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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 00:58 GMT
#24
I sincerely apologize for my mistake.
Greetings again people.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:02 GMT
#28
I swear this is not a coaching question.
The deadline has changed. Should we expect it to be the new deadline for all deadlines?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:14 GMT
#31
I'm fine, thank you, and you?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:17 GMT
#33
tbh, I'm the reason we're in detention, so I have a lot of pressure on me to carry town to a win now.
So I'm not fine, I'm under pressure.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 01:24 GMT
#35
Or maybe I don't feel the pressure. Maybe I'm scum, for the first time.

You know what really drives me crazy? I must have played over 30 games of irl mafia by now, and I've rolled mafia twice. Cop I've rolled quite a bit of cop, and doctor at least 3 times, but I never rolled mafia.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 01:25 GMT
#37
*never rolled mafia except twice.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:25 GMT
#38
From myself. To do well.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:32 GMT
#40
Personally? Near the end of D1.
Well, in irl games, I'd say it would have to be D3-D4 ish, but here, I need to see interactions. I need some time to be get in the zone.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 01:39 GMT
#42
Is there anyone who would like to talk?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:40 GMT
#44
So, how are you doing today?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:43 GMT
#46
Anyone know what my avatar picture thingy is? Is it a firebat?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:45 GMT
#49
I played terran, and I play terran in sc2 still, so I'm not switching.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:46 GMT
#51
No, look at bunnies' avatar, that's an scv.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 01:46 GMT
#53
Personally, I liked the vulture the best in sc:bw. Unfortunately, they removed in sc2... but hellions are ok, I guess.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 01:47 GMT
#55
offensive spider mines!
plus patrol micro!
personal fav unit.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:47 GMT
#56
On May 27 2014 10:47 slOosh wrote:
Ooh here's something.

What's your guys take on Alakaslam's style of posting?

I hate it.
But I'll have to make due.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 01:54 GMT
#60
So.... ummm....

Highest league in sc2?
I reached diamond in WoL.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 01:56 GMT
#63
???
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 01:58 GMT
#65
On May 27 2014 10:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
As entertaining as your two conversation is, can we scum hunt please?

Thanks...

it seems like everyone is in the dumps right now.

So lets make things interesting.

Come up with something that i have to incorporate into my reads/ a post/ or something, otherwise ill get lynched.

Cause why not.

???
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
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May 27 2014 02:02 GMT
#69
Why you though? I guess it will be fun.
How about this: you must, for the remainder of D1, include the letter 'z' in every post.
Why don't you guys put a restriction on me too?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:03 GMT
#70
nvrmind, go with jabber's suggestion cause he posted it first.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:03 GMT
#71
I want one, gimme!
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:06 GMT
#72
Anyone?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:09 GMT
#75
gotz it!
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:09 GMT
#76
zis will be hard, I post alot.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:10 GMT
#78
too late, jabberwockzerg!
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:11 GMT
#80
you can use it instead, jabberwockzerg!
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:15 GMT
#83
Well, to be fair, I'm a bit confuzzled (is that the right word?) too. Golden sun ends, and so does classroom, and now this.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 02:20 GMT
#87
It eez like this:
I'm playing a 32 player game!
It ends suddenly in a tie!
I'm also playing in classroom!
It ends due to my mistake!
Detention starts!
I have left over reads still stuck in my brain!
I'm still thinking about previous games!
Confuzzled!
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 02:22 GMT
#91
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia.
Zat counter point is invalid.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:24 GMT
#93
Hi haru! (did you get your name from the korean word 하루?)
you need to think up of a condition for yourself, or if you prefer, we shall think one up for you!

p.s. zis is hard, putting z in every post.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:25 GMT
#97
I like your creativity, bunniez, with your euphemisms.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:26 GMT
#100
Sure!
Haru, how much experience have you had in playing mafiaz?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:28 GMT
#101
On May 27 2014 11:24 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia.
Zat counter point is invalid.

Didn't realize that was public information
My bad

It iz not public information, I just read you guys as mafia.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 02:28 GMT
#102
On May 27 2014 11:28 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:24 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia.
Zat counter point is invalid.

Didn't realize that was public information
My bad

It iz not public information, I just read you guys as mafia.

I am ze genius.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 02:30 GMT
#104
On May 27 2014 11:28 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Sure!
Haru, how much experience have you had in playing mafiaz?



