EPTTL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2
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HiroPro
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anyway, I think you guys are missing the boat on VE. I'm more interested in how VE went from saying that he wasn't interested in lynching anyone who was active to lynching the second-most active player in this game (iamperfection). The reasons that he gave don't appear very strong at all and he only said anything about the guy when sloosh prompted him to. | ||
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##Vote Damdred | ||
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On July 11 2014 06:56 Vivax wrote: VE, I think this is for you. He doesn't seem all that interested about it now so I would enjoy if you two could make a public discussion about this. He didn't ask you for your reasoning for iamp or anything, just stated he didn't like it and kinda forgot about it to then sheep prplhz on Damdred. Sort this out for the thread to see, thanks. pay a little more attention: On July 11 2014 01:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not going to answer any questions about why I voted iamp in spite of stating preference for lynching lurkers. I had an irrational response to one of his posts I think and someone (I think yamato) made some pretty good points about iamp and then I evaluated the votes for him at the time, and I was like "okay fine whatever" and voted not knowing whether I'd make it back in time to change it. | ||
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HiroPro
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On July 11 2014 07:33 Vivax wrote: Can you summarize in your own thoughts why damdred is scum? He seems highly self-conscious about people suspecting him, his reasons for voting have absolutely nothing to do with this game, and in general he has no impact on the game despite being relatively active. | ||
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HiroPro
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After reading some of the discussion about forumite I don´t think he is scum. His reason for townreading prplhz is too incomprehensible to come from mafia. As mafia I would always try to find a reason others might agree with over something like this strange meta reason. I think Toades´ line of thought was perfectly reasonable here. That he brings up these conflicting points and wants more thoughts on it seems pretty townie to me. His post sounded a bit like my townplay when I was new to mafia. I can see why people see that as scummy but I don´t think it is. Confidence in your reads isn´t alignmment indicative to me. (above in reference to Corazon)I have a hard time seeing anything that might help town in this post. You might as well have not posted anything at all. The list says almost nothing. There´s no reasons at all, so one can´t see your thought process behind the list. To me this looks like you want to appear like you have thoughts on many players without actually having to explain anything. (above in reference to ninjabunnies)Saying that people just have to ask to get your proper reads also kinda supports my point. You can make up reasons for liking/ not liking someone relatively quickly, if you already know how you want to read them. This makes you appear to be trying to figure out the game without having to do anything. Damdred´s post seemed pretty average to me. Yes, not really scummy but nothing especially townie. Considering that you had him as scummy before this feels strange. Your reason for dropping the suspicion is basically that his reaction was calm and thoughtful. I don´t like that forumite keeps his vote on koshi here. At that point koshi was already very townie, there´s no reason to believe that koshi is town. Maybe scum forumite would be scared of backing down because it might seem inconsistent? Not sure but that doesn´t really look like scumhunting. | ||
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On July 11 2014 13:43 Toadesstern wrote: I think he's claiming that he fakeclaimed being RB'ed, instead tracked someone, that someone visited Koshi last night and had some convoluted masterplan to net someone by fakeclaiming RB. And the bad part is that, like I mentioned, I have to take that at face value... bitch please. this is a palmar game. that better not be the explanation he gives. On November 16 2011 01:32 Palmar wrote: Oh, I also wanted to say, the LAL argument is one of my favorites. Because arguing it defeats the purpose of LAL. Here's a pro-tip. We lynch all liars, always, and every fucking time. No exceptions. If someone disagrees he's probably not thinking hard enough, and should re-think before he opens his mouth to spout more bullshit. Or he's scum. Think before you talk. | ||
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Do you: a) fake-claim b) ignore any questions as to why you lied c) try to out some power roles d) all of the above | ||
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Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway. | ||
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On July 11 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote: This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything? Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now. Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE. | ||
