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and because I've got 5 more minutes I don't mind doing your work robik because I know what terms to search for:
Search: townreads are easy / Content only / Username: Toadesstern
+ Show Spoiler +On February 27 2014 08:39 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 27 2014 08:21 Vivax wrote:
Imagine you're scum and a townie defends you thinking you're town.
Imagine you're town and a townie defends you when you're not really at acute danger
Imagine you're town and a scum defends you.
All alternatives aren't really attractive except for the scum party involved, except when you're at realistic danger of being lynched, which you weren't.
Shouting your townreads out loud without need only helps scum in picking their targets, for the nightkill and for lynches. They will know who they can push safely without facing resistance and who they have to NK.
Besides, town shouldn't spend time circlejerking around why somebody is town in such situations, but why somebody is scum. Of course it's situational, and in your case I didn't feel the need to redeem you from anything to find scum. I simply didn't find you scummy like others did, and that's all town needs to know. Now this is not really what translates to clarity and transparent so i heavily disagree with this post. There is no reason why one should not give out townreads, especially with reasoning. I understand the "useless" part but if half of the players find someone scummy and you don't, there is no reason to do what you did, which is you said "TheChyz is not scum but i won't tell you why". You cut off the bad cases if you know better because it gives people a better read on you and if you are right it forces the town to focus on targets that are important. that posts actually makes sense considering it's Vivax. Not solely because Vivax but also because of the time he last played. His last game was LIX if I'm not mistaken, that's a year ago. Imo it was "meta" back than to not talk about townreads until you got for a clean swipe and have pretty much everyone figured out because single townreads are incredibly easy to fake for mafia due to the fact that they don't even have to lie about them. Therefore, single townreads that weren't at the very beginning of d1 were commonly referred to as fluff and trying to look like you're doing something while not actually doing anything. I especially was someone who took a book out of that note and I still don't think it's a good thing to post single town-reads at all. If you're a good player and have 90% of the people figured and and can lynch based on method of elimination by all means, post town reads but other than that, not really. Again, I in particular were someone who kept saying so and I in particular bullied Vivax quite a bit in his last game. Seems plausable to have this idea for him. Also looks like he's really trying to improve considering that last game he was in.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 09 2013 02:36 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 01:58 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2013 01:38 Toadesstern wrote:On March 09 2013 00:15 marvellosity wrote:
There have been a lot of one-sided town wins recently. And a one-sided mafia win (LVIII).
The best games are the close games. Like Hero Mini Mafia, where both sides played pretty well and it was a genuine battle. yeah think so too. Out of the last 5 games I had 4 ended up with a mafia lynch on d1 I think. Or 3 out of 4, I only know the one where I sheeped palmar d1 was the only one that didn't actually get mafia d1 in a loooong time. And before the pause I had we had the game with Matt claiming self-aware miller in a game without self-aware millers, so another d1 mafia lynch (though it's not in a row for you guys because as mentioned I was away from mafia for a bit after that). The one game I mentioned, with palmar mislynching d1 and Supersoft being mafia really was the only decent game for mafia I saw in a long long time. So yeah, we probably need some more advice for mafias. After each and every game you're told what you did wrong as town and you can reflect on those things. It's hard to get those advices for mafias, especially considering that from a mafias point of view it highly depends on the situation you're in in that specific moment about wether the calls you're making are right, without the knowledge you have postgame. That makes it hard to reflect upon yourself as mafia even with advice because it's rarely applicable outside the vacum-situation you have when reading advices. Because again, it's usually not about making the right or wrong calls as mafia but more about wether you're able to make them in the situation you're in and that's just really hard to give advice for unless you're doing it live I guess. yeah I pretty much agree. Playing mafia like you say is very situation-dependent. A lot of playing good scum, I think, is sensing where the thread is or what the thread sentiment is, or even more importantly maybe, is going to be shortly in the future. This is especially true for bussing decisions. Your mafiabuddy only has one or two votes. Question is, are you going to be able to save him, either with defence or a good case on someone else? The sooner you decide the better. And sometimes after the game you don't even know if you made the right choice! Generally speaking mafia need to post more. Mafia need to grab some thread presence Day 1. Day 1 is really important. If you're not impactful in any way on Day 1, it's really really hard to grab influence later. And if a mafia team has no influence, then when things start going wrong (as they often do) you have no way to combat it because you're all unimportant. Far too many mafia teams these days are unable to push their agendas because none of them have any thread presence. yeah d1 performance from mafias are really bad these days and I have to include myself in there due to laziness in my last game as mafia as well I guess :p It's incredibly hard to be wrong on a townread as a townie, like really hard unless you're in that one game you have once a year where literally everything you say is just flat out wrong. Being wrong on a townread really shouldn't ever happen and the way games go you usually have at least 50% of the game figured out as town with a likeliness of everyone in that group really being town high enough to bet your own balls on them being town. You probably will have more than 50% down as town pretty easily in most games on d1. That leaves a bunch of randoms who didn't perform well and mafias in the group called "the rest" and it's really not that hard to find mafia based on that knowledge + some basic reads even without reading the thread. That's basicly how every single game turns out to be except for very few exceptions nowadays and a mafia actually looking townish or leading town is a very rare situation these days when in fact it is really easy to look good, especially on d1 
+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 15:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I'm not saying vet-reads are more important. They aren't.
