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prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads. I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting. Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die. ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:38 prplhz wrote: k, I don´t care about townreads unless we´re close to the lynch. don't really have any reads yet, a few tentative town reads is all. On July 07 2014 23:37 IAmRobik wrote: What conclusions? My read on Koshi? My read on prplhz? My thoughts on lynching early or risk a rushed lynch or a no lynch? Do you enjoy the voting frenzy 5 minutes before deadline followed by yet another town lynch, because I don´t. iamp, how do we feel about forumite's first post. Kinda resembles Koshi's with a tad more content. But the content smells bullshitty. I lean town nevertheless even though I'm not certain I agree with any of the conclusions at this moment On July 07 2014 23:36 Koshi wrote: Your empty posts fill the thread and make it harder to read the thread and see posts of real value. It´s spamming and anti-town, which makes you scum, so you have to die. The fact you say I am ruining the thread hurts me more than you voting me. I am the entertainment value here. | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:52 iamperfection wrote: He´s actively creating more useless posts beside his own by making others go along with his games and riddles. about 75% of the posts have been useless including mine why pick koshi over anyone else. | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote: I'm actively withholding judgement on Toades. My first reaction was to ignore my read on Koshi and chainsaw Toades, but that would have been only based on him voting for prplhz. That´s not necessarily a scum trait, just reading prplhz wrong. I'm interested into this too. Prpl, what do you think of Toad's stuff so far? I'd have expected you to fight back in some way by now. On July 07 2014 23:44 Koshi wrote: Koshi, you have to own up on your vote for iamperfection and post it in the voting thread, it doesn´t count otherwise. ##vote: iamperfection Based on the fact it won't happen that we mislynch iamp. | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:11 Koshi wrote: lol, you are voting for me because you think I´m using a tactic that you admit doesn´t make sense. Die scum!I like that case Toad. Everytime these scummers enter the thread with a metaread on why somebody is town. I don't get why they do that. ##unvote ##vote: Forumite | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:14 prplhz wrote: I have a long career of mislynching you after a weak scumread leads me to tunnel and ruin it for town. Since then I interpret weak scumreads on you as strong signs of townieness. @Forumite Explain your meta read on me that makes you 99% sure. | ||
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On Toades, I don´t know. It´s OMGUS for voting me and the opposite for (nearly) dropping the case a few hours later. Him pushing for me makes it hard for me to be objective about his play. Others seem to think it makes him slightly townie, whatever. Koshi, I still think he´s scummy, even more than the usual OMGUS for pushing me. His case on me felt like he waited to hitch on to Toades case, adding his own complex reasonings to explain why scum would do what I did, basically WIFOM. He also accused me of calling Toades scum, which I´m fairly sure I never did. I´m leaving my vote on Koshi. Toades, did you have any questions for me? | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:17 IAmRobik wrote: This doesn´t make you town, this just makes it easy for you APPEAR town. I know how frustrating it is to mess up as town, act scummy and then get mislynched. When you say that you hate being called scum then it reads to me like you want to tap into that to make it look like you are town. And as some have allready stated, you do this even when you are scum, so why should this make us think you are town? You talk about this a lot, basically threatening with OMGUS for anyone doubting you. Oh, it wasn't you. Anyway, I really don't like being called scum incorrectly. Any focus towards me is bad for town because that means we are focusing on a towny instead of focusing on scum On July 08 2014 03:44 Corazon wrote: On his earlier posts, I have changed my mind. I understand that the early game can be dull and those posts at least gets things going. I still lean heavily towards scum on Koshi, he drew those riddle posts for a few too many pages and has since done a few things that I feel are off when pushing me. Forumite, I know I am not Toad but I hope you will answer me anyways  You said this a bit earlier: Do you still feel like this is true and do you feel that Koshi's posts have been the most useless so far? (Because I have a different opinion as stated earlier). On July 08 2014 03:44 Toadesstern wrote: I can´t read prplhz so putting prplhz down as confirmed town makes it easier for me but it would never convince anyone else. My reaction to your posts was mostly because I also don´t like anyone pushing someone I´ve marked down as a townie, no matter what for. I decided to not make a fake defence of prplhz, chainsaw defend or draw it out any longer because I remembered what happened last time. I don´t think I was mislynched that game but I wasted a lot of towns time D1. This time I just wasted a few hours =/the green part is what I'd like to hear more about | ||
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On July 08 2014 05:40 ExO_ wrote: It might be boring, but it's what I prefer. Instead of bullshitting like some people, I'm not going to stir up shit on day 1, that'll be based on nothing. It's silly and doesn't help town. There are some people here who are able to read players day 1, I'm not one of them. So while you may not like it, it's hardly indicative of my alignment, and as I said is consistent with my town player in the other mafia games I've played here on TL. If that's your basis for a scum read on me, then I think perhaps you may consider that you aren't one of the people that can read and find mafia on day 1. Do you have any insight on the game so far? | ||
