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I think it's more believable that your arrogance was a play than his fake anger. When you make claims of grandeur, you imply that you will not listen to others' reasons, which is exactly what you did on day 1. It's more likely that you wanted to waste time and cause VE to appear more suspicious than he actually is. since first p.graph in quote addresses afk, read above. @ 2nd: Don't know why he would include the part about you. The nested quote doesn't but the quote does? Even if you're talking about the nested quote, he agrees with himself and his statements are not contradictory. I do concede that the imcompleteness of the nested quote implicates VE for not being candid, but it's a stretch to say mafia for this. Sloosh rock? Yeah it's suspicious but it still sounds like his reasoning is the nested quote. He only mentioned me and sloosh in response to your question, which seems definitely secondary to his original reason. Sarcasm? It's a stretch to say it's serious. Town necessarily should be included in discussion. It is direct contradiction, and no one should (and didn't) agree without question. afk. Read above. vigi sounds like sarcasm, especially "stupid and scummy" = emulating YKZ. Vigi cannot possibly react quickly enough to actually do so. @next paragraph: read my sloosh rock paragraph. Again, suspicious yes. But it sounds more like he was led into this by you, not alone. nested quote... D3 for referece---------------------- first two points OK. But if he gives you a pass, means that he suspects Sloosh more. I've been passing on you as long as you discuss stuff. A pass =\= townread. The point about chez is understandable. Chez writes hidden messages. Not too hard for Chez to reveal the meaning of his messages, but VE wants more information? Understandable. this precedes this Consistent enough. I agree that the second part is rather useless. Attack on sloosh, seems to defend you as a corollary. His pass on you expired? ---------------------------------------- On June 23 2014 15:20 Snickers wrote: Release and YKZ if you are still around. What do you make of the day one posts. Sloosh highlighted the alignment of players. I do not think all of mafia would of been on 27nb. So i think it is very likely that, not to call you out but release lazermonkey or ve is scum. So it is obvious i think Ve is the most likely out of the mentioned three. Release is most likely not. As with lazermonkey, I read his filter and I thought it looked townie, somebody just mentioned he was playing well day one then dropped off day two or vice versa. So you most def do not want me to harp VE. If you have not yet, look at my post where I comment on where mderg says "honestly". I think mderg slipped so much with words it may have clued us in on other scum. Day 1 posts in general or maybe you are talking about the vote (which is what sloosh did)? For posts, I thought it was full of chaos, started and perpetuated by YKZ. SloOsh tried to dissuade it. In terms of the vote? Before the wealth of information we have now, I would say that mafia were more likely to be on the 27nb wagon since I didn't really see a reason for 27nb to be voted (yet she was voted regardless). However, I am pretty firm on Lazer and YKZ now for reasons I have already discussed. If I had to make unflipped associations, I would say VE and YKZ are the most likely to be differently aligned. That is one hardcore bus on players with whom mderg was associated (suspected VE, voted YKZ), which I find hard to believe. I think that is the only unflipped association at this time. Where do you get me/lazer/VE? I mentioned his stronger D1 into bad D2 and D3. What is your opinion on Lazer? | ||
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q q q The innermost one is the nested one. linky The nested one is where he starts with "meeeehhhhh" | ||
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Read above is my first paragraph @ fake anger Each line goes paragraph by paragraph. Nested quote means to read the nested quote, which I believe is VE's reasoning. afk means it addresses afk, so you should read my paragraph about VE's "fake anger" and afk. First two points are the first two paragraphs after the "let's talk about D3" Well to be fair, you ate dinner for 48 hours. Snickers has had some seemingly convenient afk, which in hindsight is just timing issues. It's not candid, but it is consistent. Not a lack of honesty but of straightforwardness/outrightness. Under more thorough consideration, the change of reasoning is quite suspicious. Yeah I see what you're saying. The sheer ridiculousness of VE's claim makes it sarcastic (or at least questionable before further consideration). You talk about his conveniently being afk and not responding to you.. So I refer you to my paragraph