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YouKnowZhou
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Release
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Snickers
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Lazermonkey
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Release
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On June 26 2014 08:06 Release wrote: He made two posts about how I may be suspicious (I don't think that constitutes "pushing ... quite a bit": One for an "inconsistency" which I explained. Second for a meta read comparing himself to me, which I also explained. The post immediately after those two is one that attacks YKZ (for similar reasoning as mine), something that only I was doing. Seems like he pushed me at first, was satisfied by my response, and then started to hunt elsewhere. Lo and behold, another instance of the grasping at straws and casting suspicion that I mentioned earlier. And you said this, mentioning YKZ vs Chez and Snickers in distinct groups, mentioning YKZ first aka "before" (not necessarily more town than) chez and snickers, which is what Snickers claims here and you twist his words: On June 27 2014 03:20 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm not really sure what to say. If it is true that we have 2 investigative roles + a doctor then I'd say scum are bound to have at least 1 power role to counter act that. More likely they have 2. This is obviously a bunch of speculation but something like goon/GF/framer scumteam would seem very resonable to me, especially since it would fuck with the 2 investigative roles. Otherwise the setup would be very town favoured. This is IF both claims are true, which isn't necessarily the case. I find Snickers fake-claiming unlikely. Partly because of what YKZ pointed out earlier and partly why would you claim to have a town read on me at this state of the game as scum? Chezinu's claim, on the other hand, could be fake. I'm still unsure of why YKZ was so sure that Chezinu was doctor this whole time so therefore I cannot really go in to far on this issue. But from my PoV it does seem fishy that he claims to have gotten a goon check on me. I can't really argue much with this since I could very well have been framed. However, I DO think it is important that we do not regard Chez as confirmed town unless we have very good reasons to. If you lynch me, which is still likely, the fact that I flip green will obviously point towards that Snickers is in fact sane. It is, however, possible that he is insane and that I got framed but based purely on probabilty, I don't think this is the case. I would also argue that I'm a pretty bad frame target since I was very likely to get lynched no matter what, thus cops/detectives are more unlikely to check me. So, who do I want to lynch then? Koshi. By process of elimination I know that YKZ is likely town. Chez and Snickers are likely town (and also are the guys that will get shot, thus wasting lynches on them is bad). SlOosh I dislike but his green check means that he is likely town. This leaves Release and Koshi. The fact that Koshi has been scummier in general this game makes me want to kill him over Release. But I'm obviously willing to kill anyone in order to survive at this point... On June 27 2014 03:30 Snickers wrote: lol thats the first decent size mistake i made in this game. A lot of a mistake than all the people that did not even read the roles. Anyway, day one hard pushed 27nb early Day two was hard pushing me I guess, will look into it when I get time before the lynch. Day three hard push ve early. Day four defend lazer early. And it is weird that Lazer says YKZ is town before me and chezinu. On June 27 2014 04:01 Lazermonkey wrote: I never said I thought YKZ was more town than you... You should talk about things other than the checks because as far as we know, we have 3? town power roles and there is a good chance of GF/Framer. The checks tangentially guide us. They are not gospel. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
I've said nomerous times that I'm not interested in defending myself anymore. I'm dead. Even before the checks I was dead. If you disagree, then read my filter and vote Koshi. But all this "Hey, if you want to look town, answer this" when in fact that's exactly what I would do if I was scum. I'm interested in discussing things though. I will be confirmed townie at deadline so while I may be wrong about some stuff, you'll at least know that everything I said came from a townie. I cba to read all your filter but here are some questions that may or may not increase town chance to win this game. -What do you think about YKZ? Why? -What do you think about SlOosh? Why? -What do you think about Koshi? Why? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 27 2014 03:46 YouKnowZhou wrote: Chez, I would encourage you to unambiguously state what checks you have, and on which nights you made them, please. On June 27 2014 03:34 Snickers wrote: If a Role Cop checks a goon, does he get back a different result than if he checks a VT? Yes. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
SloOsh is town for me. First 3 days were quite chaotic. When I read his filter, I find that he does not contribute to the chaos. Even though he said this: On June 26 2014 13:01 slOosh wrote: I was framed, you're insane. Npnp. and peace'd out. You and YKZ are my mafia and probably his too. SloOsh just placed the simplest consistent scenario with that. Don't agree with his analysis since the accuracy of the checks are dubious (because of mafia PRs), but don't think that makes him mafia. Koshi is the mafia candidate outside you and YKZ that would become a lynch candidate if you or YKZ flip town. His play this game has not been particularly good (and at times absolutely useless). However, I still think that his play has been more meaningful than your's. | ||
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Snickers
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Lazermonkey