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On July 08 2014 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Me calling prplhz 99% townie was another way of saying that I´m never considering him for a lynch, I explained that later. Now Toades tunnels because he didn´t get the answer he wanted, honesty wasn´t good enough. Koshi made a convoluted reasoning why I posted what I posted which was basically WIFOM. I´d find it if his filter wasn´t so bloated. Then sloosh sheeps to fake activity and BM votes without reading my posts. Alakaslam sheeps Toades but this one I can at least understand, he found someone he thinks is town and votes the same way. Re: Forumite, I didn't like the reasons he said he was suspicious of Koshi - initially it was because of his fluffy riddle posts at the beginning, and he further went on to say that he "hitched onto" Toad's case on Forumite adding his own "complex reasoning" or whatever. So ultimately that's where his vote is. And his read on prplhz...like, at first he said like "99% sure" and has described him as confirmed town. And the reasoning he gave is pretty bad - but not one I can really argue with because it's based on a personal metric that may or may not be true. I want to hear others' thoughts on Forumite. I think ultimately I'd rather wait on him, but I might be convinced to lynch him. Bill Murray, you´ve allready voted for me so post it in the thread. No stealth-votes! My vote stays on Koshi because his case on me is shit. I don´t like Robik either but could be personal because he´s bad mannered. Robiks preemptive OMGUS looks like a good scum move, but I don´t know anything about either Robik, this might be his normal playstyle. | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:04 Koshi wrote: I ask prplhz for reads because I want to know what he thinks, why did you think I asked? I like the "Stop. Think" part of the case because it makes the case very sheepable and very understandable. Why did ask Forumite prplhz his reads? This is a very good question. SlOosh also believes in this sentence showing a scummy mindset in Forumite. You are trowing away SloOsh his argument that this one sentence makes Forumite scum but have you ever seen a scummer make a case showing off such dept in thought? Remember that this is SloOsh his first post, so one (Robik) could argue that SlOosh is being scum tryharding. You think so as well? SloOsh reading that one sentence and making an understandable/sheepable case around that one sentence makes me respect SlOosh his scumhunting abilities. Or his scum playing abilities. Why would I want to lynch somebody who shows me that he can make a case around somebody making 1 bad sentence? Out of fear he plays atypical godly scum? I will pass on that. You are making a good case for a SloOsh lynch. Also, complex case means Town? So that´s why you did that convoluted mess of an accusation against me earlier? You make a complex case (based on nothing) and then state that complex cases are a town tell... | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:18 Koshi wrote: I´m not voting for prplhz but that doesn´t mean I don´t care what he thinks. No, prplhz isn´t a mafia god who can find scum from their first posts (unlike SloOsh, zomg!), who cares? Any insight is valuable. Why did you want to know what he thinks? Do you respect his early reads so much that you want to sheep him? Why not ask iamp what he was thinking? iamperfection? Why should I ask him over prplhz? Seriously, why? I don´t understand why you would ask me something like that. | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:57 Koshi wrote:New question: Am I good at finding valuable posts and analysing? No, I don´t think so, I´m decent at random pressure and seeing patterns and sometimes I get a good case going, but that was two years ago, I´m probably crap by now. I had a decent start of the game, right? You said you are pretty good at finding valuable posts and analysing them. However, your reads this game have been rather lackluster. Are you too annoyed by me scumreading you to play the game optimally? Final part of the question, first it´s not your case, you are sheeping Toades. The only thing you contributed is WIFOM that looks good enough for town to let it slip by. And of course I´m having trouble focusing on scum, I spent last evening making myself look scummy and then defending myself, and now a few more have voted during the night. It´s far from a lynch but it´s a distraction. | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote: This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? Nha bro, that's not how it works. Mafia doesn't think about why they actually read people. They think about covering themselves if they get called out. Scum doesn't connect the "I can justify reading prplhz for town because my history with him" with "this guy is town because he scumreaded prplhz and I also do that as town". I am not saying it is impossible for scum to do it, but scum is more likely to slip in their reasoning doing these kinda connect reads. mafia more likely thinks "ok, prplhz is town and I can defend him with this meta reason x from past games, I could call the guy who is putting pressure on prplhz scum because he is wrong but let's go after this guy who is posting total nonsense, nobody will think I am off base for calling this guy out, he clearly is doing nothing". You should be proud of your case. It actually shows mafia mindset. | ||
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Not sure anymore if you are scum, Koshi, but your case still sucks | ||
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On July 08 2014 21:30 Vivax wrote: And Hiro, forgot about him. And Hiro. But there's not much point in talking about them since you either say you wanna plynch them or you wait for a vig and don't talk about them, so get your decisions straight or talk about people who posted something. On July 08 2014 22:06 HaruRH wrote: Who are you?I'm feeling a lot better today, so ill try to catch up and post my thoughts later. On July 08 2014 21:36 Vivax wrote: Quite a bit of my read on Koshi and Rubik was based on what I felt was anti-town behavior, but noone else has reacted to it so I assume this is how they usually play. Koshis case is bad but anyone can make bad cases. I still think both Koshi and Rubik are scummy, especially Rubik. Preemptive OMGUS is anti-town and seems like a great scum tactic. Btw Forum, why do you townread Koshi I don't understand it. You were super duper scum on him cause he posted riddles, now he's saying you asking prpl for reads didn't make much sense. If I were to imagine myself in your position as hypothetical townie, I'd rather be suspicious about the guy bitching about my questions that I feel were legitimate than the guy posting riddles in the first pages of the game. On July 08 2014 21:55 yamato77 wrote: Why? iamp, redirect your attention to obiwan he's the lynch today | ||
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On July 08 2014 22:41 Vivax wrote: Not sure if I agree. In the beginning he was doing random voting with his first push on prplhz, that´s not scummy. Repeating how everyone thinks he´s town, maybe a bit odd. Then there's this post by Toad which is in my opinion too hyperbole, he's saying Cora is backtracking from all his reads at the same time, when I found his Robik scumread to be clear enough and I don't see him backtracking from it, I see him saying that it's a read early in the game and that it might change, but still his top scumread. Overall I'm not trusting Toad cause he gives me the feeling he's pushing people before figuring them out, and there are multiple instances where he feels the need to emphasize he's being so townie, and how he goes guns blazing on everyone. | ||
