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On July 08 2014 04:53 yamato77 wrote: so let me get this straight forumite, you called prplhz town early on for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, made a horrible read on toad based on this complete fabrication (which you still stand by), and are supposedly doing so because you can't read prplhz and don't want to waste town's time. ..................................................................................................................... ? where did you get the no reason at all part? didn't he post earlier that in all games where he got a slight scum read early on prp that prp ended up flipping town. as a result he has decided to flip his read? so when he get slight scum -> town, when gets town -> slight scum? i think he even posted about how he got the slight scum feels too when someone questioned it. you read the thread bro? | ||
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On July 08 2014 05:03 Toadesstern wrote: There's two ways to inrepret that sentence: 1) "why did you post it - for no reason" 2) "how did you get to that conclusion - for no reason" The 2nd one would be a lie but considering that I aksed about the first one and forumite answered that very question I'm pretty sure that's what Yamato tried to say. Those are two completly different things. 1) so you're saying that his lack of an agenda behind his post makes him mafia on d1? Yeah I am not really buying that. If you want to call people out for posting without an agenda or posting useless stuff, your list gonna be pretty long. I don't see how him not having an agenda by calling someone town and then giving a reason why (albeit a bad reason) when asked makes him mafia. 2) you sure are really trying to throw a lot of shade based on very little. | ||
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On July 08 2014 05:07 27ninjabunnies wrote: Let's just get this out of the way. You fake red me, then screw up your claim, I get you lynched, and Actually, strike that. You're probably mafia. nah, only gonna fake claim cop this game if i think robik is mafia and in a place where he won't be lynched; pretty sure i can get him to get himself modkilled if i do it again | ||
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On July 08 2014 05:14 Toadesstern wrote: I say prplhz is mafia Forumite turns to me and tells ME "Toad, stop voting the guy, he's totally town" without explaining or trying to make me change my mind. He see's me trying to get a, supposedly, townie lynched and doesn't bother to do anything about it besides mentioning it. How is the lack of agenda in that one not a problem for you? Yo, ego-centric much? Don't have to bold and capitalize me. So what do you think? He's mafia deflecting off of mafia or mafia deflecting off of town? | ||
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On July 08 2014 05:22 IAmRobik wrote: Ritoky is playing really awkwardly and he hasn't posted an american flag yet. watch out sorry, my inner american is still depressed about the world cup. | ||
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On July 08 2014 05:32 27ninjabunnies wrote: Mafia. Seriously, out of all the american flags to post, you put one with MILEY CYRUS in it? That's not very American at all. was too mesmerized by the waving flag and sparkly confetti to even notice the woman, i am sorry. | ||
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i am a taken man, i don't look at other women! how dare you question my integrity!!! and my passion for my country!!!! and to think, i was going to send you an apple pie for christmas!?!?! | ||
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can you quote what gave you your slight scum read on prp that you then flipped into a town read? also what do you think of toades' point regarding you directing the post at him and not having an agenda behind it? | ||
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yeah, well maybe i smell better, so he will respond to me? | ||
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On July 08 2014 05:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: Hahaha, this made me laugh. You must be a stand up comedian. If you are, work on your jokes a bit, but you got promise. Just because you are taken doesn't mean you can't look. And I can make my own apple pie. I'm quite the baker. How did you score higher on than me on the how texas are you quiz??? You are denying free food, that is like....the least American thing I have ever seen. | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'm not being rude. The only person I've been even semi rude to is you. And that's only semi rudeness. pretty sure you refused my apple pie, i would consider that rude! | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:44 Toadesstern wrote: nothing that stood out for me either way as of yet. I got some chills when he said he doesn't trust me because it felt a little buddy-buddy / trying to make fun with me but we do know each other so that's fine with me. As for real input... I can't even remember anything he's done except for that post when he quoted the list post which seemed a little weak. Completly null on him right now. Other than that I think his/her figure looks pretty awesome if you ignore legs and knees: + Show Spoiler + That's very odd to me, because in his filter he states that cora is off the table in his mind for similarly as vague and useless of reasons as forum had in regard to prp. And cora is one of your lynch targets. On July 08 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote: I'm a connoiseur of Cora lynches, and its usually pretty funny to do so, but I think he's legit town this game and I have a vested interest in winning. Cora thus far has come out with his little reads post, and then has since been under fire for it. This happens literally every game he plays. The way he defends himself is genuine this game, as opposed to the forced way he went about it in Quiet Game where he was scum. Believe me, I know the difference. Doesn't really seem fully consistent to me. | ||
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On July 08 2014 09:01 Alakaslam wrote: pfft you misinterpret yamato. He makes perfect sense there. Cora does the same scummy thing every game Cora gets called out on it every game Cora defends differently in an alignment indicative way Yamato concludes that his defending here is his town way how is that inconsistent because i think yamato's reasoning is equally as bad as forums, but he is only critical of 1 | ||
