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Koshi looks like mafia so far. On June 27 2014 17:27 Koshi wrote: Who is this Alfred guy? Are you losing your mind Detective Vivax? It's me constable Koshi. It's ok, don't worry, use all your remaining brain cells to focus on catching the bad guys. Robik is Robik. We lynch him if he doesn't perform. I am going to ignore his early game and see if he keeps it up in the later stages. I am reading his posts to see if anything really good is in it though. There hasn't been. mderg dnu. He is pretty lurk always. I think meta will have to be used later the day. I would encourage Mderg to post more. Less than 1 page are extra mafia points. Kush derped early game in normal ass mafia. Really thought he was scum there. But he wasn't. We shall have to watch him. Closely. Vivax asks him for his reads on these three players, Koshi basically responds "we have to watch them". Vivax asked specifcally about the claiming country stuff robik did but doesn't comment on it just said there hasn't been any good things robik has said. I feel like town would come up with some conclusion based on either robik or kush at least. Then Palmar makes case on vivax. koshi thoughts on case inc On June 27 2014 19:10 Koshi wrote: Because they are true. You had many questions and as he pointed out you didn't have as much opinions. Is it scummy? Possibly. I don't like how you went all angry and stuff. Just accept the case and move on. It wasn't a bad case. You should have told him off and went on hunting them scummers. At least I would have liked you to do that. Is Palmar scummy? Not to me for this case, not at all. Only if he focussed you out while somebody else was doing the same thing. But even then. Palmar not scummy. Doesn't come to a conclusion on vivax's actions. Does consider palmar 'not scummy', but only not scummy 'not for this case'. feels like wiggle room to call Palmar mafia in the future if it benefits him. But this is more interesting imo: On June 27 2014 18:28 Koshi wrote: WoW. I bring Vivax a cold glass of water and instead of being all cool and smart he is angry and ignores me. Vivax. It doesn't matter what this evul Plammer is saying to you. We can find the mafia. Ignore the Plammer. He is bad. Or he is mafia. Right? RIGHT? On June 27 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote: I am not scum. I wouldn't lie to you Detective Vivax. I am seeing this case on you, it's not bad, not bad at all. Is he a wannebe Vivax or an evul minion of Moriarty? I'm confused. AT one point the case on Vivax is "not bad, not bad at all" 8 minutes later it is "Plammer is bad, or mafia". Seems like a drastic change of opinion. When vivax asks about Koshi's opinion on the case (quoted earlier), Koshi replies that the arguments are good 'because they are true'. What does Koshi think? I can't tell. A lot of scatter opinions on the same topic of Palmar case. Reads scummy because, as town, he would know exactly how he thinks. As scum he tailors his opinion to the town. He also feels like he is buddying up to vivax in a lot of his posts which i only do if I have a hard townread on that person, but Koshi doesn't appear to have a super townread on Vivax, so why the buddying? If that looks confusing I just woke up. Main point is that Koshi changes his opinion on Palmar case, goes from --> Case is not bad --> Palmar is bad, or mafia --> arguments are good because true, it wasn't a bad case. He also sidesteps a read on robik and buddys vivax. ##Vote: Koshi evul koshi maf | ||
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On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote: Koshi is weird. Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then condescends his way out of a push on him. nope. ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi Didn't see this while I was typing. Why is strong scum push on kush then going onto OO scum indicative? Koshi scum but not for that reason. | ||
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On June 27 2014 23:43 Koshi wrote: Rainbows, is it that you don't like my playstyle atm, or is it that you actually think I would play a completely mad style as scum? I don't understand the question. I don't like how your read changed on the Palmar case, and I don't like the buddying with Vivax because you apparently don't have a good townread on him. | ||
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On June 27 2014 23:46 Koshi wrote: Do you want me to explain things or are we cool for the moment? Can you explain why you buddy vivax I don't understand it because I only buddy people I have a strong townread on but it appears you don't have a townread on vivax? Also explain your read on the palmar case on vivax. At first you say it is not bad, then say palmar is bad / mafia, then say it is good and true, then say it is not a bad case again. | ||
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On June 27 2014 23:52 Koshi wrote: 1) I buddy Vivax regardless of his alignment. I don't care if he is scum. 2) The case from Palmar is pretty ok. I was asking Vivax if Palmar was scum or bad. That's why I ended with "right? RIGHT?" My read on Vivax atm? Dnu bro. Dnu. I do know this isn't going to be a Vivax + Koshi show.  1) That seems like a really stupid way to play. 2) If the case on Vivax is 'pretty OK' then you agree with it? You either agree, don't, or dnu. "pretty OK" sounds like dnu. But it also sounds like ' I could get on that wagon ' Ok i understand you were asking vivax if palmar was scum or bad. | ||
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On June 27 2014 23:53 Palmar wrote: With your main point gone, Rainbows, how much of your case still stands? I still have no idea how koshi feels about the case other than it's 'pretty ok', I feel like the case would have an effect on his read on Vivax which is also an 'I dnu' for him. If the case is 'pretty good', then shouldn't koshi lean scum on vivax? | ||