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Basically what you are saying is that YKZ's D1 play is what makes you think he is scum. I'm guessing his push on Bunnies is what you are refering to more specifically, right? Is there something else or is this the major reason you think he is scum? Regarding SlOosh, I've said it in the past and I'm saying it again. Why is it that his anti-chaos play so town-telling? Once again, yes, anti-chaos play does help town but it is very non-commital. His D1 was lacking hard stances as he was more focusing on asking questions and things that didn't put him under the spot-light. | ||
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slOosh
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The checks are easy to interpret for me since 1, I'm part of it, and 2, I've been calling YKZ Lazermonkey scum team for a while so it makes sense. | ||
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slOosh
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On June 27 2014 03:20 Lazermonkey wrote: So, who do I want to lynch then? Koshi. By process of elimination I know that YKZ is likely town. Chez and Snickers are likely town (and also are the guys that will get shot, thus wasting lynches on them is bad). SlOosh I dislike but his green check means that he is likely town. This leaves Release and Koshi. The fact that Koshi has been scummier in general this game makes me want to kill him over Release. But I'm obviously willing to kill anyone in order to survive at this point... Lazermonkey is spending time trying to convince Release that his town read on me is flawed. This is totally inconsistent with what he just said a page ago, that he likely finds me town based on checks, and Release more scummy than me. If anything, he should be convincing me why Release is scum. But he isn't, because he is scum and flailing around. I mean, I don't want to cut down on anyone, but I think it's really really super duper evident that Lazermonkey is scum, and I don't need to point out how everything he says indicates so. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 27 2014 05:49 Snickers wrote: Release is starting to look scummy again. Someone mentions his name, bam he's in the thread. Because it feels like I make a post then everyone ignores it (and therefore my posts are meaningless). When someone mentions my name, they want my opinion and therefore my posts are not meaningless. Interpret that however you please. Pretty much YKZ's D1 is what makes him scum. Because when the thread is filled with tunneling, OMGUS, and is primarily focused on a single battle, asking questions leads us to consider other options. I agree that his passiveness is noteworthy, but even with that, I do not think that it outweighs what I perceive to be his information-gathering agenda. + Show Spoiler + having said that, if he says absolutely nothing until the end of the day and you do flip town, that would make me feel that he is suspicious to similar levels as that which I felt about Snickers D2 (which in hindsight was just timing issues). Afk complete peace out is not tolerable, even more so than 48 hour dinner since YKZ actually did something prior to D2 deadline | ||
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Release
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slOosh
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Release
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
On June 26 2014 23:21 Koshi wrote: Wait. Chezinu did you get a goon result from LM? Because that actually means he is town. You lied about the check right? I just realized that a goon check is most likely a frame job. Scum can't look like a goon. Unless the framer frames himself or gf like a goon. I can't believe 3 powerroles vs 1 powerrole in a normal mini. 3 vs 2 is normal. I never said I got goon back. I'm not even a cop. lol I just know things like... art is medic. When someone hands Chezinu a awesome role to pretend to be.. I couldn't resist... Sorry for pulling a Caller on you guys. Also, sorry for taking a while to respond. Twas busy today. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 27 2014 06:25 slOosh wrote: Like look here, Lazermonkey is spending time trying to convince Release that his town read on me is flawed. This is totally inconsistent with what he just said a page ago, that he likely finds me town based on checks, and Release more scummy than me. If anything, he should be convincing me why Release is scum. But he isn't, because he is scum and flailing around. I mean, I don't want to cut down on anyone, but I think it's really really super duper evident that Lazermonkey is scum, and I don't need to point out how everything he says indicates so. Am I the only one who thinks this post is super off? It seems like SlOosh still is trying to push me like fuck. Why is he refusing so hard to do any real analysis? SlOosh is justifying him doing absolutely nothing the last cycle. I gave up trying to save myself sooo long ago. And yes, I'm flip flopping like fuck because guess what? I can say whatever I like. I'm simply being open with what I say and increasing the chance of town winning the game. If I had to guess right now, SlOosh isn't scum and I'd rather say Koshi/Release is likelier. But yhea, I could be wrong. Also, going to bed soon. If there are more questions please ask. | ||
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Release
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 27 2014 06:35 Release wrote: Lazer, forget the checks. Reread YKZ day 1. How do you feel about him and why? Obviously, pushing a confirmed town over scum IS bad. No matter how you turn it. However, YKZ was always clear with why Bunnies was scum. I didn't agree with him or his case on Bunnies but the point here is that he could very well be a townie that is just wrong. People are wrong. People make stupid cases, gets biased etc. If we compare that with say, SlOosh. SlOosh defended mderg pretty hard. But it was very unclear why he did that. That is something I think is far more scummy than what YKZ did. | ||
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