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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 16:35 GMT
#1622
Battle Royale:

IamPerfection vs ObiWan vs Forumite


pick one out of those 3. Toad has decided.
I see the cora points and I don't mind them but let's reduce the chaos.
IamPerfection and forumite because those 2 are mafia.
ObiWan is the lurkeroption if you disagree with both reads, but I want an explanation if you disagree with both reads.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 17:02 GMT
#1649
On July 10 2014 01:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 01:57 prplhz wrote:
but you cannot seriously think that a townie would ever think "i'll just sheep koshi's big case on iamp and when iamp flips town we'll lynch koshi"

just lol


Totally has happened before.

it's actually the reason I never wanted to consider the guy VE wanted lynched as a lurkerlynch. I thought that if we're lynching a lurker that's somewhat of a coinflip and if VE is wrong on that a shitstorm happens, VE rages and everyone loses.
At the same time worst case of hitting town with a lurker Koshi or I propsed would be one of us being wrong but noone in his right mind would lynch either of us for that

It's because I love you VE and I don't want to see you get broken. At least not as long as I'm unsure about your alignment.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 17:05 GMT
#1653
it's cool, we're lynching mafia today
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 17:11 GMT
#1662
On July 10 2014 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
I wouldn't rage if mderg had been lynched and flipped town Toad. My days of rage are waning.

all the jubjubs would rage at YOU, and you'd rage back after having to deal with nonstop bullshit, or so I think.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 17:32 GMT
#1669
On July 10 2014 00:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 00:20 Vivax wrote:
On July 09 2014 12:57 Corazon wrote:
Alright, so about Iamp:

Whether we lynch Iamp or not will determine how we go about this game. A majority of the players in this game have almost no filter and have no expressed their opinion whatsoever. Town will lose if this continues to be the case. Sure we will eventually vote people out, but town is going to cruise into loserville if we vote haphazardly.

I'm slightly leaning towards scum on Iamp because his filter is 6 pages and only 5% of it contains statements that show what his opinions of other players are. A lot of his posts are just filler, answering questions, or one-liner stuff. There's also the issue in his reads post that the explanation of his scumread on me is weak at best (and a lot worse than the other two), yet I'm his top scum read. That makes no sense at all and it seems like he just has an agenda to get me lynched.

On the other hand, Iamp does have the longest filter in the game (or at least close if Koshi's is longer) and if he is town, he will be able to actually get us far. Since I really think we should lynch into the pool of players who have not shown their reads or have weak reads that are based off of absolutely nothing, I would prefer if we not lynched Iamp today. However, if I had to choose between Iamp and a no-lynch, I would lynch Iamp.

I hope that clears my stance on him. I still think a Robik lynch would be good because he's just playing like a chicken with his head cut off plus some players have actually defended Robik by saying that they think he's actually justifying his reads and that he is being "active" (which is really puzzling to me), which would put more value into a Robik lynch than one might think at first glance.


I don't understand this, iamp is scummy to you but you prefer not to lynch him for his activity (8 pages of filter).
Robik is a headless chicken (10 pages) and you think that he's more worth lynching cause some people defended him.

If both are scummy to you, why does the activity argument apply to the guy with the smaller filter???

I'm glad that someone else is finally saying what I've said. Hopefully someone will read and answer this now. HOLY SHIT

robik if that's a point you think is worth a damn it makes iamP more likely to be mafia, doesn't it?

Why would cora go out of his way to say bullshit like that other than being forced to say that? This explanation from Vivax makes sense if, and only if both cora and iamP are mafia.
If iamp is town Cora wouldn't post this with a mafia agenda in his mind ("have to protect iamp") but rather he'd be posting it because he's more familiar with one of the 2 players, which isn't all that alignment indicative.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 17:36 GMT
#1672
On July 10 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Someone unvote so mafia doesnt hammer that shit.

why don't you put your vote on someone who has the chance to get lynched today?

Do you disagree with all 3 of Foru / iamp / cora ?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 17:40 GMT
#1678
On July 10 2014 02:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 02:36 Toadesstern wrote:
On July 10 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Someone unvote so mafia doesnt hammer that shit.

why don't you put your vote on someone who has the chance to get lynched today?

Do you disagree with all 3 of Foru / iamp / cora ?


I disagree that cora and iamp are the lynches. I would lynch forum, but he doesn't even look like he is an option. How many are voting for him? 1 person. And thats bill.

I'm on ritoky, because I think he is our best bet. He isn't even around for voting.
Scummy af.


may that be as it is I'd bet my balls on forumite being more likely to get lynched than ritoky. He was on 8 votes just recently and people unvoted him because of iamp. Getting him lynched instead wouldn't be all that difficult.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 17:41 GMT
#1680
On July 10 2014 02:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 02:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On July 10 2014 02:36 Toadesstern wrote:
On July 10 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Someone unvote so mafia doesnt hammer that shit.

why don't you put your vote on someone who has the chance to get lynched today?

Do you disagree with all 3 of Foru / iamp / cora ?