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On July 08 2014 22:40 prplhz wrote: obiwan damdred sloosh what? On July 08 2014 22:44 Koshi wrote: Who´s in the scumteam? I meant keep going on with the smartness. I am not misguided at all btw. Closest guy figuring out the scumteam is without doubt me. On July 08 2014 22:48 Vivax wrote: Just because there´s not much substance behind a random vote doesn´t mean he has to cave at the first sign someone disagrees. It doesn´t provide pressure if he´s not pressuring. Why random voting, he seemed pretty adamant about defending his point when I called him out on it. | ||
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On July 08 2014 22:57 Alakaslam wrote: I feel like I should see what you mean, but I don´t. Is it Damdred being nervous without a reason and then go back to lurk? Open the nested quotes This is textbook scum | ||
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On July 08 2014 23:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Why do you want to lynch mderg when there are 3-4 people with one post? What about my lurker Forumite? What, is mderg your scumbuddy or something? | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:01 ExO_ wrote: ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi I'm going to be completely honest I haven't read the thread in it's entirety. But from what I have skimmed through, it looked like forumite was pushed up prematurely for silly Day 1 reasons. So I prefer Obi instead. Changed my mind. ##Unvote ##Vote ExO_ | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:13 Toadesstern wrote: Just drop it. I was pressured yesterday, today I´m just disappointed that you are unable to read my posts. I´ve allready explained the mess yesterday, now make a coherent case (for real this time) and get a wagon going or do something usefull with your time. I'm not going to unvote forumite that quickly. I want him to feel the grip of death around his neck and see him sweat in fear. I still think he's mighty scummy. | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:17 VisceraEyes wrote: NO JK JK I'm not gonna vote for Forumite. LOL I considered it, but no, I'm too scared.  | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I'm in here all about feeding fuel to the "lurker lynch" fire. But if you're just going to come in here and bluster bravado then I'm MORE THAN HAPPY to show you who you're not anymore Forumite. I´m town, or what were you talking about? | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:23 Koshi wrote: pls gooby pls You are telling the one person who made the most cases (Toad) to use his time more useful when you haven't done jack shit this game. An hommage: prplz town because I read him as scum Koshi totes ruining thread with his 5 posts about riddles guys. I am totes upset. also many omgus. Robik scum with the omgus threatening. SlOosh sheeps to fake activity. Toad I keep blabbering about. I don't really know what I am saying. Or do I? Nobody knows. layabout pure lurker. Exo lurker that was getting thread sentiment. What did I miss? nice list, I´d like to make lists someday | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Is the list scummy? Are you calling Koshi scum for making a list? Like, how is THIS post productive? It´s not, I´m just pissed off at Toades and Koshi. | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:37 HaruRH wrote: Back on track and forumite is definitely a good lynch today. He metareads prplhz as town, but doesn't include koshi's spam town meta as town. Totally ignoring koshi's meta at this point. Then after making a huge fuss about koshi, he moves on and wants to policy lynch lurkers. Either he gave up trying to make proper reads, or he is scared that people would see him as scum when he starts aggressively attacking another person. Really? Of course I´m ignoring Koshi's metagame, I´ve never played against him before. | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Well I don't care - if you're mafia then that's easy to say. What I care about is who you want to lynch. You asked for the case on ObiWan (a lurker) and you've tried to discourage MY preference mderg (a lurker) yet you say you'd lynch a lurker today. How about instead of continuing to be "pissed off" at Toad and Koshi, you tell us who YOU think is the best lynch today? mderg has been posting, why do you want to lynch him over someone with one post? | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Because his posting has had literally zero content. Some of the people you're referring to have given more opinions than mderg, so he fits the profile of "lurker scum" to me. So I think he has a higher-than-average chance of flipping mafia. THAT is why I'm voting for mderg, for like the second time or third! And STOP ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS WITH QUESTIONS! ##Unvote ##Vote: Forumite I answered your question in a later post. On July 09 2014 00:46 Forumite wrote: I liked what alakaslam found on damdred, but otherwise I have no idea who is scummy. Slight townread on Toades despite it all, scumread on Koshi and Robik but apparently this is how they play so whatever. I have a few townreads, many nullreads and a bunch of lurkers that I don´t want to have around at D3, so today I want to kill lurkers. I still don´t think mderg is a better lynch. He posted earlier, he will hopefully come back and start to contribute more. The one-post lurkers, nope. If they haven´t gotten into the game by now then I have no hope for them, and without modkills for inactivity we have to take care of them ourselves. I do not want layabout or HiroPro around at LYLO. | ||
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On July 09 2014 01:09 Toadesstern wrote: so wait and see if we have vigs. Wasting a lynch on someone that everyone can just vote without giving the slightest bit of a reason because laya and hiro have literally 1 post gives us nothing in the worst case. We'd be standing on d2 like it was d1 with nothing happening and everyone had a cheap way to pull their vote on someone. The ones that are posting slightly and only under the radar without being completly afk at least generate some kind of comittment for people when voting. Let the vigs deal with laya and hiro, don't waste a lynch on them and if we don't have vigs we'll start considering from d2, not sooner. This makes sense, I agree. So what about ExO_? I don´t like him sneaking in when there was talk of killing lurkers. On July 09 2014 01:13 layabout wrote: who is saying that i am mafia right now? FoS them dudes Finger the shit out of them FoS right back at you. Have you read the thread? What do you think? | ||
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On July 09 2014 03:01 HaruRH wrote: So what's your reason for voting robik now? Pressure? What´s your reason for defending him? | ||