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On July 09 2014 01:39 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'd actually lynch Obiwan and Ritoky. I have a better case on Ritoky. He comes into the thread with this: Which to me seems super forced, and a lame joke from previous games. (Those who played in those games understand) Then he has a back and forth with me, and basically just peaces out. Nothing productive at all, except maybe this post with toad/yamato But even then, I don't see anything in the way of scumhunting. So ##Vote: Ritoky Also, I still have like 3 page to read, but wanted to get this out there. Your read on me is literally the worst ever lol. Your 1st point is dumb, go read Order, my 1st post is an America joke referencing the previous thread where I trolled with the power of freedom. Your 2nd point is dumb because I was scum hunting. I thought that what forum said was pretty stupid. Not necessarily scummy, but stupid. I felt that he was unfairly castigated for it, and very quickly by 2 people: toades and yamato. I kinda liked toades after I asked him questions so I backed off, but I didn't like yamato for sheeping toades and then vanishing. So I asked toades his read on yamato, and moved on. Since then I have been experiencing the wonders of valium and getting your wisdom teeth removed, and while I read the thread; I doubt the last 2 pages left any lasting impressions on me. All I remember is banks saying "hey hey hey, gonna read" then I saw him on video mafia, then he never posted. Also, a lot of people say they don't like VE, but I don't really get that; I like him quite a bit, but that may be the valium speaking. Maybe you should take advice from forum bunnies and flip your reads on certain people, i.e. me. p.s. I actually made a pie last night. Jelly? | ||
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On July 09 2014 03:33 27ninjabunnies wrote: How would you know if they made lasting impressions if you haven't even read the last 20 pages? I don't need to flip any of my reads, because I think I have pretty good reads this game. I totally agree banks (poofter for those of you who don't know) should step up his game. Also, I made homemade cheesecake, get rekt. I said I did read them, but I read them under the influence of valium and oral surgery. Hence why I have sincere concerns about their level of weight in my mind. You also thought you had good reads last game and basically town read the entire mafia Also I dislike your agreeing with that one dude's reads post. For 2 reasons: 1) you like it, yet you disagree with 2 of his bolded reads. not just the normal one's, the bolded ones. 2) you didn't ask any questions about it. the super town bunnies i remember woulda been like NUH UH you don't just post a list without raisins (reasons) in MAH TOWN! But then again pretty sure you posted a list without raisins earlier. Meh, I made strawberry rhubarb pie, depending on the flavor of the cheesecake I may have gotten rekt. | ||
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On July 09 2014 03:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: I can be wrong ya know!!!! I like raisins. And reasons. And I said I could totally expand on my reasons for my reads. The reason why I didn't question kush is because his list is based up on things til page 27, not up to the pages we are now. His reasons might change from there on. Though I admit, I am curious on his reads from that point on why he bolded those 3 people. Also, I made original cheesecake and a strawberry cheesecake. So yummm. This confuses me. I want to call it not a townie mindset, but I lynched someone in the newbie game (sqrtofneg1?) for this same sentiment and he was town; so I hesitate. Why do you have to be provoked to substantiate reads? As town you should want the most information possible available to you, whether that is from you providing it or asking others for it. Idk, that bothers me and makes me think you have something to hide. | ||
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On July 09 2014 04:14 Forumite wrote: *choke* x_x You are imagining things. Also I try my best to lynch scum. Why are you trying to show townieness by saying "I´m town" instead of doing pro-town things, like NOT flaming anyone who looks at you sideways? robik is just a blustery guy. he spent like 10 pages telling me i was the worst player ever last game. it's just part of his general persona and tone; try not to take it personal, it's not about you mate. | ||
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I think it is kinda absurd that people don't think this guy is mafia. I mean his entire game so far is acting like he is doing stuff, but not really doing anything. On July 08 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote: I'm a connoiseur of Cora lynches, and its usually pretty funny to do so, but I think he's legit town this game and I have a vested interest in winning. Cora thus far has come out with his little reads post, and then has since been under fire for it. This happens literally every game he plays. The way he defends himself is genuine this game, as opposed to the forced way he went about it in Quiet Game where he was scum. Believe me, I know the difference. Here let me pocket/sheep cora and defend him very early. Since then they have basically had identical views. For those in order mafia, I remember koshi and I got very mad and yelled for 2 solid days about chrom doing something very similar that game very early on, and voila he was mafia. On July 08 2014 04:26 yamato77 wrote: Vivax/VE is a weird dynamic Something meaningful is there, dunno what yet. Non-committal bs to look active. On July 08 2014 04:41 yamato77 wrote: Rob, you're posting lots of things, but many of them aren't really helping anyone find mafia. Its good that you have reads, but I don't find them very convincing. I have my own reads, and I trust my methods more than yours. You should trust my methods, I've played with many of these players far more than you have. "You're wrong robik, trust my reads even though I have only given one all game thus far. Oh, and btw I won't tell you why or how you're wrong, just trust me bro." On July 08 2014 04:53 yamato77 wrote: so let me get this straight forumite, you called prplhz town early on for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, made a horrible read on toad based on this complete fabrication (which you still stand by), and are supposedly doing so because you can't read prplhz and don't want to waste town's time. ..................................................................................................................... Here he is, 3rd on the wagon for the forumite train and for a terrible reason, in fact one that's not even true. forumite gave a reason, it wasn't good; but it was a reason. On July 08 2014 05:05 yamato77 wrote: worst post all time srsly, why post these things