ hours to go especially if you are going to be around anyway
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yeah nvm i'm giving prplhz a townread.
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Why is it unreasonable to think you're scum?
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prplhz's townie quotes
he has two posts read them yourself. i don't like his case at all seems forced and on an easy target and the "why is he asking people for reads early in the game? SCUM" is just a terrible argument, people do whatever the fuck in early game.
i really cannot believe that you or anyone else would ever think that townies regularly go "i'll just lynch a townie, and then i'll lynch a townie. i don't give a fuck." if you believe that townies don't care about lynching scum or solving the game then i have no idea why you're even playing.
add to that a lot of activity and involvement in the goings on in the thread.
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So i know it makes sense to vig me but can you hold off at least for tonight? I am enjoying going through the thread and the lynch isn't for days
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On July 08 2014 07:56 HiroPro wrote:
y dis game have so many posts?
hiropro's 1 post...nice
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Checking in for the night, just to let people know I'm attentive, just silent.
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If people are questioning my differing posting this game, it isn't because I'm not reading
I will be much more active on Day 2 for a reason
I have a plan
Toodles
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On July 10 2014 05:52 kushm4sta wrote:hiropro's 1 post...nice
Good find. Do you plan on voting him tomorrow?
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On July 10 2014 07:57 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 05:52 kushm4sta wrote:On July 08 2014 07:56 HiroPro wrote:
y dis game have so many posts? hiropro's 1 post...nice Good find. Do you plan on voting him tomorrow?
no it wasn't my plan.
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Would appear I missed the lynch, guess that's what happens when you take heavy duty pain meds and sleep for 13 hrs... I would have voted for yamato77, but you can take that or leave it.
I think it is kinda absurd that people don't think this guy is mafia. I mean his entire game so far is acting like he is doing stuff, but not really doing anything.
On July 08 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote:
I'm a connoiseur of Cora lynches, and its usually pretty funny to do so, but I think he's legit town this game and I have a vested interest in winning.
Cora thus far has come out with his little reads post, and then has since been under fire for it. This happens literally every game he plays. The way he defends himself is genuine this game, as opposed to the forced way he went about it in Quiet Game where he was scum. Believe me, I know the difference.
Here let me pocket/sheep cora and defend him very early. Since then they have basically had identical views. For those in order mafia, I remember koshi and I got very mad and yelled for 2 solid days about chrom doing something very similar that game very early on, and voila he was mafia.
On July 08 2014 04:26 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax/VE is a weird dynamic
Something meaningful is there, dunno what yet.
Non-committal bs to look active.
On July 08 2014 04:41 yamato77 wrote:
Rob, you're posting lots of things, but many of them aren't really helping anyone find mafia.
Its good that you have reads, but I don't find them very convincing. I have my own reads, and I trust my methods more than yours. You should trust my methods, I've played with many of these players far more than you have.
"You're wrong robik, trust my reads even though I have only given one all game thus far. Oh, and btw I won't tell you why or how you're wrong, just trust me bro."
On July 08 2014 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
so let me get this straight forumite, you called prplhz town early on for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, made a horrible read on toad based on this complete fabrication (which you still stand by), and are supposedly doing so because you can't read prplhz and don't want to waste town's time.
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Here he is, 3rd on the wagon for the forumite train and for a terrible reason, in fact one that's not even true. forumite gave a reason, it wasn't good; but it was a reason.
On July 08 2014 05:05 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People I like
Robik
Toad
Koshi
Kush
Iamperfection
Batsnacks
People I don't Like
Yamato
ExO
Damdred
People I don't necessarily care for but wouldn't lynch today
Vivax
VE
Layabout
Robik
Forumite
Cora
Drunk
Layabout
I'm caught up with the thread and will be commenting/asking questions from here on out.
Anybody in the Don't like list can be shot or lynched.
If you want reads for any of them ask me.
Also, if you want my opinion on a certain subject talked about in the last whatever pages, ask me.
Otherwise, I'm not commenting much on anything from before this post unless asked to.
Everything after this post is fair game.
Also, Turkey pot pies are the shizz. worst post all time srsly, why post these things when I'm trying to go to sleep
Nuff said.
On July 09 2014 23:32 yamato77 wrote:
I skimmed your filter from catastrophe, iamp, and then found the reasons I wanted to lynch you that game, and decided that it's really not that much different from this game aside from your sheer activity.
I do not like the content of your posts, iamp, and I feel like you've been angling for easy mislynches all game so far.
##Vote iamperfection
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
73 pages in and he thinks the best course of action is to sheep a meta read with none of his own real input. Not even an explanation or a quote behind "I feel like you've been angling for easy mislynches all game so far". One would think at that point there is a decent enough amount of content to make a case or at least have an original thought.
In fact pretty sure that's just false. As in his last read post Iamp listed his top 3 mafia as: Cora, Toad, and Damnedred. I mean maybe Damnedred is angling for an easy ML based on your perspective, but the other two are not at all.
I have only played one game with yamato77, so I can't really speak to the validity of this post; but maybe others can:
On July 09 2014 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
Listen to me Yamato is supposedly a meta expert on me and he is willing to lynch me. He can not honestly think that i am scum if he reads my entire filter. I know im town so therefore i know my filter adheres to my town meta it dosnt look like yamato is even bothering to look hard at my filter and just hoping to get me out of the game.
On July 10 2014 00:10 yamato77 wrote:
I am 100% on iamp being mafia
You were 100% wrong.
Overall, I think he didn't do much on his own this entire game, he promised us on multiple occasions that his reads on cora and iamp were golden and they weren't, he didn't even use any game related info after 73 pages to justify his vote, he was a late comer (3rd or later) on multiple bandwagons and a loud voice on them after he was on them, and he weirdly hard defended cora early.