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On July 09 2014 03:05 HaruRH wrote: Soo.... how is asking about your motive/reads a defend on robik? His constant OMGUSing and buddying up to people. It´s designed to get some allies and to keep any pressure off him under the guise that otherwise he´ll flip and get both parties modkilled by the hosts. Bullshit. He´s scum. On July 09 2014 03:11 HaruRH wrote: Fine. I am not defending anyone. Since you're my lynch target, I want to know every single one of your moves to decide if you're the correct lynch for today. But voting for robik with 0 reasom is probably not a good way to avoid a majority lynch. Really? You are not the most active poster, there must be a special reason why you needed to post in response to my vote. What do you think about Robik? | ||
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On July 09 2014 03:22 HaruRH wrote: You told us you will be killing lurkers today. Out of a sudden, BAM a robik vote. Of course I'll have to ask what are you trying to do. Toades pointed out that a lurker lynch doesn´t give info because scum can just go with the flow and lynch some poor lurker without guilt. It´s better to leave them for vigilantes. | ||
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On July 09 2014 03:56 Toadesstern wrote: guys you should be voting IamP while I hold the grip around forumite's neck up *choke* x_x On July 09 2014 03:40 IAmRobik wrote: 1) your insistence on lynching town bothers me 2) weren't you hard against coza or am I imagining things? If so, why would you want to lynch the person who you suspect is voting as well 3) i'm town, so see point 1 You are imagining things. Also I try my best to lynch scum. Why are you trying to show townieness by saying "I´m town" instead of doing pro-town things, like NOT flaming anyone who looks at you sideways? | ||
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On July 09 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote: Forumite, What are your thoughts on Coza? Why are you claiming that I haven't done shit this game besides 'trying to show townieness by saying 'I'm town'" What do I have to do, in your eyes, to be doing "pro-town" things that you claim I haven't been doing thus far? I have a townread on Corazon. I haven´t checked him that closely but that´s what I get from reading the thread. As for acting pro-town, the first thing would be to not blow up when accused of any little thing, it´s not helping your case. On July 09 2014 04:19 ritoky wrote: robik is just a blustery guy. he spent like 10 pages telling me i was the worst player ever last game. it's just part of his general persona and tone; try not to take it personal, it's not about you mate. This I don´t get, it´s anti-town behaviour and makes it extremely easy to hide as scum. Shouldn´t he be an automatic D1 lynch if this is his normal play? | ||
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On July 09 2014 04:51 IAmRobik wrote: No, people aren't allowed to scumread me cause I'm not scum and that means that the people who are town who are scumreading me are wrong and wasting their time trying to help push a mafia agenda. The people who vote me are wrong too, does that make them scum? This reasoning doesn´t work and there´s no point in going OMGUS because someone doubts you. This is a game about doubting people, accept it. | ||
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On July 09 2014 05:00 IAmRobik wrote: Are you seriously going to sit there and ignore my question just like Coza is doing? These unjustified blanket statements are getting on my damn nerves Yes, sorry, I have another plan. I´m going to check Corazon because you obviously think there´s something wrong about his play. Meanwhile, who is your biggest scumread and why haven´t you voted for him yet? | ||
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##Unvote On July 09 2014 02:10 IAmRobik wrote: Kush, why are you playing so differently from how you play your town game? What did you mean with this post? | ||
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SloOsh and Poofter, k OMGUS on Cora so I understand that one. Few lurkers but I think you posted that in another post. I didn´t expect to see VE and bunnies here. I played with VE way back, don´t remember bunnies. | ||
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On July 09 2014 06:14 Alakaslam wrote: I really like anime this game Alakaslam, there were more anime girls and gifs in the early parts of the thread but they´ve dropped off drastically. Do something about it. | ||
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On July 09 2014 06:21 IAmRobik wrote: What part is unclear. Kush just played a game where he was town and he took control and was posting a lot and was leading town. The mafia he played right before that he was shut down and reserved and demoralized. Ah, thought you said Koshi, confused. Kush looks bad even before this | ||
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On July 09 2014 06:29 Toadesstern wrote: no "if X is mafia that makes Y whatever" before people flip, especially on d1. Yes you should be on either iamp or on forumite. I'm actually in favor of iamp as well but have to watch this rape of a football game What´s the case on iamp? | ||
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On July 09 2014 06:38 Toadesstern wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=55#1082 Koshis post in there and what I wrote in addition when I looked at his town games to doublecheck that. Thanks. Yes, I remember reading that case, it´s quite good, also it´s not about lynching me which is a bonus. ##Vote: iamperfection | ||
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On July 09 2014 12:45 HaruRH wrote: I prefer not being lynched no matter my alignment. And no, I don´t think it was easy for scum to jump on the bandwagon, it was a weak case in the first place. Probably everyone who voted for me early are town. To build on to the argument, town|forumite would evaluate everyone who tried to pressure him since it was easy for scum to hop on the forumitewagon. Scum|forumite would instantly feel relieved and settle down for a sheep to get past d1. On July 09 2014 14:33 slOosh wrote: Strong townread: KoshiThis is a reasonable point. Forumite, could you please give your general feels as to the people who have voted you? Haru, what's your opinion of iamp? (and although part of it is, it is not just a meta case). weak townread: Toades, Alakaslam weak scumread: SloOsh no fucking idea: Bill Murray Also Robik is town and Cora is probably town. They should really stop OMGUSing eachother. On July 09 2014 14:32 Bill Murray wrote: Evading and lies. There is no pro-town reason to stealth-vote and no, you were not perfectly clear that you wanted to vote me. Even is so, why not post your vote clearly? Is that so hard? I was pretty open with wanting to vote you On July 09 2014 22:23 iamperfection wrote: I actually agree with this. More candidates means it´s easier for scum to direct the vote, it´s much easier with just a few. I liked Toades suggestion to make the lynch between me and iamp, if anyone else is up for the lynch then I want to see a good reason for it. your a terrible leader if you give people 5 options your outed as leader. The lynch is cora or damdred today. Those are the ones i feel most confident about. On July 09 2014 22:42 HaruRH wrote: Hell no, YOU are not directing town votes, no way. The lynchlist is iamp/Forumite/27nb On July 09 2014 10:19 batsnacks wrote: Read more carefully, I didn´t ask BM to vote for me, he had allready voted for me without posting about it in the thread, I called him out on that. I didn´t tell him to vote, I told him to be open about having allready voted. This one right? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=58#1141 Instantly this jumps out at me: " Forumite For someone that has gotten a lot of shit he hasn't seemed to have backed down at all. I like that he asked bill murray to vote for him that seems super townie to me like he dosnt give a shit about being voted. Plus his jumping around with votes is very attention grabbing move that scum do not like to do. My gut says he is town " I haven't read the part of the thread where this takes place yet so maybe I'm missing some important context BUT: Anyone who asks people to vote for them is scummy. So if you're town reading someone for saying "vote me" I have issues with that. I agree with the suspicion on damdred though. His posting is really careful and thorough like he's trying not to make mistakes and give people ammunition against him. Reading his filter, looking at this post: He's treading really, really lightly and a lot of his posts are like that. Careful, apologetic. And the "lol" is out of place. His posts are impeccably formatted; he doesn't even use contractions, but somehow a random "lol" shows up. On July 09 2014 09:04 layabout wrote: We have 7 hours and 34 minutes left... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22532833 HIGHLIGHT OF THE THREAD THUSFAR we have been going just over 48 hours so we have another day? | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:32 iamperfection wrote: Why in the world would you want the lynch between only me and you how could you possibly come to a conclusion that that is best?????????? Koshis earlier proposed 5 lynches means it´s easy for scum to jump on whichever they want and guarantee a mislynch. With just 2 candidates it´s much harder for scum to manipulate without revealing themselves. Of course this is assuming there´s scum among the candidates but I like metacase on you. It went unnoticed for hours and now there is a surge of other possible candidates for the lynch, both good signs. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:54 yamato77 wrote: we have half a majority if you aren't voting iamp, explain why Right now Robik is one of my stronger townreads and he is desperately trying to safe iamp from a lynch. I really like the metacase on iamp (which he hasn´t really answered) but how Robik and iamp acts now makes me reconsider. | ||
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On July 09 2014 23:57 Koshi wrote: Doesn't matter anymore. A town lynch is better than a no lynch. Simply because the towns on the no lynch can move on and we can trust iamperfection his reads. It is what it is. iamperfection is the lynch. None of the other candidates for lynch have good cases on them. There are currently 5 people on iamp that really believe he is scum. Nobody else comes close. Please put your vote back on iamp. I understand but I really don´t like it. ##Vote: iamperfection | ||
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On July 10 2014 00:10 Toadesstern wrote: Funny. forumite testing my faith... I want to lynch IamP but damn that random unvote and revote with "I really don't like it" after saying the lynch is between him and iamp looks so damn delicious I did it because of Robiks reaction. What do you think about his defence of iamp? | ||
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On July 10 2014 00:13 Toadesstern wrote: let's just hope they're both mafia and it makes sense that way o/ No need to overthink things when I can't figure out which way it is anyways... Toades, what do you think about robik defending iamp? | ||
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On July 10 2014 00:15 Toadesstern wrote: I honestly don't give a crap about what he thinks about Iamp. Sorry Robik, but you really need to cool off your head. I can't possibly trust someone who's got foam around his mouth while telling me what to do. =/ k Heading out for a few hours, then I´ll be here until deadline. | ||
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On July 11 2014 10:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Thanks, I did make some spot on reads on Cora and Robik. Good for me. Ugh... I could still lynch Forumite tbh. Like, he SOUNDS townie, but he's a very skilled player and the actual THINGS he's done have not been townie imo. On July 11 2014 10:32 VisceraEyes wrote: You remembered Resistance <3Forumite brought Resistance to the forum format. I don't care what you say, Forumite /not/ reading the thread does /not/ make him townier. On July 11 2014 21:07 sinani206 wrote: Did your power say that if one target dies then another random player will be masoned instead? didn't see the need to claim this early but yeah i can connect two people; i chose robik and koshi, robik died and it got deflected to prp bm you're fucken dumb I´m against a BM lynch. He does weird shit, nothing new there. I don´t mind the claim, he probably wanted to get it posted before scum gets around to shooting him. | ||
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On July 11 2014 22:58 Koshi wrote: Right, forgot about that, makes sense now. pro-tip for everybody. Robik was not a VT. Yes, for reals. Have you never played with BM before? This was official meta on BM when I started, I don´t expect that to have changed. The vote on mderg get started by Haru? lol. I like the case on mderg and I hate the opposing lynches (except ExO_ but whatever). ##Vote: mderg | ||
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On July 12 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote: What do you mean? I am starting to really think Toad is scum. Ofc we wont kill him today. But yeah. I got bad feels from today from him. His N1 and D2. Scummy to the max. I think Toades is town, the only thing I´m worried about is why he´s not committing to either lynching me or leaving the case alone. | ||
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On July 12 2014 00:45 Koshi wrote: Patience Why would scum shoot BM? unvote | ||
