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TL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2
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Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point. Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation. Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people. Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today). | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote: Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away. Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point. Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation. Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people. Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today). Does this make me town? On a more serious note, I'm not going to say someone is 100% scum 5-6 hours into a game. That's just stupid. I refuse to tunnel someone when not all of the players have even posted. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:15 Toadesstern wrote: the point is that you're talking about a bunch of things that might or might not be something. I disagree with pretty much everything but that's not the point here. You yourself are taking back EVERYTHING you said in your own post like you're scared to commit to something. *Here's a thing about toad I got but I am totally not sure about it... probably not a thing... don't mind me" I get that you can't be sure right now, I'm not sure about everything I say either and in fact Robik made a fuzz about that as well but you're doing that not with a couple things but with every single thing you said in that post. Why are you so afraid of how people perceive you that you aren't even ballsy enough to have a single straight forward line in your post that you DON'T take back in the next line? What the fuck? I didn't take back anything I said. You need to understand that this game is not static. It is an ecolving game and I'm not going to say "I'm 100% voting for XXX today". That's just terrible town play. Would you think I am town if I only talked about one person and simply voted for them without reading any other posts besides my target's? Let's analyze what I wrote about you: -I think your vote on Prp is scummy -I think your whole "town is sitting on their ass and I'm the only one trying" is scummy At this point, I could think "Wow, Toad looks really scummy to me" However, I also want to avoid being bias and tunneled, which is not good for town if I just sit here and tunnel you to death because that would take away from the actual scumhunting. So, I think some more and realize: -Some of my suspicion on Toad is due to the fact that I am disagreeing with him on opinions (such as the opinion of TL Mafia) So now, my first reason for thinking you are suspicious is a little diluted because of the potential flaws in my logic. It does not mean that I think you are town, not anywhere close. In the end, I need to find who I think is the most likely to flip scum. Being definitive yet allowing the game to still happen and perhaps change my opinion is the approach that I am taking. Quoting me and putting my words in red does not make me scum. Try harder please. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:25 iamperfection wrote: Iamrobik is like the most active poster i dont think he is scum and should only reassess this if on day 6 when im long dead he is still around. worry about it then. Discussion on iamrobik being scum can stop. What the hell Iamp? The 4-5 posts in my filter have 30 times as much content and purpose as his entire filter. If all I did was post meme's, one-liners, and rage posts whenever someone called me scum, would you REALLY count that as activity? | ||
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 You said this a bit earlier: On July 07 2014 23:55 Forumite wrote: He´s actively creating more useless posts beside his own by making others go along with his games and riddles. Do you still feel like this is true and do you feel that Koshi's posts have been the most useless so far? (Because I have a different opinion as stated earlier). | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:45 iamperfection wrote: i was just talking about that 1 post the part about toad bothers me the most as i think a townie would be more likely to post nothing at all instead saying in a long convoluted way that they don't know. Crying about other people shit posting doesn't really help your position. Do I even have a position? No one (besides Koshi) has commented on any of my reads so far. I'd love to have a position but you're not helping me out here  There's Toad but he doesn't have an actual reason to vote for me so I don't really count him. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:52 Toadesstern wrote: You were certainly backpaddeling a lot in that post. I never said you ACTUALLY went ahead and boldy claimed that you're taking back what you said, but your phrasing made it unconsciously so that it's happening. That is actually a very strong mafia trait. Mafia doesn't want to be held responsible for mislynches. Well why don't you wait under after a mislynch to use your argument against me? Your argument is certainly valid if (hypothetically) Robin were to flip town. You would go back, point that post out and call me out for being flippy-floppy. You can't say "this is really scummy because it gives you the opportunity to flip-flop" without me actually flip-flopping. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:57 Damdred wrote: Some people have commented on some of your reads. However it just feels like you are trying to make yourself look like town right now. Koshi said he agreed with my Robin read, disagreed with the others. Robin flipped his shit. That's only one person, really. I'm just trying to get into the game, that is all. | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:52 IAmRobik wrote: WTF is wrong with you people? Have you seen me play mafia? Have you seen me play town. They're quite different. Learn to read me or just don't read me at all, but don't you dare call me scum when I'm town. That's rude and wrong and just makes you look like those animals that say HEE HAW HEE HAW Iamp are you just like not reading this guy's posts or...? | ||
