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On July 11 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 16:03 HiroPro wrote:On July 11 2014 15:51 slOosh wrote:On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote:
Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this.
Do you:
a) fake-claim
b) ignore any questions as to why you lied
c) try to out some power roles
d) all of the above Explain. Koshi would have been a prime target for medics/protective roles last night. By claiming to track someone to Koshi, but not giving a name, you encourage anyone who did so to out themselves. If no one claims, no harm, you're already in deep shit anyway. This makes no sense. Why would a blue out themselves before BM claims anything?
Because people on TL love to claim for the slightest reason? You should know this by now.
Anyway your case on mderg seems pretty ticky-tacky. It's not all clear from what you quoted whether mderg was still expressing a mafia read on VE then or whether mderg was saying that Vivax had forgotten that mderg had expressed a previous mafia read on VE.
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To put it into terms you may better understand - for the same reason that layabout said stuff about there not being any notifications when he should have just kept his mouth shut. People think they're being helpful even when they're not.
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w/e. there's no point in me discussing this with you any further when he should be the one talking about himself. But I think you're seriously mistaken if you think that shows anything, especially when he's not a native english speaker.
Do you have any town explanation for BM's behavior?
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I'm asking you for them you moron. I'm doing you the courtesy of reading your posts and replying. The least you can do is reply to one question.
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On July 11 2014 23:54 Vivax wrote:Yes he does, he discusses BM with SlOosh. When SlOosh isn't convinced, he attacks his case on mderg for no reason I can think of except "well, this guy is opposing me". When SlOosh says his defense sucks, he tries to go back to discussing BM. I can't think of any other reason for Hiro starting to defend mderg at that single point when he could have done that much earlier, except for the reason that SlOosh was opposing him.
I'm not sure if you're willfully ignorant or just aren't paying any attention. Considering that the posts you quoted were only a page apart, I have no idea how you missed this. Furthermore in no way were my posts causing a "topic switch".
On July 11 2014 13:28 HiroPro wrote:Would someone like to explain this push on mderg beyond just the fact that he's been defensive today and didn't vote yesterday? Looking at his posts from day 1, he has clear opinions on people and he seems to be making an effort to understand the game. Most of them are townreads but he has his own reasons. Compare this guy's filter to Damdred's filter and I think the difference should be apparent. Show nested quote +After reading some of the discussion about forumite I don´t think he is scum. His reason for townreading prplhz is too incomprehensible to come from mafia. As mafia I would always try to find a reason others might agree with over something like this strange meta reason. Show nested quote +I think Toades´ line of thought was perfectly reasonable here. That he brings up these conflicting points and wants more thoughts on it seems pretty townie to me. Show nested quote +His post sounded a bit like my townplay when I was new to mafia. I can see why people see that as scummy but I don´t think it is. Confidence in your reads isn´t alignmment indicative to me. (above in reference to Corazon) Show nested quote +I have a hard time seeing anything that might help town in this post. You might as well have not posted anything at all. The list says almost nothing. There´s no reasons at all, so one can´t see your thought process behind the list. To me this looks like you want to appear like you have thoughts on many players without actually having to explain anything.
Saying that people just have to ask to get your proper reads also kinda supports my point. You can make up reasons for liking/ not liking someone relatively quickly, if you already know how you want to read them.
This makes you appear to be trying to figure out the game without having to do anything. (above in reference to ninjabunnies) Show nested quote +Damdred´s post seemed pretty average to me. Yes, not really scummy but nothing especially townie. Considering that you had him as scummy before this feels strange. Your reason for dropping the suspicion is basically that his reaction was calm and thoughtful. Show nested quote +I don´t like that forumite keeps his vote on koshi here. At that point koshi was already very townie, there´s no reason to believe that koshi is town. Maybe scum forumite would be scared of backing down because it might seem inconsistent? Not sure but that doesn´t really look like scumhunting.
Even if he is actually a tracker, BM still hasn't given even an iota of an explanation for why he claimed being roleblocked. It's downright awful that you guys are letting this pass and contemplating hammering mderg. Furthermore, prplhz's case on Damdred is still the best thing I've seen in this thread and I'm still up for lynching him.
