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On June 14 2014 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chezinu i really like you! Man if i could play on this game i would do so just because you are in it! ^_^ Make those people use their brain! <3 +1 <3 | ||
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I love you town. | ||
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I'm more interested in lynching people like BH sitting back and tossing in occasional kindling like the following On June 16 2014 11:12 Blazinghand wrote: You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip. and are content to sit back and watch it all burn. | ||
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##Vote: BH | ||
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I thought he was just trolling the game, I didn't realize he was actually in it. LOL | ||
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On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy. ##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? | ||
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On June 17 2014 04:46 slOosh wrote: Yea I so I think Artanis is scum. Here is his first post, top of page 8. There are many unnatural things about this post. First is his complaining tone. We are only 5 pages in, and yet he calls it all "bullshit". It's totally out of place and unnatural. Then he moves away from it and blames Release. Two things here. One is that he does nothing to either comment on, or figure out said "bullshit". No reads or questions on either YKZ / 27nb. Nothing to try to figure either one out. Just a straight up dismissal of the whole thing, and moving on to someone else. Next is how he blames Release for it all. When I press him on this issue: Nothing but fluff. He doesn't offer any meaningful reason why Release is scum. Look at the backpedaling. "oh yea I guess he added content. I could argue that wordiness isn't alignment null but I won't". He doesn't really care to convince me or others why he finds Release scum. He just wants to put his vote somewhere to look like he is contributing. He dodges the question the first time around so I ask him again: Ridiculous. Release is trying to make sense of the debacle, and Artanis is overexaggerating, blaming him for "perpetrating" this "bullshit", while making no effort to either figure out the YKZ / bunnies thing himself, nor make clear how Release is scum for it. Just vague handwaving and avoiding the biggest discussion topic at the time. Artanis is unnatural, Artanis is apathetic, Artanis is scum. ##Vote Artanis[Xp] I think this post makes slOosh scum. DETAILS AT ELEVEN!!! | ||
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Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler + Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him. ##Vote: mderg | ||
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No matter. I'll just yell at you all in post-game for not listening to me. Take the Palmar approach as it were. | ||
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On June 18 2014 07:37 Chezinu wrote: We have another hour before the games begin! It's all about the last hour. Agree. Sadly I won't be around for most of it, but the shenannies are very much what makes the world go 'round. | ||
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On June 18 2014 07:12 slOosh wrote: After rereads, still not sold on mderg. Bunnies has had a poor showing after her consideration of YKZ town, and has not offered any meaningful scum reads. Best I could find is "I'm a bit iffy on snickers". VE ... I still think there's a good chance he is mafia. No real reads and very laidback. I've given reads on players. They're real. Tell me why they are not. It's true that I'm laid back, and it's also true that I do that regardless of alignment these days. So please, tell me some more about how good of a chance I have at flipping Mafia slOosh. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:07 slOosh wrote: If you have specific things in his filter that you want to talk about, great, let's do that, but you will need to clarify what exactly you have problems with. I understand if you want to play a more laid back style of play, but if you want me to back off, give me something to work with, otherwise there's no reason for me to stop. I think that based on how D1 went down, scum weren't in much danger of getting lynched, as I think mderg is town. In this position, scum tend to be lazy / laid back. In some sense lurkers who drop by to keep up appearances, but not really care about where the lynch lands. VE your profile fits this. Again, if you want me to back off, give me something to work with. I intend to give updated thoughts on the game when I can. I couldn't care less if you back off me or not. Just because I think something is annoying doesn't mean I care if it stops or not. You're tunneled in on a townie, and frankly I think it's funny. I've come to terms with the fact that I'm not really that good in this medium anymore, but people just keep on lynching me expecting different results. That's insane. Ask Einstein. | ||
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On June 17 2014 22:37 goodkarma wrote: It is worth mentioning that a vote on you up until you suddenly came to life was a lurker vote. Like magic, a vote is cast on you and you come alive not to pursue any of your reads, but to defend yourself. Would you mind clarifying your read on Release? This is the point you're most wishy-washy about in your opening post. Like apparently unflipped people piling on him gives you townie vibes, while a virtually nonexistent case made by Artansis makes you think he's looking scummy? And said nonexistent case is stronger than sloosh's case? Please do explain. This post here illustrates succinctly my thoughts on mderg's post. He made a comeback post with a half-baked excuse for why he was gone and placed a vote and said "MAYBE I'll be back" or "HOPEFULLY I'll be back" or whatever. It's textbook scum play man, fly under the radar, don't ruffle feathers, place a vote to not get modkilled and hope no one pays any attention to you. Obviously it didn't work because the post in question was fairly scummy by itself, but the way he reacted to the pressure when he got back is pretty telling imo. Whatever happened to your Artanis read slOosh? Did you flip on him because he apparently flipped on me or something? What's going on there? | ||
