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IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 01 2014 13:48 GMT
#241
On July 01 2014 21:59 roundabound wrote:
Mm wasnt even a townread for me. Wtf are you talking about. I said hes probably town because the push on him was baseless. I also saod the only reason I didnt want to lynch him was because hes simba and he was a nice dude whose feelings I didnt want to hirt.

Phone posting sucks

Quoted for my filter. Didn't realize I was logged onto round from my phone

I have a lot to say about banks, and I'll do that at some time today, but I'll preface everything by saying that this is banks' mafia game. I omgus'd him because he should know better than to lynch me d1. He's misportraying what I said, and you guys don't know him as well as I do, but much of what he is saying is 100% not in his town range.

1) he would have been pushing to get a lynch yesterday.
2) I stated very clearly who I'd lynch yesterday (him and CR).
3) I only stated that I wouldn't lynch MM because of what I said above. Him claiming otherwise is a lie

AND

4) What he is doing by telling the cop to check me is 100% a role fish. Banks is fucking mafia.

That's kinda the gist of what I wanted to say. I don't know if I"ll go in depth about it, but I will analyze d1 sometime soon.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 01 2014 14:08 GMT
#242
Well this sucks, I should not have hammered. Curse of Alakaslam is at work.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 01 2014 14:12 GMT
#243
Yes you should have. No lynching is infinitely worse than lynching, even if he is town
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 01 2014 15:41 GMT
#244
This guy is definitely town:

On June 28 2014 17:42 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm town.


Useless post looking like participating (might be confirmation bias):

On June 28 2014 18:20 Chairman Ray wrote:
In this format, does the day instantly end once a majority vote has been established?


I don't get particularly good vibes from this post. The confirmed part feels out of place. Also, why "claiming town" instead of "i'm town":

On June 28 2014 21:42 sinani206 wrote:
confirmed, claiming town


ET, please explain your use of the winky-face emoticon here. It doesn't work and feels forced:

On June 29 2014 01:03 EchelonTee wrote:
hallo

instant majority is pretty uncommon here, not going to find many who have played it much. I think you should think for yourself rather than parrot others Alakaslam


SnB's first and third post are useless and scummy. His second post is interesting to look at though. I don't know if it's RVS or just voting someone for really really poor reasoning:

On June 29 2014 03:41 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 03:36 Snickers wrote:
Yooooooooooooooo so far so good only one weird/annoying post.


says there's a weird post doesn't say what it is
##vote: snickers


Sarcasm is a mafia trait in my experience...but it's not just the sarcasm, it's the rapid change in tone the very next line:

On June 29 2014 04:12 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 02:22 IAmRobik wrote:
(I'm trying to draw a nk from mafia, thinking that I'm a PR when I'm actually just VT)

sick plan bro. let's tell everyone so it doesn't work

or will it? WIFOM FTW

what is the point of saying this? -.-


I just finished the first two pages and snickers looks like fucking shit. His posts are terrible and useless and they all sound forced and convoluted. I can post more examples than the ones i've already posted if needed. He very abruptly changes his tone in every post -- from sarcastic to serious. When I was pre-planning posts as mafia in Order, I would oftentimes find myself doing the same thing.


Echelon Tree actually seems engaged and asking questions to help himself solve the game. I'm willing to give him a pass so far (will do pages 4-5 and beyond when I can)
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 01 2014 15:53 GMT
#245
Pg 4:

Is Snickers a smurf? How does he know this? I had BH as a coach for me before and he never gave me this advice.....
I read this post and have 0 feelings about it. It says nothing with a lot of words. It's active without being active. He also does that mafia thing (which ritoky is so keen to point out usually) or just responding to peoples' questions line for line, question after question as if it's a homework assignment.

