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Release
United States4397 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 27 2014 06:40 Chezinu wrote: I never said I got goon back. I'm not even a cop. lol I just know things like... art is medic. When someone hands Chezinu a awesome role to pretend to be.. I couldn't resist... Sorry for pulling a Caller on you guys. Also, sorry for taking a while to respond. Twas busy today. Holy fuck... Lynch this dude please... ##Unvote ##Vote: Chez | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 27 2014 06:50 Release wrote: What about the fact that others told him that he was wrong and he still insisted that he was right? Waitwat? Are we talking about YKZ now? This is like how mafia works... I'm don't even understand why you bring up this argument. if I said that you were wrong (about me) would you be wrong about me? | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
So, We have a few hours left and I think our best bet here is lynching LM. I say this because I think it's fairly unlikely that Chezinu or Snickers is fakeclaiming. Chez made it obvious he was the cop earlier, and a scum player wouldn't fakeclaim with three green checks on living players. If we remove Chezinu, YKZ, Snickers, LM, and Sloosh from the equation, that leaves us with Koshi and Release as "not checked by a cop" unless I'm misunderstanding chezinu. I'd really like to know exactly who he checked besides Artanis. That would really help, chezinu. With 2 cops we can reasonably assume 1 cop-fooling role, be it Godfather or Framer. Since LM returned "Goon" on night 1 or 3 (on night 2 chez checked artanis), and "Green" on night 2, it means either he was framed N2 and is scum, or he was framed N1 or N3 (whenever chez checked him) and is town. It's not possible he's the godfather, since the godfather would return a role that matches his alignment (ie, green and VT). The other possibility is that Snickers is the insane cop, in which case his green checks are red checks, and the reason there are 3 is that his target was framed 1+ times. This is actually not as unlikely as it sounds; scum could have easily framed me for alignment N1 and the remaining 2 scum couild be LM and Sloosh (assuming one of them wasn't framed as well). However, what this means is that no matter what, the scum role has to be Framer, not godfather. The Framer can change someone's appearance in terms of alignment as they see fit, and I assume this means both role and alignment, which means we can't REALLY capital-T Trust any of the checks. However, if we take a look at possibitiles, we see: 1. LM is a VT and he was framed N1 or N3 to look like a Goon. 2. LM is a VT and he was framed both N2 and N3 to look like a Goon, and Snickers is Insane 3. LM is scum and he was framed N2 to look green 4. LM is scum and Snickers is insane If he flips VT, I think 1 is most likely. scum wouldnt' frame the same guy over and over again, especially if he was town. This would make me and Sloosh more likely to be town imo since it means snickers is sane. However, if he flips scum, I think it's more likely thbat Snicjkers is insane. Again, outside of some specific moves (like if someone is an obvious "We need to check this guy" sort of guy) I expect scum would frame themselves rather than townies. A cop getting a green check is not catastrophic. green checks can be shot. A cop getting a red check, however, is very bad. Based on my assumption of "scum frames townies not as often as they frame themselves" we can guess snick sanity based on LM alignment. Lazermo, I'm here and we have 2 hours to keep things rolling. What do you think of this grouping of people? Do not lynch: Chez, YKZ, Snickers Let's look more at: Sloosh, Release Lynch: Koshi | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Pushing a confirmed town is not why I think he is mafia. It is the way in which he pushed 27nb. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 27 2014 06:25 Release wrote: Because it feels like I make a post then everyone ignores it (and therefore my posts are meaningless). When someone mentions my name, they want my opinion and therefore my posts are not meaningless. Interpret that however you please. Pretty much YKZ's D1 is what makes him scum. Because when the thread is filled with tunneling, OMGUS, and is primarily focused on a single battle, asking questions leads us to consider other options. I agree that his passiveness is noteworthy, but even with that, I do not think that it outweighs what I perceive to be his information-gathering agenda. + Show Spoiler + having said that, if he says absolutely nothing until the end of the day and you do flip town, that would make me feel that he is suspicious to similar levels as that which I felt about Snickers D2 (which in hindsight was just timing issues). Afk complete peace out is not tolerable, even more so than 48 hour dinner since YKZ actually did something prior to D2 deadline First part seems like you are justifying the fact that you aren't giving out reads in a very bad way. That is at least how I interpret it. So basically, YKZ being wrong=>YKZ is scum. Do you really believe this logic yourself. Also, have you even considered what he has done since then?`He was the fucking dude that got mderg lynched. Are you not reading or refusing to understand? I never said that asking questions and such was bad. It IS, however, non-commital. Its at most a sliiight town tell but mostly null. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
So Chezinu fake-claiming makes my lynch like 1000 times worse. You are basically lynching a green-check. That seems pretty bad the last time I checked. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7456 Posts