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You can disagree with the degree, but the actions are here in this thread for all to see. | ||
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Why I Believe Mderg Is Mafia and Other Short Stories The Post In Question So my contention with mderg's original post still stands. Here are my expanded reasons for thinking his first post is mafia. 1) comes in and gives a weak reasoning for his vote - like, he thinks that her focus on the scumslip is somehow suspicious, but frankly I see way more town harping on about scumslips than mafia. Further, he doesn't even really state how anything else she does is suspcious - this is his only reasoning for finding bunnies suspicious (unless you count "between BH and bunnies, BH is more townie, ergo, bunnies is mafia"....I don't). 2) though he claims it was unintended, he DID leave the post with the feeling that he probably wouldn't be back. I mean, that's obviously subjective but when someone uses the phrase "I'll hopefully post more tomorrow" that leads me to believe that there's some doubt there (hence the hopefully part). This leads me to agree with GK's analysis (at the time - not sure where GK left off with mderg at the time of writing this) that he was scum hoping to be able to lurk out the rest of the day. 3) slOosh mentioned this earlier, but Artanis never really made a case on Release, but mderg likes his case on Release. Further Evidence I'm having a hard time following mderg's read on Snickers. Apparently earlier he thought Snickers' posting was free of mafia-mindset, which generally speaking is a town-lean or at the very least null, but now apparently Snickers is mderg's only mafia read (everyone else is null or leans town). Except for me I guess, but since this On June 19 2014 04:44 mderg wrote: I´m not even remotely interested in talking about the life, the universe and everything with you. I don´t have any other clear scumreads but Snickers seems suspicious with how he asked these "newbie questions" but still knows his shit. he also focused on very small pieces of information and bad wording. Spoilered examples. + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2014 12:44 Snickers wrote: I think you are thinking in a strange way because of my post you are responding to. I said that YKZ could be lynched and showed as scum. That would also prove the kenpachi rule as not 100% right. You responded to that and still did not understand that you could not be lynched and the rule could be shown as not 100% right at day one, not the end of the game. Also it think it is weird how confident you were with saying "Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME" but then you say by the end of the day. If i was being confident about proving someone wrong. I would have said, I could prove you wrong, even by day one with these one of these two lynches showing these respective outcomes, but will for sure prove you wrong by the end of the game. On June 16 2014 15:02 Snickers wrote: Also thought it should be pointed out that YKZ says the kenpachi rule "almost always" works and then says it "always works" without showing that his knowledge of the ruled changed between the posts. When we make posts we should try to stop assuming things. Thanks everybody for helping me with my posting and questions. On June 17 2014 16:07 Snickers wrote: gk what is your read on mderg? I think its weird how he has only posted one thing. He sorta offers an excuse for that. The thing i find most weird is "I'll hopefully post more tomorrow". ..... I do not think somebody that is town would say hopefully i will post more after posting one post. Other than that I only have null and townreads. comes AFTER this On June 19 2014 04:14 mderg wrote: Not enough passion! VE seems really scummy. At the start it seemed like he didn´t really care about this game with the BH vote. Then he points out something about Release which kinda suggests a scumread but then never mentions him again. He then calls sloosh scum and makes a case but kinda drops it instantly and instead votes me for imo weak reasons. He then stays on me without giving any additional reasons. This is very strange play, he´s kinda focusing on sloosh but doesn´t want to commit whereas he wrote like 2 lines about me but is heavily convinced that I´m scum. It´s like he just wanted to be on the safer and easier target. I have to assume that something changed between them and that I'm now either null or town. Speaking Of That VE Read... I'll speak to this post now though. Everyone is entitled to just a little troll at the beginning if they want to partake. I thought BH was trolling into our game, so I trolled him back a bit for shits. He is ACTUALLY in the game though, so it was really just a bad joke made even worse by facts I wasn't aware of. Be that as it may, that doesn't mean I don't care about the game. I gave my thoughts on what was happening briefly and yes I AFK'd for a while. Deal wid it. I do that as town more than I do that as mafia these days. I mentioned something about Release because Artanis had made, by my estimation, a decent point on him. However, as I've explained (that he says I never mention him again is either a lie or evidence that mderg is not reading before he types, take your pick), I started townreading Release based on his response to Artanis and the content he provided AFTER Artanis' original point. He's also misrepresenting my stance on slOosh - it's true that I thought slOosh was mafia early on based on how he was questioning people. However I made it abundantly clear that I didn't "immediately" drop it, in fact I never /REALLY/ put it in the thread to begin with - I spoiled it because it was, in my opinion, a bad case without the points I felt made it the strongest, his read on Artanis. Ready To Read BH Yet? Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................I think he might be mafia. He hasn't had any direct interactions with me due to timing and our respective AFK periods, but frankly the bunnies push felt contrived to begin with, and that he stuck with it only to see her flip green raises red flags to me. He makes a special point to say how GODLY he is at Mafia too, insinuating how BAD he is at town right? Sounds like preknowledge of his main target's flip to me. It's a weak read, but he's my worst read. I put it off because I was scurd, but now I might get lynched and it doesn't matter if I scurd anymore. I think he's mafia based on what's in the thread. How About Dems Other Players? Fuck it, they're all town because I think probably 2 mafia. Suck it noobs. No really, I'll answer questions I guess about other players, but after reading Artanis I'm willing to give him at least today to prove he's townie if others are willing to go with me on PREFERABLY mderg, but possibly BH as well. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:07 slOosh wrote: If you have specific things in his filter that you want to talk about, great, let's do that, but you will need to clarify what exactly you have problems with. I understand if you want to play a more laid back style of play, but if you want me to back off, give me something to work with, otherwise there's no reason for me to stop. I think that based on how D1 went down, scum weren't in much danger of getting lynched, as I think mderg is town. In this position, scum tend to be lazy / laid back. In some sense lurkers who drop by to keep up appearances, but not really care about where the lynch lands. VE your profile fits this. Again, if you want me to back off, give me something to work with. slOosh I think that in general your description would accurately illustrate a likely strategy mafia could/would employ based on the information we have now. I think that your observation is fair that I fit this category on reflection, and regret my harsh words to the contrary. I also realize that my scumread of BH does NOT fall in line with this line of thinking, so I ask how you're reading BH right now. Is it simply that you've constructed this likely scenario and that BH does not fit into it? If so I ask that you consider that BH is a crazy mofo and fucks up whatever plan you think you have about what mafia /could/ or /would/ do. If not I'd like to know your full reasoning for townreading/not suspecting BH. | ||
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On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote: I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time. | ||
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Takes 12 hour dinner, does not mention porkchops. ez rares. | ||
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On June 20 2014 03:43 YouKnowZhou wrote: I'm a vanilla town but this fact sound have been non obvious to the scrum team. They happened to be correct not to rb me but they did it for the wrong reasons. Hence idiots. I happened to be incorrect about nb but my reasons are solid. Hence I am a God I'd like you to qualify your statement of "scum are idiots" when the evidence (nothing but mislynches, presumably not RBing you when you're vanilla town, your complete lack of a further scum candidate so far) points to the exact opposite at least from where I'm sitting. Like from where I'm sitting, you've gone on and on about how "GODLY" you are at mafia, so you saying scum are idiots this game serves no purpose but to make yourself seem LESS mafia by association (mafia so bad, you so good, hence you aren't scum) when that's from my perspective not even a read you can currently have on the situation. | ||
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I'd prefer if you not ask me specific questions that can be answered by simply thinking about it Koshi. The only lynch we've had this game so far has been a mislynch. Obviously that's what I'm referring to. | ||
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On June 20 2014 03:59 Chezinu wrote: Do this mean we are going to perform operation Eel Ears? The Sheriff is watching. We must act in disguise in order not to be shotgunned. If we say the wrong things The Sheriff will kill us. Sorry for wasting your time, The Sheriff demands it. Chez you seem reticent this game, even for you. Can you hook us up with some actual content? I'd even settle for Chez content (content shrouded in mystery and intrigue) over what I'm presently getting from you. | ||
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slOosh I'd like your full read on Lazermonkey at your convenience. I'll look at Snickers, then sometime tomorrow we'll switch! OH THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION!! | ||
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On June 20 2014 05:39 YouKnowZhou wrote: How can I be begging for your vote when I already have it? Hah, can't argue with that logic, VE. That was way less than twelve hours scum. | ||
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Chezinu voting for me is confusing. Make him tell you why he's doing it. Lazermonkey and Snickers are disappeared too. But hey, at least I'm back and posting and townie as fuck right? | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:17 YouKnowZhou wrote: Does this accurately summarize your reason for scumreading me? Also, can you be specific about who you like and don't like on the wagons? What do you care? I'm too stupid to be reasoned with. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:17 YouKnowZhou wrote: Does this accurately summarize your reason for scumreading me? Also, can you be specific about who you like and don't like on the wagons? Yes, it accurately summarizes my reasons for scumreading you. Specifically I like slOosh and Release on your wagon and I disliked Snickers and you on the mderg wagon. I'm not really reading Koshi as supertown yet which concerns me, but I dislike him less than I dislike you and Snickers. | ||