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On July 12 2014 00:45 Koshi wrote: Why did you unvote? Why would scum shoot BM? unvote | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote: Prevent a premature hammer? Sure. What about we do not kill mderg yet? hmmmm? ##Unvote ExO_, post that you vote when you vote, no bloody stealth votes! | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:27 mderg wrote: Post them if you have them, we´re not sure when the deadline will be. Agreed. You should wait until shortly before the deadline. I still want to get some reads out before I´m (most likely) lynched. | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:11 Koshi wrote: Because he´s posting reads that you agree with? That´s easy if he´s scum, he could just ask for help from the other scum to write a nice goodbye post in the hope that it will get him off the chopping block for another day. Hmmm. I really think we should unvote and go for Bill. He was gone for 2 hours! You have no idea who really wrote that reads post! On July 11 2014 22:32 Koshi wrote: You posted this earlier, don´t you care about mderg showing a townies fear of the lynch anymore, and why did that change? ##unvote ##Vote: mderg I think this is best till I see an emotional post from mderg. I wonder if mafia is still playing this game. Nothing has changed, mderg is just as scummy as he was two hours ago. And we´re not lynching BM. | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:30 Koshi wrote: 2nd is Damdred, I have like 5 candidates for 3rd lynch. I'm better at finding town than scum. Forumite. Who is your 2nd and 3rd lynch except mderg? On July 12 2014 05:31 VisceraEyes wrote: This is normal BM play. If he´s not shot soon then having him around will pay off. Why not? Do you know something about his alignment that I don't? Or are you just trying to cement that idea that PR claim = town? | ||
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On July 12 2014 05:52 Koshi wrote: Yes, they are completely different in their levels of activity and ballsiness. One reason for this is the obvious that he´s got a power role this time and needed to change his style to preserve it. Yeah, whatever. I´m still going with my old rule on Bill Murray, I´m not lynching him. Forumite TL Order 8 page filter D1 as town 1 month ago. What is the same in this filter and BM current filter? | ||
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On July 12 2014 06:01 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Forumite Somewhere somebody said this guy was town. But I can't vote BM when there is a scummy guy holding on to a townread like this. On July 12 2014 06:04 Koshi wrote: No wait. Forumite give me a bunch of games in which BM plays like this as town. 2-3 page filter, hardly any content by end of D2. Whatever, I´m sticking to my read, not going to lynch BM. I don´t care if you lynch me tonight, I´d rather have that than be the LYLO-lynch. I´m putting back my vote on mderg in 15minutes and then going to sleep. It should put it at 10 votes, 11 needed to lynch. If you want to avoid the risk of a hammer then someone unvote. Soon going to: Vote mderg | ||
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On July 12 2014 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Bad post, you should know better VE. Bill plz. You have outstanding requests. From other players. Are you town? Do you give a shit about town? WE'RE GOING TO LYNCH YOU DUDE. IF YOU'RE TOWN THEN YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY FEAR US BECAUSE WE'RE LYNCHING ALL THE FUCKING TOWNIES IN HERE! MAKE US NOT LYNCH YOU IF YOU ARE TOWN!! | ||
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On July 12 2014 18:58 prplhz wrote: lol, truecan't really blame anyone for getting frustrated with bill murray's shit though | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Just another reason to kill Forumite. Guys stop ignoring this guy and kill him plz. Are you serious? There´s no point in talking during the night. The night is for blues and scum, talking just gives scum more info on who is best to kill and what the blues might be doing. Unless you think you are going to get shot, shut up and wait until tomorrow. | ||
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On July 13 2014 14:06 Bill Murray wrote: BM, not following here. You tracked someone to someones house. Did the one who was visited die? I am very suspicious of someone, and Sinani did what I said and masoned me Sinani confirmed me as town so I don't see how the fuck you can vote me right now ##Vote: Ritoky | ||
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On July 13 2014 20:15 Bill Murray wrote: Kush visits Sinani, Sinani dies. Reasons to visit Sinani is confirming his as town or protecting him against a nightkill. Second didn´t happen, first is very unlikely after yesterday and the roleclaim. Kush killed Sinani last night... well, it IS kush, so I'm not counting it out that he had a role like Sinani's... but he's likely scum because he didn't really no visit... he was on Sinani, layabout... so layabout if you want to come forward and say whether or not this happened that would be very helpful right now.... Why didn´t you vote kush before ritoky? | ||
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I´m calling it: If I and Toades are alive at LYLO then I guarantee that he has been scum all along, only keeping me around for an easy late-game lynch. | ||
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On July 14 2014 03:24 Toadesstern wrote: Lucky you, I hate LYLO. Somehow I manage to play scummy enough to avoid an NK and but still townie enough to avoid a lynch. I really need to change up my game. if I'm alive at lylo people lynch me... because like you said, I kind of shouldn't be alive at lylo | ||
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Ritoky, if you want to do vote analysis then add in crossed over votes from those who changed their minds. It would be an additional bonus to add in FoS from the thread but that´s much more work to do. | ||
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On July 15 2014 13:53 ritoky wrote: you on the other hand, don't seem to do a lot of information giving, you do a lot of asking and taking and not much reciprocating. i had read you as town cuz of this: but now that i go through your filter, these two posts bug me: ritoky, batsnacks copy-pasted a post from Toades. Toades said that first, and because it´s so weird batsnacks posted the same thing immediately after to bring attention to Toades post. | ||
