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Don't Lynch Ever:
Bill Murray - Town
layabout - Town confirmed through BM/Kush check
ritoky - Town - Didn't go anywhere last night according to koshi, am VT.
Don't Lynch Today
koshi - claim observer - giving prospective Town for now.
Checks:
N1 VE --> Didn't go anywhere.
N2 Forumite --> Didn't go anywhere.
N3 Ritoky --> Didn't go anywhere.
batsnacks - Town For today he has to be green much to my chagrin, will gladly reconsider him tomorrow. Like me there was a claim he didn't do anything last night, so he shouldn't really be a lynch candidate.
yamato77 - I generally don't like people who are always 2nd and 3rd on board things, and I made a case against yamato77 based primarily on gut feelings and some evidence. He has done enough to calm my bad feelings about him. I wouldn't lynch him today. He has voted every time with forumite, so forumite's alignment could influence this. That said, if he is still in the game much later, it would be concerning as he has been town read by so many so strongly.
toadesstem - He has a healthy level of skepticism, a healthy level of tunnel, and has been actively attempting to piece information in the game together; reading his posts I don't get any feelings that he has any more information than I do, and thus I would give him a town pass for the day.
Lynchable people
sloosh - The first to push on inactives/low hanging fruit as mafia, and since hasn't stopped. Very likely scum. Have talked about it enough before.
forumite - He had that very strange interaction early in the game that a lot of people jumped on him for that list includes: prp, robik, VE, toades, and koshi (a lot of town in that list). These are the last real reads he has given:
On July 09 2014 23:28 Forumite wrote:
Strong townread: Koshi
weak townread: Toades, Alakaslam
weak scumread: SloOsh
no fucking idea: Bill Murray
Also Robik is town and Cora is probably town. They should really stop OMGUSing eachother.
That was quite some time ago, and has not really given any updates since. It should also be noted that prp was still alive at this point (whom he claimed a 99% town read on) yet not included in his reads. He has mostly been sheeping since then. Even to the point of over-aggressively sheeping BM in some of his posts when BM was faking like his check was on me and not kush. I want him to post more, since he hasn't really done any scum hunting on his own for 2 day phases. Until he does he is a lower tier scum read for me.
vivax - This guy is kinda an enigma to me. I have never played with him before, and he is all kinds of levels of disengaged from the game. I had him as leaning town because of this post that I liked: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=108#2159
That said, it's the only real thing I can remember about him. A lot of his posting seemed only directed at a select few people that I guess he is friends with/played with before; and he largely ignored interacting with the rest of the game. That said, until recently I never felt like he hadn't read the thread at all. I am null leaning town on vivax, but I also think that if there is an SK in the game that he is probably high on the list of possible people.
damnedred - Someone else made the case better than I could have earlier in the thread about damnedred: "he posts like he is in survival mode". I like a lot of what he says, and some of it feels really townie in terms of content and intent; but the problem is the timing. It is almost as if he only turns on his game when his name is out there with question marks next to it or it is on the block for head chopping. It just all seems a little too heavy in regards to self preservation for a townie mindset. However, he is lower on my scum list that both sloosh and ExO_
ExO_ - I still think that of the ultra-lurkers, he is the most likely to be mafia, nothing he has done has changed my mind since I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=123#2460
hiropro - Difficult to read due to lack of activity and substance in filter, the most strange part of his filter for me was that he had an early scum read on both VE and BM, yet when they claimed he seemingly accepted them without any form of question or hesitance. Has interacted strangely with Vivax a lot. Null leaning scum.
Problem Child:
alakaslam - Presents a problem. He is banned and supposedly for long enough that it will be the duration of the game. Confirms that he is not a nightly KP (such as SK) as he cannot send in actions while banned, but will likely have to be dealt with via lynch at some point in the game. I honestly don't know what is the best way to deal with this guy at this point.
Top lynches:
1. Sloosh
2. ExO_
3. forumite/damnred
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On July 15 2014 15:21 kushm4sta wrote:
am i modkilled or still in the game?
you were lynched last day phase.
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On July 13 2014 16:42 ritoky wrote:
These scum reads are in no particular order.
that is at the top of my last post, they were just numbered for organization's sake in the last post. i guess if you wanted a reason why you're above him, it would be that i feel he is doing nothing, while you're doing actively scummy things i.e. pushing the same agenda you were before.
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#1) Here is the beginning of my scum read on you, as I stated before. I have played 6 previous games on these forums and the person who first makes a list of the lurkers/low hanging fruit and says let's start lynching them has been mafia in all 6 of them.