I realised I can't rap, so here I go:

I only lurk
And only look
In tl where I lurk and murk
I play mafia
In warcraft 3
Where I wait for 2 hours for 1 game
Yo yo yo

Heheh, I think zat you might be harder off than me?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 02:31 GMT
#105
Cuz rapping whenever asked a question? That's hard. Every single question.
We should just pepper you with questions to make you rap.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 02:33 GMT
#107
I'm not as certain.
But it is the best case so far.
I shall wait until later in ze day, I would like to formulate my own reads before voting.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 02:35 GMT
#110
On May 27 2014 11:34 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:31 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Guys, i really think jabber slipped here. Think about it, if he could put suspicion on chrom for playing differently, saying he was hiring an assasain last game, and could also be one this game, then we could fall for it.

The fact that he didn't know we knew who were tugging the buttons last game, he thought he could get away with it.


Well wham, bam, and thank you mam, we found one boys.


3/13 chance gamble anyone? ## Vote: jabberwockzerg

I don't like this.
If you're town, shouldn't it be a 3/12 chance?
Haru, what do you have to say about zat?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 02:39 GMT
#113
On May 27 2014 11:38 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I don't quite follow your logic. You put me on mafia last game, and I screwed up about if that was posted or not, but that makes me mafia this game? No comprende

You didn't follow your rule, jabberwockzerg!
Mafia confirmed!
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
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May 27 2014 02:43 GMT
#115
I don't like how jabberwockzerg was thrown off of his alphabet game thingy when he got called mafia. It looked to me like he was a deer in headlights there.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 02:46 GMT
#118
I was being expressive. Not stealing ze euphremism.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
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May 27 2014 02:47 GMT
#120
Do you guize want to make up these little rules for the people who are not yet here?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:49 GMT
#122
It really iz.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:52 GMT
#125
Mine is hard. I just have to sneak them in somehow.
I like how jabber's name includes a z. That makes it a lot ez-er.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:55 GMT
#128
You know what? I think that bunniez has the easiest rule so far.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:57 GMT
#131
Haru, why are you helping jabberwockzerg defend himself?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 02:58 GMT
#134
Maybe?
It is your choice whether or not you want to do it.
You don't have to do it, but it iz more fun.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 02:59 GMT
#136
On May 27 2014 11:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
You know what? I think that bunniez has the easiest rule so far.


I don't know about that. Once the game gets started, watch how difficult it will be for me to start calling people killing off the birds.

You could just say 'scum'.
Just sayingz.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 03:02 GMT
#140
I go to bed soonz.
Byebye.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 14:15 GMT
#191
I don't like palmar so far.
I do like fuba.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 14:15 GMT
#192
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
after I slept, I forgot about ze rules.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 18:58 GMT
#258
Okay.
##Vote: jabberwockzerg
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 19:00 GMT
#259
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 19:24 GMT
#263
Hi MZ~!
First post this game, no?
Greetings.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 19:30 GMT
#264
What I don't like right now is that my readz may change greatly on whether or not jabber flips scum.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 19:35 GMT
#267
On May 28 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So gobble is the only one who hasnt talked yet...

In a minute, im going to do a player analysis on each player... But Ive got to go do something real quick

Nope.
Gobble has talked.
MZ has talked the least.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 27 2014 20:15 GMT
#275
Originally, when I first saw that post, what came to my mind was that that counter point was invalid. So I called him out on it.
Today, when I reread that post, I couldn't find a reason why town would say that. So I voted him.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 20:20 GMT
#278
Hi amiko!
Palmar makes this post here, claiming that bunnies was mafia.
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"

When gobble asked him if it was a troll he said this:
On May 27 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:41 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:36 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"


??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game?


Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?".

Seems pretty ironclad to me.


No I don't think that's a valid case, I think you're trolling.


I'm not, why do you think I'm trolling.

Granted, I'm only about 2 pages or so into the game as we speak, + skimming Ninja's filter. But I feel pretty good about this. Could you elaborate on why you think I'm trolling? Or at least if there is something you don't understand in my case, ask for an explanation?

He denies that this is a joke.

And he hasn't done anything to promote his case against bunnies. No questions, no nothing. Only voting jwz.

Until I say that I don't like palmar.
And then, soon after, he says that he likes bunnies now.
Seems like he's avoiding my suspicion.


also, my last post didn't have a z in it.....
I think I might desert this rule thingy.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
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May 27 2014 20:25 GMT
#282
I liked fuba cuz he was uncertain of jwz lynch.
On May 27 2014 21:37 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 21:07 Chromatically wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:56 HaruRH wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Delicately, must I awkwardly introduce all of my posts and then just get on with them


I think that doing anything else other than leaving the subject as it is will make you an even likelier target for scrumm. Change the topic quickly

I don't like this choice of words so soon after you voted him, though. This makes it seem like you know he is town.