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On July 09 2014 16:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: well, if not anal, then im sure we can figure something out. we can work out a barter system. ritoky, hiro, layabout, and slam are all null. some people have pointed out that ritoky is forced, and i agree, but i do think that its really early to be forming some kind of read on him at this stage because people call him weird for the exact same reason every game. haru's last couple of posts have been good, so i think hes town. i dont get why he makes excuses for not being good on day 1, because his day 1 seems pretty strong. agree/disagree? bm is playing nothing like he did in order. he was supertown then but he's getting away with the bare minimum now. he was suggesting policy lynches on people who werent playing (kinda like what cora is doing) but hes kinda hiding amongst those people now. ill probably filter dive kush and bats at some point. i remember kush being towny and bats having a shitty opening but thats it. Obiwan mentioned kush, ritocky and bats in an evasive manner. On July 09 2014 02:34 kushm4sta wrote: OK my body needs sleep. I got to page 27..ouch. Before the entrance of so many people. scumreads so far: prplzhz iamperfection batsnacks ObiWanShinobi 27ninjabunnies ritocky? Still haven't seen alakaslam/sloosh/billmurry/mderg/sinani/layabout/alakaslam/tehpoofter/hiropro. The daily mafia people are hard for me to read because they don't seem to care for analysis. Most of their posts are inside jokes, which I don't appreciate. I feel strongly that the boldified are scum. Iamp looks like he is bussing obiwan just from this last page I read. Tomorrow when I get time I will continue reading starting at page 27. I apologize for not being up to date, but really it is all of your faults for talking so much. Kush's list of scum from a few days ago prplzhz iamperfection batsnacks ObiWanShinobi 27ninjabunnies ritocky? The only ones that haven´t flipped are batsnacks and ritocky. Kush added in Obi, two confirmed town and one 3rd party that looked scummy at the time. He threw in Obi in there, he might have thrown another scum in too. Both Kush and Obi throw some FoS on eachother and bats+ritocky, the two people being discussed today. Thoughts? | ||
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On July 15 2014 20:57 Koshi wrote: Why is this a bad post Forumite? Also Forumite. GIVE ME YOUR READS NOW. You aren't doing anything and you will be lynched if you keep it up. I can do the thing scum is keeping me alive for. ez. It was a bad post for several reasons, tied into BM-meta and nightplay. Meta on BM is that scum kill him early unless he´s scum too. I tried to keep him around to give him more chances and he finally delivered, go me! However posts by VE and others during the night told scum that they didn´t have to bother with BM, he was probably going to be lynched anyway, no need to nightkill him. That´s why I hate posts like that during the night, never tell scum who is going to be lynched the next day, because if you are lucky they´ll kill the scummy bastard for you. From my notes, I have Hiro, Damdred and ExO down as scummy. Take it with a grain of salt, I haven´t been good with filters and I only reread to about page 60, back when Corazon and Robik had their little duel. | ||
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On July 15 2014 21:29 yamato77 wrote: forumite is 80 pages (over half the game) behind and people wonder why town loses big games so much READ THE DAMN GAME, OR YOU'RE LITERALLY USELESS TO ME I´ve read the whole game, but only read again the parts up to the corazon-robik duel. Chill out, dude | ||
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On July 15 2014 21:40 Koshi wrote: Forumite what about Vivax. Don't give a cop-out answer. Vivax is a townread, mostly because I haven´t seen him do anything scummy. | ||
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BM hints he followed kush and a lot of talk about ritoky starts + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 14:22 Bill Murray wrote: Last night, Kush, Ill have you know, I tracked you On July 13 2014 14:26 slOosh wrote: Can we lynch ritoky? I think he plays scum the same way I play scum. Try a bit and then lurk city cause it's hard to post. On July 13 2014 14:29 slOosh wrote: That makes no sense if you announce tracks scum can just send someone else? On July 13 2014 14:29 slOosh wrote: BM why did you track sinani over forumite? On July 13 2014 14:42 yamato77 wrote: let's kill ritoky On July 13 2014 14:43 kushm4sta wrote: so this was a reaction test? how are you even in the position to reaction test by lying when you aren't even reading the game.. ~~~ is there a case against ritoky i can look at? yamato calling kush town and more on ritoky + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 15:11 yamato77 wrote: well whatever I guess it doesn't matter, really I think they are both town On July 13 2014 15:11 yamato77 wrote: that said, I really want ritoky to post a lot today or we WILL lynch him On July 13 2014 15:19 slOosh wrote: ritoky you still high or what? On July 13 2014 15:20 slOosh wrote: ##Vote: ritoky BM reveals his real check and yamato changes his mind + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 19:38 Bill Murray wrote: first off, this is pretty clearing of ritoky as town. ##unvote second off, kush is like 95% likely scum Kush was on Sinani last night I wanted to get more information out of him, but he is banned, and when he is replaced..... that person won't give me anything to go on... so we might as well just lynch the slot now ##vote: kushm4sta On July 13 2014 20:03 yamato77 wrote: ok BM On July 13 2014 20:28 yamato77 wrote: i guess we just lynch kush? On July 14 2014 01:44 slOosh wrote: Is BM claiming that kush visited both Sinani AND layabout? On July 14 2014 01:45 slOosh wrote: Yea that seems like it is it. I have no reason to doubt BM. ##Vote: kushm4sta Mind, among this BM first starts FoS on ritoky which he drops, and there are several others who FoS BM and call bullshit, so it wasn´t a sure lynch for a long while. Still it could fit in with mafia behavior, protect your scumbuddy while he can be saved, but jump on the wagon quickly if it looks like he´s doomed anyway. | ||
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On July 15 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: You asked me for thought on the flipped scum posts Forumite. What do you think? About bats and ritocky being mentioned by kush and obiwan? I´m putting bats on null and ritocky with town for now, depending on if I find more about yamato and sloosh. Could be scum trying something risky, could be town being wrong. My reads are all over the place, for a few days I´ve been happy with finding people I´m fairly sure are townies and sheep them but I need to step up my game. How long do you think we have left on the day? | ||
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On July 15 2014 22:36 Koshi wrote: Doesn't matter. Give me the 4 names we should lynch into today. Sloosh, bats, Damdred, ExO | ||
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On July 11 2014 06:05 Vivax wrote: aahhhhhhh. Alright guys, now I can focus entirely on this game, let's kill the fucking scum. There is only two things that feels off in his entire filter, the post above and that he´s not talking about obi and kush much. Vivax was active and seemed pro-town, got extra towniepoints for calling me town after my bad start. He´s disappeared for days, no idea why, no explanation, but before he went offline it looked very good. If I ignore him going AFK then it´s all good. AFK is a really big problem and no idea what to do about that. Did you think he looked like scum before? | ||