when I'm trying to go to sleep Nuff said. On July 09 2014 23:32 yamato77 wrote: I skimmed your filter from catastrophe, iamp, and then found the reasons I wanted to lynch you that game, and decided that it's really not that much different from this game aside from your sheer activity. I do not like the content of your posts, iamp, and I feel like you've been angling for easy mislynches all game so far. ##Vote iamperfection LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 73 pages in and he thinks the best course of action is to sheep a meta read with none of his own real input. Not even an explanation or a quote behind "I feel like you've been angling for easy mislynches all game so far". One would think at that point there is a decent enough amount of content to make a case or at least have an original thought. In fact pretty sure that's just false. As in his last read post Iamp listed his top 3 mafia as: Cora, Toad, and Damnedred. I mean maybe Damnedred is angling for an easy ML based on your perspective, but the other two are not at all. I have only played one game with yamato77, so I can't really speak to the validity of this post; but maybe others can: On July 09 2014 22:57 iamperfection wrote: Listen to me Yamato is supposedly a meta expert on me and he is willing to lynch me. He can not honestly think that i am scum if he reads my entire filter. I know im town so therefore i know my filter adheres to my town meta it dosnt look like yamato is even bothering to look hard at my filter and just hoping to get me out of the game. On July 10 2014 00:10 yamato77 wrote: I am 100% on iamp being mafia You were 100% wrong. Overall, I think he didn't do much on his own this entire game, he promised us on multiple occasions that his reads on cora and iamp were golden and they weren't, he didn't even use any game related info after 73 pages to justify his vote, he was a late comer (3rd or later) on multiple bandwagons and a loud voice on them after he was on them, and he weirdly hard defended cora early. I just don't like the guy, he is scummy. If I had a night action that involved shooting or checking, I feel he would be a high priority candidate. | ||
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On July 11 2014 10:47 batsnacks wrote: Ritoky, did you -really- make pie? Or were you just saying that? yeah i made pie, i had my wisdom teeth pulled the following day, so i was making pie for myself as a last day hoorah before i couldn't eat solid food for a week or so. reading the thread now, been sleeping a lot cuz strong pain meds can do that to ya | ||
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On July 10 2014 23:06 Palmar wrote: ObiWanShinobi the Mafia Janitor is dead Janitor When someone needs to not only die, but disappear, you are the man for the job. Feeding victims to pigs is just monday in your world. Twice in the game you can send in the name of a player. You will kill that player, and his body will mysteriously disappear. The target will not flip. You win when the mafia can not be stopped. You are also able to deliver one mafia KP per night, in addition to your abilities. We aren't allowed to ask questions to the mod in the thread, but the way this is worded is disturbing to me. Cuz normal janitor has the body flip but it flips as ??????. This says the person mysteriously disappears and will not flip. So uhhhh, does that mean someone could be dead in the game right now and we don't know about it? If that's the case I might just systematically start voting on every single person in the game, wait for a vote count to confirm they are alive, then move to the next person. | ||
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also, wtf, why did a blue role dq himself? | ||
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This is kinda a policy thing for me now, but every time I have played on this forum there has been someone in the thread who does this: On July 11 2014 06:42 slOosh wrote: I want to play a game where we have a bunch of people, and we kill the last one to cast a vote. The pool being ritoky, batsnacks, mderg, sinani, damdred and hiropro. And they can only vote for other people in the pool. Best game ever. Jk, I'll be reading up on these dudes, but I'm like reasonably sure like 2 or 3 mafia are in here. They make a list of inactives/lurkers/low hanging fruit and suggest that we start lynching them. And so far, through 6 games I have played on these forums, the first person to do it has been mafia 100% of the time. So, by that coin I am instantly reading sloosh as mafia. On July 11 2014 10:45 layabout wrote: i am not worried about ritoky right now the most valuable things from obi's flip in my eyes are the things people said about him and this list: *green colour is potentially subject to change although unlikely to I also think this post is naive, it was an overwhelming vote on a townie; would have been easy to hide a vote for credibility during that vote. | ||
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D1: iamperfection (14): prplhz, toadesstern, sloosh, harurh, visceraeyes, obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta, yamato77, alakaslam, koshi, forumite, vivax, sinani206, corazon corazon (2): iamperfection, iamrobik exo_ (1): damdred ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies obiwanshinobi (1): exo_ forumite (1): bill hiropro (1): batsnacks Non-voters: ritoky, hiropro, mderg, layabout, tehpoofter Note: underlines are for 3rd party D2: exo_ (1): mderg billmurray (3): toadesstern, yamato77, hiropro mderg (11): sloosh, vivax, harurh, sinani206, kushm4sta, alakaslam, exo_, prplhz, layabout, forumite, damnedred forumite (3): visceraeyes, billmurray, koshi Non-voters: ritoky, corazon, vivax, batsnacks i think this looks right? it's a little bit cobbled together but i think it's accurate. | ||