On July 11 2014 06:42 slOosh wrote:
I want to play a game where we have a bunch of people, and we kill the last one to cast a vote.
The pool being ritoky, batsnacks, mderg, sinani, damdred and hiropro.
And they can only vote for other people in the pool.
Best game ever.
Jk, I'll be reading up on these dudes, but I'm like reasonably sure like 2 or 3 mafia are in here.
Before I continue, let's examine that list so far: mderg -> town, sinani -> town, batsnacks -> didn't do anything last night, ritoky -> didn't do anything last night. So the first 4 on your list are most probably all town; yet you insist on continuing down your list and that it is a correct pursuit, yet don't really justify why when your reads thus far have been bad.
#2) This is an opinion thing, so feel free to debate it; but I read you as a taker and not a giver. What I mean by that is that I am put off by people who always ask and ask and ask for information from others and give out their opinions and information at a much lower rate. That reads mafia to me, in that you are trying to gauge opinion so you can place your statements properly in the current climate of the thread.
#3) You aren't a leader, you're a pusher. It is very similar to the way I was reading yamato77 earlier. You're often the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th onto something; but nearly never the 1st. You get on-board when something late enough that you know it has wheels, but early enough that you don't look scummy. Your counter to this is going to be: hey, I was the first to vote on mderg, but in reality, harurh, kush, layabout, and a couple others had been hammering hard on that guy for quite a few pages before you even got involved in the matter and started the vote train.
#4) You're voting on someone who did nothing last night. I haven't heard you say koshi's claim is full of shit yet, and if you do believe that, then I am okay with your vote. But I think layabout's logic is pretty sound. With the level of town roles in the game it is likely that most or all of the mafia have a role, and myself and batsnacks didn't do shit last night.
#5) Your inconsistencies, really centering around 2 people and a lack of explanation about them.
Your current list of scum are numbers 2,3, and 5 in terms of filter length. And a lot of your criticism of them stems from that general area of thought. Why aren't exo_ and vivax anywhere in your reads? I mean vivax was kinda there day 1, but gone since. A townie mindset would look into all 5 of us the same if that's a metric you're gauging off of (I know your case on me is slightly different).
So there ya go, that's why I think you're scum. Gonna take a shower now.
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On July 16 2014 06:37 Forumite wrote:
Vivax seemed town and then went AFK. If he´s town then he´s not helping much, but town doesn´t gain anything from wasting a lynch on him, just another round of scum nightkills. If he´s town at least, there is a chance that he´s a mafia lurker but we have scummy active players too, so I´d prefer not to lynch Vivax.
If you believe this, then why is exo_ on this list and vivax not?
On July 15 2014 22:52 Forumite wrote:
Sloosh, bats, Damdred, ExO
Based on what happened the day kush was lynched, quoted earlier, I think Sloosh looks bad. I´m prepared to hear cases on Damdred and ExO, Damdred because of prplhz case and ExO because lurker and bad wibes.
##Vote: SlOosh
#1) I want to hear YOUR case on sloosh, I was very specific, could you please be as well.
#2) Why are you willing th hear cases? The town mindset is the make cases and find scum, not sit around and wait for cases to come to you. You mafia bro?
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On July 16 2014 07:22 Forumite wrote:
1) Sloosh and yamato appeared to try/jump on a ritoky bandwagon while kush was pressured by BM D3, then quickly changed their minds when BM revealed that he had a real check on kush. I think sloosh and yamato are scum and when they heard the accusation against kush they knew it was true and tried to salvage townie points by joining the bandwagon early. In contrast others, like Toades, was skeptic and cast doubt on BM and his claim, which makes sense if you are a townie hearing an unverified claim from someone you previously thought was scummy.
2) ...
1) What do you make of how both of those scum reads being okay with/wanting a lynch on vivax? Also, in your list of 4 people you would lynch between today, yamato was not included; what made him scum between a few hrs ago and now?
Here's the list for reminder:
On July 15 2014 22:52 Forumite wrote:
Sloosh, bats, Damdred, ExO
Last question, if sloosh is so mafia then why have your reads have aligned with his enough to vote with him all 3 votes?
2) Not really a sufficient response.
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I have read your post, and my initial response is:
1) Almost everyone who has posted this phase except the confirmed town and me seems pretty okay with lynching vivax; doesn't that make you hesitate?
2) If I were to replace vivax's name with exo_ or alakaslam, would the case largely be the same? So why aren't you scum reading them? or reading them at all?
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