above. - "Also, note that VE was pretending to be mad at me up until he realized it was looking bad, then decided to stop being mad at me just long enough to address the case I made against him. All these convenient afks, fake anger, and convenient "jokes" telling people to stop engaging the thread are all things that VE has tried to brush off, but this coupled with VE's low contribution amount this game (don't look at his filter size-- even though he has 3 pages he has spent a lot of it being afk or pretending to be mad at me) it's basically clear he's scum." Again, it's different but not inconsistent. But, yes it is suspicious for not candid. Responding to last paragraph before ...D2...D3. I felt like the nested quote explained enough. Again, it's consistent, but not candid. First two points=first two paragraphs. Fair point about sloosh. It's not the super opportune vote like the one Mderg made (in fact, I only see Sloosh also voting for you). However in light of his attack on SloOsh in conjunction with his pass on you, it is suspicious. So at this point, his posts make much less sense to me than they once did. ---------------------------- @Lazer Color me unimpressed when I read your posts. Even YKZ, whom I have assumed was mafia through his discussion (but less so at this point), has contributed more meaningfully. I feel that your posting could be more concise and that the amount of posts D3 is not particularly representative of actually contributing to the discussion. But at this stage, I feel that the final 2 remaining scum are almost certainly in VE/Lazer/BH. I know that unflipped associations are bad, but I feel that VE and BH cannot possibly be on the same team. (Does anyone else agree?). This makes me want to lynch Lazer. However, VE's last several posts have been quite useless and he reaffirms his suspicious reasoning for maintaining his vote on YKZ D2. ------------------------------ And @ YKZ's lazermo is town post since I just refreshed. No. His vote doesn't matter. He could do whatever the fuck he wants and Mderg will still get lynched. I feel going any further than to say inconsequential vote ---> not alignment indicative is a stretch and probably WIFOMable. | ||
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On June 24 2014 06:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I completely disagree. I think both BH/VE are town or scum, with an outside chance of BH being scum and VE town. Both town: You think that they would ignore each other to such a great extent? Both scum: You think that they would create this bus on each other and stick with it for this long? | ||
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On June 24 2014 06:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Both town: What do you mean with ignoring each other? They've been posting a ton about each other. Both scum: Yeah. VE's done it before, see LI where VE and Toad had a bus that would put this one to shame. Town: Claiming that the other is lying when one responds other (BH on VE). Claiming that the other is lying/misleading/blatantly wrong when reasons are made (VE on BH). | ||
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On June 22 2014 05:11 Lazermonkey wrote: I will try to explain my actions yesterday as best as I can in this post. But it will hopefully be the only time I talk about the subject. I'm not under direct threat to get lynched as it seems and I'd rather spend my time trying to find scum. I have been busy, more busy than I thought I was going to be. I didn't have time to analyze the players in the game good enough and went into stubborn-tunnel-townie-mode. As a result, my read on Mderg was wrong and it is a fair assumption that alot of my other reads are completely wrong also. I will therefore try to spend alot of time to figure shit out. Sadly, I still don't have much time today but both tomorrow and the day after that I will have lots of time to spare. In summary: I sucked yesterday but tomorrow I will try not to suck. @Koshi I did consolidate D2. I did it far to late though but at the time of my second last post before lynch, it weren't obvious that the lynch would be between YKZ and mderg. Even if you don't believe me, how does me not consolidating make me scum...? If you are town (which you may actually be since I suck) then you are probably just butthurt since I was tunneling you so hard. Doesn't explain other than what was already strongly implied. Expected some master read or something. On June 23 2014 02:48 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, you clearly don't get the point I'm trying to make so I'll be as clear as I can. First off, I'm over halfway done with my reread. I don't have you as my top scum read anymore (though I still have some pages left so that is subject to change), although I still think