They are more consistent (most of the times, yes I'm looking at you bugs).
That's not that much of a big deal when talking about mafiareads because they can still be wrong a lot of times. So when a vet isn't explaining a mafiaread you shouldn't just sheep. He's probably doing that to gauge reactions.
On townreads it's something different though, those are so easy to do that you usually don't feel like explaining and you know that the majority of vets agrees with you anyways, so there's no need to. Which means if there's 4 vets telling you someone is town, even without reasoning you should listen to that.
I already mentioned I don't like talking about townreads. That's not because talking about townreads is essentially that bad but rather because it's a null without reasoning. If I provide reasoning I however end up giving mafia the key to "How to make Toad think you're a Townie", which really isn't that good of an idea in my opinion, so those townreads naturally will come without reasoning a lot.
+ Show Spoiler +h On January 20 2013 15:01 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:
@Clarity He doesn't think we have to vote someone like Vivax (someone he believes is easy to read) in order to ensure a townie being elected.
I suppose I'll come out and give my plan for the day.
I don't give a flying fuck right now who gets mayor. What I do care about is lynching scum, and to do that town needs to make a consolidated effort to scumhunt day 1 instead of this townhunting idea that Toad wants to put forth. I say we elect mayor based on whether they are scumhunting effectively. If people want to be mayor, they need to scumhunt, pick their day 1 lynch target, and let town decide based on the quality of the read.
If there are multiple mayoral candidates who are picking the same target(s), then we can consider things like how easy it is to read that candidate, and how town they are, but I see no reason to waste all of day 1 figuring out who the most amount of people think is town when the name of the game is lynching scum, and the mayor has the sole power to do so today. To be elected mayor, a player needs good scum reads, not just the ability to look town for a cycle. can't sleep Anyways you know me and you know that that isn't what I said at all, neither was it what it was intended to look like... You played with me two games and you know that I'm the guy who HATES talking about townreads the most out of all the people on TL. From LVIII:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 11:39 Toadesstern wrote:
Seriously, why do people start talking about townreads all the time?
I hate that and nowadays everyone does it. Even you marv... you're better than that.
There's no reason to talk about a townread, no matter how weak or how strong on d1 unless the guy in question is about to be lynched. Don't give people an easy time skating by by dropping some random townreads, talk about things you consider to be weird. Pretty sure I said something like that in YANMM as well, stating that it's almost impossible to judge people based on townreads and you've been in both Yamato, so you should know that. What I said was: It should be easy to pick someone who's townish among the vets. I never said we should be talking about townreads or not scumhunt at all. Not once. Frankly speaking given the posts I did (I admit it's from the 2 other games...) you should have come to the conclusion that it's the exact opposite I'm telling people given the fact that you've been in both of them because I was openly stating that it's almost impossible to judge people based on weak ass townreads they give. Did you completly forget who I am or are you trrying to misinterpret everything I stand for on TL-mafia on purpose?
+ Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 12:10 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 12:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On January 03 2013 11:39 Toadesstern wrote:
Seriously, why do people start talking about townreads all the time?
I hate that and nowadays everyone does it. Even you marv... you're better than that.