I disagree that cora and iamp are the lynches. I would lynch forum, but he doesn't even look like he is an option. How many are voting for him? 1 person. And thats bill.

I'm on ritoky, because I think he is our best bet. He isn't even around for voting.
Scummy af.


may that be as it is I'd bet my balls on forumite being more likely to get lynched than ritoky. He was on 8 votes just recently and people unvoted him because of iamp. Getting him lynched instead wouldn't be all that difficult.

please don't interpret this as betting stuff outside the game. I'm not actually betting my balls here.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 18:07 GMT
#1697
... did not see that comming...

On an unrelated note Vengeful spirit looks like something that wins if player X is dead while they're still alive. So I'd assume
Tehpoofter had to kill either iamp or 27ninjabunnies

At least 2 useless people gone that would have had to be dealt with sooner or later and we got some reactions out of it. Make sure to reread people's reasoning on why they voted for iamP and especially those that didn't want to vote iamP and if that made sense or if it's just mafia speaking with confirmation bias because they knew he's not mafia.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 18:14 GMT
#1707
I would have told people to protect Koshi and me had this been a red lynch or a black lynch but with this... really just make up your own mind. I don't see any of the defenders of iamP being in any real danger either so there's no really important target right now

As for vigs, we have a lot of useless people. If you're not sure what to do killing useless people is always good. If for nothing else but for the coinflip for the sake of motivating people to do something.

With that being said, rereading the people who defended iamp as being town, there's bound to be mafia in there to get that delicious towncred and to yell "told ya" right now and football afterwards, so problably only short posts after midnight from me or nothing until morning.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 18:20 GMT
#1709
On July 10 2014 03:17 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 03:14 Toadesstern wrote:
I would have told people to protect Koshi and me had this been a red lynch or a black lynch but with this... really just make up your own mind. I don't see any of the defenders of iamP being in any real danger either so there's no really important target right now

As for vigs, we have a lot of useless people. If you're not sure what to do killing useless people is always good. If for nothing else but for the coinflip for the sake of motivating people to do something.

With that being said, rereading the people who defended iamp as being town, there's bound to be mafia in there to get that delicious towncred and to yell "told ya" right now and football afterwards, so problably only short posts after midnight from me or nothing until morning.

There were like 3 people defending him -- me, bunnies and maybe prplhz but not really. I'm town. Bunnies, based off the fact that she's 3p and had some "outlast the other spirit" wincon, was definitely town siding. So unless you want to read prplhz who was really fucking awkward with his pseudo defense of iamp, you're better off just looking at the people who sheeped Koshi and tried to tack on nonsensical bullshit.

P.S. Yamato is like 1342809482039% scum.
He should die at some point this game, but only after Koshi is put in a casket for his d1 antics

14 people voted iamP. That means there's a lot more people who didn't want to vote IamP. I'm not particularly looking at you simply because you've done it so drasticly (but really, that's a null).

More along the lines of layabout or whoever else comes to your mind in that regard.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 18:24 GMT
#1713
On July 10 2014 03:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:
On July 10 2014 03:17 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 10 2014 03:14 Toadesstern wrote:
I would have told people to protect Koshi and me had this been a red lynch or a black lynch but with this... really just make up your own mind. I don't see any of the defenders of iamP being in any real danger either so there's no really important target right now

As for vigs, we have a lot of useless people. If you're not sure what to do killing useless people is always good. If for nothing else but for the coinflip for the sake of motivating people to do something.

With that being said, rereading the people who defended iamp as being town, there's bound to be mafia in there to get that delicious towncred and to yell "told ya" right now and football afterwards, so problably only short posts after midnight from me or nothing until morning.

There were like 3 people defending him -- me, bunnies and maybe prplhz but not really. I'm town. Bunnies, based off the fact that she's 3p and had some "outlast the other spirit" wincon, was definitely town siding. So unless you want to read prplhz who was really fucking awkward with his pseudo defense of iamp, you're better off just looking at the people who sheeped Koshi and tried to tack on nonsensical bullshit.

P.S. Yamato is like 1342809482039% scum.
He should die at some point this game, but only after Koshi is put in a casket for his d1 antics

14 people voted iamP. That means there's a lot more people who didn't want to vote IamP. I'm not particularly looking at you simply because you've done it so drasticly (but really, that's a null).

More along the lines of layabout or whoever else comes to your mind in that regard.

I'm a null read for hard defending a town against accusations that were rudely inaccurate? You must still be riding high on that Germany.

the act of defending iamP like you did is a null. The rest of you looks townish.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 18:35 GMT
#1722
On July 10 2014 03:33 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 03:31 prplhz wrote:
christ robik

it's an honest question! You said you're playing better than anyone yet you supported a lynch of a townie. What is good about that play? YOU CALLED HIM TOWN AND PROCEEDED TO VOTE ON HIM! That's not good town play. That's illogical town play. If it was 30 minutes left and it was no-lynch or lynch iamp, then MAYBE you lynch him. But you called him town and still lynched him. That's not good. That's bad. That's an unforgivable error.

that's actually a decent point.