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2. Already answered. 3a Everything 3b All of them 3c Actually start playing the game P.S. Sorry for calling you Robin, mixed up your name. | ||
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On July 08 2014 04:19 IAmRobik wrote: You can't answer like this. I call BS. I want concrete answers or I will absolutely push the living shit out of you until you're dead Well if you give me a genuine read/posts to work on, I will gladly start treating you like any other player in this game. Unfortunately, you haven't done so. So I'm just going to continue not taking you seriously and fry bigger fish. | ||
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He has a happy trigger finger? My heart actually stopped b/c I thought he actually shot me, but Palmar didn't post that I was dead so I felt a little better. | ||
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If I knew, I'd tell you. But I don't | ||
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Has he really been the scummiest player in the thread so far? | ||
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On July 08 2014 15:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Why are you not considering yourself among the decision-makers in town? Why are you asking us if he's been the scummiest player? Why don't YOU tell US who the scummiest player is if you disagree that it's Forumite? Because I simply don't see the argument for lynching Forumite. I think it is a terrible lynch and I hope that it stops getting momentum. My vote is on Robik and it will stay on Robik. He's done nothing to prove that he is town; he's simply trying to feign activity and feign scumhunting. Hell, his argument for voting for you was that you were not on LoL. If you want more info on why I think he's scum, just look through my filter. He's a much better lynch than Forumite. | ||
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On July 08 2014 15:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh. Robik is just like this though, regardless of alignment. I don't think he's necessarily a good lynch either. And if you'll notice, I'm not on Forumite either - I'm on mderg. What do you think of mderg? Mderg has played the same kind of game as Robik. Is mderg always like this? What it comes down to is: What is more scummy, making stupid reads with no actual reasoning or making no reads at all? They're the same IMO | ||
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On July 08 2014 17:00 prplhz wrote: @Corazon There's no way we're lynching IAmRobik and that's okay because he's probably town. Please do something else and focus on people who aren't active, we're not lynching the most active D1 player because that guy simply never turns out to be scum. Doesn't matter if you like his contributions or not, he's interacted with the thread the most out of everybody so he's probably town and that means we're simply not lynching him. What the fuck did TL Meta change? Can I just spew out whatever I want and get a free pass because I posted a lot? WTF Prp? This is a really stupid reason to defend Robik. | ||
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If Iamp is town, he needs to really reevaluate his game, especially since he is still claiming Robik is being "active" and doing things when Robik seems like he is simply trying to disprove him with every vote-switch he performs. On that note, I'm going to continue to re-read the thread after I go do some IRL things. I'll be back with some additional thoughts either later tonight or tomorrow (way before the deadline, I promise). | ||
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Only Toad has gotten past that mark so far :/ | ||
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On July 09 2014 12:06 HaruRH wrote: How about you explain the following 2 quotes from you? "You need to understand that this game is not static. It is an ecolving game and I'm not going to say "I'm 100% voting for XXX today". That's just terrible town play." And then, when asked about your biggest scumread, "My vote is on Robik and it will stay on Robik" Me being stupid. That was before the Robik lynch-train died. If I got the chance to rewrite that, I would say "My vote is on Robik and it will stay on Robik until I feel someone else is scummier." Of course it's too late, but it's certainly not enough to call me scum. You need a bigger argument that that. | ||
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On July 09 2014 12:16 HaruRH wrote: How about this? Forumite randomly voted robik and only provided a crappy reason when asked for a reason. That reason is so generic it hurts. Do you still think forumite is a townread? Is robik really the scummiest so far? Yes I still think Forumite is a town read. Robik has done the same thing except he's done it at least 5 times and you're going to let him slide for that? I'm still mulling it over who I think is the scummiest. I'm still looking at a few filters. | ||
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On July 09 2014 12:20 HaruRH wrote: Also, how do you townread forumite after he looked so happy not being lynched? Would a town go 'yea as long as you dont lynch me any read is fine'? I would like to answer your question with 2 questions: 1. Do you really want to get lynched? (Give me a real answer, I won't judge you for it) 2. Would mafia just simply go out and say they dont want to be lynched plainly? | ||
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On July 09 2014 12:30 HaruRH wrote: I dont mind getting lynched if I fucked up. But if someone decides to mislynch me with bad reasoning ill flip. Yes and no. Think about it this way. Scum knows its too obvious to blatantly say that they don't want to be lynched, so most of the time it will be townread. TBH that second response seems like a lot of WIFOM to me. | ||