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On June 21 2014 08:50 YouKnowZhou wrote: wow thanks for answering my questions only after like a million hours and after I explicitly called you out for it, and just before the lynch, and also only after it became clear I wasn't getting lynched. So helpful. I'd rather lynch mderg and snicks than you, VE, but since it seems you were here and just waiting for the least useful time to reply (rather than just be mean in response to my questions) all I gotta say is: if we could easily switch to you, I'd do it, and gladly. I don't even care that you're more likely to flip town than mderg or snicks, I just want to see you die. OH I'M FUCKING SORRY I HAD SHIT TO DO UNTIL RIGHT NOW BH, FOR SOMEONE WHO ATE DINNER FOR FORTYEIGHT HOURS YOU'RE REALLY GETTING BENT OUT OF SHAPE ABOUT THIS | ||
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On June 21 2014 08:54 YouKnowZhou wrote: That post took you 30 seconds to right, tops. Instead of helping, you wrote this: And then peaced until the MOST CONVENIENT possible time for you to be unhelpful. I sincerely hope you are scum, VE, because if you are town, this is possibly the most pitiful showing I've seen from you to date. You're usually such a strong player! We may not get along, but we interact and stuff. I'm sorry, when you call someone stupid, you expect them to work with you? Get real BH. Or get hung from the neck until dead. Whichever comes first. I prefer the latter. | ||
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On June 21 2014 08:57 YouKnowZhou wrote: So you have a townread on SloOsh and Snickers, the other two voters on my wagon? Release was on you earlier, that's who I was referring to. | ||
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Anyway, I'm going to be utterly silent this cycle in the name of not destroying the thread screaming at BH. Don't go too crazy guys. | ||
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On June 21 2014 09:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Probably town. Don't think scum would try to save a buddy this desperately and risk another that actually looks good this way. Mderg was likely a matter of time. He also came in immediately and was all "Welp now I look like shit. Whatevs." I thought he looked bad before but I agree that mafia aren't generally suicidal like that. | ||
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Understand that slOosh looked really good and you looked really bad. And that we agreed that you looked really bad made me think we actually were onto something. Obviously I thought I was onto something with mderg as well (see: only case I've made all game) but because slOosh, who was at the time my "rock" so to speak, had misgivings about lynching mderg. And because I failed to get mderg lynched yesterday and people were scummy on me today, I didn't feel like I had the necessary clout to oppose he and Release in lynching you, so I figured it was just as well to lynch you. *moment of assumption over* That Snickers, who I'm scum on, was voting for you plays no part. Obviously, because I was fine with an mderg lynch IN SPITE of you being on him, right? Scum bus, it happens all the time. It's why I still want to lynch you tomorrow: because I had a good case on mderg BEFORE you came in and voted for him. I can see a scum BH bussing there, so that's where my head is at. | ||
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So you think Snickers is next I guess. I'll look at that for sure. He was on my list anyway, and I never did get around to reading him. I thought I remembered being scummy on him, but then I realized that it was just me reading you being scummy on him and thinking "I should go look at this guy". | ||
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BH this means I'm giving you a pass tomorrow. I don't mean to offend, but PLEASE don't waste 90% of it blathering on about how confirmed town you are and how godly you are and shit. That's annoying and doesn't help anyone find mafia, not even you. | ||
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On June 22 2014 08:10 YouKnowZhou wrote: Honestly, if people think I'm scum it would be better if the cop would check me, were it not for peoples' opinion of me. Since I claimed VT D1, though, I'm sure this request will result in noises from the usual suspects that I'm the Godfather and I chose VT or some other ridiculousness. Even if the cop claimed just before deadline and said "bh is green" or something and then got shot and flipped cop, people would still make noises that I'm playing some kind of really long game with all kinds of amazing plans that result in all this happening. In a way, I'm gratified that people think this of my scumgame, but it is at times annoying. This from a guy who touts his own scum game as "GODLY". Maybe that pass was premature, considering you've spent all day doing exactly what I requested you not do. You can be next brah, I don't mind. | ||
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Artanis who is the most likely scum between slOosh and BH? I think it's down to one of them, but I'm not sure which. My heart wants to lynch BH but my head wants to lynch slOosh. Help a poor conflicted brotha out. | ||
