World Cup Mini Mafia

On June 27 2014 17:27 Koshi wrote:

Who is this Alfred guy? Are you losing your mind Detective Vivax? It's me constable Koshi. It's ok, don't worry, use all your remaining brain cells to focus on catching the bad guys.

Robik is Robik. We lynch him if he doesn't perform. I am going to ignore his early game and see if he keeps it up in the later stages. I am reading his posts to see if anything really good is in it though. There hasn't been.

mderg dnu. He is pretty lurk always. I think meta will have to be used later the day. I would encourage Mderg to post more. Less than 1 page are extra mafia points.

Kush derped early game in normal ass mafia. Really thought he was scum there. But he wasn't. We shall have to watch him. Closely.

On June 27 2014 19:10 Koshi wrote:

Because they are true. You had many questions and as he pointed out you didn't have as much opinions.

Is it scummy? Possibly. I don't like how you went all angry and stuff. Just accept the case and move on. It wasn't a bad case. You should have told him off and went on hunting them scummers. At least I would have liked you to do that.

Is Palmar scummy? Not to me for this case, not at all. Only if he focussed you out while somebody else was doing the same thing. But even then. Palmar not scummy.

On June 27 2014 18:28 Koshi wrote:
WoW. I bring Vivax a cold glass of water and instead of being all cool and smart he is angry and ignores me.


Vivax. It doesn't matter what this evul Plammer is saying to you. We can find the mafia. Ignore the Plammer. He is bad. Or he is mafia. Right? RIGHT?

On June 27 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote:

I am not scum. I wouldn't lie to you Detective Vivax.

I am seeing this case on you, it's not bad, not bad at all. Is he a wannebe Vivax or an evul minion of Moriarty?

On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
Koshi is weird.





Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then



condescends his way out of a push on him. nope.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi

On June 27 2014 23:43 Koshi wrote:
Rainbows, is it that you don't like my playstyle atm, or is it that you actually think I would play a completely mad style as scum?

On June 27 2014 23:46 Koshi wrote:

Do you want me to explain things or are we cool for the moment?

On June 27 2014 23:52 Koshi wrote:

1) I buddy Vivax regardless of his alignment. I don't care if he is scum.
2) The case from Palmar is pretty ok. I was asking Vivax if Palmar was scum or bad. That's why I ended with "right? RIGHT?"


My read on Vivax atm? Dnu bro. Dnu. I do know this isn't going to be a Vivax + Koshi show.

On June 27 2014 23:53 Palmar wrote:
With your main point gone, Rainbows, how much of your case still stands?

On June 28 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:

Possibly, but are you then saying the main point of your case wasn't important to the case at all, and showing it as invalid has no effect on your conclusion?

On June 28 2014 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Rainbows frankly I don't think you can nail Koshi with the buddying argument cause we were kinda hoping to not roll opposite alignments this game.
I buddied him back even when being suspicious of him so you can't only apply that argument to him but also to me. Just consider it something that would have happened in some way regardless of our alignments.

You already mentioned the post where he talks about kush, robik and somebody else I think and imho that is more concerning about Koshi who I remember as more tryhard as town.

He's usually quick to recognize me as scum if I deviate from my town standard so during the whole Palmar vs. Me thingy I would have expected him to either acknowledge Palmar's arguments as bad or at least try harder to figure me out instead of trying to get me to talk about other things and staying on the sidelines.

It's a bit of a subjective feel read, but if you compare his filter with this game you will notice that he also starts with a jokey phase but becomes curious about the stuff that's going on rather quickly.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?user=Koshi&view=all

Tbh I would like to have more stuff going on about Palmar and his new read on Koshi. Will he deliver such a case as he did on me?

On June 28 2014 00:14 Vivax wrote:
Rainbows do you think Palmar is asking the right questions for somebody who just voted the same guy you find scummy?

On June 28 2014 00:20 Vivax wrote:
Well, whatever, you're bleeding town and to me those questions just looked like a waste of time.