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Do you have any town explanation for BM's behavior? | ||
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On July 11 2014 23:54 Vivax wrote: Yes he does, he discusses BM with SlOosh. When SlOosh isn't convinced, he attacks his case on mderg for no reason I can think of except "well, this guy is opposing me". When SlOosh says his defense sucks, he tries to go back to discussing BM. I can't think of any other reason for Hiro starting to defend mderg at that single point when he could have done that much earlier, except for the reason that SlOosh was opposing him. I'm not sure if you're willfully ignorant or just aren't paying any attention. Considering that the posts you quoted were only a page apart, I have no idea how you missed this. Furthermore in no way were my posts causing a "topic switch". On July 11 2014 13:28 HiroPro wrote: Would someone like to explain this push on mderg beyond just the fact that he's been defensive today and didn't vote yesterday? Looking at his posts from day 1, he has clear opinions on people and he seems to be making an effort to understand the game. Most of them are townreads but he has his own reasons. Compare this guy's filter to Damdred's filter and I think the difference should be apparent. (above in reference to Corazon) (above in reference to ninjabunnies) Even if he is actually a tracker, BM still hasn't given even an iota of an explanation for why he claimed being roleblocked. It's downright awful that you guys are letting this pass and contemplating hammering mderg. Furthermore, prplhz's case on Damdred is still the best thing I've seen in this thread and I'm still up for lynching him. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + mderg and Damdred | ||
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On July 12 2014 07:02 Toadesstern wrote: what did you make of forumite vs IamP yesterday? That's an argument that can be made both ways. mm, it's definitely worth considering. however, it is less valid as forumite definitely did have more of a contingent willing to vote for him (at least 7 from what I see). | ||
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On July 11 2014 23:28 Damdred wrote: To me Exo showed that he was pretty town with the vote on obi and his flip doesn't make any sense for a mafia at that point to help a movement on such a good role when it could of really gained momentum at that point. <b>##Vote: Mderg</b> It has been over 24 hours since we've seen BM and his fake roleblock claim. Despite being in the thread on multiple occasions and seemingly caught up, he has said absolutely nothing about what he thinks on the situation. Letting him live at this point is a travesty. He should be kill priority #1 (yes even above BM). | ||
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On July 13 2014 11:23 kushm4sta wrote: hiropro, any response to my "too self conscious to be scum" defense? you're going to need to explain more than that. | ||
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On July 13 2014 11:56 Damdred wrote: Why are you so stuck on me that you refuse to get any information about anyone else? You are tunneling me right now, and it feels kinda scummy You've given me absolutely no reason to think that you're town. You yourself admit that the case on you is good! So explain to me - why the hell would I try to lynch anyone other than you? | ||
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On July 13 2014 13:26 kushm4sta wrote: posts like this. he's got more than one like this. it's a transparent discussion of his own motives. I think posts like this look town. No I don't find that post townie. I honestly don't even understand how you think that post is a transparent discussion of his own motives. It literally doesn't say anything other than "I was trying to enter the thread". Like no shit damdred was trying to enter the thread. | ||
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On July 13 2014 14:42 yamato77 wrote: let's kill ritoky no. the mere fact that he didn't seem to understand the janitor role suggests he's town. and going after you when almost everyone thinks you're town and when you're fully capable of tearing him a new hole seems like an incredibly bad plan as mafia. | ||
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we lynch kush. he didn't look good even before this and not saying anything about whether he no-visited or not looks bad. if he flips town, we kill bm. as simple as that in my opinion. | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:46 slOosh wrote: But right now I wanna kill ritoky most. Lurkmoar + awkward interpretation of BM / kush. Anyone strongly prefer a different lynch? HiroPro you still wanna kill Damdred more? Do you even need to ask? | ||