On June 27 2014 06:50 Lazermonkey wrote: Holy fuck... Lynch this dude please... ##Unvote ##Vote: Chez LOL The luxuries of being confirmed town | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
Am I missing something? When were you confirmed town? | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 27 2014 06:56 Lazermonkey wrote: First part seems like you are justifying the fact that you aren't giving out reads in a very bad way. That is at least how I interpret it. So basically, YKZ being wrong=>YKZ is scum. Do you really believe this logic yourself. Also, have you even considered what he has done since then?`He was the fucking dude that got mderg lynched. Are you not reading or refusing to understand? I never said that asking questions and such was bad. It IS, however, non-commital. Its at most a sliiight town tell but mostly null. Fair enough. YKZ was wrong, was corrected, still insisted on his wrong reasoning. I understand, but it doesn't actively lead town astray. Maybe I am being fooled by fake activity and I have to reread his filter, but I am doubtful. I'll revisit this after a reread. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 27 2014 06:50 Release wrote: What about the fact that others told him that he was wrong and he still insisted that he was right? And I *was* right. Yes, *this time* my heuristic failed, but FACT: it is right 90% of the time. I stand behidn the 27nb lynch. I am willing to use kenpachi rule and kenpachi rule extended, and yes, SOMETIMES, i lycnh town. I'll own that. Just because 27nb happened to flip town doesn't mean I'm wrong. The people who defended 27nb happened to be correct, but they were not right. In fact, I should take a look at who defended her for reasons that didn't make sense. Maybe scum looking to collect easy towncred, right? When it comes down to it, I get it, you aren't as experienced and knowledgeable as me, which means you don't get Kenpachi Rule or the fact that happening to be incorrect. Day 1, I caught scum 90% of the time. If I buy for $5 a bet that 90% of the time I get 10 dollars, and 10% of the time I lose 10 dollars. During that 10% of the time I'll look silly, but on average I will make money. And when I lose my money, you can laugh all you want but I made the right choice. I insist that I am right because I am right. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7456 Posts
On June 27 2014 06:59 Lazermonkey wrote: Am I missing something? When were you confirmed town? Beginning of game, everyone said I was town. Then Art confirmed me town before he died. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 27 2014 07:02 Chezinu wrote: Beginning of game, everyone said I was town. Then Art confirmed me town before he died. So, to be clear, you are not the rolecop, and therefore do not have a check on LM? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 27 2014 07:02 Chezinu wrote: Beginning of game, everyone said I was town. Then Art confirmed me town before he died. ##Unvote GG my memory is OP | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
If you claim vt at the start of the day, and someone votes for you for some uncontiguous reason, does it still count as an appropriate application of the kenpachi rule? | ||
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Chezinu
United States7456 Posts
On June 27 2014 07:04 YouKnowZhou wrote: So, to be clear, you are not the rolecop, and therefore do not have a check on LM? Yup! Couldn't resist the troll... but unlike Caller I will tell you before lynch goes through. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 27 2014 07:07 Release wrote: YKZ explain this to me: If you claim vt at the start of the day, and someone votes for you for some uncontiguous reason, does it still count as an appropriate application of the kenpachi rule? If you make your first post claiming VT, and the person votes you for some other thing in that post, and their entire case is based off of the first post you made in the game (even if it never references your VT claim), it falls under kenpachi rule extended. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 27 2014 06:47 Release wrote: Forget the check. Stance on YKZ? (goes to everyone) Still scum. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 27 2014 07:07 Chezinu wrote: Yup! Couldn't resist the troll... but unlike Caller I will tell you before lynch goes through. If that's the case, I no longer see a reason to lynch LM. His lynch is no longer inevitable, so we must evit it. ##unvote ##vote Koshi Let's get Koshi. My case still stands: On June 25 2014 20:15 YouKnowZhou wrote: As has been mentioned, Koshi posts thhis: Then he votes LM, which makes sense When he starts mentioning VE again, he asks for reasons that VE is not mafia then votes VE based on my case, with almost no explanation Even at this point I consider Koshi to be chill. I don't mind this vote in a vacuum. The 180 on VE is surprising, but I've put in work. The problem here is that the explanation is lacking. Well, don't worry, Koshi shows up shortly thereafter with some mad explanation:(link). In his large post about 6 hours later, Koshi is writing about how LM is town and how he wants to lynch LM, rather than about VE. People call him out and he defends himself but never pushes VE futher. The lack of followup isn't a main poitn, actually. Really it's just the "vote VE, big case on LM". I don't like it. Koshi is imo a higher prio target than LM, whose latevote on D2 only really makes sense from a town perspective. ##vote Koshi and honestly, LM has a GREEN CHECK on him and nothing against that, and he made that latevote D2 that still makes NO SENSE unless he was town. Let's not lynch him, really. | ||
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