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Toadesstern
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On July 14 2014 12:50 batsnacks wrote: But I am SO CURIOUS about the "other stuff." Why make us wait? nothing game related. I said I'm re-watching nyaruko-san right? It's quite commong to leave out stuff that is obvious in japanese phrases like the subjects or objects or whatever else really of a phrase so you're left with a lot less. | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:04 slOosh wrote: I dunno what you guys are talking about but I don't follow. Moving on, ritoky's approach to the BM / kush thing: I don't like it. Seems like a super convoluted approach to what I thought was very simple. Other people also had misgivings, but ritoky is like, waaaaayy off the mark on this one and talking about setup and 3rd parties out of nowhere. Agree / disagree? agree. I said the same when he posted it and told him it's as simple as "you either believe BM or you don't. There's probably KP missing on n1 but certainly not the other way around" | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:09 slOosh wrote: Guys are you like calling each other suspicious or what? I'm not following, and I don't wanna read more posts unless they have a point. not really, just casually chatting | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:16 slOosh wrote: Oh ... well ok ... I'm just gonna ignore it then I guess ... HaruRH and HiroPro also look poor for being absent for the discussion. Could honestly have been busy during the time and unable to post their thoughts on it, but looks bad. These cats need to step it up cause we gonna lynch one of them oooOOoOoOohhhHhHhH!!! Layabout is hellbent on getting me lynched and I claimed VT to make sure I'm not getting tracked by BM as I think it would have been a possibly check for him considering that I wanted him lynched if it interests you. | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:23 slOosh wrote: Uh yea back to this though, VE you can watch BM right? Then BM should track whoever he thinks is best. Since their roleblocker died, they can't freely shoot BM this way. Then depending on if mafia have poisoner or not, we might have a town protective role, so they can cover VE. I think chances of prplhz being poisoned on day 1 is meh though, as well as that would mean a lot of KP for mafia. This seems like a good idea. We already had that and don't forget Laya, he's pretty much confirmed as well because BM tracked kush roleblocking Laya in a game without roleblock notifications. On July 14 2014 13:24 batsnacks wrote: You threatened me Toad. Here: Why don't you stop leaving out other stuff you this is "obvious?" because not talking like this | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:31 slOosh wrote: Ehh I'm really fine with layabout since I felt like he was the only one who approached the BM kush issue in a good way. I can see his suspicion on you, and it is valid as you were quite reluctant which could be seen as a form of soft defense. Same goes for VE. I'll have to revisit that, but I could see town motivations for hesitations so yea. Could you give me your thoughts on how VE approached it? Saying something like "check me" is whatever. It's alignment null to me. Blue role could say it, scum could say it, VT could say it, it's like null. BM should do what he wants, he caught kush, so good on him and I'm sure he will make a good choice. his approach was the same I had, he thought BM scumslipped and thus wasn't sure wether BM is telling the truth or not. If anything I didn't like his claim out of nowhere because neither did it achieve anything nor was there any reason to claim for him. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On July 14 2014 13:43 slOosh wrote: Yea that claim seemed totally unnecessary. And stuff like this Makes me raise some eyebrows. EYEBROWS VE, BOTH OF THEM. Actually just one, to indicate suspicion, rather than two to indicate surprise. One eyebrow firmly raised. Hrmm ... medic consider protecting layabout / BM combo instead. Hmm ... read:+ Show Spoiler + On July 14 2014 09:49 Toadesstern wrote: nice one. Do we let VE watch BM to make sure he won't die and send our potential medics on layabout? The guy got roleblocked last night so he's town for sure as well. The other way around is a bit tricky because I'm no medic and I don't know if we have some to begin with, but VE claimed watcher. But mafia still has to be afraid to be shooting into laya because we might have some. On July 14 2014 10:09 Toadesstern wrote: that's why I said I want the watcher on you. If we have the watcher on you we get a 1v1 trade if they want to take it and I'm fine with that (sorry) because noone would be stupid enough to medicprotect you when we say we want a watcher on you and medics on other people like laya... The other way around we'd have the trouble of stacking watcher and any potential medics because we can't be sure we have a medic and VE might go "fuck it, I'll watch BM nontheless" Noone would be that stupid as a medic. Chances are always VE lied and isn't a watcher but we'd get him that way too with the RB already flipped. Watcher on BM, medics on everything else. We don't want them overlapping in the case of BM actually getting shot. | ||
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Toadesstern
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I actually thought Alakaslam was somewhat townish so I wouldn't mind leaving him alive. ExO has the benefit of being a ObiWan voter just like I was. Hiro is... underwhelming I really can't remember a thing he did this game but than again same can be said about forumite (literally someone out there, give me 1 (!) thing he did this game) and he's apparently a shining beacon of townieness because the people who pushed him are still alive... So yeah it's between ritoky batsnacks and damdred for me right now, leaning heavily on ritoky right now. | ||
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And even if, do you really want to lynch me (sooner than the other ones) because I thought BM scumslipped and thus wasn't sure about the whole thing despite people like ritoky, batsnacks and damdred still out there? When I was one of the few people who actually tried to get ObiWan, the 2shot-OP-VIG lynched on d1 and included him in my Battle Royale proposal? | ||