There's no reason to talk about a townread, no matter how weak or how strong on d1 unless the guy in question is about to be lynched. Don't give people an easy time skating by by dropping some random townreads, talk about things you consider to be weird. I talk about town reads because I am defending my position that people who want to lynch Tunkeg right now are making oh so very stupid decisions. Also I think they are wrong. But I defer to your infinite wisdom Toad. Surely you know better than I. Post some information devoid of townreads and do explain on who is the scum and why you are right. Or at the very least, who you think is wrong. See the thing is, I haven't mentioned a single town read (besides one that only 1 guy in the thread knows about :3) at all and I don't plan on doing it, neither should you. I've mentioned a couple of things I consider weird, mainly some things about Palmar and Marv so far. Not saying I'm the wisdom in person and I never intended it to be that way but it is INCREDIBLY hard to tell a townie who's posting a townread apart from a mafia who's posting a townread while both may look like something useful (it's not). A townread is best kept to yourself, especially early on. - There's no reason to tell people what the key to making you think someone is town is.
- There's no reason to tell mafia (if you're town) who you consider to be a likely townie is.
- There's no reason to tell anybody why you think someone is town at all, unless said person is about to be lynched (I don't see that happening right now.
On top of that, it is incredibly easy for mafia to look like they're doing something by posting townreads. They know they're right on something, they don't have to make up bullshit, which they have to when they're doing scumreads unless they're bussing. They can get in the thread make 4 townreads about someone, mix in 2 mafiabuddies and tell people they're mafia as well and there's almost no way to distinguish that from a townie. I mean there is, but it's just WAY hader than by looking at peoples mafiareads because again, mafia have to make up some bullshit when doing those, they got confirmation bias and already know they're wrong and all that is making it hard for mafias to talk about mafia-reads. Talking about townreads isn't for them, not at all. That being said, I'd very much like a situation in which we just keep our townreads to ourselves pretty please.
there's a crapton of posts like that around. Didn't feel like quoting more than I just did
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On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away.
Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point.
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation.
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).
holy crap. This is the weakest, most "here's something I got but I'm TOTALLY NOT SURE SO DON'T TAKE IS SERIOUS PLS" post I've ever read
Lynch this guy pretty please
##vote Corazon
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On July 08 2014 03:08 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away.
Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point.
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation.
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).
Does this make me town? On a more serious note, I'm not going to say someone is 100% scum 5-6 hours into a game. That's just stupid. I refuse to tunnel someone when not all of the players have even posted.
the point is that you're talking about a bunch of things that might or might not be something. I disagree with pretty much everything but that's not the point here.
You yourself are taking back EVERYTHING you said in your own post like you're scared to commit to something.
*Here's a thing about toad I got but I am totally not sure about it... probably not a thing... don't mind me"
I get that you can't be sure right now, I'm not sure about everything I say either and in fact Robik made a fuzz about that as well but you're doing that not with a couple things but with every single thing you said in that post.
Why are you so afraid of how people perceive you that you aren't even ballsy enough to have a single straight forward line in your post that you DON'T take back in the next line?
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On July 08 2014 03:40 Forumite wrote:
I think I did this in an earlier game, stating that I have a townread on prplhz for the exact same reason. It ended up disrupting town discussion for most of D1. I should probably stop doing this. Anyway I know I'm shitty at reading anything prplhz does so to make it simple for myself I just won´t vote for him without a VERY good reason.
On Toades, I don´t know. It´s OMGUS for voting me and the opposite for (nearly) dropping the case a few hours later. Him pushing for me makes it hard for me to be objective about his play. Others seem to think it makes him slightly townie, whatever.
Koshi, I still think he´s scummy, even more than the usual OMGUS for pushing me. His case on me felt like he waited to hitch on to Toades case, adding his own complex reasonings to explain why scum would do what I did, basically WIFOM. He also accused me of calling Toades scum, which I´m fairly sure I never did. I´m leaving my vote on Koshi.
Toades, did you have any questions for me?