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toadesstem - townie (lycnhed), unknown (not lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection -Townies voted on - 1 - iamperfection -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - yamato77 (2) sloosh - townie (lynched), townie (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - vivax, harurh, sinani206, kushm4sta, alakaslam, forumite (2) harurh - townie (lynched), townie (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - vivax, sloosh, sinani206, kushm4sta, alakaslam, forumite (2) Visceraeyes - townie (lynched), unknown (not lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection -Mafia voted on -0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi 3rd party voted on - 0 Most frequently votes with - koshi (2) kushm4sta - townie (lynched), townie (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - vivax, harurh, sinani206, sloosh, alakaslam, forumite (2) yamato77 - townie (lynched), unknown (not lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - toadesstem (2) alakaslam - townie (lynched), townie (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - vivax, harurh, sinani206, sloosh, kushm4sta, forumite (2) koshi - townie (lynched), unknown (not lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection -Mafia voted on -0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi 3rd party voted on - 0 Most frequently votes with - visceraeyes (2) forumite - townie (lynched), townie (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - vivax, harurh, sinani206, sloosh, kushm4sta, alakaslam (2) vivax - townie (lynched), n/a -Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinboi -3rd party voted on - 0 Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once) corazon - townie (lynched)(H), n/a -Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinboi -3rd party voted on - 0 Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once) damnedred - unknown (not lynched), townie (lynched)(H) -Lynches contributed to - 1 - mderg -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once) ExO_ - mafia (not lynched), townie (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 1 - mderg -Mafia voted on - 1 - obiwanshinobi -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once) Bill Murray - unknown (not lynched), unknown (not lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 0 -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - visceraeyes, koshi (1) batsnack - unknown (not lynched), n/a -Lynches contributed to - 0 -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - n/a ritoky - n/a, n/a -Lynches contributed to - 0 -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - n/a hiropro - n/a, unknown (not lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 0 -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - toadesstem, yamato77 (1) layabout - n/a, townie (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 1 -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once) sorry for the length, this is a copy/paste from my word doc i keep (those from order will recognize this) Note: A bolded H stands for hammer vote. Conclusions and reads to follow shortly. | ||
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Scum read #1: ExO_: This may seem weird being that he is the only person in the entire game who has left their vote on a confirmed mafia member thus far, but that's part of the reason why he is so suspicious to me. He actively refused to play the game during day 1, yet magically landed on a mafia without even reading the thread: On July 09 2014 00:01 ExO_ wrote: ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi I'm going to be completely honest I haven't read the thread in it's entirety. But from what I have skimmed through, it looked like forumite was pushed up prematurely for silly Day 1 reasons. So I prefer Obi instead. Seems a little too convenient to me, as if he was busing early for credibility later in the game. Since then, he has promised analysis, activity, and all kindsa stuff; but what has been delivered? 4 posts. His filter is smaller and less substantive than mine, and I have basically been asleep and high on pain killers from having my wisdom teeth pulled for the past 3 days. On July 11 2014 06:54 ExO_ wrote: kk World Cup Mafia is over, gonna start the long task of filter diving and analyzing day 1 votes while watching some dota Here's his most substantive post: On July 11 2014 18:24 ExO_ wrote: So far I think Toad/Layabout/Viscera are town. They are all very actively trying to solve the game and I don't think that mafia would be doing it quite like this at this point. I'm not sure that I think the case on mderg is that great, but his silence is disturbing. Seems like he's letting the case on him pass hoping the stuff with BM takes over. I'm not sure what to think about him, could flip either way at this point. But I don't understand why BM would fake claim role block? It doesn't make any sense. And I don't fully understand the masoning stuff happening with Koshi/prplhz could somebody explain to me how that would work? And I definitely think scum is lurking right now, so I'm suspicious of people such as: Forumite/Alakaslam/Damdred/HaruRH/layabout and would like to hear from them in the thread I would like to draw your attention to the list of lurkers and ask you: WTF? Pretty sure a couple of those aren't even close to the largest lurkers in the thread. Especially since my name wasn't on it. I think he bussed on day 1, and is lurking now. And if that wasn't enough, guess who was deflecting off of ExO_ and onto harurh d1? Confirmed mafia. On July 09 2014 03:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: a bunch of people stole what i wanted to post on exo. what i found odd is that haru is doing the same thing and everyone is giving him a pass: haru washes away his shitposts with the same reasoning of "im bad so i can feel free to do bad stuff" but i didnt see anyone calling him out for it, even though bunch of people jumped on exo for doing the same thing. Scum read #2: sloosh - I said it earlier and I will say it again, from my 6 games on these forums; the first guy who comes out with a list of lurkers/low hanging fruit and suggests we lynch them all has been mafia 100% of the time. It's kinda a policy thing, but when I analyze the rest of his game he has some townie portions. Unfortunately a lot of his reads have been very opposite from mine this game as well. Scum read #3: yamato77 - This one is fading slowly because I am seeing him do more townie things. There are two large things that bug me about yamato77: 1) To me, he always seems to be the 2nd or 3rd person on board of something. Maybe I am misreading him, but he always seems to let someone else make the initial case and get it going, then he stands behind them and gives it an extra shove. A lot of this is covered in the post I made before 2) His attitude after pushing hard and promising a near 100% read on iamp: On July 10 2014 11:13 yamato77 wrote: I was wrong, who cares. Well, you were just one of the more influential people in the lynching of a townie; so if you're thinking from a town mindset then you should care, because I care. Outside of that, I think you should watch how the voting block of 6 (sloosh, vivax, harurh, alakaslam, kushm4sta, forumite) continues from this point forward as they are the only people to have lynched consecutive townies. Although for now I don't think there is more than 2 mafia in that voting block, as I feel it would become too obvious too fast to anyone paying attention to the votes. | ||