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On June 22 2014 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Woop woop. From those two I prefer BH. I think BH's scum capabilities are far stronger than slOosh and I think slOosh has played a good game on D1 and N2. I tend to agree, though I can't just let go of the fact that he went absent during a scum lynch. What do you make of my observation right at the outset of N2, I'll quote to refresh ur memory. On June 21 2014 23:16 VisceraEyes wrote: So I have been thinking about it lying in bed. If GK was killed for being so close to the truth where mderg is concerned, then I think a mafia BH would probably follow up the GK kill with a push on VE to ensure that mderg isn't targeted. A GK kill doesn't make sense followed up with a hard mderg push from a mafiaBH perspective I think. GK was getting suspicious of me before he was killed, so it makes sense from my perspective. BH this means I'm giving you a pass tomorrow. I don't mean to offend, but PLEASE don't waste 90% of it blathering on about how confirmed town you are and how godly you are and shit. That's annoying and doesn't help anyone find mafia, not even you. | ||
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On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote: Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? Chez ur on the table today. Unless you can coherently tell me why you're suspicious of...whoever, then I'd consider lynching you today. | ||
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On June 17 2014 22:37 goodkarma wrote: It is worth mentioning that a vote on you up until you suddenly came to life was a lurker vote. Like magic, a vote is cast on you and you come alive not to pursue any of your reads, but to defend yourself. Would you mind clarifying your read on Release? This is the point you're most wishy-washy about in your opening post. Like apparently unflipped people piling on him gives you townie vibes, while a virtually nonexistent case made by Artansis makes you think he's looking scummy? And said nonexistent case is stronger than sloosh's case? Please do explain. This was the post that solidified my read on mderg - he mentioned something I also noticed (and mentioned actually) and he ended up dying in the night. However beyond this you're right, at the end of the day he ended up on the "mderg town" side of things. :/ Frankly the only thing I can see GK being killed for is either a busted role-hunt or to implicate me somehow (he ended up scummy on me at the end of the day). Good to know. | ||
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My play has been, while scant at times, transparent at ALL times. The same cannot be said of BH, and you should keep that in mind if you decide to tunnel me here. Like Artanis, I think the votes make you look incredibly townie, so if you're scum then well played yesterday, but if not then I really need you to know that I'm town here. Don't talk yourself into thinking I'm mafia. | ||
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On June 22 2014 17:45 slOosh wrote: Righto. Nothings changed. Any questions? I'm an open book. ##Vote YouKnowZhou This isn't true at all, something HAS changed. THIS cycle instead of having only one townie tunnel on his resume, BH has now pushed and voted for scum. That HAS changed and you don't just get to come in and throw a vote down on BH without explaining why he does that as mderg's mafia partner. | ||
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On June 23 2014 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you think wordiness is what makes a case strong or weak you have a lot to learn about this game. Syllogism himself mentioned somehing similar and he's considered possibly the best town player of TL. The idea is that you have to have a very concrete reason for why someone is scum, the rest is just supporting evidence and not quite as important. It's those four lines that you push your case on and elaborate when you have the attention of others. You've mentioned three things: -Taking credit for things he hasn't done -Hasn't pushed the thread forward with his own original posts -His interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town. I can now assess whether I agree with that read by going through his filter myself, and I can consider if I think those things make VE scum. I'll do that later. ...because if so, then I'll address them here. 1) I've never taken credit for things I haven't done. Any credit I've tried to take has been for things I've done. If you can point to posts where I'm doing this, then I'll kindly point to the post that shows me doing the thing I'm taking credit for. This point is false. 2) I've pushed the thread forward as much as I can whenever I can. Even though my play can be described as lackadaisical D1, I maintain that I clearly elucidated my intentions that cycle and indeed attempted to get a good lynch with what little posting time I did have. And while it's true that my vote ended up on the not-flipped-scum on D2, during that whole cycle I did nothing to dissuade votes on mderg and indeed pointed out several times that I was absolutely fine with mderg eating a lynch instead of who my vote was on. I've been pushing a pro-town agenda all game, and to say that I haven't pushed the thread forward with my own original posts is false. 3) This is your own personal opinion that is colored by your bias that you think I'm mafia. However because I'm town I know that this point is also indeed false because I set nothing up with mderg to "prove" I'm town. | ||
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On June 23 2014 07:54 Lazermonkey wrote: I think you are putting way too much emphasize on scum relations. mderg did indeed vote VE. Maybe this was to distance himself from VE. Maybe he just wanted to look like he was contributing. Maybe something else. Mderg didn't push VE for shit though so I really don't see any problems with them being on the same team. I have seen scum partners do far far wackier things. Going to bed now. See you tomorrow. Or maybe an easier to accept conclusion: VE is town and scum wanted to mislynch :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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Just take a step back dude. That's all I'm asking. I'm town, and if you actually get me lynched you'll see I'm town. But you can avoid lynching me if you just step outside this box you've painted yourself into and see what's going on. | ||