On July 08 2014 00:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote:
My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi What kind of reaction did you expect from me and why did you put this in there? 1) You tell me prplhz is like 99% confirmed town to you based on a metaread that I apparently either don't agree with or haven't picked up on yet 2) You state that you have a 99% confirmed town read on him and tell me about it 3) You are not able to or do not wish to explain said read on prplhz and thus leave it as it is So what's the point here? Do you actually want me to just go "oooh... right... I haven't got a read on you but if you say prplhz is 99% town without telling me why I'll just drop that and trust you"? If that's not the thing you want to achieve with that oneliner, why else mind putting it there? Doesn't seem like prplhz is getting all that much votes right now while at the same time Vivax apparently is going nuts about me. Why don't [didn't] you just outline this a bit more and actually try to convince me that I'm wrong on prplhz? If you're town it's certainly not in your best interest to have townies trying to lynch other townies and you SHOULD try to do something about it, don't you think?Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:51 Forumite wrote:On July 07 2014 23:38 prplhz wrote:On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote:
My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi don't really have any reads yet, a few tentative town reads is all. k, I don´t care about townreads unless we´re close to the lynch.On July 07 2014 23:37 IAmRobik wrote:
iamp, how do we feel about forumite's first post. Kinda resembles Koshi's with a tad more content. But the content smells bullshitty. I lean town nevertheless even though I'm not certain I agree with any of the conclusions at this moment What conclusions? My read on Koshi? My read on prplhz? My thoughts on lynching early or risk a rushed lynch or a no lynch? Do you enjoy the voting frenzy 5 minutes before deadline followed by yet another town lynch, because I don´t. On July 07 2014 23:36 Koshi wrote:On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote:
My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town.
prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads.
I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting.
Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die.
##Vote: Koshi The fact you say I am ruining the thread hurts me more than you voting me. I am the entertainment value here. Your empty posts fill the thread and make it harder to read the thread and see posts of real value. It´s spamming and anti-town, which makes you scum, so you have to die. ehehe
the green part is what I'd like to hear more about
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On July 08 2014 03:48 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:45 iamperfection wrote:On July 08 2014 03:33 Corazon wrote:On July 08 2014 03:25 iamperfection wrote:
Iamrobik is like the most active poster i dont think he is scum and should only reassess this if on day 6 when im long dead he is still around. worry about it then. Discussion on iamrobik being scum can stop. What the hell Iamp? The 4-5 posts in my filter have 30 times as much content and purpose as his entire filter. If all I did was post memes, one-liners, and rage posts whenever someone called me scum, would you REALLY count that as activity? i was just talking about that 1 post the part about toad bothers me the most as i think a townie would be more likely to post nothing at all instead saying in a long convoluted way that they don't know. Crying about other people shit posting doesn't really help your position. Do I even have a position? No one (besides Koshi) has commented on any of my reads so far. I'd love to have a position but you're not helping me out here There's Toad but he doesn't have an actual reason to vote for me so I don't really count him.
You were certainly backpaddeling a lot in that post. I never said you ACTUALLY went ahead and boldy claimed that you're taking back what you said, but your phrasing made it unconsciously so that it's happening. That is actually a very strong mafia trait. Mafia doesn't want to be held responsible for mislynches.
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On July 08 2014 03:57 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 03:48 Corazon wrote:On July 08 2014 03:45 iamperfection wrote:On July 08 2014 03:33 Corazon wrote:On July 08 2014 03:25 iamperfection wrote:
Iamrobik is like the most active poster i dont think he is scum and should only reassess this if on day 6 when im long dead he is still around. worry about it then. Discussion on iamrobik being scum can stop. What the hell Iamp? The 4-5 posts in my filter have 30 times as much content and purpose as his entire filter. If all I did was post memes, one-liners, and rage posts whenever someone called me scum, would you REALLY count that as activity? i was just talking about that 1 post the part about toad bothers me the most as i think a townie would be more likely to post nothing at all instead saying in a long convoluted way that they don't know. Crying about other people shit posting doesn't really help your position. Do I even have a position? No one (besides Koshi) has commented on any of my reads so far. I'd love to have a position but you're not helping me out here There's Toad but he doesn't have an actual reason to vote for me so I don't really count him. You were certainly backpaddeling a lot in that post. I never said you ACTUALLY went ahead and boldy claimed that you're taking back what you said, but your phrasing made it unconsciously so that it's happening. That is actually a very strong mafia trait. Mafia doesn't want to be held responsible for mislynches. Well why don't you wait under after a mislynch to use your argument against me? Your argument is certainly valid if (hypothetically) Robin were to flip town. You would go back, point that post out and call me out for being flippy-floppy. You can't say "this is really scummy because it gives you the opportunity to flip-flop" without me actually flip-flopping.
You're calling ME mafia in that post of yours as well and waffle about how it's just a weak one later on. I don't need a mislynch on me to know that I'd flip town if I were to be lynched...
But whatever there's no point in discussing this anymore. I think you've been waffeling way more than you should and you apparently don't think so. I'm not going to convince you because either you're town and actually think you haven't waffled or you're mafia and can't admit it so I'll refrain from talking about it unless it's with someone else to not shit up this thread.