On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.

...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...

##Unvote

I disagree with this because it doesn't make sense as either alignment. It's clearly a bad move for town, and also for scum because it serves no purpose other than to make yourself look suspicious. However, it's more likely to come from scum because scum has factors like nervousness, wanting to look good/push something, artificial reads, etc that would cause them to slip up and lie for no reason.

I don't really see scum as more likely to post something like that so carelessly, particularly because I can see no reason to do so. It seems like too much oversight with no payoff.

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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
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May 27 2014 20:26 GMT
#283
On May 28 2014 05:23 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 05:15 Amiko wrote:
On May 28 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:
On May 28 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Assume jwz is town. Why would he push a case on chromatically that makes no sense? He knows that chrom wasn't mafia.
His case is invalid.

I think this is scummy given that sqrt had access to this information all the time (he was in the thread when jabber "slipped").

Here was his reaction at that time:

On May 27 2014 11:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

Nope. Last game, you, amiko, and epi was mafia.
Zat counter point is invalid.

Doesn't call him scum for it at all. Even later, he only once calls him scum, but just for being thrown off his alphabet game.

Now, however, when the jabber lynch has a lot of traction, he jumps on without any reasoning for changing his mind. There are plenty of additional points against jabber concerning his reaction, but that's not the justification sqrt gave. sqrt's explanation for his vote is inconsistent with how he originally reacted to jabber's post.


Could you clarify - are you suggesting that
(1) sqrt changed his mind from town to scum? or
(2) that sqrt changed his mind from neutral to scum?

Please also clarify if you feel sqrt would be a good lynch alternative to jabberwockzerg

My point was that sqrt previously did not have a scumread from that post, and now he wants to lynch jabber for that post with no additional justification, meaning that he's fabricating his read (I guess this is option 2). But, it is possible that he just reread it and changed his mind, as he says.

This was just one sqrt post I had a problem with, still want to lynch jabber by a long shot.


sqrt, is that jabber post the main reason why you are voting him? Like that's the best piece of evidence in your opinion?

The fact that his post here:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

Doesn't make any sense from a town perspective.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
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May 27 2014 20:30 GMT
#287
You know what, I'm abandoning my letter z thingy. I need to focus.
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sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 20:35 GMT
#289
I think that his slip is the strongest point against him so far.
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sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 21:52 GMT
#298
On May 28 2014 05:41 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 05:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think that his slip is the strongest point against him so far.

Do you disagree with my recent post about his explanations?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=14#271

No, I'm just saying that I believe the strongest point against him is the slip.
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sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 21:55 GMT
#299
On May 28 2014 06:33 mderg wrote:
Overall it´s just strange how almost everyone jumps on the wagon. IMO most lynches like this end up being wrong.

Actually, yes, this is true.
According to my previous experiences (cruisette mislynch in liii, cav mislynch in liv, sweetfrost mislynch and yellow suspection in lv), most lynches like this end up being wrong.
My second scum choice is palmar.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
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sqrtofneg1
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May 27 2014 21:57 GMT
#300
Actually, now that I think of it, it would yield more information to kill off jwz.
##Unvote
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#305
My point is this: Huge bandwagons always seem to be town bandwagons.
(cruisette mislynch in liii, cav mislynch in liv, sweetfrost mislynch and yellow suspection in lv, OdinofPergo in golden sun)

Jwz is my top scum read so far.

I was considering pushing a palmar lynch because he's my second scum read, and huge bandwagons always seem to be wrong.
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#311
You know what else I don't like?
Amiko's not as active as he usually is.
Yes, he's making big posts and big cases.
Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content.
But he's not as active.
Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like.
This game, not so much.
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#314
Personally, from irl experience, you definitely want to lynch for information. That's how I play.
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#318
It's not a problem. Yet.
I just think that's a bit unusual.
I have my eye on him.
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#327
So, what of my playstyle do you not like MZ?
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#335
On May 28 2014 09:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On May 28 2014 09:09 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
So, what of my playstyle do you not like MZ?

If you are suspicious of someone, push them. If you don't feel you have enough evidence yet then sit back and wait until you have enough evidence or you decide your suspicion was wrong. Don't post vague accusations.

That's how I play.
I post every little single thing I think of. I post every little single piece of doubt. I post every little single piece of suspicion.
I'll bring into light what I feel will be helpful to know, even if it is a tiny piece of evidence.
That's how I play, and if you don't like it, too bad.
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#338
Bunnies, can you tell me what you think of mderg?
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#342
On May 28 2014 09:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 28 2014 09:28 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Bunnies, can you tell me what you think of mderg?