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vote: ExO_ gonna play some FIFA for a bit, may be back to type more essays later. nice 0 justification sheep vote forumite. | ||
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On July 13 2014 16:55 Forumite wrote: Yeah, sheeping BM here. What´s the opinion on batsnacks? batsnacks is town most likely, not point in saying this as mafia: On July 12 2014 06:50 batsnacks wrote: Could I ask you guys to wait another 4 hours before you hammer mderg? I won't be home for work until then. I think there's a lot of good info especially in the last 5 pages and I would appreciate the opportunity to comment on it. But I'll understand if no one wants to wait for me. plus he noticed people trying to push a ML on me early on, referencing bunnies' comment about how i am a lynch target almost every game because my reads don't tend to line up with the loudest players in the game. | ||
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On July 13 2014 18:14 yamato77 wrote: tell me ritoky, how do you think you play as town? go read every game i have played on these forums, including this one and you'll see how i play as town. i have never rolled mafia on these forums before. have rolled VT in every game except 1 where i rolled Jailkeeper. you'll also see a fairly common theme of me having reads that are quite contrary to the majority of people in the game. anywayz, i don't really see why everyone reads you so town, and i don't see what makes you full of such bravado that you are the epitome of town. maybe my read is crap and i am wrong, but i ain't sippin yo koolaid | ||
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On N1, there was only 1 known mafia KP in robik, and cora claimed to have ML-vigi shot obiwan. The janitor (who was additional mafia KP) is dead. There was 2 kp last night. So do we think both of those are mafia KP or one of them is town/3rd party? Because isn't there a world in which BM is baiting us to lynch our vigi? Idk, what do people think about these possible scenarios? That said, VE is my top town read; and I kinda agree with him that it is very doubtful that kush and BM are the same alignment. I just think we might want to consider all possibilities. | ||
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On July 14 2014 07:00 batsnacks wrote: Ritoky are you implying that kush is a vig and shot sinani, the confirmed mason? No, what I am more saying is that there was only 1 mafia KP N1, and the mafia that died reduced KP for mafia, and yet there was still 2 KP last night. I am trying to figure out why that is the case. Also, wasn't he not a mason? His claim was he can let 2 people privately chat, not that he could be involved in it. | ||
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On July 14 2014 07:16 batsnacks wrote: The point is this: "Because isn't there a world in which BM is baiting us to lynch our vigi?" Isn't a possibility. yes, there's a possibility that kush thought sinani's claim was bs and shot him. that is a possible world. i mean, if both KP weren't mafia KP; i thought prp was more town than sinani the entire game, so of the two if i were vig, the more likely shot would have been sinani. do you think both KP were mafia KP? | ||
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On July 14 2014 07:27 batsnacks wrote: Koshi and prplhz both confirmed they were connected. Why is there a possibility that anyone thought sinani was lying? didn't answer the question. | ||
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On July 14 2014 07:32 batsnacks wrote: What question? do you think both KP last night were mafia KP? | ||
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On July 14 2014 07:40 batsnacks wrote: I am certain mafia killed sinani. I would be shocked and appalled if town killed prplhz. Then what do you make of n1? When there was only 1 mafia KP? | ||
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On July 14 2014 07:57 Palmar wrote: Alakaslam is banned probably for the duration of this game. As per my no-replacement rule (which I now see is dumb as fuck, but I don't change my rules mid-game) he will remain in the game inactive. does getting banned for the duration of the game qualify as violating this rule: 1. Don't be a dick. ? | ||
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On July 14 2014 07:54 batsnacks wrote: I don't know, maybe there's a doctor? Maybe there's a survivor? Just because only 1 person died doesn't mean both KP weren't used. Do you really think town killed either sinani or prplhz? well sinani did vote to lynch consecutive townies, and his role claim wasn't a standard role, so yes i can see a world where someone who wasn't reading the thread very intently shot him. prplhz....no, not really, guy was pretty town all along. could also be a 3rd party shot as well, seeing how VE won the last version of this as an SK. all i am saying is everyone seems to see this as very black and white, and maybe you should consider alternatives because as of now KP doesn't exactly line up. | ||
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On July 14 2014 08:16 Toadesstern wrote: the claim happened before the ban if I'm not horribly mistaken. The whole conversation pattern that laya quoted could not have happened had he been banned at that time... bill's claim is on page 124, kush's last post is on 122. they were talking prior to that, but he had not said he tracked kush prior to that | ||
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D1: iamperfection (14): prplhz, toadesstern, sloosh, harurh, visceraeyes, obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta, yamato77, alakaslam, koshi, forumite, vivax, sinani206, corazon corazon (2): iamperfection, iamrobik exo_ (1): damdred ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies obiwanshinobi (1): exo_ forumite (1): bill hiropro (1): batsnacks Non-voters: ritoky, hiropro, mderg, layabout, tehpoofter Note: underlines are for 3rd party D2: exo_ (1): mderg billmurray (3): toadesstern, yamato77, hiropro mderg (11): sloosh, vivax, harurh, sinani206, kushm4sta, alakaslam, exo_, prplhz, layabout, forumite, damnedred forumite (3): visceraeyes, billmurray, koshi Non-voters: ritoky, corazon, vivax, batsnacks D3: billmurray (1): kushm4sta kushm4sta (10): toadesstern, sloosh, visceraeyes, batsnacks, yamato77, forumite, bill murray, hiropro, ritoky, harurh Non-voters: layabout, koshi, vivax, exo_, damnedred, alakaslam Note: layabout and bill murray are now green because they are 99.9% confirmed town. | ||