This just feels like he wants to force you into losing the drive behind your koshi read, and yet we don't know a thing about why he read him as scum.

On June 28 2014 00:28 Koshi wrote:

It's a good case for the page we were in. Also it would initiate some discussion and discussion is always good. First case in the game as well.
All these things point to town Palmar.

I was surprised by Vivax his pretty strong reply to Palmar. But maybe Vivax is not in a chill mood and a bit antsy and wants to argue a bit or maybe he is really totally annoyed by the evul Plammer case.

I am pretty townzies on Palmar.
The part Vivax just wrote about me not recognizing the badness in the evul Plammer case is pretty townie btw. Because I truly am the Vivax wisperer. I nailed him in his last 2 scumgames against me. But it has nothing to do with these kinda things.

Dont worry rainbowsie, you will be able to read me town before lynch ifnyou try.

On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
Koshi is weird.





Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then



condescends his way out of a push on him. nope.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi

On June 28 2014 00:09 HaruRH wrote:


Because I just woke up, read through the thread and saw that hilarious post by koshi. When you asked me for a read/lynch, I reread the thread a few times and I picked up on koshi.

On June 28 2014 00:46 IAmRobik wrote:

I think rainbows is town for the bolded

I think that he'd be more careful not to get modkilled if he was mafia and would make sure he wouldn't even come close to referencing ongoing games again after the mod warning

On June 28 2014 00:44 Cavalinho wrote:
Koshi having shitreads is not alignment indicative.

Tried to lynch him for it before, didn't work.

I want to lynch between Vivax and Palmar.

On June 28 2014 01:13 HaruRH wrote:


<3 rainbows

I do not normally do reads on d1 unless someone ultimately scummy pops out.

On June 28 2014 01:16 HaruRH wrote:


What is the thread sentiment? I no get it.
So are you pressuring me now or are you voting me because you don't like a koshi lynch?

On June 28 2014 01:26 IAmRobik wrote:

I'm not asking you or anyone else to read my. I know my alignment (mafia). I'm trying to figure out the alignment of everyone else in this game (or at least try to figure out if they're a PR or just VT). So I want people to respond to my reads posts and tell me whether they agree or disagree with them and why. Having them ignored just pisses me off

On June 28 2014 11:18 kushm4sta wrote:
haru and cav look like good lynches.

cav talking in the order mafia postgaame but this this thread. that is a bad sign.

On June 28 2014 11:24 Cavalinho wrote:
Blegh I forgot, hang on I'm filter diving them now.

On June 28 2014 12:13 Tehpoofter wrote:


I think if sinani hadn't basically outed I'd be voting vivax for the way he wanted to keep pushing palmer even after Koshi tried to get him to move past it.

On June 28 2014 03:43 mderg wrote:
Did anyone really think Robik actually scumslipped? The supposed slips were so obvious (how they were in brackets and such). It makes one wonder why sinani and Rainbow disappeared after that.

So Robik is probably town. Like no sane scum would do that.

On June 28 2014 19:44 mderg wrote:

I´ve always hated this question

Probably Cav but I wouldn´t want him lynched today.
Maybe haru because his play seems different from the only? game I´ve played with him. In Detention mafia his posts seemed more analytical. It would be more of a shot in the dark, though.

I also don´t like Robik that much anymore since he made this trap which is actually more likely to make townies look bad than scum.

On June 29 2014 03:27 ObviousOne wrote:
IDK I just felt like shitting in your general direction before people started giving you blowjobs publicly

On June 29 2014 03:33 Cavalinho wrote:
Koshi, I still don't understand what you're talking about. I think sinani is scum and I think Robik actually has a decent case on him. I would much rather lynch sinani today over everyone else and I don't know why you keep saying that I'm "dropping" it with Kush when I haven't even been around in the thread to interact with him.