Sure.

So mderg comes into the thread not liking the lynch on jabber, he believe jabber's slip isnt a slip at all. Just bad play.

O find it a bit weird he wants to lynch fuba over jabber, and i didnt really see a reason as to why in his filter, only that fuba was against the lynch of jabber, and now he is not.

Also i agree with him that everyone jumping on the wagon is a bit here.

If jabber is mafia, mderg could be as well for this hard defense of him.

If jabber is town, mderg could be a hipster mafia trying to gain town credibility.

Both scenerios points to him as mafia. I just dont see him as town, except that he is pretty sure jabber is a mislynch here,

Thanks for answering.
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#344
On May 28 2014 09:40 jabberwockzerg wrote:
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On May 28 2014 09:23 Chromatically wrote:
jabber can you address here please

On May 28 2014 05:05 Chromatically wrote:
Finally back at a computer. I'm totally fine lynching jabber for obvious reasons, but I still would like to hear him answer the things I asked him.

Here's the points I've had against him (partially stuff I've already said):

-He deliberately lied this game. As town, he would have had no reason to even think about lying. As scum, he could have felt like he should add something to the conversation/was nervous/a number of other explanations for a mistake. Yes, it's bad play as either alignment. But imagine yourself as town in his situation: there's no way you would lie about it.

-His explanations are inconsistent:
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:
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On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.


So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here.

You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not?

Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple.

Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us.

So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched.

Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely

"I didn't mean mafia, I just meant non-vanilla. Bad wording."

On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
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On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.


Just like this
I mean, I know this looks bad
but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

Here he agrees with gobble, who's saying that jabber didn't read the last mafia QT or didn't remember who was mafia (obviously not true)..? And also that it was an honest mistake.

On May 28 2014 00:36 jabberwockzerg wrote:
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On May 28 2014 00:26 Palmar wrote:
On May 27 2014 23:50 gobbledydook wrote:
Palmar I think there is actually a good motivation for him to say those words. If he had not read the last mafia qt to find out who was mafia and only relied on his memory and impressions, he would logically make that comment about differing playstyles. Sure what he said is factually incorrect but I believe it was an honest mistake.



He even posted in that QT, so he read it.

On May 28 2014 00:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Just like this
I mean, I know this looks bad
but this really is a case of Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"


Well explain to me what your point was meant to accomplish? I'm all ears buddy.

Keenly, I was trying to think of everything, leaving no stone upturned. I guess I got trapped under one of these stones

"I was trying to think of every possible scenario."

On May 28 2014 01:14 jabberwockzerg wrote:
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On May 27 2014 20:59 Chromatically wrote:
Also, read this whole page again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=5

bunnies starts by (presumably) joking about me being scum, not a serious push as evidenced by not voting.

On May 27 2014 11:19 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Both of you make a fair point, but I agree with bunnies.
If he's lurking (he probably is) he'll be quick to post something, which we can further use as more information comes to light

This is jabber's passive-agressive response. "he probably is" heavily implies that jabber has a strong scumread on me, which clearly doesn't make sense given that I've made one completely non-alignment indicative post. From a scum perspective, it makes sense for jabber to try to go with the flow of the thread and throw suspicion on me, but accidentally take it too far.

On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Definitely leaving towards scum though

Again, here he makes it seem as if he strongly thinks I'm scum, which just doesn't make sense unless he has a preset idea of what he wants to push my alignment as.

Lovely.
I was trying to get the game moving along, I was pretty pumped to start interrogating and scum reading, which isn't how I acted last game, when I was scum.
Lying about who was scum last game, I was trying to conceal information. I didn't realize that last game's roles were known, it would be beneficial for me if no one knew I was Mafia, just because there would be no real patterns of my play, and I could remain a wild card, which I thought could help me later.

"I was trying to conceal information to help me in this game."

These are all inconsistent with each other: it cannot be an "honest mistake" if he was deliberately concealing information, he clearly didn't mean that I could have been "non-vanilla", not necessarily mafia, if he was concealing information, etc. He's changing his explanation because he's just making them up: he doesn't have a real reason.

-His last explanation is scummy in and of itself, town has no reason to make themselves harder to read.

-He didn't explain himself earlier when he had the opportunity. Town would have explained themselves as soon as they were called out.

##Vote: jabberwockzerg


Certainly
Basically, I thought concealing information about myself would help me out in the long run. This belief, and the later admission of it, came from a fundamental misunderstanding of how this game is really played. This is what caused my initial post, and my explanations. Now, I'm learning more about what goes down and that as town, especially as town, the most important thing is to just be clear and honest and try to find the real scum.
This game is a lot more fun and layered than I first thought, and I can't wait to sink my teeth in.
It's really looking like a lynch at this point, so I'm grateful this shitstorm happened because I learned so much from it.