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toadesstem - townie (lycnhed), townie (not lynched), mafia (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, kushm4sta -Townies voted on - 2 - iamperfection, bill murray -Mafia voted on - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted with - 2 - obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - yamato77 (3) sloosh - townie (lynched), townie (lynched), mafia (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 3 - iamperfection, mderg, kushm4sta -Townies voted on - 2 - iamperfection, mderg -Mafia voted on - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted with - 3 - obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta (2) -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - harurh, forumite (3) harurh - townie (lynched), townie (lynched), mafia (lynched)(H) -Lynches contributed to - 3 - iamperfection, mderg, kushm4sta -Townies voted on - 2 - iamperfection, mderg -Mafia voted on - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted with - 3 - obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta (2) -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - sloosh, forumite (3) Visceraeyes - townie (lynched), unknown (not lynched), mafia (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, kushm4sta -Townies voted on - 1 - iamperfection -Mafia voted on - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted with - 2 - obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta 3rd party voted on - 0 Most frequently votes with - koshi, bill murray, sloosh, harurh, yamato77, forumite (2) yamato77 - townie (lynched), townie (not lynched), mafia (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, kushm4sta -Townies voted on - 2 - iamperfection, bill murray -Mafia voted on - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted with - 2 - obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - toadesstem (3) alakaslam - townie (lynched), townie (lynched), n/a -Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg -Townies voted on - 2 - iamperfection, mderg -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 3 - obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta (2) -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - vivax, harurh, sinani206, sloosh, kushm4sta, forumite (2) koshi - townie (lynched), unknown (not lynched), n/a -Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection Townies voted on - 1 - iamperfection -Mafia voted on -0 -Mafia voted with - 2 - obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta 3rd party voted on - 0 Most frequently votes with - visceraeyes (2) forumite - townie (lynched), townie (lynched), mafia (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 3 - iamperfection, mderg, kushm4sta -Townies voted on - 2 - iamperfection, mderg -Mafia voted on - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted with - 3 - obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta (2) -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - harurh, sloosh (3) vivax - townie (lynched), n/a, n/a -Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection -Townies voted on - 1 - iamperfection -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 2 - obiwanshinboi, kushm4sta -3rd party voted on - 0 Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once) damnedred - unknown (not lynched), townie (lynched)(H), n/a -Lynches contributed to - 1 - mderg -Townies voted on - 1 - mderg -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - kushm4sta -3rd party voted on - 0 Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once) ExO_ - mafia (not lynched), townie (lynched), n/a -Lynches contributed to - 1 - mderg -Townies voted on - 1 - mderg -Mafia voted on - 1 - obiwanshinobi -Mafia voted with - 1 - kushm4sta -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once) Bill Murray - unknown (not lynched), unknown (not lynched), mafia (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 1 - kushm4sta -Townies voted on - 0 -Mafia voted on - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - visceraeyes (2) batsnack - unknown (not lynched), n/a, mafia (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted on - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - (a bunch of people once) ritoky - n/a, n/a, mafia (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 1 - kushm4sta -Townies voted on - 0 -Mafia voted on - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - (a bunch of people once) hiropro - n/a, townie (not lynched), mafia (lynched) -Lynches contributed to - 1 - kushm4sta -Townies voted on - 1 - bill murray -Mafia voted on - 1 - kushm4sta -Mafia voted with - 0 -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - toadesstem, yamato77 (2) layabout - n/a, townie (lynched), n/a -Lynches contributed to - 1 - mderg -Townies voted on - 1 - mderg -Mafia voted on - 0 -Mafia voted with - 1 - kushm4sta -3rd party voted on - 0 - Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once) Note: A bolded H stands for hammer vote. Note: This list functions with bill murray, layabout, and myself as confirmed town. | ||
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you guys seem really adamant on lynching a townie. meh, i haven't been playing well this game cuz the game started right when i got my wisdom teeth removed and my reads are much different than most people's so i can understand the want to lynch me. i just kinda agree with layabout. it seems odd that i jumped up people's lists to where they are slamming votes on me for no real reason. batsnacks even said "he was trying to convince me kush is vig" when he fails to remember me saying "no i am trying to understand where the other kp came from, and kush being a vig is a possibility". anywayz, my reads have only changed slightly. I think yamato77 has dropped to 4th on my scum list. I would put ExO_, sloosh, and probably batsnacks ahead of him now. I think it is safe to assume that Alakaslam is likely not the SK/has KP, as there was the same number of KP and he would have been incapable of sending in a night action. | ||
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On July 15 2014 13:29 batsnacks wrote: As soon as I saw that you and me were connected, that was all the info I needed. Nothing needs to be said. Really because your justification for voting was so full of information. I mean the case was utterly transparent. Let's really delve into this: On July 15 2014 06:49 batsnacks wrote: ##Vote: Ritoky You can see clearly that the reason the case is so inscrutable, is that he capitalized the R in my name. The capitalization delivers the emphasis needed to give proper affirmation. I would like to see all of this info that you have, but don't seem to want to share with anyone. On July 15 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote: The thread expired at dawn. You were a little late. Uhhhh where did you get this from? Cuz I was never given this info. | ||