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On June 28 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote: Possibly, but are you then saying the main point of your case wasn't important to the case at all, and showing it as invalid has no effect on your conclusion? No, the main point is that I'm trying to get Koshi to give some form of read on vivax. Because he says your case is not bad, pretty ok, therefore it must have some impact on his read of vivax. The point was that I have no idea how Koshi feels about your case in relation to his read on vivax. The sequence of 'case is not bad--> palmar is bad -->points are true/not bad' was striking to me at the time but apparently that was wrong, because Koshi words things very oddly. I don't think Koshi is as scummy for it because it's not a blatant contradiction after explanation. But I want to see how a case that he agree's with somewhat can have no impact on his vivax read. | ||
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On June 28 2014 00:08 Vivax wrote: Rainbows frankly I don't think you can nail Koshi with the buddying argument cause we were kinda hoping to not roll opposite alignments this game. I buddied him back even when being suspicious of him so you can't only apply that argument to him but also to me. Just consider it something that would have happened in some way regardless of our alignments. You already mentioned the post where he talks about kush, robik and somebody else I think and imho that is more concerning about Koshi who I remember as more tryhard as town. He's usually quick to recognize me as scum if I deviate from my town standard so during the whole Palmar vs. Me thingy I would have expected him to either acknowledge Palmar's arguments as bad or at least try harder to figure me out instead of trying to get me to talk about other things and staying on the sidelines. It's a bit of a subjective feel read, but if you compare his filter with this game you will notice that he also starts with a jokey phase but becomes curious about the stuff that's going on rather quickly. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?user=Koshi&view=all Tbh I would like to have more stuff going on about Palmar and his new read on Koshi. Will he deliver such a case as he did on me? My problem is the other game Koshi was town in, I had a scumread on him in the beginning. This time he gives a lot of 'we should look more closely!' whereas in another game to not be named he gave a lot of genuinely considered bad reads for Day 1 and was pressured heavily for it. | ||
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On June 28 2014 00:14 Vivax wrote: Rainbows do you think Palmar is asking the right questions for somebody who just voted the same guy you find scummy? Actually, yes. The part I pointed out was cleared up by Koshi syntax, and it's not unreasonable to look at this and ask my current read | ||
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On June 28 2014 00:20 Vivax wrote: Well, whatever, you're bleeding town and to me those questions just looked like a waste of time. This just feels like he wants to force you into losing the drive behind your koshi read, and yet we don't know a thing about why he read him as scum. Interesting. His question was relevant if he wants to figure out my alignment / reads, so I have no qualms with that. I want to know specifically why he thinks koshi is scum though. But while he does that maybe he we should talk about people like Robik and banks? | ||
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On June 28 2014 00:28 Koshi wrote: It's a good case for the page we were in. Also it would initiate some discussion and discussion is always good. First case in the game as well. All these things point to town Palmar. I was surprised by Vivax his pretty strong reply to Palmar. But maybe Vivax is not in a chill mood and a bit antsy and wants to argue a bit or maybe he is really totally annoyed by the evul Plammer case. I am pretty townzies on Palmar. The part Vivax just wrote about me not recognizing the badness in the evul Plammer case is pretty townie btw. Because I truly am the Vivax wisperer. I nailed him in his last 2 scumgames against me. But it has nothing to do with these kinda things. Dont worry rainbowsie, you will be able to read me town before lynch ifnyou try. This is a townie response. | ||
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On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote: Koshi is weird. Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then condescends his way out of a push on him. nope. ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi Seems like he's voting thread sentiment imo. Whenever I make a post and vote somebody and someone else casually drops a vote like that it makes me very uneasy. On June 28 2014 00:09 HaruRH wrote: Because I just woke up, read through the thread and saw that hilarious post by koshi. When you asked me for a read/lynch, I reread the thread a few times and I picked up on koshi. | ||
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On June 28 2014 00:46 IAmRobik wrote: I think rainbows is town for the bolded I think that he'd be more careful not to get modkilled if he was mafia and would make sure he wouldn't even come close to referencing ongoing games again after the mod warning I wasn't referencing an ongoing game. I was referencing a completely random finished game where similar stuff happened, I swear. ##Unvote ##Vote: HaruRH Plz responderino. Reads now | ||
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