I like this post.
Here's his reason for concealing information: it would help him out in the long run.
I think he's town now.
##Unvote
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#346
He's new. That's why he thought concealing info would help.
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#347
Palmar is my top scum read so far.
##Vote: Palmar
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#350
On May 28 2014 09:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 28 2014 09:53 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
He's new. That's why he thought concealing info would help.


Did you read the mafia qt?

He basically was like, "should i play the noob card?"

I think him being new is not indicative of him being town.

True.

Well, what about my argument that all of these D1 wagons always seem to hit town?
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#351
On May 28 2014 09:56 Chromatically wrote:
Why is palmar scum please

On May 28 2014 05:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Hi amiko!
Palmar makes this post here, claiming that bunnies was mafia.
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"

When gobble asked him if it was a troll he said this:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:41 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:36 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"


??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game?


Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?".

Seems pretty ironclad to me.


No I don't think that's a valid case, I think you're trolling.


I'm not, why do you think I'm trolling.

Granted, I'm only about 2 pages or so into the game as we speak, + skimming Ninja's filter. But I feel pretty good about this. Could you elaborate on why you think I'm trolling? Or at least if there is something you don't understand in my case, ask for an explanation?

He denies that this is a joke.

And he hasn't done anything to promote his case against bunnies. No questions, no nothing. Only voting jwz.

Until I say that I don't like palmar.
And then, soon after, he says that he likes bunnies now.
Seems like he's avoiding my suspicion.


also, my last post didn't have a z in it.....
I think I might desert this rule thingy.

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#353
On May 28 2014 09:58 Chromatically wrote:
I'm trying to read through jabber's posts and see if this explanation is possible from a town perspective. The problem I'm reaching is that it would have to be really really bad town play, like completely bullshitting and making stuff up for no reason.

This.
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May 28 2014 00:59 GMT
#354
Slam, what do you think of Amiko so far?
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#356
On May 28 2014 10:00 Chromatically wrote:
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On May 28 2014 09:59 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:58 Chromatically wrote:
I'm trying to read through jabber's posts and see if this explanation is possible from a town perspective. The problem I'm reaching is that it would have to be really really bad town play, like completely bullshitting and making stuff up for no reason.

This.

I'm not saying he's town. Why do you think it's more likely that he's been town doing absolutely everything wrong as opposed to just being scum?

I'm not saying he's more likely that he's town.
I think that there's a possibility that he's town.
And I'm willing to take that chance b/c of previous experiences.
And also, I have a scum read on palmar.
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#358
We lynched sweetfrost.
We were going to lynch yellow, but me and some other guy(s) convinced you guys to switch, and we ended up lynching sweetfrost.
Both were town.
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#359
Here is the sqrtofneg1 rule so far:
If the person sqrtofneg1 votes at the end of day 1 is lynched, he is town.
If the person sqrtofneg1 votes at the end of day 1 is not lynched, he is scum.
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May 28 2014 01:16 GMT
#363
Well, that explanation worked for me.
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#367
So was yellow.
But we didn't lynch him.
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May 28 2014 01:19 GMT
#368
Here's what I think is going to happen, according to the sqrtofneg1 rule.
jwz is gonna be lynched, gonna flip vt.
Palmar is gonna end up scum.

I honestly don't think anyone will move their vote away from jwz. I don't expect anyone to, also.

But I kind of think he's town.
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#370
On May 28 2014 10:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
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On May 28 2014 10:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Here's what I think is going to happen, according to the sqrtofneg1 rule.
jwz is gonna be lynched, gonna flip vt.
Palmar is gonna end up scum.

I honestly don't think anyone will move their vote away from jwz. I don't expect anyone to, also.

But I kind of think he's town.

that is spot on

Okay then, if you've resigned to getting lynched D1, you might as well be useful before you die.
Who is top town?
Who is top scum?
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#372
On May 28 2014 10:22 jabberwockzerg wrote:
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On May 28 2014 10:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 28 2014 10:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 28 2014 10:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Here's what I think is going to happen, according to the sqrtofneg1 rule.
jwz is gonna be lynched, gonna flip vt.
Palmar is gonna end up scum.

I honestly don't think anyone will move their vote away from jwz. I don't expect anyone to, also.

But I kind of think he's town.

that is spot on

Okay then, if you've resigned to getting lynched D1, you might as well be useful before you die.
Who is top town?
Who is top scum?

just like, who I think is most likely each?