I just don't like the guy, he is scummy. If I had a night action that involved shooting or checking, I feel he would be a high priority candidate.
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Some more catching up.
On July 08 2014 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:Okay I don't think this answer from forumite fits at all: Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote:On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:On July 08 2014 00:27 Toadesstern wrote:
waitwaitwait. That reasoning is stupid as hell but people use it. I do the same whenever I'm dealing with VE and it works wonders. No problem there and towniepoints for not being afraid to mention something that ridiculous lol.
However, this "strategy" is so odd that he shouldn't be expecting other people to use it as well. He's basicly stating that prplhz is town because he looks slightly scummy. If anything the guy should be gushing over me about how I'm a god at mafia for seeing that but STILL being wrong nonetheless according to him. Right? Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum. The plot thickings *dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again.
I kinda like this post.
On July 08 2014 23:33 IAmRobik wrote:
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I did however agree with VE's read on mderg. I think he was the one who said that he was afraid to interact. He was more than happy to engage with people in previous games and seems less than active in this game. Obviously the two of them wouldn't be scum buddies though.
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I already said that comment from me was not to be taken seriously and I thought the smiley in my post made that obvious.
On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi
This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me.
So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie.
Going to bed now. If it goes on like this, I will have caught up in about 2 days...
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wow mderg that's pretty scummy
you haven't changed at all since:
On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out.
##Vote: mderg
If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on.
Wait it's an omgus, that's almost an action
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On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie.
Layabout I find your shitting on mderg's post overly simplistic and just untrue.
Look at his reasoning which I quoted. Do you not find that valid? What is scummy about it?
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layabout you have nothing townie in your filter. just a bunch of promises to read the thread.
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at page 42 and i can't believe that koshi could head up a wagon
kinda don't want to post properly yet but since you insist kush..
On July 10 2014 09:32 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2014 08:44 mderg wrote:On July 08 2014 23:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I actually like yamato and I'm nullish leaning town on prplhz, so I'm actually gonna stop pushing mderg becase A) I'm not getting any support for it and B) because ObiWan is an equally good lynch fmp. So yeah.
##Unvote
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This looks really bad to me. Considering how convinced you were of me being scum this unvote was surprisingly easy. I also can´t really grasp your reasons for voting ObiWanShinobi. I think you mentioned him 1 time before that vote and that mention didn´t look like a scumread to me. So you decide to change your vote from your biggest scumread to someone who somehow is an equally good lynch. There is a lack of explanation and it doesn´t make you look very townie. Layabout I find your shitting on mderg's post overly simplistic and just untrue. Look at his reasoning which I quoted. Do you not find that valid? What is scummy about it?
kush the very statement that VE was convinced mderg was scum is untrue.
If you look at VE's posts around the time he is clearly willing to move to Exo could get behind a forumite lynch and is open to nearly anyone that isn't very active as a potential lynch.
Hell look at his vote post:
On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out.
##Vote: mderg
If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on.
On July 08 2014 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Re: Forumite, I didn't like the reasons he said he was suspicious of Koshi - initially it was because of his fluffy riddle posts at the beginning, and he further went on to say that he "hitched onto" Toad's case on Forumite adding his own "complex reasoning" or whatever. So ultimately that's where his vote is.
And his read on prplhz...like, at first he said like "99% sure" and has described him as confirmed town. And the reasoning he gave is pretty bad - but not one I can really argue with because it's based on a personal metric that may or may not be true.
I want to hear others' thoughts on Forumite. I think ultimately I'd rather wait on him, but I might be convinced to lynch him.
On July 08 2014 10:57 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 10:48 yamato77 wrote:
This thread is depressing.
VE, I read mderg before I went to sleep and didn't feel all that put off by his filter. What posts make you feel like he's just posting to post?
Also, could you read ObiWan for me? Just that he hasn't posted any opinions of anyone or anything that's happened. Like, the only time he has anything even close to relevant to say, it's in response to people calling him out.
It's mostly a "feels" thing with mderg, but it's a strong "feels" for me. He "feels" scummy to me. I know you love my "feels". Click the nested bit!!
mderg says that that isn't "close to a scumread" however, I would say it's a description of scummy behavior making it pretty much "close to a scumread" mderg is either lying or is inattentive.
His actions not only fit but match VE's day1 play in nearly every game i have seen him in. VE's vote typically bounces around all over the place. VE is clearly open to a number of lynches and is actively considering other lynche candidate eg corazon. Mderg's point that VE swapped from a hard read to someone who he didn't think was scummy is also totally misrepresentative.
mderg is not only adding a throwaway point but one that is not valid
If you still aren't convinced about VE give this a read:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?user=VisceraEyes&page=2
mderg addresses VE's switch by suggesting that VE never thought mderg was mafia in the first place
This leaves the idea that VE is mafia and acted knowing that mderg is town,
not just in a way suggest's VE is mafia because mderg thinks VE is mafia. This is making a point in the way mafia might attempt to as they benefit from doing so.
I will likely get onto this later but nothing looked town about obiwan's entrance into the thread and i am surprised it hasn't been jumped on yet
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22528115
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On July 10 2014 10:03 kushm4sta wrote:
layabout you have nothing townie in your filter. just a bunch of promises to read the thread.
yeah well ive been getting to the thread pretty late in the day and i have struggled to motivate myself I have also been going slowly today since there isn't an immediate pressure to catch up and i have devised a new method of making notes. Oh and a bit of IRL and personal stuff.
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