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On July 14 2014 07:04 ritoky wrote: No, what I am more saying is that there was only 1 mafia KP N1, and the mafia that died reduced KP for mafia, and yet there was still 2 KP last night. I am trying to figure out why that is the case. Also, wasn't he not a mason? His claim was he can let 2 people privately chat, not that he could be involved in it. | ||
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there was 2 KP N1, 1 was mafia, 1 was our vig. then a mafia who increased the mafia's KP died then on N2 there was 2 KP. I was looking into possible worlds of where that KP came from. BM fake claiming to get us to lynch our vigi was a possible world at the time. I said I didn't think it was likely and even voted (actually I was the hammer vote at 9 now that I look back) on kush. You seem to overlook the part where I was discussing an SK since VE won as an SK in the last iteration of this game. I am a townie, I don't have wealths of information and role powers at my disposal, I just post my thoughts in the thread, and try to spitball for ideas. | ||
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i had read you as town cuz of this: On July 12 2014 06:50 batsnacks wrote: Could I ask you guys to wait another 4 hours before you hammer mderg? I won't be home for work until then. I think there's a lot of good info especially in the last 5 pages and I would appreciate the opportunity to comment on it. But I'll understand if no one wants to wait for me. but now that i go through your filter, these two posts bug me: On July 11 2014 03:05 batsnacks wrote: One fish Two fish Role fish Blue fish On July 14 2014 12:15 batsnacks wrote: as a tip for BM, I'm an actual VT don't try to track me you won't get anything. The reason I'm saying that is because I think it's actually somewhat likely that he'd target me otherwise. For anyone else: If you're a cop that checks for alignments, feel free to check me though that'd obviously be a wasted check. | ||
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On July 15 2014 13:52 batsnacks wrote: dios mio he still thinks that it was possible kush was the vigilante i mean i can try and simplify it even more for you if you want, but it looks like you're not going to get it. | ||
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On July 15 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote: ritoky is about to figure out I can copy paste are you trying to be convoluted? because you're succeeding. | ||
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On July 15 2014 14:00 batsnacks wrote: idk, are you trying to be contrived? because you're succeeding. this isn't even a good attempt at trolling. you're just becoming annoying now, gonna take damn's advice and focus on other people in the game. | ||
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so are trying to antagonize me into dqing myself? or are you just normally this way? | ||
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Bill Murray - Town layabout - Town confirmed through BM/Kush check ritoky - Town - Didn't go anywhere last night according to koshi, am VT. Don't Lynch Today koshi - claim observer - giving prospective Town for now. Checks: N1 VE --> Didn't go anywhere. N2 Forumite --> Didn't go anywhere. N3 Ritoky --> Didn't go anywhere. batsnacks - Town For today he has to be green much to my chagrin, will gladly reconsider him tomorrow. Like me there was a claim he didn't do anything last night, so he shouldn't really be a lynch candidate. yamato77 - I generally don't like people who are always 2nd and 3rd on board things, and I made a case against yamato77 based primarily on gut feelings and some evidence. He has done enough to calm my bad feelings about him. I wouldn't lynch him today. He has voted every time with forumite, so forumite's alignment could influence this. That said, if he is still in the game much later, it would be concerning as he has been town read by so many so strongly. toadesstem - He has a healthy level of skepticism, a healthy level of tunnel, and has been actively attempting to piece information in the game together; reading his posts I don't get any feelings that he has any more information than I do, and thus I would give him a town pass for the day. Lynchable people sloosh - The first to push on inactives/low hanging fruit as mafia, and since hasn't stopped. Very likely scum. Have talked about it enough before. forumite - He had that very strange interaction early in the game that a lot of people jumped on him for that list includes: prp, robik, VE, toades, and koshi (a lot of town in that list). These are the last real reads he has given: On July 09 2014 23:28 Forumite wrote: Strong townread: Koshi weak townread: Toades, Alakaslam weak scumread: SloOsh no fucking idea: Bill Murray Also Robik is town and Cora is probably town. They should really stop OMGUSing eachother. That was quite some time ago, and has not really given any updates since. It should also be noted that prp was still alive at this point (whom he claimed a 99% town read on) yet not included in his reads. He has mostly been sheeping since then. Even to the point of over-aggressively sheeping BM in some of his posts when BM was faking like his check was on me and not kush. I want him to post more, since he hasn't really done any scum hunting on his own for 2 day phases. Until he does he is a lower tier scum read for me. vivax - This guy is kinda an enigma to me. I have never played with him before, and he is all kinds of levels of disengaged from the game. I had him as leaning town because of this post that I liked: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=108#2159 That said, it's the only real thing I can remember about him. A lot of his posting seemed only directed at a select few people that I guess he is friends with/played with before; and he largely ignored interacting with the rest of the game. That said, until recently I never felt like he hadn't read the thread at all. I am null leaning town on vivax, but I also think that if there is an SK in the game that he is probably high on the list of possible people. damnedred - Someone else made the case better than I could have earlier in the thread about damnedred: "he posts like he is in survival mode". I like a lot of what he says, and some of it feels really townie in terms of content and intent; but the problem is the timing. It is almost as if he only turns on his game when his name is out there with question marks next to it or it is on the block for head chopping. It just all seems a little too heavy in regards to self preservation for a townie mindset. However, he is lower on my scum list that both sloosh and ExO_ ExO_ - I still think that of the ultra-lurkers, he is the most likely to be mafia, nothing he has done has changed my mind since I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=123#2460 hiropro - Difficult to read due to lack of activity and substance in filter, the most strange part of his filter for me was that he had an early scum read on both VE and BM, yet when they claimed he seemingly accepted them without any form of question or hesitance. Has interacted strangely with Vivax a lot. Null leaning scum. Problem Child: alakaslam - Presents a problem. He is banned and supposedly for long enough that it will be the duration of the game. Confirms that he is not a nightly KP (such as SK) as he cannot send in actions while banned, but will likely have to be dealt with via lynch at some point in the game. I honestly don't know what is the best way to deal with this guy at this point. Top lynches: 1. Sloosh 2. ExO_ 3. forumite/damnred | ||