Yes.
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#375
Cause I don't think it will happen.
And I also think there's a good chance that jwz is scum too.
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#378
On May 28 2014 10:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 28 2014 10:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Cause I don't think it will happen.
And I also think there's a good chance that jwz is scum too.


Jabber is not scum, but there is a chance he is scum...

Hey do i want to vote you so badly right now?

Ask yourself that.
Also, why is your avatar still an scv?
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May 28 2014 01:42 GMT
#379
On May 28 2014 10:34 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Top Scum: Palamar
Just started out weird with the whole ninjabunnies vote and never really did anything
top town: any one of the people initially defending me, as most Mafia would want to turn the town against me ASAP

Please be specific with your top town read.
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#381
On May 28 2014 10:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 28 2014 10:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 28 2014 10:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 10:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Cause I don't think it will happen.
And I also think there's a good chance that jwz is scum too.


Jabber is not scum, but there is a chance he is scum...

Hey do i want to vote you so badly right now?

Ask yourself that.
Also, why is your avatar still an scv?


Idk what that means

Off topic, but that avatar thingy right next to your name?
Why is it still an scv?
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May 28 2014 01:48 GMT
#384
Have you never played starcraft?
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May 28 2014 01:51 GMT
#389
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SCV
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#394
The reason I ask is because I thought 250 posts was the thingy for moving up to marine.
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#397
Yeah, I know that, but I was confused b/c bunnies has almost 700 posts now, and she's still an scv.
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#399
Oh, time since joined. Never knew that.
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May 28 2014 02:11 GMT
#403
What if jwz is town? Who's next suspect?
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#404
On May 28 2014 11:10 Chromatically wrote:
man I am so good

y r u so gud
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#407
How did you get your name?
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#409
Yes.
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#411
It doesn't, but it's fun.
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May 28 2014 03:04 GMT
#413
Bedtime
bye
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May 28 2014 16:15 GMT
#458
Hi, I'm back.
I think we need to get a secondary wagon going.
Thoughts?
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May 28 2014 16:24 GMT
#460
Palmar.
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#463
I don't like him.
I posted my case on him here:
On May 28 2014 05:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Hi amiko!
Palmar makes this post here, claiming that bunnies was mafia.
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"

When gobble asked him if it was a troll he said this:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:41 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:36 gobbledydook wrote:
On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote:
Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game.

##Vote Ninjabunnies

it's because he wrote "XD"


??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game?


Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?".

Seems pretty ironclad to me.


No I don't think that's a valid case, I think you're trolling.


I'm not, why do you think I'm trolling.

Granted, I'm only about 2 pages or so into the game as we speak, + skimming Ninja's filter. But I feel pretty good about this. Could you elaborate on why you think I'm trolling? Or at least if there is something you don't understand in my case, ask for an explanation?

He denies that this is a joke.

And he hasn't done anything to promote his case against bunnies. No questions, no nothing. Only voting jwz.

Until I say that I don't like palmar.
And then, soon after, he says that he likes bunnies now.
Seems like he's avoiding my suspicion.


also, my last post didn't have a z in it.....
I think I might desert this rule thingy.

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#465
I still don't like him.
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#467
Good for you.
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#469
Thank you for explaining.

However, I still do not like you.
You're probably the guy with the most experience at mafia here, and really, what have you done so far?
Sheeping.

I'm willing to move off of you, but I still do not like you.
##Unvote
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#470
So... Umm.. any other thoughts on a secondary wagon?
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May 28 2014 18:00 GMT
#476
Well, not really.
i = √-1
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May 28 2014 18:14 GMT
#478
@amiko
What do you think of a second wagon?
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May 28 2014 19:00 GMT
#489
It's not that I don't want to vote jwz, it's that I would like to have a secondary wagon, so that we can make conclusions when jwz flips.

We have 6 hours.
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#501
On May 29 2014 04:11 Chromatically wrote:
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On May 29 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's not that I don't want to vote jwz, it's that I would like to have a secondary wagon, so that we can make conclusions when jwz flips.

We have 6 hours.

Can you explain your read on jabber and also your top scumreads?

Jabber - scum, but he might not be.
Top scumreads:
jwz
palmar
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#502
It might be beneficial if I didn't say this, but I think haru's blue.
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May 28 2014 19:34 GMT
#505
Amiko, what do you think of haru?
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#508
On May 29 2014 04:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 29 2014 04:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It might be beneficial if I didn't say this, but I think haru's blue.


Why?

Mostly the setup question.
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#511
On May 29 2014 04:34 Amiko wrote:
@sqrt:
Can you read through my comments on Palmar and let me know what you think?
I feel your suspicion of him based on his vote for bunnies is super weak...