On June 29 2014 08:24 Snickers wrote:
I think the bh scum advice is to make jokes about a topic when someone call you scum. He is not being cryptic it is more of a "let me be overly complicated with my posts because I like to look awesome!". Its annoying just because its so forced and it is also annoying because it is scummy in a way but not so scummy people actually vote for them. So they just cause unneeded confusion all game. Personally I think it should count as playing against your win condition when your town. Being confusing to look cool is just a hassle.

Also ET I do not see how it is excessively negative, I could maybe see negative. I was joking first off. Yes there will be bad players in this game (my second game, first has not even ended but I am dead). If you could not see the only weird post above mine and I had to point it out for you...... hopefully this is your first game.... but wait that would be breaking the rules unless you talked to bh.... oh wait how many people actually read the rules...

As far as IML its instant majority lynch that means that if somebody else hoped into this thread and voted for me, then both mafia players voted for me, it would then probably be 5 town vs 2 mafia. It is also bad because we want to wait as close to 72 hours as possible before lynch.

I do no think its in vogue. But why are you not complaining about slam being constructive? He does not explain a term but I have to quote..... already we are divided.


There's nothing particularly towny about this post, but the tone of it reads so fucking genuine that I'd be surprised if a mafia cared so much and so strongly about someone bashing townies:
I
On June 29 2014 13:36 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 08:24 Snickers wrote:
Also ET I do not see how it is excessively negative, I could maybe see negative. I was joking first off. Yes there will be bad players in this game (my second game, first has not even ended but I am dead). If you could not see the only weird post above mine and I had to point it out for you...... hopefully this is your first game.... but wait that would be breaking the rules unless you talked to bh.... oh wait how many people actually read the rules...
If you were joking then w.e, I just think it is excessively negative to tell someone to let themself be modkilled if they don't see the thread in the exact same way that you do. Calling everyone bad who doesn't see eye to eye with you is both 1. not conducive to good town environment 2. douchey. but since you were joking, w.e. There are people who aren't joking when they say things like "god you are so fn terrible town would be better if you suicided", etc.

Simply put, I don't like how people often bash town, and in a game like this we are in the best position to subvert that to town advantage. I'm not trying to exclusively single you out, but it is a common thread in most mafia games. Yeah, in most games there are often townie lurkers. Yeah there are often townies who don't explain themself at all. But unlike 30man games where those kinds of things are nearly unavoidable, this is a 9 man game. There aren't many places for scum to hide. So, if we foster an environment where people feel at ease talking discussing sharing reads, it puts a lot more pressure on scum to act, perform.

Show nested quote +
I do no think its in vogue. But why are you not complaining about slam being constructive? He does not explain a term but I have to quote..... already we are divided.
Are you sure, I am not complaining about slam? pls read thread bettr lul


Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 01 2014 16:41 GMT
#246
He was talking to me. I was saying BH told me to insult ppl as scum

So I done refused and lost. But I had said snickers was playing to that end
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 01 2014 16:51 GMT
#247
Is it host WIFOM to talk about coaching the host gave me times ago?

No
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 01 2014 16:55 GMT
#248
Slam, you better start producing and not dilly dallying around.

I'm gonna do my pg 5 stuff now
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 01 2014 17:01 GMT
#249
Well

Here is what I think.

I will be up for lynch because it is easy or possibly scum will save me for lylo like order 66

Well

Think about that WIFOM for a while I guess

Now I still think snickers could be scum, but, mm1 being town made me have pause
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 01 2014 17:05 GMT
#250
On July 01 2014 10:28 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 10:27 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 01 2014 10:26 IAmRobik wrote:
Oh and banks, I like MM, so if I were to enjoy playing mafia (which let's be honest, you and andy are the only people who do that), I wouldn't mind being with him. I think he played well when he played Video with us.


Being mafia is amazing Pope, fish slam, and Daniel like it too. You should just get better at mafia then you might like it more

Well, I'll practice next time I'm rolled mafia.

I am fish slam
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
July 01 2014 17:16 GMT
#251
Notice how I said "I think" people really miss some big things.

