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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 27 2014 23:28 iamperfection wrote: its hard to catch scum and convince others that someone is scum if we are all holding hands and singing kumbaya my lord all day. NOPE | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 28 2014 00:11 kitaman27 wrote: All bans shall now be determined by RNG. I think banning caps just because some people hear loud noises when they see them would be pretty silly. It's no different than bold or red text in my opinion and would completely neuter austin. As far as I'm aware, the "Do Not Spam" issue is being saved for another day and won't change from how it is currently enforced? From the sound of things, this isn't very drastic of a change. I don't think harsher post-game punishments would solve much, but personal attacks have never been allowed and the only difference now is that hosts would step in a bit sooner with a warning PM before things get out of hand and people would agree to be a bit more pleasant in the thread, which seems pretty reasonable to me. Fwiw I use that to sound like a raving madman | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote: Well, I have a coherent argument, I want everyone to use my own standards for behavior rules. I think if you look at the rules suggested in the OP you'll find nothing actually objectionable about them, just about things that you think are there but aren't. We're not saying "no flaming" or anything like that, just to not be awful people. Now, maybe in theory this is not different than what we have, but if we have a grand opening in 2 weeks where we are now and then things will be good/different What the fuck? Most of this thread is people objecting to the rules in the op. WHY CAN"T WE USE ALL CAPS SELECTIVELY TO HIGHLIGHT A POINT? Why can't we post a lot? I agree with not making jokes about race/sexuality but if someone is acting retarded blazinghand, I want to be able to call both them and their argument retarded. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 28 2014 02:42 IAmRobik wrote: Regarding spam: I think restricting people to a certain style of play is absolutely absurd. Some people are able to make long, well-thought-out posts and are able to deduce things in a grand scheme of things kinda way. Other people are better at figuring out the game based off of real-time conversations, having a back-and-forth with another player or two or whatever the case may be. Restricting a persons play style to a certain way just because you don't play that way is absolutely bonkers. Having said that, all the posts of reactionary youtube clips and .jpegs and "lol" 1 liners should be abolished as far as I'm concerned. You know...stuff that's ACTUALLY spam/unrelated to the game My YouTube has hidden significance sir | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:26 Holyflare wrote: Did anyone forget this threads behavioural changes were because tl wasn't getting enough people in? It somehow devolved to general rule talk. The problem really isn't so much behaviour imo and tl bans shouldn't be used at all. I forgot a long time ago let me reply to everyone | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:25 DarthPunk wrote: but if someone is acting retarded blazinghand, I want to be able to call both them and their argument retarded. That's *ALREADY* against the rules. It's just that no one enforces it. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:28 Keirathi wrote: That's *ALREADY* against the rules. It's just that no one enforces it. Well that rule is retarded. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 28 2014 06:53 marvellosity wrote: The green people essentially agree with the OP marv - doesn't agree, hosts already have power, mafia is adversarial jat - doesn't agree, hosts already have power DP - doesn't agree yamato - "stricter enforcement of standards" Koshi - hosts should warn for BM in thread Kurumi - agrees with GM post iamp - doesn't agree Palmar - doesn't agree sandroba - doesn't agree kitaman - change isn't drastic BH - I guess agrees wordily Odin - agrees Holy - doesn't agree - host can deal coag - doesn't agree OO - agrees with sandroba (i.e. disagrees) thrawn - doesn't agree prplhz - doesn't see the point Keirathi - doesn't agree, hosts already have power Alakaslam- Could care less, would stick around if atmosphere became truly hostile in either direction Not a great hitrate tbh Whateffer | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:28 Keirathi wrote: That's *ALREADY* against the rules. It's just that no one enforces it. And I think a "rule reform", even if only in name (which like, why oppose it if that's the case) would totes cause enforcement amirite | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:36 Blazinghand wrote: And I think a "rule reform", even if only in name (which like, why oppose it if that's the case) would totes cause enforcement amirite Yep. Let's ban people more because fewer and fewer people play here. Seems legit. The fact that hearthstone and Dota have their own sites with no mafia presence and the decline of SC2 has nothing to do with the reduction in new players. No it has to be some non-existent behavior problem. So let's make rules that will alienate the people who already play here and Ban them from playing. That will increase the size of our community. Right guys? Right? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
Blizzard in 2010 going. No guys, THIS game is better, OBJECTIVELY better. So we are going to force you to play this game in order to #GrowEsports. Just before they killed the broodwar scene that had lasted over a decade. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote: Well, I have a coherent argument, I want everyone to use my own standards for behavior rules. I think if you look at the rules suggested in the OP you'll find nothing actually objectionable about them, just about things that you think are there but aren't. We're not saying "no flaming" or anything like that, just to not be awful people. Now, maybe in theory this is not different than what we have, but if we have a grand opening in 2 weeks where we are now and then things will be good/different that's not a coherent argument, that's a self-centred argument that holds no water with anyone but you. The point is, with my stance, I don't even have to *have* a stance on whether flaming/arguing is a problem. Is there a problem? No? Then let hosts do what they like Is there a problem? Yes? Then hosts already have more than ample tools to deal with it. Whichever way you look at it, you think behaviour is fine, behaviour is too aggressive, the hosts already have all the tools necessary at their disposal. All these new "rules" are doing is creating conflict where no conflict is necessary, because, at the risk of repeating myself, hosts already have all the tools at their disposal they need to moderate games. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
What is even the problem again? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:41 DarthPunk wrote: Yep. Let's ban people more because fewer and fewer people play here. Seems legit. The fact that hearthstone and Dota have their own sites with no mafia presence and the decline of SC2 has nothing to do with the reduction in new players. No it has to be some non-existent behavior problem. So let's make rules that will alienate the people who already play here and Ban them from playing. That will increase the size of our community. Right guys? Right? I've pushed behind the scenes for tl mafia because I know the fragmentation of community is bad for our new recruits, especially dota 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/450319-sharing-some-thoughts?page=3#57 is just a tiny example of this. In any case, calling people retarded maybe isn't the way we should be rolling anyways right On May 28 2014 08:44 marvellosity wrote: that's not a coherent argument, that's a self-centred argument that holds no water with anyone but you. The point is, with my stance, I don't even have to *have* a stance on whether flaming/arguing is a problem. Is there a problem? No? Then let hosts do what they like Is there a problem? Yes? Then hosts already have more than ample tools to deal with it. Whichever way you look at it, you think behaviour is fine, behaviour is too aggressive, the hosts already have all the tools necessary at their disposal. All these new "rules" are doing is creating conflict where no conflict is necessary, because, at the risk of repeating myself, hosts already have all the tools at their disposal they need to moderate games. Do you believe games are being moderated effectively right now? If not, then just having the tools doesn't seem to be doing the trick, right? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
Can you point me to an example of a game that has not been effectively moderated in recent times BH? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
instead of what is frankly a massive bungle in this thread. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:25 DarthPunk wrote: but if someone is acting retarded blazinghand, I want to be able to call both them and their argument retarded. Poll: Should it be allowed to call a player retarded? No, this crosses the line and should not be acceptable. (24) Yes, I support the freedom to inform a player of their retardedness. (12) I am actually retarded so I'm a bit biased on this issue. (6) 42 total votes Your vote: Should it be allowed to call a player retarded? (Vote): Yes, I support the freedom to inform a player of their retardedness. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:45 Alakaslam wrote: Hey What is even the problem again? The main problem is that someone presented an idea that can be argued to a forum of people who get off on arguing. Maybe GM just did that on purpose just to see what would happen. | ||
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