Hmmm..
I guess you may be right.

I still want palmar to be more active, he's the 'vet' here.
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#513
On May 29 2014 04:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On May 29 2014 04:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It might be beneficial if I didn't say this, but I think haru's blue.


Why?

More importantly, why even reveal you think that if you're town -_-

???
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#515
On May 29 2014 04:38 Amiko wrote:
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On May 29 2014 04:34 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Amiko, what do you think of haru?


I posted on him just a bit ago and I think you read it...?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=25#499

I think HaruRH is scummy. I am not sure re: jabberwockzerg vs HaruRH... I didn't realize deadline was when it was, so I feel like there may not be time for Haru to respond to my points, whereas jabberwock has had time to respond and responded poorly. That's one reason I want to see more talk on Haru.

I did read it.
I should have phrased my question in a different way.
Do you think it's possible that haru's blue?
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May 28 2014 19:50 GMT
#523
Okay, fine.
##Unvote
##Vote: jabberwockzerg

Top scum read, but he may be town.
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May 28 2014 19:54 GMT
#526
Yes, really.
I have to go in about 2 hours, and I won't be back until tomorrow.
You have 2 hours to ask me questions and stuff.
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May 28 2014 19:58 GMT
#529
Your case on haru is good.
It has valid points on it, like the talking of roles.
But there's a possibility that he's town.
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May 28 2014 20:04 GMT
#532
I'm feeling overwhelmed.
Amiko's cases are pretty much completely against mine, and they make more sense.

I'm gonna go on a run to clear my head.
I'll be back in about an hour, post all questions and such for me.
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May 28 2014 21:38 GMT
#550
That's what I was trying to point out.
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May 28 2014 21:42 GMT
#551
I don't like this.
I now think jwz is town.
##Unvote
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May 28 2014 22:05 GMT
#554
I propose a new wagon:
Fuba.

He votes jwz, and then unvotes him the next post with this explanation:
On May 27 2014 15:31 fuba wrote:
But the last game was Classroom, the game that got remade. And since jabber was scum in that game, he knew that Chrom wasn't. Which means that he knew chrom wasn't scum, but suggested that possibility anyway. While I can't give an exact reason for scum|jabber to lie, I don't see any reason for town|jabber to.

...Though now that I think of it, unless the scumteam is the exact three people it was last time, then jabber would be incredibly unlikely to intentionally lie about who was on it, since at least one scum from last game would be town this game and would point out that he's lying. So either this was just a mistake on his part or I'm misunderstanding some part of the interaction. Either way, I'm pretty sure I've talked myself out of this...

##Unvote


Soon after, he votes him again.


His next significant post, and his last post is this:
On May 29 2014 06:35 fuba wrote:
Every vote wasn't on jabber. It's taken the majority of two days to get the vote to reach this point. There's been significant discussion about it, and there are legitimate reasons to consider him scum.

I'd also like to point out that jabber hasn't been defending himself or offering an alternative wagon for the last 20 hours or so. This tends to be a scum reaction to a large wagon building against them, rather than a town reaction.

If anyone has a specific person they'd like me to comment on, I might have time to squeeze in a filter dive before the deadline. My quick read through the thread didn't leave a whole lot of time for contemplation. I can say that no one struck me as more likely to be scum than jabber. I know a few people asked me specific questions, so I'll try to answer those in the meantime. Just gotta find 'em.

Has there been significant discussion about jwz?

Also, I disagree that the fact that he hasn't defended himself or offered an alternative wagon indicates that he's scum. I feel that jwz's attitude right now is more like a town who's resigned to being mislynched.

This guy hasn't made much contributions.
This guy doesn't look like town to me.
This guy is scum.

##Vote: fuba
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May 28 2014 22:05 GMT
#555
On May 29 2014 07:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sqrt you change your mind sooo much

Yes, I do.
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May 29 2014 17:28 GMT
#609
I'm back guys.
So jwz flipped town.
I'm assuming that probably all 3 mafia voted for jwz.
The only outliers were me and mderg.
I'm not mafia.
At least 2 mafia voted jwz.
I do not think it is bunnies or haru, they voted him really early, and that draws attention.
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May 29 2014 17:31 GMT
#610
The gobble and fuba interaction really, really looks like town interacting with town.
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May 29 2014 17:36 GMT
#612
Oh, and whoever gets rb'd should definitely claim.
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#613
On May 30 2014 02:36 Amiko wrote:
I guess it does evidence that he didn't read the OP, but I have seen town and scum both do that (for example, one or two newbie games back a few players thought they had a cop when they had a parity cop).