On June 29 2014 03:41 ObviousOne wrote:
I just need to say something. As with most of the times I've played, My mood is the most crazy thing about me. There's also always the challenge of being scrutinized by people who would rather just fling accusations instead of interrogate, which just pisses me off rightly. However, this game, it's a bit of both. Everyone who is calling me scum is doing it without an interrogation, which when I started this game I promised myself I was going to try to play that way. Doesn't look like that's going to work out this game, even with the small number of players, because 40 posts a day of content like that is just not possible for me without seriously cutting into my terraria time. Other than interrogation, my preferred method is just to be left alone to make observations and put them in the thread. Can't do that if you're just going to call me mafia without that conversation, so I just get pissed again. There's one thing you can do right now and it's this: Offer me questions about other people or stop calling me mafia. Really, that's it.

Capiche?

On June 29 2014 03:46 ObviousOne wrote:

If you don't see how I can interpret the quoted post as a chainsaw defense (attack vivax's detractor and defend vivax after) then IDK maybe I misunderstand the term or how it's supposed to be used. So you're saying, along with everyone else, that I'm incorrect in that it's formulated as a chainsaw? Then okay, thanks for the correction.

On June 29 2014 03:53 Rainbows wrote:


Im just townreading vivax and scumreading palmar. If I were chainsawing, id be discrediting palmar and calling him scum because of his actions torward vivax. Say palmar is attacking vivax about inactivity. chainsaw defense would be "wow palmar you are one to talk, so inactive scum"

On June 29 2014 05:20 HaruRH wrote:


When somebody actually scum slipped? You go for the easy lynch over the obvious lynch?

On June 29 2014 06:29 ExO_ wrote:
I keep up with the thread, in particular the voting. I don't really have a good reason on anybody, but between sinani and cav, I'd choose cav, and did. Perhaps itll come back to bite me and will hurt town :/

Oh well I'm imperfect. I'm just plan old Argentina, a Vanilla town. Lynch me tomorrow if you wish.

On June 29 2014 04:07 ObviousOne wrote:

I was pretty pissed because his read was horseshit but after time has passed I saw how 1) he didn't keep pushing me when he could have since I wasn't in the thread for like half of the day 2) agree with his scum read on cav 3) cav keeps doing the thing I associate with mafia / guilt for not being in the thread by excusing himself for future participation instead of just going with it like nothing is wrong with the fact that he can't be around 4) back to koshi, im happy he stopped with the derpy play that haunts my memory from many games ago or at least doesn't keep it up forever ["my minions" whatever game that was pissed me off i was sure he was mafia there and that kind of stays with me]

On June 29 2014 04:25 ObviousOne wrote:
actually don't i think both of you are town that would be stupid for me to encourage plz no fighterino

On June 29 2014 06:12 ObviousOne wrote:
So if there's a vigi, please shoot Koshi.

On June 29 2014 05:41 mderg wrote:
With Cav´s claim there´s no way we should lynch him now.
I also don´t want to lynch sinani because I don´t think scum would actually react to the Robik fakeslip like he did. Still a better lynch than cav but I would rather lynch haru right now.

On June 28 2014 19:44 mderg wrote:

I´ve always hated this question

Probably Cav but I wouldn´t want him lynched today.
Maybe haru because his play seems different from the only? game I´ve played with him. In Detention mafia his posts seemed more analytical. It would be more of a shot in the dark, though.

I also don´t like Robik that much anymore since he made this trap which is actually more likely to make townies look bad than scum.

On June 29 2014 22:51 ExO_ wrote:
Great analysis rainbows, you sure got me figured out. Clearly I was being very anti town when I...which part was anti-town exactly?

It's like a giant post of crap trying to disguise itself as analysis. You sure have a lot of scum reads for a game with only 3 scum in it

On June 30 2014 08:59 Cavalinho wrote:


Possibly. His play isn't entirely congruent, so there could be something here.

We aren't lynching Robik today though. The people on the sinani wagon should be like confirmed town to you right now. Focus on the people on my wagon.

On June 30 2014 09:01 Rainbows wrote:


Why?