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On July 08 2014 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
so let me get this straight forumite, you called prplhz town early on for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, made a horrible read on toad based on this complete fabrication (which you still stand by), and are supposedly doing so because you can't read prplhz and don't want to waste town's time.
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this pretty much. Add to that that if his point he's still standing tall on actually is comming from a townie and he actually think it's true for whatever reason he should be trying to get me off Prplhz, which he didn't try to do in the slightest. He just dropped a oneliner without an explanation.
I had some thoughts about this whole thing maybe being some kind of a trap from him along the lines of "herpaherp, was a trap for Toad and I wanted him to agree with me without actually explaining my point which would have shown that he's just a people-pleaser instead of trying to do something" or something like that but it's not even that. There literally was no reason to state that prplhz is town if he's not doing anything with that, like convincing me that I should rethink my own ready or trying to trap me into something (assuming he thinks I'm mafia, which doesn't seem to be the case either)
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On July 08 2014 04:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
so let me get this straight forumite, you called prplhz town early on for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, made a horrible read on toad based on this complete fabrication (which you still stand by), and are supposedly doing so because you can't read prplhz and don't want to waste town's time.
..................................................................................................................... ? where did you get the no reason at all part? didn't he post earlier that in all games where he got a slight scum read early on prp that prp ended up flipping town. as a result he has decided to flip his read? so when he get slight scum -> town, when gets town -> slight scum? i think he even posted about how he got the slight scum feels too when someone questioned it. you read the thread bro?
There's two ways to inrepret that sentence:
1) "why did you post it - for no reason"
2) "how did you get to that conclusion - for no reason"
The 2nd one would be a lie but considering that I aksed about the first one and forumite answered that very question I'm pretty sure that's what Yamato tried to say. Those are two completly different things.
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I don't like Kush, on a personal level. The guy called me bad and it's not Kurumi. Damn I could be posting so many delicious Kurumi .gifs if he was in this game...
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On July 08 2014 05:08 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 05:03 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 04:57 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2014 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
so let me get this straight forumite, you called prplhz town early on for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, made a horrible read on toad based on this complete fabrication (which you still stand by), and are supposedly doing so because you can't read prplhz and don't want to waste town's time.
..................................................................................................................... ? where did you get the no reason at all part? didn't he post earlier that in all games where he got a slight scum read early on prp that prp ended up flipping town. as a result he has decided to flip his read? so when he get slight scum -> town, when gets town -> slight scum? i think he even posted about how he got the slight scum feels too when someone questioned it. you read the thread bro? There's two ways to inrepret that sentence: 1) "why did you post it - for no reason" 2) "how did you get to that conclusion - for no reason" The 2nd one would be a lie but considering that I aksed about the first one and forumite answered that very question I'm pretty sure that's what Yamato tried to say. Those are two completly different things. 1) so you're saying that his lack of an agenda behind his post makes him mafia on d1? Yeah I am not really buying that. If you want to call people out for posting without an agenda or posting useless stuff, your list gonna be pretty long. I don't see how him not having an agenda by calling someone town and then giving a reason why (albeit a bad reason) when asked makes him mafia. 2) you sure are really trying to throw a lot of shade based on very little.
I say prplhz is mafia
Forumite turns to me and tells ME "Toad, stop voting the guy, he's totally town" without explaining or trying to make me change my mind.
He see's me trying to get a, supposedly, townie lynched and doesn't bother to do anything about it besides mentioning it.
How is the lack of agenda in that one not a problem for you?
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On July 08 2014 05:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 05:14 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 05:08 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2014 05:03 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 04:57 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2014 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
so let me get this straight forumite, you called prplhz town early on for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, made a horrible read on toad based on this complete fabrication (which you still stand by), and are supposedly doing so because you can't read prplhz and don't want to waste town's time.