I like pointing things out. I guess you think it is useless. I see multiple good things in that paragraph. Even if that paragraph is useless, you are responding to it. It is creating more talk.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 01 2014 17:17 GMT
#252
Snickers and Slam not maf together:

On June 30 2014 05:19 Alakaslam wrote:
Now defense thyself. Why is your list post not bs and evidence that you are scum with snicker?


On June 30 2014 05:31 Snickers wrote:
Slam stop throwing votes left and right. If u think someone is scum just bold it in this thread. Votes matter at all times, more than just letting people know who you want to lynch in x hours.

Also HMMMMM I wonder why he did not explain his reads. Maybe because when somebody goes into detail, people bitch about the length of it. (this happens across multiple games) Why do you not ask him about why he thinks x is scum or why y is town rather than telling him to explain why he is not scum because what he did is considering scummy by you. Asking him to go into detail about his reads will give more info than.... prove that you are not scum.

And I made a mistake. Thought kush was in this game.


Also the above post from snickers has more tonality changes from serious to sarcastic to serious
I'm reminded as well that SnB is also not mafia with snickers if snickers is maf



This is a really weird/soft push of snickers. Can possibly see them as scum buddies (prolly more confirmation bias):
On June 30 2014 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 06:48 EchelonTee wrote:
Chairman, I'm curious what you think about MysteryMeat (MM)'s list. Specifically his town read on you


Similar impressions as me. He didn't include Snickers, who is the most active player so far. I would personally slot Snickers under slightly scummy just because he's taking some little things a bit too serious.



This post is kinda towny from snickers, but I don't know why:

On June 30 2014 11:00 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 30 2014 06:48 EchelonTee wrote:
Chairman, I'm curious what you think about MysteryMeat (MM)'s list. Specifically his town read on you


Similar impressions as me. He didn't include Snickers, who is the most active player so far. I would personally slot Snickers under slightly scummy just because he's taking some little things a bit too serious.


I think you should be more concerned with that he kept me off his list. It seems like you were but then you got distracted.

Meh look at my meta, I am the most misunderstood mafia player on tl after Bh. I do not go crazy like some people (2 people in this game want to mislead), My "seriousness" is that I am playing to keep stuff organized and clear.

Someone wanted to know my read on Slam.

Slam-bad town (throwing quick votes around and Some post above this one was weird)
StrongNBig-bad town (Throwing quick votes around and only having one post to look at)
Et-bad town (already is super confused with my posts so he hinks he is right and I am wrong)

Do not get offended if you are on that list. I have a small sample size of posts. This is also why I do not read anyone as scum yet. Way too few posts and usually you need to link posts to prior posts.




After finishing page 5, I have mixed feelings on Snickers. Some of the stuff he's doing is highly scummy, but posts like the above, and then again this one, make me lean town on him:

On June 30 2014 11:30 Snickers wrote:
When I say "bad town" I mean that this person does not think clearly. He is trying his best, but is just bad at the game. Usually you cannot convince them to vote with you, when you think someone is almost 100% mafia so you have to trick them into voting with you. So like my last game, I tried to trick the town players into voting a person I thought was scum by using "rules" that they highly respected.(I was town) But the mafia played them hard.


I mean, it's possible that he could say this as mafia...it's actually a line that I take quite often "EVERYONE IS SO FUCKING BAD JUST LISTEN TO ME YOU FUCKING SCRUBS," but I guess I also take it as town. I think I use it more often as mafia? I dunno. But like. He sounds so damn genuine in what he's saying. It comes down to if he really believes he's better than the rest of us (LOL if he does)
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 01 2014 17:20 GMT
#253
On July 02 2014 02:16 Snickers wrote:
Notice how I said "I think" people really miss some big things.

I like pointing things out. I guess you think it is useless. I see multiple good things in that paragraph. Even if that paragraph is useless, you are responding to it. It is creating more talk.