On June 30 2014 09:13 Cavalinho wrote:


lol.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Haru wasn't on my lynch because he was actually paying attention and being rational.

If kush is actually the vig then holy shit what is he doing.

That leaves Vivax, OO, and...you. So let's start:

Why did you vote me?

On June 30 2014 09:14 ExO_ wrote:


Good God, in one hand you claim self preservation, in the other you claim I'm trying to get myself lynched. Which is it?

I'm just a Vanilla townie, if I honestly seem like I have a mafia role to the majority of the town, then I think there's little hope for this game.

On June 30 2014 09:20 ExO_ wrote:


I honestly couldn't give a flying fuck about helping you. You're too focused on minutia.

On June 30 2014 09:21 ExO_ wrote:


S A R C A S M

sometimes you gotta think about it to understand it

On June 30 2014 09:22 Cavalinho wrote:


See, this is the issue I have. What's wrong with my cop claim? Am I supposed to retroactively go back and make it better somehow? I gave you my role pm, this should be a non-issue for you.

And I said I liked their filters. Twice. I even went back and clarified it. Base your reads on things that are actually happening, thanks.

On June 30 2014 09:28 ExO_ wrote:


Unless you think I'm mafia, you're nitpicking non-stop about the silly things. So far your case against me is based on almost nothing. So you wanna talk about playing the game? Perhaps you should start with yourself, and stop worrying about every little thing I say.

On June 28 2014 03:43 mderg wrote:
Did anyone really think Robik actually scumslipped? The supposed slips were so obvious (how they were in brackets and such). It makes one wonder why sinani and Rainbow disappeared after that.

So Robik is probably town. Like no sane scum would do that.

On June 28 2014 03:52 mderg wrote:
I don´t think any town would have put a serious vote on you and he seemed to be serious and even disappeared after that. That looks really scummy.

On June 28 2014 19:44 mderg wrote:

I´ve always hated this question

Probably Cav but I wouldn´t want him lynched today.
Maybe haru because his play seems different from the only? game I´ve played with him. In Detention mafia his posts seemed more analytical. It would be more of a shot in the dark, though.

I also don´t like Robik that much anymore since he made this trap which is actually more likely to make townies look bad than scum.

On June 30 2014 09:51 Cavalinho wrote:


Why is it that you think I want Vivax specifically? I've been saying almost all game that I thought he was towny.

Why is there no mention of OO in this post? Are you trying to protect your scumbuddy?

On June 30 2014 08:45 Cavalinho wrote:


That was a TvT cross. Scum could do whatever the fuck it wanted because they had nothing at stake. If/when I flip cop, nobody will even care because I played poorly and had everyone jumping on me at once. We can deal with the sinani lynch later, but I want someone on my wagon today.

Also kush better be the fucking vigi. All that stupid wifom stuff he was using to push me was ridiculous. Vivax is scummy too and I'll deal with him when I can.

On June 30 2014 09:57 Cavalinho wrote:
You're looking into what I'm saying as if there's some sort of hidden code. There isn't one. Saying Vivax is scummy once doesn't mean "he is my preferred lynch for the day and I want him dead asap."

You're nitpicking and it's becoming quite annoying.

On June 30 2014 10:06 Cavalinho wrote:


I have to run and errand, but I'll be back ASAP with my thoughts on those two players.

Also I think it's hilarious that you think that I was omitting OO for any reason. He is on my bandwagon for bad reasons; ergo, he is someone I could stand to lynch today.

On July 01 2014 00:57 Vivax wrote:
I've seen it too often.

Lazy D1 scum, posts huge post to calm the waters, when it doesn't work he fakeclaims.

On July 01 2014 10:17 IAmRobik wrote:

The lie is:
"There are reasons to townread you, but they aren't very strong"
"I never townread Robik"

You don't claim that others are townreading me. You are stating that there ARE REASONS to townread me. But if you're not townreading me then there are neither very strong, nor very weak reason to townread me. There are NO reasons to townread me for.