..................................................................................................................... ? where did you get the no reason at all part? didn't he post earlier that in all games where he got a slight scum read early on prp that prp ended up flipping town. as a result he has decided to flip his read? so when he get slight scum -> town, when gets town -> slight scum? i think he even posted about how he got the slight scum feels too when someone questioned it. you read the thread bro? There's two ways to inrepret that sentence: 1) "why did you post it - for no reason" 2) "how did you get to that conclusion - for no reason" The 2nd one would be a lie but considering that I aksed about the first one and forumite answered that very question I'm pretty sure that's what Yamato tried to say. Those are two completly different things. 1) so you're saying that his lack of an agenda behind his post makes him mafia on d1? Yeah I am not really buying that. If you want to call people out for posting without an agenda or posting useless stuff, your list gonna be pretty long. I don't see how him not having an agenda by calling someone town and then giving a reason why (albeit a bad reason) when asked makes him mafia. 2) you sure are really trying to throw a lot of shade based on very little. I say prplhz is mafia Forumite turns to me and tells ME "Toad, stop voting the guy, he's totally town" without explaining or trying to make me change my mind. He see's me trying to get a, supposedly, townie lynched and doesn't bother to do anything about it besides mentioning it. How is the lack of agenda in that one not a problem for you? Yo, ego-centric much? Don't have to bold and capitalize me. So what do you think? He's mafia deflecting off of mafia or mafia deflecting off of town?
it's bolded because he adressed that post at me. He added that part into his post to make sure I read it, not so that the thread reads it but so that I read it. And he added that part for no reason because didn't try to make me do anything like change my vote or try to explain it to me. That just does not compute.
If you post some random crap directed at the entire thread, sure I'll be mad but whatever, could be anything. If you direct something at one person specifically you're putting some thought into it and you have a reason to do that, whatever that might be and he did not have a reason for that at all.
Idk. Honestly looks a lot more like mafia deflecting off of town but no point in talking or even thinking about that before he flips.
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On July 08 2014 07:18 prplhz wrote:
i've come to the conclusion that it's unlikely that forumite would make an early 99% read as scum and then provide such qustionable reasoning for it
so maybe sloosh is scum
##Vote slOosh
I like you for the first part because I agree. But I think there's enough that makes it more likely that that assertion just has to be us being wrong and he did slip in some kind of way.
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On July 08 2014 07:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 07:31 Koshi wrote:
Reading Alakaslam. geript and rayn can do it. It is possible. He just needs to try a bit sometimes. Somewhere I don't get why he doesn't visibly try more. Chezinu always tries to actually scumhunt. Somewhere. Dnu. I shall try to figure out Slam this game. He has basically said that whoever is 1 vote away from hammer, he's going to hammer him like in his last games. Which means he won't do anything except execute what the majority is thinking. Good luck reading him though, I will visit you in your cell while you wear the I-love-myself-jacket. Toad I don't like how you bitched about Cora's first post. I actually think it's pretty townie.
So? There's other people who said they like what I posted so far, including that "bitching"... think it was iamp. Is there a point in mentioning that you don't like it or is that just a random aside?
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On July 08 2014 07:41 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 07:35 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2014 07:31 Koshi wrote:
Reading Alakaslam. geript and rayn can do it. It is possible. He just needs to try a bit sometimes. Somewhere I don't get why he doesn't visibly try more. Chezinu always tries to actually scumhunt. Somewhere. Dnu. I shall try to figure out Slam this game. He has basically said that whoever is 1 vote away from hammer, he's going to hammer him like in his last games. Which means he won't do anything except execute what the majority is thinking. Good luck reading him though, I will visit you in your cell while you wear the I-love-myself-jacket. Toad I don't like how you bitched about Cora's first post. I actually think it's pretty townie. So? There's other people who said they like what I posted so far, including that "bitching"... think it was iamp. Is there a point in mentioning that you don't like it or is that just a random aside?
In fact I got lynched for doing exactly the same thing I told you he's doing. Pretty burtally hunted down by marv without being able to do anything about it once he spotted that.
I'd lynch him without a second thought right now.
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On July 08 2014 07:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 07:41 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 07:35 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2014 07:31 Koshi wrote:
Reading Alakaslam. geript and rayn can do it. It is possible. He just needs to try a bit sometimes. Somewhere I don't get why he doesn't visibly try more. Chezinu always tries to actually scumhunt. Somewhere. Dnu. I shall try to figure out Slam this game. He has basically said that whoever is 1 vote away from hammer, he's going to hammer him like in his last games. Which means he won't do anything except execute what the majority is thinking. Good luck reading him though, I will visit you in your cell while you wear the I-love-myself-jacket. Toad I don't like how you bitched about Cora's first post. I actually think it's pretty townie. So? There's other people who said they like what I posted so far, including that "bitching"... think it was iamp. Is there a point in mentioning that you don't like it or is that just a random aside? Your entrance on prp was shitty, your bitching about somebody cause he takes too many things into consideration at the same time is shitty. Prp scum cause he's sounding down and whatnot. Cora scum cause he doesn't sound sure enough of himself and puts caveats into his reads. This is shitty cause you use it in the reasoning to townread Forum: If you look at his post and think a bit about it you'll figure that chainsaw is what he thinks means calling out as scummy. When the real meaning is that you attack a guy who is attacking your scumbuddy. Just cause he used that word didn't mean that he meant the same thing you know as chainsawing. But despite suspecting him earlier, you immediately took it that way. Overall I find some of your reasoning weak for jumping on or off these guys.
fine, let's just ignore the fact that plenty of people have said they like most of my reasoning so far for a second and pretty much half the thread has me down as blatantly town right now.