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On June 23 2014 18:58 Lazermonkey wrote: I cannot speak for others but theese are my main issues with you: -You say that Bunnies is "supertown" yet you do nothing to defend her once she is up the blocks. -You make your case on mderg but have no follow up. You say that you think both mderg and YKZ is scum yet you ONLY push YKZ. Its like you want to keep both doors open insted of taking an active stance. -You were one of the main components in the YKZ-wagon. 1) I was absent during the main pushes of her lynch. This is the least active day of mine and this is evident in the thread. I can't push something when I'm not looking at the thread, similarly I can't push /against/ something if I'm not looking at the thread. 2) There's followup. I give reasoning for thinking he's susupicious (you may not like the amount, but it's there) and I ask a couple of times where votes are/why people aren't voting. Pretty standard "I don't have time to actually push here, but I think you should be lynching X" stuff D1. On D2, I make a case (which Snickers will tell you is his case, but I made it not even knowing Snickers was SUSPICIOUS of mderg) and yes, I vote for BH. But my active, stated stance is "I like both of these lynches". That is explicit in my posts, that's the active stance I take. It's not that I don't WANT to make a choice between them, it's that I don't have to because I think they both scum. 3) This is true, and unless you think BH is like supertown (lol) then I don't know what the problem is. Ultimately your case boils down to you don't like my playstyle, which is NOT news, we've had friction before I think. However if you're on my team this game, you should really move your vote off me and onto BH. | ||
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2) I don't think coming in and poking fun at the way BH is reacting to things a "big attempt". Basically it was just me coming into the thread and reaffirming that I was on the right lynch. I never made ANY attempt to pull votes OFF mderg, which is the tack you have to think I was going for, but that's not what I did and that's not the effect of my "push" on BH. I made it clear that I wanted to lynch both of them. 3) Okay I'll disregard because subjective. LM if you're town you REALLY have to not vote for me here. I don't know if BH is scum, but I DO know that he's wrong about me. I'm town, and I THINK BH is scum. If I'm wrong whatever, that's fine. But I KNOW FOR A FACT that he's wrong about me and you should not lynch me. | ||
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But yeah that's pretty much what he's saying. | ||
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Like everyone who is so certain I'm scum is wrong, and I can't tell which of them are scummy because they're all scummy to me and they all can't be mafia because we've killed one mafia. My suggestion is that if you're town and you care about this game, try and figure out which of the pushers of VE are mafia. There's CERTAINLY one among them, and there's almost certainly one on my side of things if there are two remaining. That's what I think is going on here, and we'll see how that shakes out post-game. On June 18 2014 09:02 Kurumi wrote: Night 1 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gdtuvRp.jpg) The People's Committee has decided. 27ninjabunnies had a short walk with the Sheriff, confessing her sins. Burning dolls, stealing change from the laundromats, eating pie before it was cool. Nothing bad. Was it all? + Show Spoiler + 27ninjabunnies the Vanilla Townie has died to lynch! Final Vote Count - Day 1: 27ninjabunnies (7): YouKnowZhou, Artanis[Xp], mderg, Chezinu, Koshi, slOosh, goodkarma YouKnowZhou (1): Release mderg (4): Snickers, VisceraEyes, 27ninjabunnies, Lazermonkey Currently Not Voting (0): None! 27ninjabunnies is lynched with 7 votes! 24 hours, actions to both me and OnceKing. On June 21 2014 09:00 Kurumi wrote: Night 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/obgtafM.jpg) The People's Committee was a very hot place today. The evidence seemed to be daunting on couple of the villagers, but consensus was hard to reach. The rules were clear for every person in the room. Kill so we have a chance before they kill us. The two candidates were both very scared of the verdict. One of them had that fear fulfilled and changed into true terror. It was mderg. He left the room with The Sheriff. After couple of minutes and most likely mderg begging for his life a shot pierced the village. + Show Spoiler + mderg the Mafia Goon was lynched! Final vote tally mderg (5): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Release, YouKnowZhou, Chezinu - Unvotes (1): Snickers YouKnowZhou (5): slOosh, VisceraEyes, Snickers, mderg, Lazermonkey - Unvotes (2): Release, Artanis[Xp] VisceraEyes (0) - Unvotes (3): Chezinu, mderg, Lazermonkey Koshi (0) - Unvotes (2): Artanis[Xp], Lazermonkey Snickers (0) - Unvotes (4): Chezinu, Artanis[Xp], Release, YouKnowZhou mderg was first to 5 and so was lynched. 24 hours for actions to both me and OnceKing. So I think there's at least one mafia between me, Lazermonkey and Snickers because we all WERE on mderg on D1 and WERE NOT on mderg D2. Of everyone, I think it's probably LM because Snickers' case on me, while wrong, doesn't feel like effort scum put into trying to get a mislynch. LM is skating, sheeped the vote onto me and I think he's mafia here. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lazermonkey Everyone voting for me should really just stop and vote for Lazermonkey or Snickers. I prefer Lazermonkey. BH if scum can wait. I'm not even reading his shit anymore because it's all nonsense and wrong. | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:28 Koshi wrote: How are you people even considering lynching me? You're sheeping BH who is confirmed bad at this game. | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:32 Koshi wrote: Yet he is confirmed town that lynched scum and you aren't and didn't. Both of these observations are your opinions, not facts. I made a case on mderg and in my opinion I DID contribute to lynching scum D2. And I think BH is about as far from confirmed town as one can be. So clearly our opinions wildly differ on the state of the game. | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote: I don't like how Lazer keeps ditching whatever to get at Koshi. He says I'm scum for being on the wrong wagon twice, but doesn't seem to consider that Koshi was on the correct wagon D2 the whole time. All in all, lynching Lazermonkey > Koshi. Thank you for your considerations. So help a brotha out and vote for LM so we can maybe lynch scum today. | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:45 YouKnowZhou wrote: You call 27nb supertown here, well after the case against her is underway: 8 hours later, you're in the thread (link) 10 hours after that, you're in the thread calling sloosh (who much later would be your rock) scum (link) what's telling though is that 8 hours after, you are (link) in the thread and have time to, and I quote: And this is about 12 hours out from the deadline when 27nb is lynched. Look at this big post you wrote (then uwnrote) and your picking apart of reasoning, but nothing to stop the lynch on the supertown? Not even a word? I give you credit for asking people about mderg, but you never follow it up to call people out or pick apart reasoning, and you stand by and let your supertown read get lynched. When you are asked about it, you claim you weren't around, but let's be real here: you wrote a big post, then didn't post it, according to you, and picked apart reasoning, according to you, so clearly you had town. You claimed you espoused a clear townread of the 27nb wagon (link) but you clearly didn't advocate it. And yet here you are to pick up towncred when your townread dies, eh? and you say that your absence didn't cause a mislynch on its own (link) and it's true you made a decent mderg wagon (not enough to actually get him lynched, but still). However, you never weighed in on 27nb. You made a supoertown read on her early in the day, then ignored her as she got lynched. Yes, I lynched her and was wrong. But you got her alignment right, and did nothing to save her, and she flipped and proved you right. And you were afk, but had time to write a huge post, and never posted it. How convenient for you; or perhaps more likely you're scum. You SAY you're fine with both lynches, but when your explanation for voting me over mderg goes away, you still vote for me. And you also conveniently get mad and afk at the critical time. You can make all the noise you want about how you wanted to vote for mderg, but when it comes down to it, you didn't vote mderg, and your lack of voting does not make sense. Not gonna happen for anyone here, VE. If you guys want to check out a more fleshed-out case about VE's lack of consistency on the underlying reasons for his vote, and his convenient-for-him afking and rage, check out my case here: (link) *would insert LOL DID NOT READ meme here if allowed by rules* | ||
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Look at how he tries to get the lynch off a townie and instead onto scum! SO SCUMMY!!! | ||
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On June 24 2014 05:04 YouKnowZhou wrote: You've made 4 or 5 posts now basically saying "I personally know I am town, so don't lynch me" and that makes me much more comfortable in my vote on you. *another candidate for illegal memes* | ||
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On June 24 2014 05:15 YouKnowZhou wrote: I still have one tool left with which to lynch you, VE, should it come down to that. I will read on lazermo and you shall have my read. I do not anticipate being swayed to vote him over you, especially since this case appeared only when you were on mortal danger. In the end, though, I'll have my say and I'll do my best to be right. I'll remind you that one of us lynched mderg yesterday and the other is you. You say that, but I made a case on him and repeatedly stated that I was fine with him being lynched. I don't care how many times you say that I wasn't a factor in his lynch because my vote was on someone else, the facts and my posts speak for themselves. | ||
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On June 24 2014 05:21 YouKnowZhou wrote: You made a case on him, said you were fine with him being lynched, then you didn't push him or vote him, and voted for his counterwagon even after your stated reason for voting the counterwagon went away. I know I overuse the phrase, but that's pretty much classic scum play. You voted mderg day 1, then day 2 you didn't vote him and made noises about how he was scum, but didn't follow it up, voted someone else, and day 2 was the day that mattered. And I stated my reasoning for voting for you when I did - that slOosh and Release had voted for you and Koshi and Snickers had voted for mderg and I felt better about slOosh and Release than I did about Koshi and Snickers. That's my reasoning. You can pull out all the quotes and vote-timings and everything that you want, but that's my reasoning and that's why I voted. I don't care if you think it doesn't make sense, it's factual and real and true. You repeatedly stating that it's NOT true and NOT real and NOT factual is wrong and bad. WRONG and BAD BH. | ||
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However because he WAS a factor in the mderg lynch I'm willing to concede that he may not be the BEST lynch today. So I'm voting others that ARE NOT BH because they're BETTER lynches because of other reasons. But like slOosh, I REALLY want to lynch BH. | ||