People who don't step up to try to put up something themselves don't get to whine about the result
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 09 2014 18:36 GMT
#1724
On July 10 2014 03:35 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm gonna avoid telling certain people this game that I think their 4 year old autistic sister is writing their posts for them. Instead I'll just say that there are people that I want dead. Before the end of night (in case medic can't/doesn't save me for some absurdly poor reason), I'm going to make a list of those people who need to die. We will follow that list until the end. If the game isn't over, then townies are allowed to make decisions for themselves. Until that time, y'all have proved yourself unworthy and will be sheeping me.

Thanks!

lol no
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 10 2014 19:10 GMT
#1955
On July 11 2014 03:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 23:06 Palmar wrote:
ObiWanShinobi the Mafia Janitor is dead

Role PM

Janitor

When someone needs to not only die, but disappear, you are the man for the job. Feeding victims to pigs is just monday in your world.

Twice in the game you can send in the name of a player. You will kill that player, and his body will mysteriously disappear. The target will not flip.

You win when the mafia can not be stopped.

You are also able to deliver one mafia KP per night, in addition to your abilities.


Scum were probably NOT bussing this guy. He didn't just hide flips, he KILLED people AND hid their flips.

On July 10 2014 01:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Battle Royale:

IamPerfection vs ObiWan vs Forumite


pick one out of those 3. Toad has decided.
I see the cora points and I don't mind them but let's reduce the chaos.
IamPerfection and forumite because those 2 are mafia.
ObiWan is the lurkeroption if you disagree with both reads, but I want an explanation if you disagree with both reads.


*ehem*

Sorry for the IamPerfection part but I'm not even mad. Surely you could say that I was telling people to pick between forumite and Iamperfection and only pick ObiWan when you don't want either of the other 2 lynched but holy crap I would not have picked ObiWan as a bus as mafia, EVER.
Also I had some fair amount of talk about how I liked him lynched the most during the lurker talk if we're lynching lurker if I recall correctly.

Sorry for brags, but just to make sure noone is trying to get me lynched because of IamPerfection because I haven't read a thing yet with TI and all. I mentioned ObiWan quite a lot during the lurker discussion. There should be some delicious information in my filter and especially people responding to the stuff I said about that.

I'm going to read some during the early morning hours as I don't have to wake up tomorrow and I'm pulling an all nighter.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 10 2014 23:50 GMT
#2014
On July 11 2014 08:18 Bill Murray wrote:
I was roleblocked last night

let me just ask this way: why would you claim that?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 10 2014 23:53 GMT
#2015
actually that's an instavote right now

##vote Bill Murray
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 11 2014 00:09 GMT
#2017
On July 11 2014 09:01 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 08:53 Toadesstern wrote:
actually that's an instavote right now

##vote Bill Murray

yeah i think he need to say a bit more before we speculate since you don't get informed of a roleblock
Show nested quote +
Notifications

You will not receive any information you don’t need. You will not know if you were roleblocked, saved, investigated, visited or whether or not any of your actions had their desired effects or not. You can ask, but if I did not send you any information, you probably shouldn’t receive any.

gosh thanks for telling him outright instead of waiting for his answer to my question...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 11 2014 00:28 GMT
#2019
well I quoted the thing about 30-40 minutes after he posted his claim inbetween a dotagame so I don't think calling it "ignoring me" is really possible. Probably him not being around anymore, or at least that's what it looks like.

Pretty sure I would have continued pressuring it hard had he ignored it and brought attention to it had people spammed it away... Now I'm forced to consider whatever kind of bullshit reason he brings to the table at facevalue and consider it a null

Yes thread more readable, but a possible scumslip made useless... whatever no point in whining about spilled milk
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 11 2014 00:37 GMT
#2022
On July 11 2014 09:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, it's common knowledge that Palmar runs his games this way. Bill would (I think) know this...so it's a little ridiculous if he thinks he can get useful information by fake-claiming roleblocked. Unless he actually /was/ roleblocked, in which scenario you'd have to assume that he /is/ a power-role and actually /knows/ he was roleblocked (because of a targeted action not resolving or whatever). But in that case, why does he claim it? Mafia don't know if they actually stopped a power of his or not, so it doesn't make sense from a town perspective to claim having /actually/ been roleblocked in that scenario. There's no benefit for town to know this, and EVERY benefit for mafia to know it.

My conclusion is that Bill Murray is faking roleblocked here. I don't know if he's doing it as town or mafia. If he's town and doing it, it's important that we hear his reasoning for doing so.

exactly. The only thing I can think about would be something like a vig who shot someone and he assumes his target would not be protected or something like that.

At the same time I disagree with you about BM knowing that Palmar runs his games that way. I do not think he'd know that at all. He's not that kind of guy who thinks about that and neither is he the kind of guy who actually reads the OP before he sings up for something. Yes, that's speculation from my point of view but I feel rather strongly about it, which is why I asked the question rather than just point it out...
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