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Based on what happened the day kush was lynched, quoted earlier, I think Sloosh looks bad. I´m prepared to hear cases on Damdred and ExO, Damdred because of prplhz case and ExO because lurker and bad wibes. ##Vote: SlOosh | ||
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On July 16 2014 06:51 ritoky wrote: If you believe this, then why is exo_ on this list and vivax not? #1) I want to hear YOUR case on sloosh, I was very specific, could you please be as well. #2) Why are you willing th hear cases? The town mindset is the make cases and find scum, not sit around and wait for cases to come to you. You mafia bro? Which list? The list I made before making a decission on vivax? Even after checking Vivax I think he´s town, and killing an AFK townie is NOT better than killing an active scum. 1) Sloosh and yamato appeared to try/jump on a ritoky bandwagon while kush was pressured by BM D3, then quickly changed their minds when BM revealed that he had a real check on kush. I think sloosh and yamato are scum and when they heard the accusation against kush they knew it was true and tried to salvage townie points by joining the bandwagon early. In contrast others, like Toades, was skeptic and cast doubt on BM and his claim, which makes sense if you are a townie hearing an unverified claim from someone you previously thought was scummy. 2) ... | ||
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On July 16 2014 07:41 ritoky wrote: 1) What do you make of how both of those scum reads being okay with/wanting a lynch on vivax? Also, in your list of 4 people you would lynch between today, yamato was not included; what made him scum between a few hrs ago and now? Here's the list for reminder: Last question, if sloosh is so mafia then why have your reads have aligned with his enough to vote with him all 3 votes? 2) Not really a sufficient response. Are you really reading my posts? Yamato might be scum if sloosh is scum, their actions look bad but only if there is some connection, yamato looks town otherwise. And what changed is that I read what happened at pages 119-127, I didn´t consider yamato scum until I saw Sloosh and Yamato soft defending kush against BM, I was very clear about when I found this. Did you read 119 and forward? See what I mean? Did you do proper vote analysis like I asked you to? I´ve voted with the majority for every lynch this game, so has a lot of other people too, that´s why it´s called the majority. Notice that sloosh votes for me too D1? Vote analysis can give great insight when done properly and when scum doesn´t think anyone is analysing voting patterns. You warned them early that you are checking votes so take anything you find with a grain of salt. | ||
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On July 16 2014 15:30 ritoky wrote: I have read your post, and my initial response is: 1) Almost everyone who has posted this phase except the confirmed town and me seems pretty okay with lynching vivax; doesn't that make you hesitate? 2) If I were to replace vivax's name with exo_ or alakaslam, would the case largely be the same? So why aren't you scum reading them? or reading them at all? Hey, I don´t want to lynch vivax either. It´s easy to forget the lurkers. I didn´t check vivax until koshi asked me for a specific read and since then he´s been up for discussion. It could just as easily have been someone else. Not really, ExO and slam could be pushed by a similar case but there´s a difference, they have been active longer and been hard to read during that time, while vivax looked like a townie while he was active and then dropped off. Ignoring the AFK and low activity Vivax is a townie, and ExO and Slam not as much. 10 players, several lurkers that scum don´t need to kill =/. I didn´t think no modkills for inactivity would have this big of an impact. | ||
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On July 16 2014 17:38 Koshi wrote: You people forgot Alakaslam was banned for a month. ExO_ is ExO_ he lurks as either alignment. Forumite. Tell me why SlOosh his case is garbage. A month, great Sloosh, he´s scum because of his semi-defence of kush that dropped when the check came in, barely mentions obi or kush until he really needed to. I don´t think he mentions kush's or obi's names anywhere except in the quotes of others. Not necessarily a scumtell but doesn´t look good combined with the FoS D3. | ||
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On July 16 2014 18:38 Koshi wrote: That was not my question. Why is slOosh his case bad. Tell me. Because to me and a lot of others slOosh is town. I don´t understand the question, "Why is sloosh his case bad"? What? I thought you meant "Tell me why Sloosh, his case is garbage", that I should elaborate. | ||
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On July 16 2014 19:30 Vivax wrote: Is it relevant? If I'm scum who suddenly stopped playing the game for some reason, then I will just make up the reason. If I had a good reason, you got no way of confirming it and I will just waste time explaining it. I'd rather have you judge me for what I actually contribute to solving the game. Fine, work your magic. I´m off, back before the deadline. | ||
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On July 17 2014 04:14 slOosh wrote: Forumite and BM, are you guys on the same page as us? Majority is pretty hard to reach with two inactives, so we all need to be on the same page here. Yes, I´m with you. I´m not going to go against the majority if it means we have a no-lynch. | ||
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On July 17 2014 21:13 yamato77 wrote: Forumite, what do you think of my other suspicions and townreads? You called me possible mafia yesterday, and now you vote for the guy I want to lynch. I don't understand. Koshi trusted you. I was suspicious yesterday, especially when you vote against a Damdred lynch which put town in a bad situation. Damdred flipped green though, which is good for you I guess. Today, I want to lynch vivax, he came back into the thread after an unexplained absence when he was considered for a lynch, diverted the lynch off himself and onto a townie. Scum, scum, scum, I want vivax to die. | ||
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I didn´t know Koshi was a blue role. Did he reveal this earlier? | ||
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On July 18 2014 06:34 Bill Murray wrote: Exo visited Ritoky GG <3 ##Vote: ExO_ | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On July 20 2014 04:31 yamato77 wrote: much anticipation very waiting | ||
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