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On July 09 2014 12:43 HaruRH wrote: A wise man once said "WIFOM makes the world go round" - alexander the great Ok probably I made that quote up. And they didnt know the world was round at that point in time either. Anyway, WIFOM is what scum uses to deflect argument. It is easy to contribute most arguments as WIFOM. You just need to think what town|forumite will do as opposed to scum|forumite. In this case, it makes more sense for scum|forumite to do this. This is because he aggressively townread people early on, aroused suspicions and then quickly tried to put pressure off himself. After a whole day of forumite bbq, he is finally able to take the pressure off him and the first thing he says is 'at least im not lynched so lets sheep this case'. Definitely doesnt feel town. Alright, I disagree with you on this and I guess that makes our reads different. Not much else to say about it | ||
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Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly. I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched. On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp. I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance. | ||
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On July 09 2014 13:03 IAmRobik wrote: I still have yet to have Cora answer my questions or ask me questions or justify his maf read on me other than lying about me not doing anything The only thing that he has against me that's real is my long filter...but that doesn't make me scummy at all. Once you spew out something intelligible I might actually interact with you. But until then... | ||
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On July 09 2014 14:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Cora my issue is that you've now essentially boiled down your lynch preferences to policy-lynches. I know you think Robik is scum, but from my perspective I know that the things you think make Robik scum actually do not, and to me a vote for Robik is policy-lynching him for disliking his playstyle. You've also stated that you WOULD vote iamp to avoid nolynch, but only to avoid nolynch because you prefer Robik. You say you went over a couple of filters looking for scummies. Did they turn up anything? Who did you read over? I went over: slOosh Bunnies ObiWan Ritoky Mderg Iamp Prp It doesn't help that mderg, Ritoky, ObiWan, and slOosh all have filters with little content and no attempt to say who they think is scum (except slOosh's early read on Forumite which I completely disagree with). Of course, this same accusation can be extended to almost half the players here, so trying to lynch someone for these reasons is a crapshoot. Bunnies is kind of in that boat, but she does have 4 pages of filter and a semi-case on Ritoky, so I don't feel like lynching her today. I do like Prp's play so far (at least when compared to the 5 people I have mentioned before). I think he could be a bit more open with he thinks is scum, but I feel like he's trying to move discussion forward with his posts. Iamp I just talked about, so yeah. Is there someone that, in your opinion, I should be looking at? And let's be honest, if Robik is town he really should rethink his strategy before trying to play another game of Mafia. | ||
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On July 09 2014 15:20 slOosh wrote: prplhz, thoughts on iamp please. Cora, please address my post on page 65 I'm really conflicted on how I feel about Iamp. While he has said some scummy things, he's also been one of the people who is posting a lot. If I was 100% sure about Iamp being scum, I would have voted for him and campaigned for his lynch. But I'm only about 10-15% about Iamp being scum, not as much as I am about Robik. I don't want to vote a super-active person who actually has half-decent content in his posts over someone who has little content and no reads whatsoever. If we do that, we're just gonna be left with a crapshoot towards the end of the game. | ||
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On July 07 2014 22:52 iamperfection wrote: I have to explain to you why that post of yours was scummy?!?! It was long so therefore has the appearance that it wants to contribute some way but it in no way helps us hunt scum. Like no shit town should post and scum shouldn't be allowed to lurk everyone already knows that. If everyone already knows something there is no reason to post unless you are just posting for appearances which is a scummy mindset. Early pressure and banter with Koshi. On July 08 2014 03:25 iamperfection wrote: Iamrobik is like the most active poster i dont think he is scum and should only reassess this if on day 6 when im long dead he is still around. worry about it then. Discussion on iamrobik being scum can stop. An attempt to move the forward. Even though this is a ridiculously stupid read, it is an attempt for him to move the discussion away from something that he feels like isn't an issue/isn't worth being discussed. This post basically sums up how I feel about him. He's doing townie things, but with really confusing reasoning. Perhaps this is scum Iamp trying to look townie? It all hinges on Robik's alignment though. -His list post- Putting his reads out there, you get it... | ||
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On July 09 2014 15:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i think im pretty town. No one cares if you think you are town. Who do you think is scum? | ||
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On July 09 2014 16:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: actually, i may or may not have read the thread correctly, but i remember iamp posting a giant reads list after koshi posted that huge sexy case on him. so my issue is why didnt iamp address it? i dont remember him doing that. i remember him bitching at yamato because of his filter size or something but thats it. so did he just dodge the case or what? You could always read and try to participate in the game. | ||