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My reads, again, since no one seems capable of reading my filter: Release/Artanis are my top townies. They're clearly reading and critically thinking about the thread, and this has remained consistent except for a brief period on D1 when Artanis disappeared for a bit and then reappeared. I'll never vote these two ever. Snickers had that really weird vote from mderg to save mderg's life yesterday. So that makes him town right? He's REALLY REALLY wrong about me. Whatever. slOosh is in a weird place for me where I want to call him town because he seems to be in the right place where my alignment is concerned and his push on me N1 or whenever seemed genuine, and some of our interactions make me lean townie, but frankly if it's slOosh and someone random I'm not considering (Chezinu, Koshi) then this game may already be lost with the stuff BH is doing right now. His dropoff in meaningful activity at a time when he's not really being considered for lynch is not indicative of mafia, but it certainly doesn't look good objectively speaking. I'm back to null with slOosh. Chezinu remains Chezinu in spite of repeated attempts by a few to steer him into a productive direction. Would lynch failing better lynches, which I believe there to be. Koshi is scummy to me because when town he has his own opinions and FUCK anyone who doesn't share them. In this game he hasn't really given many of his own opinions, and he's sheeping the fuck out of BH. So I'm suspicious of Koshi. For reasons I think BH is mafia, see any post I've made this cycle. I think Lazer is the best lynch because he is on a short list of people I think could be mafia based on the voting on D1 (myself, Snickers, LM) and now he's opportunistically voting for me NOT based on his own observations but based on the findings and mutterings of others. I've answered any points he's raised against me, and he's just ignored. I think Snickers is town and I KNOW I'm town so I think LM is the best lynch today. | ||
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GUYS DON'T VOTE ME OVER DAT FUCKING LATEVOTE FOR REAL!?!? | ||
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Is self-voting allowed? Let me off this crazy thang. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: VisceraEyes GLHF GUYS | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Koshi Consider me checked out until at least the next day cycle. GG noobs. | ||
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On June 24 2014 08:57 YouKnowZhou wrote: party cause Ve is more likely to flip scum but... also cause I want ve DEAD. I want him to die, to get lynched at my hands. I want this lynch to go my way. I want to be able to mockingly say "who's the town leader now? looks you failed on both qualifications" after he flips I want him to be SAD. [citation needed] And this is why you're objectively a bad player. Because you play for yourself and not to win. Only if you're town, that is. If you're scum, masterful job chap. | ||
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On June 24 2014 09:04 YouKnowZhou wrote: Man, why am I even willing to vote for Koshi, it means I'll have to deal with VE for another 72 hours until I lynch him, too. Ugh. But Koshi makes so little sense, why is he posting cases on LM and voting VE? I hate myself so much. I just want VE to not speak for 72 hours. Actually, you know what, you guys will lynch Koshi tomorrow anyways, I should move back to VE. Or not. Someone tell me why I should move back to VE please There's no good reason to do this. | ||
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I've been AFK some. I've faked anger. I voted scum D1, but didn't vote scum D2. I've been AFK some. GUILTY AS CHARGED. But it doesn't make me mafia. What he perceives as fake anger is NOT fake. I'm PISSED OFF that BH is acting the way he is. The reason I haven't answered any of his points this day is because I've already done it and it's must me saying what I've already said. His response "YEAH WELL YOU CAN DO THAT AS MAFIA TOO SO?!?!" like what am I supposed to say to that? What is a better response than the truth? What is it you think I should be saying instead? I've explained why I didn't vote for mderg on D2. If YOU have a problem with my answer, why don't YOU verbalize why you think my explanation is insufficient. My townies were on BH and my scummers were on mderg - what more can I say on the matter? That obviously changed, but my information was what it was when I made the vote. What else was in his big case? His BIG CASE that he keeps referencing is literally just him postulating that I'm mafia and inventing a narrative for everything I've done. There's no defense of that, because it's all based on me being scum which is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE. | ||
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##Vote: Lazermonkey I like this vote too. More than Koshi actually. Not as much as BH, but it's one I'll make to save myself obviously. | ||
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Like, that's the reason man, it's not justification, that's just the truth. What don't you like about it? | ||
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On June 21 2014 08:59 YouKnowZhou wrote: I wish we had like a few more mitnues so we could get a VE swap going. the wagons are too close to do it now. VE is my top scum read going in to tomorrow if mderg flips town. he doesn't make sense. his timing is off. and his explanation for voting me over mderg clearly doesn't hold up Like BH even tries to switch off mderg onto me man, I don't know how much clearer I can make this. | ||
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On June 24 2014 09:33 Release wrote: Exactly what YKZ mentioned in his case: X caused you to vote. X changed. Your vote didn't and you didn't respond to X's change. I just explained why I didn't respond to you changing your vote - because it was onto BH's target, and someone I was afraid was a mislynch based on how things were going. I was still fine with the lynch but I wanted BH lynched more. Do you not see this as a feasible townie mentality? If not then I can't help you because that was my mindset and I'm town. | ||
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