You can't say "my post wasn't pointless because people are bringing it up 10 pages later." Your post was pointless because it didn't fucking say anything.

Did you ever explain your read on the end of page 5 where you said "someone already did something weird and possibly scummy and i'll bring it up tomorrow?" Was that in reference to the post you quoted of me saying that I'm trying to draw a nk?
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
July 01 2014 17:22 GMT
#254
Shit Iamrobik be careful with what you are writing. Everyone already went batshit crazy on me. I never called everyone bad or labeled everyone as bad. I guess that is why you took the "I think" wrongly. I choose words carefully.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
July 01 2014 17:24 GMT
#255
On July 02 2014 02:20 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 02:16 Snickers wrote:
Notice how I said "I think" people really miss some big things.

I like pointing things out. I guess you think it is useless. I see multiple good things in that paragraph. Even if that paragraph is useless, you are responding to it. It is creating more talk.

You can't say "my post wasn't pointless because people are bringing it up 10 pages later." Your post was pointless because it didn't fucking say anything.

Did you ever explain your read on the end of page 5 where you said "someone already did something weird and possibly scummy and i'll bring it up tomorrow?" Was that in reference to the post you quoted of me saying that I'm trying to draw a nk?


Yes it was ET. What happened was he did something that I could find no motive for it. He said it was because the two players played mafia before or something.(I do not understand how people who have played this game longer do not see these things) And yea If a post is making people talk it has a point. Especially early game. But still you really cannot see the points in that post. I do not have in it in front of me but paragraph three was were I showing what the voting does here versus regular.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 01 2014 17:25 GMT
#256
IDGAF about people going batshit crazy on me for calling them bad. Everyone knows that I think I'm the best player around and that I'm a BM fucking asshole. So if anyone cries about it, I'll just laugh in their face
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
July 01 2014 17:29 GMT
#257
Damn why is that people never understand my posts. No I meant do not even suggest that I think I am better than everyone else. I do not want batshit on my face.

Anyway your posts look weird to me initially, I do not have time to read them in depth.

You seem too wishy washy.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
July 01 2014 17:29 GMT
#258
Your confusing multiple posts.

Summarizing your post:

Paragraph 1: Explanation of BH scum advice and that you think it's annoying
Paragraph 2: Explanation of how ET shouldn't find your post excessively negative
Paragraph 3: Discussion of IML and how people shouldn't vote cause mafia can late-vote to hammer if it gets close
Paragraph 4: More talk about how being BM is trendy

Please tell me how that post is useful AT ALL.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 01 2014 17:38 GMT
#259
I see it now

Snickers the way of CHUPAZI is not far from thee

Why shouldst thou run? Simply accept

Lean into the insanity, and let the WIFOM fly. Make thyself a shroud, and be not butthijole by anything

For to be misunderstood accidentally is hell

To be purposefully misunderstood is glee
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
July 01 2014 17:43 GMT
#260
On July 02 2014 02:29 IAmRobik wrote:
Your confusing multiple posts.

Summarizing your post:

Paragraph 1: Explanation of BH scum advice and that you think it's annoying
Paragraph 2: Explanation of how ET shouldn't find your post excessively negative
Paragraph 3: Discussion of IML and how people shouldn't vote cause mafia can late-vote to hammer if it gets close
Paragraph 4: More talk about how being BM is trendy

Please tell me how that post is useful AT ALL.


I am not showing you anything until you read the post clearly.

Paragraph 1. I had no fucking clue what the "bh scum advice" was so you are off.
Paragraph 2. Ok at least you understand this one a bit. I also talked about my experience and also commented how people do not read the rules. What do you mean by not useful? Not pushing somebody? This was early in the game posts like this generate discussion.
Paragraph 3. I talked about Iml but never about that second part.
Paragraph 4. I said bm is not trendy.

So multiple times you messed up reading a simple post that I tried to write clearly. Now I know why you are so wishy washy on me. You do not even understand me.
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