What do you make of me having weak reasoning according to you? Is me being wrong indicative of me being mafia, or town or whatever else? What are you even trying to say here.
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On July 08 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 07:54 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 07:49 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2014 07:41 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 07:35 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2014 07:31 Koshi wrote:
Reading Alakaslam. geript and rayn can do it. It is possible. He just needs to try a bit sometimes. Somewhere I don't get why he doesn't visibly try more. Chezinu always tries to actually scumhunt. Somewhere. Dnu. I shall try to figure out Slam this game. He has basically said that whoever is 1 vote away from hammer, he's going to hammer him like in his last games. Which means he won't do anything except execute what the majority is thinking. Good luck reading him though, I will visit you in your cell while you wear the I-love-myself-jacket. Toad I don't like how you bitched about Cora's first post. I actually think it's pretty townie. So? There's other people who said they like what I posted so far, including that "bitching"... think it was iamp. Is there a point in mentioning that you don't like it or is that just a random aside? Your entrance on prp was shitty, your bitching about somebody cause he takes too many things into consideration at the same time is shitty. Prp scum cause he's sounding down and whatnot. Cora scum cause he doesn't sound sure enough of himself and puts caveats into his reads. This is shitty cause you use it in the reasoning to townread Forum: Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me If you look at his post and think a bit about it you'll figure that chainsaw is what he thinks means calling out as scummy. When the real meaning is that you attack a guy who is attacking your scumbuddy. Just cause he used that word didn't mean that he meant the same thing you know as chainsawing. But despite suspecting him earlier, you immediately took it that way. Overall I find some of your reasoning weak for jumping on or off these guys. fine, let's just ignore the fact that plenty of people have said they like most of my reasoning so far for a second and pretty much half the thread has me down as blatantly town right now. What do you make of me having weak reasoning according to you? Is me being wrong indicative of me being mafia, or town or whatever else? What are you even trying to say here. Meh, this posting is bad. I've used it as scum multiple times. "Hey you are wrong because everyone else is reading me as town" It seems you are getting pretty defensive for him finding flaws in your logic.
I'm not getting defense at all. I'm getting annoyed at the fact that he's not manning up and spitting out the beans.
Instead he just says there's flaws without adressing what those flaws are. So yes I'm bitching at in in that manner because I don't give a crap about what he thinks if he's not even adressing anything. Sure I could take the highroad and not bitch but I'm not that good of a person.
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On July 08 2014 08:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 07:54 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 07:49 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2014 07:41 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 07:35 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2014 07:31 Koshi wrote:
Reading Alakaslam. geript and rayn can do it. It is possible. He just needs to try a bit sometimes. Somewhere I don't get why he doesn't visibly try more. Chezinu always tries to actually scumhunt. Somewhere. Dnu. I shall try to figure out Slam this game. He has basically said that whoever is 1 vote away from hammer, he's going to hammer him like in his last games. Which means he won't do anything except execute what the majority is thinking. Good luck reading him though, I will visit you in your cell while you wear the I-love-myself-jacket. Toad I don't like how you bitched about Cora's first post. I actually think it's pretty townie. So? There's other people who said they like what I posted so far, including that "bitching"... think it was iamp. Is there a point in mentioning that you don't like it or is that just a random aside? Your entrance on prp was shitty, your bitching about somebody cause he takes too many things into consideration at the same time is shitty. Prp scum cause he's sounding down and whatnot. Cora scum cause he doesn't sound sure enough of himself and puts caveats into his reads. This is shitty cause you use it in the reasoning to townread Forum: Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me If you look at his post and think a bit about it you'll figure that chainsaw is what he thinks means calling out as scummy. When the real meaning is that you attack a guy who is attacking your scumbuddy. Just cause he used that word didn't mean that he meant the same thing you know as chainsawing. But despite suspecting him earlier, you immediately took it that way. Overall I find some of your reasoning weak for jumping on or off these guys. fine, let's just ignore the fact that plenty of people have said they like most of my reasoning so far for a second and pretty much half the thread has me down as blatantly town right now. What do you make of me having weak reasoning according to you? Is me being wrong indicative of me being mafia, or town or whatever else? What are you even trying to say here. If you're so sure of your own reasoning and reference other people believing you as a way to reinforce that notion, then you should also be quite sure that prpl is still scum for what he wrote there. But I don't feel like you have that feeling.
it made sense at that time given what we had. I don't think it makes sense anymore with everything else we've got now, so there's no point in talking about it from my point of view, is there?