On July 01 2014 10:37 IAmRobik wrote:

I've used the too scummy to be scum read before. I don't think it pans out as often as one might think.
Screaming liar is my way to get his attention and make him answer for his crimes.
I could just be tunneled on mderg like I was on sinani though, so I'm willing to let other people figure things out for me this game. I'm trying to take a bit of a backseat after I cause a mislynch on d1 because of my stubborness (I won't retract my claim that sinani was scummy as fuck and it's good that he's gone)

On July 03 2014 09:48 kushm4sta wrote:
Rainbows, did you see my problem with exo being scum?
I don't think scumexo would be able to replicate confirmation bias like that. His case reads like a conspiracy theory.

On July 03 2014 10:01 Tehpoofter wrote:


But saying it like I'm stating it as fact is misconstruing it. I also was happily believing when Robik claimed during resolution without pause. If I "know" Cav is cop that I don't think would be my reaction. Maybe but I doubt it.

The point is if your argument against me is that I "know" cav is the cop and am stating it as fact you're incorrect. Its what I think. Like I THOUGHT you were town until today and the way you're buddying Vivax at lylo and instantly sheeping Kush is hella scummy.

Rainbows/Vivax/X scum team 2014.

On July 03 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:


When town is constantly mislynching a decent chunk of the time its because the active members are the mafia. Order had HF/Round as active mafia as well as Chrom day 1.

On July 03 2014 10:16 kushm4sta wrote:
rainbows, only person resisting the exo lynch is me and vivax and we are town.

On July 03 2014 10:25 ExO_ wrote:


You're hoping to paint me as some kind of mafia for defending mderg, because I obviously knew he was town right?

On July 04 2014 07:26 Tehpoofter wrote:


Why are you town over Haru/Vivax??? Where do you think you want to lynch today?

On July 04 2014 07:55 ExO_ wrote:


I 100% agree that we are separate teams. I am town you are mafia


Are poofter and OO both claiming medic?

On July 04 2014 00:49 Rainbows wrote:
The correct play here is to lynch Poofter.

On July 04 2014 10:22 Tehpoofter wrote:


I thought the theory was if Cav is real the mafia are calling him town to look better when he flips. That makes more sense to me. I find it hard to believe that Me Cav and Exo did like a super hero group thing held hands and said "TOGETHER TO TEH END" and just backed up cav the whole game.

On July 04 2014 10:27 Tehpoofter wrote:


SO HOW IS THE TEAM ME EXO AND CAV THEN if me nad EXO think hes been cop the whole game. Like maybe I'm wrong maybe he is mafia nad i've been pocketed but if were mafia together gee I sure do look stupid if he flips red.

On July 04 2014 10:44 Tehpoofter wrote:


Rainbows also has been on the same side of things as you Vivax I think and your push on Haru makes me think he is likely to be partnered with you. It feels like he also hasn't had much interaction with you this game no real conversations which is typical of scum teammates.

On July 04 2014 10:22 Tehpoofter wrote:


I thought the theory was if Cav is real the mafia are calling him town to look better when he flips. That makes more sense to me. I find it hard to believe that Me Cav and Exo did like a super hero group thing held hands and said "TOGETHER TO TEH END" and just backed up cav the whole game.

On July 04 2014 11:08 ExO_ wrote:
Unless we're having another town fake claim a la Ritoky style

@.@

On July 04 2014 11:15 Tehpoofter wrote:


Cause I know my alignment is town its obviously from my PoV.

Why is Exo scum?

On July 04 2014 11:21 Tehpoofter wrote:


I think its also odd that you two haven't had any interaction or really suspected each other too much. The other sign of scum buddies.

I agree its not the same but I have my information I know nothing of you. You could use the same on me and I wouldn't fault you for it cause you don't know I'm town.

On July 04 2014 15:41 ObviousOne wrote:

if kush and vivax are both mafia together we got outplayed / trolled by hf

On July 05 2014 01:14 HaruRH wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Tehpoofter

I still strongly believe that oo/exo/cav is the scum tho.