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On July 15 2014 15:21 kushm4sta wrote: am i modkilled or still in the game? you were lynched last day phase. | ||
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On July 13 2014 16:42 ritoky wrote: These scum reads are in no particular order. that is at the top of my last post, they were just numbered for organization's sake in the last post. i guess if you wanted a reason why you're above him, it would be that i feel he is doing nothing, while you're doing actively scummy things i.e. pushing the same agenda you were before. | ||
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On July 11 2014 06:42 slOosh wrote: I want to play a game where we have a bunch of people, and we kill the last one to cast a vote. The pool being ritoky, batsnacks, mderg, sinani, damdred and hiropro. And they can only vote for other people in the pool. Best game ever. Jk, I'll be reading up on these dudes, but I'm like reasonably sure like 2 or 3 mafia are in here. Before I continue, let's examine that list so far: mderg -> town, sinani -> town, batsnacks -> didn't do anything last night, ritoky -> didn't do anything last night. So the first 4 on your list are most probably all town; yet you insist on continuing down your list and that it is a correct pursuit, yet don't really justify why when your reads thus far have been bad. #2) This is an opinion thing, so feel free to debate it; but I read you as a taker and not a giver. What I mean by that is that I am put off by people who always ask and ask and ask for information from others and give out their opinions and information at a much lower rate. That reads mafia to me, in that you are trying to gauge opinion so you can place your statements properly in the current climate of the thread. #3) You aren't a leader, you're a pusher. It is very similar to the way I was reading yamato77 earlier. You're often the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th onto something; but nearly never the 1st. You get on-board when something late enough that you know it has wheels, but early enough that you don't look scummy. Your counter to this is going to be: hey, I was the first to vote on mderg, but in reality, harurh, kush, layabout, and a couple others had been hammering hard on that guy for quite a few pages before you even got involved in the matter and started the vote train. #4) You're voting on someone who did nothing last night. I haven't heard you say koshi's claim is full of shit yet, and if you do believe that, then I am okay with your vote. But I think layabout's logic is pretty sound. With the level of town roles in the game it is likely that most or all of the mafia have a role, and myself and batsnacks didn't do shit last night. #5) Your inconsistencies, really centering around 2 people and a lack of explanation about them. Your current list of scum are numbers 2,3, and 5 in terms of filter length. And a lot of your criticism of them stems from that general area of thought. Why aren't exo_ and vivax anywhere in your reads? I mean vivax was kinda there day 1, but gone since. A townie mindset would look into all 5 of us the same if that's a metric you're gauging off of (I know your case on me is slightly different). So there ya go, that's why I think you're scum. Gonna take a shower now. | ||
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On July 16 2014 06:37 Forumite wrote: Vivax seemed town and then went AFK. If he´s town then he´s not helping much, but town doesn´t gain anything from wasting a lynch on him, just another round of scum nightkills. If he´s town at least, there is a chance that he´s a mafia lurker but we have scummy active players too, so I´d prefer not to lynch Vivax. If you believe this, then why is exo_ on this list and vivax not? On July 15 2014 22:52 Forumite wrote: Sloosh, bats, Damdred, ExO Based on what happened the day kush was lynched, quoted earlier, I think Sloosh looks bad. I´m prepared to hear cases on Damdred and ExO, Damdred because of prplhz case and ExO because lurker and bad wibes. ##Vote: SlOosh #1) I want to hear YOUR case on sloosh, I was very specific, could you please be as well. #2) Why are you willing th hear cases? The town mindset is the make cases and find scum, not sit around and wait for cases to come to you. You mafia bro? | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:22 Forumite wrote: 1) Sloosh and yamato appeared to try/jump on a ritoky bandwagon while kush was pressured by BM D3, then quickly changed their minds when BM revealed that he had a real check on kush. I think sloosh and yamato are scum and when they heard the accusation against kush they knew it was true and tried to salvage townie points by joining the bandwagon early. In contrast others, like Toades, was skeptic and cast doubt on BM and his claim, which makes sense if you are a townie hearing an unverified claim from someone you previously thought was scummy. 2) ... 1) What do you make of how both of those scum reads being okay with/wanting a lynch on vivax? Also, in your list of 4 people you would lynch between today, yamato was not included; what made him scum between a few hrs ago and now? Here's the list for reminder: On July 15 2014 22:52 Forumite wrote: Sloosh, bats, Damdred, ExO Last question, if sloosh is so mafia then why have your reads have aligned with his enough to vote with him all 3 votes? 2) Not really a sufficient response. | ||
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1) Almost everyone who has posted this phase except the confirmed town and me seems pretty okay with lynching vivax; doesn't that make you hesitate? 2) If I were to replace vivax's name with exo_ or alakaslam, would the case largely be the same? So why aren't you scum reading them? or reading them at all? | ||
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