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On July 14 2014 16:25 slOosh wrote: Hiro, dude, I don't think I'm being to hard when I say I don't think you've really contributed anything to town so far. Do you have any new insights or wanna go over some of his new posts or I dunno, do anything other than tunnel Damdred this game? Like, even if you think he is scum, you can still talk about other stuff you know that right? sloosh I'll be frank with you. I believe that most of the stuff you've been posting about this game is garbage. Unless you stop nitpicking and blindly copying stuff from whatever guide you're reading, I think it's very unlikely that the two of us will be able to have a civil conversation. Now if you want to know how the recent events have influenced my read on Damdred, I'll be happy to inform you that kushm4sta's death has done nothing to make me think that Damdred is town, especially considering kush's strange reasoning behind calling him town. I also think that ritoky is more likely to be town based on what I've previously said. Bringing up strange/bizarre scenarios on the roles behind the BM/kush situation isn't much reason to suspect him, especially when it fits in with the way he seemed to be uncertain about the janitor mechanics. | ||
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someone who didn't do any visits last night should definitely be at lower priority for lynch. | ||
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On July 15 2014 10:01 layabout wrote: internet died hiro i want your thoughts on more people As it stands there are too many people not playing Alakslam is banned vivax has been away for 4 days Exo_ has posted twice in 4 days HaruH has posted t 3-4 times in the last 4 days BM hasn't posted since the Kush lynch despite having possibly relevant information Forumite has posted once in over 24 hours batsnacks, ritoky and hiro have more or less tunnel visioned if you are town you need to start sharing your fucking thoughts because with at least 2 mafia and a potential sk or extra mafia to lynch if we are unlucky we still have to catch look man, at this point I've basically concluded that everyone outside of 5 people are probably town. In these 5 people, damdred looks like almost certainly mafia, 1 person looks kinda bad, and the other three I have very little idea on but two of them have interactions with mafia that make them less likely to be mafia. so really I'm not fussed at all. I just want to see Damdred die. Can we please make that happen? haruru is dead btw. | ||
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On July 16 2014 02:34 yamato77 wrote: I like that not everyone is instantly voting Vivax, as opposed to lynches like mderg where people just pile on without much thought. this guy. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. | ||
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On July 16 2014 02:48 Koshi wrote: Do you think the NKs are both from scum or is it scum + SK. SK is more likely. haruru is a really strange night kill. with two shots it would have been better to simply take down ve and bm at the same time. | ||
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On July 16 2014 03:29 Koshi wrote: Night kill or night kills? Like you understand why I have a problem with you saying that right? oh like that. because I can't be sure. I spoke in a hypothetical manner, because I have no direct evidence to confirm that mafia didn't kill both, only a guess. | ||
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Forumite Vivax exo batsnacks ritoky toad/alakaslam sloosh bm/layabout | ||
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##Vote ExO | ||
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ExO had nothing to indicate that he was town other than a throw-away vote on obishinobi. There's no reason to keep him alive when he both isn't posting and has a track result on him. | ||
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##Unvote | ||
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On July 22 2014 06:09 marvellosity wrote: well obviously I won n1 by shooting him, but that's besides the point  That game only had 14 players though and you had the ability to talk to a different person anonymously every cycle. There was also a lot of kp in that game (mafia shot, two assassin shots, a dreamflower, and an america). So if I had given you a check every night, you would have very little need at all to think about who the other 3p was. They would either have been checked or dead. | ||
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On July 22 2014 06:22 marvellosity wrote: Of course there is need, because I need to get there first. It just makes more sense to have a check every night, because if the assassin works me out before I work him out, then he wins. That's the point! Leaving us with only one check effectively removes the race that should be the entire idea. I dunno. Personally I thought the anonymous mason still gave you something to work with even if you missed your check. Like I didn't expect it to work as well as what yamato gave you but it still seems to me that it should allow you to figure out the other assassin. Did you feel that it wasn't useful? Because I don't remember you masoning anyone. On July 22 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote: Well you should have lynched BM on the spot for trying to get a townie lynched for no reason with a fake check, followed by expressing disappointment that the townie didn't get lynched. No-one seemed to bat an eyelid. Well the thing is I had no thread presence at all and I couldn't get him lynched before that for blatantly lying for no reason. So it was simply easier to hope that he was just insane. | ||
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