On July 05 2014 01:16 HaruRH wrote:


Both their claims felt scummy. You know why.

On July 06 2014 08:01 ObviousOne wrote:
haru was all up on rainbows' D this game does that seem weird to you in any way rainbows?

On July 07 2014 09:38 ExO_ wrote:
Do we have the option to vote no lynch? If HaruRH is going to die from inactivity maybe its best to just let him be lynched and not get anybody else

On July 07 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
What if I told you Cav actually isn't scum.

On July 07 2014 11:35 Vivax wrote:


It's possible for town to have those 3 PR vs. a RB, a GF and goon. Very balanced setup.

On July 07 2014 09:33 Rainbows wrote:
For the record, Vigi + cop + doctor is perfectly balanced for goon / RB / and either GF or framer to fuck with checks.

The only reason we're voting into blue claims is because two of exo/vivax/haru as scum doesn't make much sense when you razor it out.

On July 07 2014 11:41 Vivax wrote:
Hey rainbows, good you're here.

Just wanted to point out to you that the argument you used D1 on Haru here was bullshit, cause you said he was following YOUR sentiment, when he posted his stuff on Koshi before you.

On July 07 2014 11:48 Vivax wrote:


But this reads as if you said he posted it after you voted Koshi.



But you voted him afterwards.

On July 07 2014 11:56 Vivax wrote:


I don't get it.

You didn't see Haru's post untiil after you posted against Koshi or against Haru?
Reiterate for the other posts you're referencing pls.

On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
Koshi is weird.





Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then



condescends his way out of a push on him. nope.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi

On June 27 2014 23:35 Rainbows wrote:
Think a good heuristic for this game is to learn from TL Order which went spectacularly horribly. In terms of Kush, Kush is now confirmed mafia in Order and I've spent a decent time reading his filter in that game. If kush is mafia, he will hopefully show some of the same signals.

Koshi looks like mafia so far.



Vivax asks him for his reads on these three players, Koshi basically responds "we have to watch them". Vivax asked specifcally about the claiming country stuff robik did but doesn't comment on it just said there hasn't been any good things robik has said. I feel like town would come up with some conclusion based on either robik or kush at least.

Then Palmar makes case on vivax. koshi thoughts on case inc



Doesn't come to a conclusion on vivax's actions. Does consider palmar 'not scummy', but only not scummy 'not for this case'. feels like wiggle room to call Palmar mafia in the future if it benefits him.

But this is more interesting imo:






I'm confused. AT one point the case on Vivax is "not bad, not bad at all"

8 minutes later it is "Plammer is bad, or mafia". Seems like a drastic change of opinion. When vivax asks about Koshi's opinion on the case (quoted earlier), Koshi replies that the arguments are good 'because they are true'.

What does Koshi think? I can't tell. A lot of scatter opinions on the same topic of Palmar case. Reads scummy because, as town, he would know exactly how he thinks. As scum he tailors his opinion to the town. He also feels like he is buddying up to vivax in a lot of his posts which i only do if I have a hard townread on that person, but Koshi doesn't appear to have a super townread on Vivax, so why the buddying?

If that looks confusing I just woke up. Main point is that Koshi changes his opinion on Palmar case, goes from --> Case is not bad --> Palmar is bad, or mafia --> arguments are good because true, it wasn't a bad case. He also sidesteps a read on robik and buddys vivax.

##Vote: Koshi

evul koshi maf

On July 07 2014 11:59 Vivax wrote:
So you're saying you believed Haru's vote to have been placed after yours.
Weird that someone wouldn't notice the correct post timing, but I'll run with the explanation for now.

On July 07 2014 13:37 ExO_ wrote:
Don't know how the mafia is out of rainbows/OO/Vivax, but whoever it is (or may be 2) has the other guy(s) fooled completely

On July 07 2014 13:40 Cavalinho wrote:
Didn't we have this conversation at one point?