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On July 09 2014 16:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: depends on what you give me in return. It's idiots like you that made me not play for 6 months... I'm definitely not playing again after this game. Put some fucking effort in this game. There's no point in me trying if half of the players don't bother to do the same at all. | ||
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On July 09 2014 16:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i dont get why youre so mad at me after i just intended to try and get back into the game. also, for the record, i just went through his filter and confirmed my thought. You have done literally nothing this game (I read your filter, it took me 2 seconds) and if you said "Yeah let me read the game and ill post some thoughts soon" but your response makes it look like you are going to be one of the 8-11 people who will not give any effort at all this game and not be lynchable because it's a crapshoot. If everyone like you put effort into the game, it would be a lot easier for the mafia to make mistakes because they would have to be active more, not simply hiding with all the other stupid townies who sign up for games just to lurk and not do jack shit. | ||
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I'll just fucking ignore everything he says and look for other lynch targets. It's pretty obvious that no one wants him lynched but me and we need a majority so... ##unvote: Robik [B]##Vote: Iamp[/B[ | ||
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Did Tehpoofter even post this entire game? I didn't even know he was playing... | ||
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Please just do everyone a favor and shut the fuck up. You're just spewing out the stupidest shit ever just so people can read you as town. Someone vig this idiot, please. | ||
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Corazon's accusing me of being scum for a decent reason? OMGUS! Corazon won't answer my stupid questions (even though he did)! He's scum! VE said he was gonna play LoL but he never logged on! He's scum! You guys mislynched Iamp! Now listen to whatever I do! And that's why you suck at mafia | ||
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On July 10 2014 03:45 IAmRobik wrote: 1) it's not omgus. My accusation of you is that you aren't trying to figure out my alignment. You're not asking questions to help you figure that out 2) you' haven't answered my question but to say "you're stupid" 3) People who lie are scummy 4) yea, no shit. You lynched a town. I tried to prevent it. I tried to lynch 2 people who were not town. Thus my opinion is already infinitely better than yours I'm still waiting for you to tell me which reads of mine you don't agree with or which reads I haven't explained. Cause that, alongside me "posting too much" are why you are pushing scum on me. Go for it big boy. Prove me wrong. Show me that you can put 2 logical thoughts together 1) It is OMGUS, you raged in an expletive-filled post that was almost all in caps lamenting how people thought you were scum. 2) Because you are stupid 3) This proves #2 4) Changing your vote 8 times and voting people in an incoherent fashion gives you almost no power to control the lynch. You gave up your ability to stop/push any lynch once you started running around like a chicken with its head cut off, voting willy-nilly and without any logical backup as well. Now you come in here and demand we listen to you? Get off your fucking high horse and earn the right to be actually heard and respected in this town. I'm now going back to ignoring all of your posts until you start sounding intelligible. | ||
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On July 10 2014 03:53 Vivax wrote: Cora why did you hammer before iamp was going to post his testament. Weren't you interested into what he had to say, were you just that confident, or afraid for yourself? Cause we weren't going to get any other lynch besides Iamp. No one else picked up enough serious suspicion besides Forumite (who I think is town) and myself (who I know is town). As I said before, I'd rather take an Iamp lynch over a no-lynch. | ||
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On July 10 2014 03:59 HaruRH wrote: Robik was at least right (3/3) with his reads. Cora was nowhere near. (0/3) That's why robik should be sheeped. This is as good as a cop check. What the hell? Are you as stupid as Robik? Only 3 person has flipped and only Iamp was read by both of us. Robik only gave Iamp a town read because Iamp gave him a town read. Iamp made this weird suggestion that Robik was actually doing something when he hasn't, simply put. So now that you've said something that stupid, I'm not reading any of your posts either. | ||
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On July 10 2014 04:04 Vivax wrote: We weren't really facing the threat of a no-lynch with 3 hours left. This town is so lurky and stupid that we were. TBH | ||
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I'm a one-shot vig who can only shoot people who voted for a mislynch. I chose Obi cause I didn't like his non-effort in the game. Guess I got lucky ^^ Anyways, I'm gonna vote Robik. Lynch me if you want, I don't care. It will be a mislynch. See you guys Night 2 | ||
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What a fucking idiot, he should really never play a game of Mafia again. | ||
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Later | ||
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READ MY FUCKING CLAIM | ||
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So yeah I take back everything bad I said about you cause you were mafia, it was a good strategy to join the 7 other townies who didnt do shit D1. Props to you. | ||
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