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I know I'm not mafia, I think Koshi is town and now with VE flipped town as well I'm pretty damn certain mafia was sitting back the whole game. | ||
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On July 15 2014 04:19 Damdred wrote: Toad some of what you said makes sense, the mafia we have found were involved in the mislynches however and helped push them that way and it would make sense for the others to spread out a little. However there are people who have flown more under than radar and put less towards the game than the three you named. However Rit does have a decent case against him, just like I have a decent case against me. Now there has to be something besides bat has flown under the radar, which I don't think hes really done btw especially compared to some. Yes and no: D1 was a push mostly from Koshi and later on from me. I know I'm town, I think Koshi is town D2 was a push mostly from Koshi if I remember correctly D3 was a push from layabout I don't think mafia had influence on who gets to be lynched and wether we lynched town or mafia was entirely depending on wether the townies who pushed the lynch of the day were right or incorrect. That's what I'm getting at. Wether mafia followed the mainwagon or spread out a little isn't something I wanted to evaluate with that statement at all. Both is possible and was most likely considered on a case by case basis: What fits the person's behavior? Would it make sense to join the mainwagon or was *the guy* saying that *insert mainwagon* was town all day long and thus can't just roll over and vote otherwise? That's mostly what I meant with playing under the radar. Yes it does involve the rare amount of lurking but it's mostly about wether or not someone had influence on any of the days for me because like I said, I really don't think mafia had anything to say on any given day so far. | ||
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On July 15 2014 05:11 Damdred wrote: Ok I understand what you mean their toad and i'd agree with you that what we've found so far. However back to the backsnacks question besides flying under the radar what else has he done to make you feel scum? Bat did actively fight for the lynch on kush yesterday so he doesn't quite fit into the category of not influencing. the kush lynch doesn't really matter all that much imo. As a mafia the moment you hear someone say they got a red check on one of your buddies you know it's true, you don't defend and you bus or pretend to be afk. You seldomly find a mafia doubting a check because the idea that someone is lying doesn't even cross their minds because of the knowledge they have. I don't remember him doing anything on d1 or d2 really and other people like ExO, who are equally scummy in that regard have the ObiWan thing going for them, something that's WAY less likely to be a bus simply because there was no check on him and it happened a little out of nowhere. | ||
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Anyways I'll put my vote on ritoky as well and let's hope BM descends down from the heavens to at least tell us wether he has something worth mentioning or not ##Vote: ritoky | ||
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unvote for now. BM get in here. ##unvote | ||
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On July 15 2014 07:39 slOosh wrote: Damdred what do you think about toad right now? Preferably before layabout talks. everyone knows layabout wants me lynched. He's been talking about it before BM was lynched all day long lol | ||
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On July 15 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote: I felt before last night that Toad played the day rather weird. His vote felt weird and out of place for how he played the game most of the time. Even after BM role claimed he pushed the vigilante to kill him before we even got information out of him Which is fine I guess, but getting any information out of someone is better than none. BM has been a bit frustrating but at that time everything besides the roleblock we were able to confirm and there were other blue roles that could keep an eye out on him. Even after BM survived, Toad still pushed him as scum and then slightly changed his tone with his vote but still tried to discredit BM in his following posts saying it was 50/50. While its true one or the other was mafia/town it would be extremely unwise for BM to pull that move as mafia. Hes pushing the town right now to focus on players he has deemed to fly under the radar and points out rit, myself and bat. I key'd on the bat part because I believe him to be town and he has helped and delivered insightful posts and it feels a bit off for toad to put him down here instead of exo_ who is much more under the radar at this point. And I still feel like he avoided the question that i posed him about what he thought was scummy about bat and just repeated what he said before basically. At this point toad feels a bit scummy to me, and while VE did try to watch toad he was apparently blocked night one as Koshi saw no movement, he could of been blocked night two as well. you do realize that the whole point of me was that he scumslipped and lied and thus I didn't believe his claim because I thought he scumslipped? Of course I don't give a crap about his claim... If you think someone scumslipped and literally goes aheand and is like "well, let's try again, I'm actually *insert something here*" would you believe him? And you're telling me it's weird how I was so deadset on someone I thought scumslipped and didn't listen to his claim which is literally the reason I said he scumslipped? | ||
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On July 15 2014 08:17 Damdred wrote: Then why would you even vote for kush at that point instead of pushing more on not believing BM? If you literally thought he would be scum why would you take part in a vote that could potentially kill a townie instead of on the person you think is scum! because we had someone claim a check and I can't ignore it. That's why I said if anyone else had said he checked that, kush would be a 100% certain lynch without a second of a though, with it being BM it's a 50/50 between both because both have something that would make me instalynch them in any other game. | ||
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