you are suspicious. More about this later though. Yes, I don't think anyone has missed the point that you are voting me. But I never said anything about that. Even if we pretend that you are town and that BOTH me and SlOosh are scum then you are still useless if you cannot get the rest of the town to vote us. Right now, I'm not getting lynched. Why are "done" with the pushing me? If you wanted me to die, wouldn't you push me and try to get me lynched? Wouldn't you try to convince those who say that I'm probably town that they are wrong, that their arguments are flawed and what not? Last but not least: you can respond to this all you want but I'm not very interested in discussing this topic with you. I don't think you'll vote yourself. I want everyone else to respond and give their thoughts about you. That's why I write this. His thoughts exist for town to consider. He's bad for being done, and you counter by being "done" with him. Very verbose, and very useless. On June 23 2014 06:50 Lazermonkey wrote: Which makes alot of sense given that YKZ is town don't you think? I understand that there is a possibility that YKZ is scum and it was a clear exaggeration to say that YKZ was "110% town!". Yet it does become hard to justify a YKZ scum read. It seems like you and SlOosh are implying that there is a possibilty that YKZ is scum. But I see very little evidence that YKZ actually is scum. And even less that would make him a better alternative than SlOosh, VE or Koshi aka players that have done real scummy stuff. How do you explain why he started pushing the case against mderg so hard when there was many other possible targets? How do you explain that the restistance wasn't bigger for switching back to mderg? Etc. Considering the post made 23 minutes earlier, this is not very useful. On June 23 2014 19:21 Lazermonkey wrote: I love how Release here-is-why-you-shouldn't-vote-for-SlOosh post basically goes something like this: He did alot of good things D1 like -Bla -Blablabla -bLaBLaBLaBLaBLA -etc and he did the same D2 and D3. This is not how you evaluate if someone is scum or not. You don't even mention the fact that SlOosh was the dude that soft defended mderg through all of D1 and D2. You don't even mention how he, during D1, never said anything in particular about what made him think mderg wasn't a possible lynch candidate other than "his posts are consistent". Yet he never says why they are consistent. During D2 he claims that the mderg case has some merit but that he still doesn't want to lynch him because his posts are "consistent". Also mention that his meta is wishy washy but never displays an example of that. first half? Criticize the content not the style. Shit like those are the reason that I had felt that Snickers was mafia earlier, and why I think you're mafia now. And wow. VE really has made no effort to give his reads. If he does last 10 minutes thing again, this might change but for now. ##unvote ##Vote VE | ||
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"If we assume that Koshi is town, how could you justify his actions?" same game? | ||
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On June 24 2014 09:00 slOosh wrote: Release please swaperonis! would lazer but not koshi atm | ||
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So I guess now, the onus is on Koshi to say something useful. | ||
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On June 24 2014 09:14 Release wrote: VE, for fun's sake. Explain one more time your reason for voting YKZ at the end of D2. This is your latest respones On June 24 2014 05:24 VisceraEyes wrote: And I stated my reasoning for voting for you when I did - that slOosh and Release had voted for you and Koshi and Snickers had voted for mderg and I felt better about slOosh and Release than I did about Koshi and Snickers. That's my reasoning. You can pull out all the quotes and vote-timings and everything that you want, but that's my reasoning and that's why I voted. I don't care if you think it doesn't make sense, it's factual and real and true. You repeatedly stating that it's NOT true and NOT real and NOT factual is wrong and bad. WRONG and BAD BH. That was your initial reasoning. Then you flamed some on BH for his godly mafia claims, and said that was your reason. Then you said it was SloOsh and me again, but at that moment I had already switched to Mderg. Then you claim it was only at the initial moment. IF you were literally sheeping me and sloOsh, you would have responded to my change with something more than, 'he did it earlier.' That is what sounds like justification, which makes you suspicious. | ||
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X caused you to vote. X changed. Your vote didn't and you didn't respond to X's change. | ||
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