I'm obviously pushing for Forumite right now and I said I'd lynch cora without a second of a thought if given the chance, even if I'd still want to go after prplhz, which I don't, I wouldn't do so right now because Forumite and cora are the better lynches.
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On July 08 2014 08:08 slOosh wrote:Are you saying that the basis are invalid or just not there? Cause these look like basis and I can see where he is coming from. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 07:49 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2014 07:41 Toadesstern wrote:On July 08 2014 07:35 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2014 07:31 Koshi wrote:
Reading Alakaslam. geript and rayn can do it. It is possible. He just needs to try a bit sometimes. Somewhere I don't get why he doesn't visibly try more. Chezinu always tries to actually scumhunt. Somewhere. Dnu. I shall try to figure out Slam this game. He has basically said that whoever is 1 vote away from hammer, he's going to hammer him like in his last games. Which means he won't do anything except execute what the majority is thinking. Good luck reading him though, I will visit you in your cell while you wear the I-love-myself-jacket. Toad I don't like how you bitched about Cora's first post. I actually think it's pretty townie. So? There's other people who said they like what I posted so far, including that "bitching"... think it was iamp. Is there a point in mentioning that you don't like it or is that just a random aside? Your entrance on prp was shitty, your bitching about somebody cause he takes too many things into consideration at the same time is shitty. Prp scum cause he's sounding down and whatnot. Cora scum cause he doesn't sound sure enough of himself and puts caveats into his reads. This is shitty cause you use it in the reasoning to townread Forum: Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me If you look at his post and think a bit about it you'll figure that chainsaw is what he thinks means calling out as scummy. When the real meaning is that you attack a guy who is attacking your scumbuddy. Just cause he used that word didn't mean that he meant the same thing you know as chainsawing. But despite suspecting him earlier, you immediately took it that way. Overall I find some of your reasoning weak for jumping on or off these guys.
1) he posted that AFTER I asked him. Why do we, me of all people if the guy is talking about me, have to get that out of him instead of him just outright posting it.
2) There's actually any explanation in there. He calls my entrace on prplhz shitty, that's it. That's not a basis for anything. Same with the rest although a little more volumesque. On top of that he doesn't even have to balls to say I'm mafia, he just calls me wrong in a very annoying manner...
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On July 08 2014 08:13 Vivax wrote:
You have to explain to me how Cora weighing in different aspects of somebody being town or scum makes him scum.
I do that all the time too.
It's like you're expecting him to lock a target, and only bring arguments of one kind (guilty or innocent).
That's not how you find mafia, that's how you get somebody lynched.
I would portray you as almost polar opposites cause while he's considerate about the reads he gives and shows some doubts, you're playing the "lock-on and post all scummy stuff you can find-game", but for one exception, Forumite (who you voiced doubts about), but for some reason you'd lynch him before prplhz while I have yet to see you voicing doubts about prplhz himself.
Do you realize where my beef lies?
like I said, my beef with Cora is that he did that with every single aspect. Mafias are more cautious about what they're posting and tend to try to be more people-pleaser than townies.
I don't mind people bringing multiple arguments into the table, heck I did the same with forumite not a long time ago. I do however mind it if the guy brings 10 arguments on the table and calls all 10 of his own arguments useless and weak in the same post. Not just some of them but literally every single one.
The guy is horribly afraid to put his head out in any kind of way.
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On July 08 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:
@Toades: what do you think of yamato77?
nothing that stood out for me either way as of yet.
I got some chills when he said he doesn't trust me because it felt a little buddy-buddy / trying to make fun with me but we do know each other so that's fine with me. As for real input... I can't even remember anything he's done except for that post when he quoted the list post which seemed a little weak. Completly null on him right now.
Other than that I think his/her figure looks pretty awesome if you ignore legs and knees:
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