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Let me tell you a story:
I once played in a game where the host enforced strict behaviour rules which would result in a modkill if they were broken. In the said game another player very clearly and unnecessarily personally insulted myself. After some time i got NK'd. In the obs QT i asked the host why he didn't modkill that player and what do his "strict behavioural rules" in fact mean. I got a response that "yes what they did was out of line but none of the hosts were around until 12h later and the situation was already resolved between the players, there was no harm done to anyone". Fine. Later on the same host modkilled another player for some really ridiculous reason (that was even discussed post-game and i don't know anyone who said they agreed with the host's decision). That said player had called himself modconfirmed town earlier on in the game for reasons. When the modkill happened the host even posted "well now you are modconfirmed town" in the obs QT, which i found out so fucking disgusting and disrespectful. I talked about that modkill with the host in the obs QT. At some point he told me to stop because the discussion would not belong to the obs QT. I agreed and apologized to him. He told me to gtfo of his obs QT....
Guess who that was Aquanim?
Now you can come here and bitch about toxic players or whatever shit as much as you want. But you do not get to tell me what i can do and what i can't do, and insult me here, because you yourself are incapable of following your own rules you have set for YOUR OWN game. Or maybe it's me who is fucking delusional about what's wrong and what's right but i don't live in a world where you can have double-standards based on whether or not you like the people in question.
I consider myself reasonable, as long as people are reasonable towards me. Yes, i sometimes do dumb shit and get myself modkilled because i am a highly emotional person. But i also know when i do something wrong. Then i apologize to people i think i have done wrong against and serve my punishment (in this case my bans). None of the people you just listed have "ran away", i am currently sitting out games. OMGUS people, if banned, sit out their bans. But you, YOU YOURSELF ran away and asked for a ban!!! So what the fuck are you even arguing about here?
I don't force anyone to like me and i know i myself don't like some people. But i can work with them, and if i can't i just don't join the games they are in. However that does not mean you are supposed to bend the rules when it comes to them because that is FAR bigger problem than someone calling another guy a fuckhead or someone ragequitting a game and getting a ban for it.
Also half of your post is pure bullshit and you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. So please stop.
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On June 13 2014 14:42 Aquanim wrote:
You are, quite simply, unpleasant people to share a community with. I'm not talking about you as Mafia players. I'm talking about you as people, or at least as overall internet personas.
Wow, now who is the toxic person here?
On June 13 2014 14:42 Aquanim wrote:
I imagine that's why GM and Foolishness aren't being forthcoming about the list of hosts in favour of these changes; they have no wish to subject nice people to your abuse. And if hosts enforce these rules individually, then like vultures you will swoop on them individually and peck them to death. A combined effort like this is the only way to "beat" your clique, if it can be done at all. Which I doubt.
This is completely unfounded and frankly also total bullshit.
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Since when was I in a clique with marv? We are like in the opposite of a clique.
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we're totes a clique, get with the program.
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On June 13 2014 22:23 marvellosity wrote:
we're totes a clique, get with the program.
Clique of people with common sense. Current total: 2 and a 1/2
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Besides Rayn and Geript, every other player from Cultured I talked to agreed that Geript's actions were modkillable and that none of what had come before was... so maybe Rayn you're just going to have to accept that you were wrong. The prime directive of my rules was that "You shall play in such a way that everyone else who follows the rules can have fun", and Geript (and you to a lesser extent) definitely broke that one.
Also, when I said I'd had enough of the subforum and left, I had the balls to do it. I wasn't banned, I left of my own accord. You did something stupid and got banned, said you were quitting, then hung around and whinged. EDIT: I'm only here now as moral support for a few people I respect on the forum.
And JAT, DP and Marv have settled for taking one-liner potshots and completely dodging the point. Unfortunately, I can't say I expected any different.
Marv: I wasn't particularly trying to be nice to you. Sometimes the truth of how other people see you hurts. Deal with it.
JAT: I got the full vulture treatment after Cultured. "Unfounded" my ass.
On June 13 2014 22:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 22:23 marvellosity wrote:
we're totes a clique, get with the program. Clique of people with common sense. Current total: 2 and a 1/2
You go on telling yourself that.
But in the end... I don't really care about your opinion. Just as I expect you don't care about mine.
On June 13 2014 16:19 goodkarma wrote:
Well put, Aqua. I agree with pretty much all of this, with the exception of these changes being completely futile. I mean, if you start screening out the most toxic you will make a more welcoming community. Sure, it won't change immediately, but it will over time. This may not be the only measure needed, but I believe it's a giant step in the right direction.
I'd like to be wrong. I guess we'll see.
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On June 13 2014 22:37 Aquanim wrote:
But in the end... I don't really care about your opinion. Just as I expect you don't care about mine.
Imagine all people being like that. Wouldn't that be great?
/s
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On June 13 2014 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 22:37 Aquanim wrote:
But in the end... I don't really care about your opinion. Just as I expect you don't care about mine.