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Let's play a game here everyone. There are two players who both have a lot of suspicion on them. The majority of players have expressed suspicion on these two and there have been only 1 or 2 players who have voiced any defenses of these suspects. Yet one of them is on the verge of being hammered and the other has had two votes on him all game long. Which of these do you think is more likely mafia?
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On July 12 2014 07:02 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 06:50 HiroPro wrote:
Let's play a game here everyone. There are two players who both have a lot of suspicion on them. The majority of players have expressed suspicion on these two and there have been only 1 or 2 players who have voiced any defenses of these suspects. Yet one of them is on the verge of being hammered and the other has had two votes on him all game long. Which of these do you think is more likely mafia? what did you make of forumite vs IamP yesterday? That's an argument that can be made both ways.
mm, it's definitely worth considering. however, it is less valid as forumite definitely did have more of a contingent willing to vote for him (at least 7 from what I see).
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do not hammer for the love of god. I realize that this lynch is a forgone conclusion but there's no reason to end the day now before we get answers from BM.
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I'm going to spell this out very simply. Damdred is literally posting only to survive. He doesn't give two shits about what is going on in this thread right now. He has not posted a single good post about anyone. He hasn't had a single mafia read that I can see other than mderg. Even that read appears highly convenient and came only came when the wagon was well underway (7th vote on), prime position for your average uninvolved mafia player. The post in which he votes is complete garbage:
On July 11 2014 23:28 Damdred wrote:
To me Exo showed that he was pretty town with the vote on obi and his flip doesn't make any sense for a mafia at that point to help a movement on such a good role when it could of really gained momentum at that point.
<b>##Vote: Mderg</b>
It has been over 24 hours since we've seen BM and his fake roleblock claim. Despite being in the thread on multiple occasions and seemingly caught up, he has said absolutely nothing about what he thinks on the situation. Letting him live at this point is a travesty. He should be kill priority #1 (yes even above BM).
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On July 13 2014 11:23 kushm4sta wrote:
hiropro, any response to my "too self conscious to be scum" defense?
you're going to need to explain more than that.
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No I'm not lynching anyone else today. You die.
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On July 13 2014 11:56 Damdred wrote:
Why are you so stuck on me that you refuse to get any information about anyone else? You are tunneling me right now, and it feels kinda scummy
You've given me absolutely no reason to think that you're town. You yourself admit that the case on you is good! So explain to me - why the hell would I try to lynch anyone other than you?
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On July 13 2014 13:26 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 05:32 Damdred wrote:On July 08 2014 05:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 08 2014 05:16 Damdred wrote:On July 08 2014 05:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:On July 08 2014 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On July 08 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People I like
Robik
Toad
Koshi
Kush
Iamperfection
Batsnacks
People I don't Like
Yamato
ExO
Damdred
People I don't necessarily care for but wouldn't lynch today
Vivax
VE
Layabout
Robik
Forumite
Cora
Drunk
Layabout
I'm caught up with the thread and will be commenting/asking questions from here on out.
Anybody in the Don't like list can be shot or lynched.
If you want reads for any of them ask me.
Also, if you want my opinion on a certain subject talked about in the last whatever pages, ask me.
Otherwise, I'm not commenting much on anything from before this post unless asked to.
Everything after this post is fair game.
Also, Turkey pot pies are the shizz. worst post all time srsly, why post these things when I'm trying to go to sleep Cause maybe you'll do something productive. Sleep is overrated On July 08 2014 05:06 Damdred wrote:On July 08 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People I like
Robik
Toad
Koshi
Kush
Iamperfection
Batsnacks
People I don't Like
Yamato
ExO
Damdred
People I don't necessarily care for but wouldn't lynch today
Vivax
VE
Layabout
Robik
Forumite
Cora
Drunk
Layabout
I'm caught up with the thread and will be commenting/asking questions from here on out.
Anybody in the Don't like list can be shot or lynched.
If you want reads for any of them ask me.
Also, if you want my opinion on a certain subject talked about in the last whatever pages, ask me.
Otherwise, I'm not commenting much on anything from before this post unless asked to.
Everything after this post is fair game.
Also, Turkey pot pies are the shizz. Oh Ho! Why don't you like me then? Actually i'm curious why you don't like us 3? On July 08 2014 03:30 Damdred wrote:On July 08 2014 03:08 Corazon wrote:On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote:
Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away.
Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point.
Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation.
Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people.
Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today).
Does this make me town? On a more serious note, I'm not going to say someone is 100% scum 5-6 hours into a game. That's just stupid. I refuse to tunnel someone when not all of the players have even posted. It doesn't necessarily make you town and it doesn't make you scum at this point. However your post screams hey guys i'm a townie look i'm being helpful, which is cool it just brings heat down on you and makes you look like you are trying to be seen as town. Toad seems to be playing semi-aggressive I don't know if that can be said he isn't scum hunting however at the moment anyway. Because of the above post. Idk. Seemed like a super weird thing to quote and enter the thread on. It's off to me. On July 08 2014 05:08 IAmRobik wrote:On July 08 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People I like
Robik
Toad
Koshi
Kush
Iamperfection
Batsnacks
People I don't Like
Yamato
ExO
Damdred
People I don't necessarily care for but wouldn't lynch today
Vivax
VE
Layabout
Robik
Forumite
Cora
Drunk
Layabout
I'm caught up with the thread and will be commenting/asking questions from here on out.
Anybody in the Don't like list can be shot or lynched.
If you want reads for any of them ask me.
Also, if you want my opinion on a certain subject talked about in the last whatever pages, ask me.
Otherwise, I'm not commenting much on anything from before this post unless asked to.
Everything after this post is fair game.
Also, Turkey pot pies are the shizz. Should I be honored to be in 2 lists or are you just making up reads and putting people in random spots. What don't you like about damdred? What do you like about Kush (who hasn't read his role pm, so you can't actually have a read on him)? What do you like about batsnacks? 1. You should be honored. Not making up reads. They each have a basis, and I'll be glad to expand on any of them. 2. See above. 3. Kush is in his IDGAF mode, and I like it. Atleast for day 1. If he keeps going into his idgaf mode, I'd kill him. 4. So my read on batsnacks is more of I always read him wrong, and I actually think he is scummy this game, so I'm flipping that read. Seriously, I've read him as mafia every game we have played together. I saw something interesting that I wanted to comment on, forgive me for not entering the thread with a hi everyone i got a lot of reading to do lol. I decided to participate with something that was interesting to me someone was giving a few reads and making themselves look like a townie. I don't think this is a good reason for you to dislike me. Okay, I suppose I get that. But what about it made it so much more interesting than the rest of the posts that were posted? I don't find really anything interesting in a post that is asking "OH hey guys let me highlight all the things that I think make me town, so let me ask you, does this certain post make me town?" And your response wasn't the best. So enlighten me. Sure, my post probably wasn't the best at that point and I was trying to enter the thread and trying to be helpful. So on that note I can see how I could be perceived scum or disliked someone who had been silent up until that point enters thread and tells someone that they are trying to hard to be town. Your right it was badly put and probably a bad post, but I do think that the post reads hey guys i'm a townie. Why was his post interesting to me instead of the other myriad of posts? Well he had just responded to someone who had said he was acting scummy and then he demonstrated how his post pointed more towards him being town. Can't help what I think is interesting and what I do not. Sometimes you have to grab onto something to engage with in the thread even if you don't come off the best. And I didn't call him scum or a town just gave my opinon on his post. posts like this. he's got more than one like this. it's a transparent discussion of his own motives. I think posts like this look town.
No I don't find that post townie. I honestly don't even understand how you think that post is a transparent discussion of his own motives. It literally doesn't say anything other than "I was trying to enter the thread". Like no shit damdred was trying to enter the thread.
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BM why did you claim to be roleblocked?
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On July 13 2014 14:42 yamato77 wrote:
let's kill ritoky
no. the mere fact that he didn't seem to understand the janitor role suggests he's town. and going after you when almost everyone thinks you're town and when you're fully capable of tearing him a new hole seems like an incredibly bad plan as mafia.
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wonderful. we now have 2 people banned from this thread! I fucking hate this game.
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probably because he spammed the newbie game with pictures of corpses.
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a kush shot on sinani doesn't make any sense. he's hardly even mentioned him. and he can't visit both layabout and sinani if he's a vigilante.
we lynch kush. he didn't look good even before this and not saying anything about whether he no-visited or not looks bad. if he flips town, we kill bm. as simple as that in my opinion.
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