Imagine all people being like that. Wouldn't that be great? /s
I care about the opinion of anyone who's given me reason to respect it and them. And no, that's not only people who agree with me. For instance, I have respect for the opinion for Hapa and BH, despite some pretty serious differences I've had with them in the past.
EDIT: I'm pretty sure anything you lot have to say to me after that will simply derail this thread, so if you feel the need to talk with me some more take it to PMs.
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On June 13 2014 22:45 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 13 2014 22:37 Aquanim wrote:
But in the end... I don't really care about your opinion. Just as I expect you don't care about mine.
Imagine all people being like that. Wouldn't that be great? /s I care about the opinion of anyone who's given me reason to respect it and them.
-> Everyone who shares your opinion.
I will stop it now but your behaviour in this thread is much more toxic/creating a bad atmosphere than everything I saw in recent games.
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Aqua I find it kind of odd that you would have a go at me for 'personal attacks' in the thread consisting of:
On May 28 2014 09:00 DarthPunk wrote:
I think it goes without saying the word that describes the people who voted no.
But then think it is ok to name me as a toxic member of the community and proceed to post at length in a very negative way about those 'toxic' people and I paraphrase "personally not just in games"
I have never been anything but nice to you, so I don't really know why you have a problem with me, but whatever.
I don't think your posts are constructive and you made it very clear that you are done with this community so perhaps it would be for the best if you just leave it at that.
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On June 13 2014 22:37 Aquanim wrote:
Marv: I wasn't particularly trying to be nice to you. Sometimes the truth of how other people see you hurts. Deal with it.
Absolutely nothing to do with how other people see me, it was only about the nature of your post. You are the rudest person in the thread.
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Remember to post respectfully, but feel free to voice how you actually feel about the change
some day things will change
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On June 13 2014 22:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 22:37 Aquanim wrote:
Marv: I wasn't particularly trying to be nice to you. Sometimes the truth of how other people see you hurts. Deal with it.
Absolutely nothing to do with how other people see me, it was only about the nature of your post. You are the rudest person in the thread.
You think that me saying you are an "unpleasant person to share a community with" is ruder than you comparing Yamato to some bible-bashing, evangelical Crusader? I think your perception of how "rude" my post is is entirely warped by the fact that for once you're on the receiving end of some criticism.
Unless you have something new and interesting to say, I'm done talking with you. Feel free to satisfy yourself with the "last word" if you like.
EDIT: Whoops, that was meant to be a PM. Never mind. The above stands though. Unless I mess up again, I am now in fact done aiding and abetting this derail.
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There is a lot of potential for sillyness if there was a dedicated morale officer
This is mostly speculation but i think a large part of the problem is that people approach the game from a competitive mindset much in the same way you would a vidya game. We all made it to TL and i would say this makes us much more likely to play with improving or winning as the focus. The problem is that, that doesn't really align well with mafia. It seems to me that skill is more or less inherent and improvement is difficult to achieve and hard to measure. As much as i have tried i don't think i have improved a whole lot and most of the things i liked or enjoyed about playing here had nothing to do with winning or losing.
I know i have played in games where i should have just had more fun with it and that is where the problems start.
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On June 13 2014 23:04 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2014 22:56 marvellosity wrote:On June 13 2014 22:37 Aquanim wrote:
Marv: I wasn't particularly trying to be nice to you. Sometimes the truth of how other people see you hurts. Deal with it.
Absolutely nothing to do with how other people see me, it was only about the nature of your post. You are the rudest person in the thread. You think that me saying you are an "unpleasant person to share a community with" is ruder than you comparing Yamato to some bible-bashing, evangelical Crusader? I think your perception of how "rude" my post is is entirely warped by the fact that for once you're on the receiving end of some criticism. Unless you have something new and interesting to say, I'm done talking with you. Feel free to satisfy yourself with the "last word" if you like.
you don't even know what comparison I was making. If you think Koshi calling someone craycray for being a bit craycray or me making a Crusades reference is anything like you coming in and flaying a whole tonne of people's overall personalities, then you have a truly warped sense of perspective.
Your hypocrisy is disgusting.
P.S. people criticise me all the time, i'm ok with that.
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This thread is basically two sides whom have different ideas about how things should work here.
On the one hand 'pro-change' people are fundamentally espousing an authoritarian philosophy towards moderation
Whilst "anti-change" people hold a libertarian philosophy toward moderation.
Pretty interesting actually.
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Same!
Maybe that is the clique Aqua was talking about.
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On June 13 2014 23:31 DarthPunk wrote:
This thread is basically two sides whom have different ideas about how things should work here.
On the one hand 'pro-change' people are fundamentally espousing an authoritarian philosophy towards moderation
Whilst "anti-change" people hold a libertarian philosophy toward moderation.
Pretty interesting actually.
Wrong. You can just not use the banlist.
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