I just noticed we have a legit cop, not a parity cop.
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May 29 2014 17:38 GMT
#614
EBWOP
We have a possibility of having a legit cop, not a parity cop.
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May 29 2014 18:05 GMT
#621
Okay guys, question time.
After jwz's lynch, what can you gather from his filter?
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#624
On May 30 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:
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On May 30 2014 03:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 30 2014 02:52 slOosh wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote:
MZ not everyone in the game is mafia. fuba and haru look bad, jwz is your most likely scumread and you could get behind a lynch on me, and now you're telling sqrtofneg1 that he might be mafia, while in the same breath explaining to him how he can get you to drop your "suspicion".

Welcome to my scum tier.

Actually I didn't call sqrt scum, I was pointing out something that he's done which isn't helpful. I can have him correct that behavior and thus improve the town environment and maybe teach him something at the same time (which is after all the point of the game).


On May 28 2014 16:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
K sqrt I'm starting to have a serious problem here. You go from this:

On May 28 2014 10:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Here's what I think is going to happen, according to the sqrtofneg1 rule.
jwz is gonna be lynched, gonna flip vt.
Palmar is gonna end up scum.

I honestly don't think anyone will move their vote away from jwz. I don't expect anyone to, also.

But I kind of think he's town.


To this:

On May 28 2014 10:25 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt why are you not convincing people to vote for Palmar?


On May 28 2014 10:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Cause I don't think it will happen.
And I also think there's a good chance that jwz is scum too.


You can't "think he's town" and think he's scum too" at the same time. This is actually pretty scummy imo.

Oh hey 27NB:
On May 28 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 10:59 Chromatically wrote:
this is quite possibly the finest scumhunting tl has seen in ages


Hey im scumhunting....

So im thinking,

Team for mafia:

Jabber/Sqrt/mderg

Or

Jabber/palmer/mderg

Something like that,

Id lynch both jabber and mderg though

I also am really digging this post here although I disagree with mderg and I'd insert someone else, who I'm not sure of yet.

So Palmar, just so the record is straight, now I'm calling sqrt scum for clearly contradicting himself in an attempt to be vague and not get caught supporting the wrong person.

On May 29 2014 17:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 29 2014 11:33 Chromatically wrote:
On May 28 2014 19:44 Chromatically wrote:
MZ, what's your reasoning for Palmar being scum?

MZ answer this please, regardless of whether you hold the read now. What was your reasoning at the time?

My reason for wanting to lynch Palmar was stated here:
On May 28 2014 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:57 Palmar wrote:
No you just implied that what he was doing looked like something mafia might do.

If you're town, I would have expected this

"If you leave it vague like this, you're never going to convince anyone of following your example or agreeing with your read."

Because that sentence isn't loaded with agenda, like yours was

"If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand."

I may be reading too much into this, but it's bad form. If you want to affect his playstyle, don't do it in the same breath as you threaten him with a scumread..

I really don't think I threatened him with a scum read at all. I said that something he was doing could be seen as scummy. I never said that I thought he was scum because of what he was doing. And I'm not a fan of your insinuations that I'm calling everyone mafia. I have thus far stated my support for a jwz lynch, discussed that I'm looking at Haru and Fuba as possibilities for scum because of their defense of jwz (they've both responded, I haven't really reevaluated them yet), and I've stated I would support a lynch on you. That was primarily because you were acting like you didn't give a shit which I've seen in the past to be scumpalmar. That's not randomly flinging around accusations as you suggest.


At this point I'm not as convinced of Palmar's scumminess anymore because he's come in and been contributing a lot more than I would have expected out of scum Palmar. At the moment I don't have a burning scum read, I am probably most suspicious of sqrt because of the way he seems to drift with the general opinion of the thread like a willow in the wind. However I'm not sold that makes him scum yet, I wanna see him post for a little while longer before I make my mind up.

???

That's called a progression of a read sloosh. As you can see, at first I was not suspicious of sqrt and was simply pointing things out about his play for him to fix, then he posted more and I changed my mind because of new information. This is typically how one processes facts in a changing environment. I literally outline what's going on in the second post you quoted.

What has sqrt done that you would consider him town?

He thinks I'm scum.
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May 29 2014 21:59 GMT
#639
What I've learned from jwz's filter:
Nothing.
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May 29 2014 23:01 GMT
#642
@haru
You didn't put people such as amiko or MZ. What is your take on them?
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#647
On May 30 2014 08:17 Palmar wrote:
If I was mafia and wanted credit for not lynching him I wouldn't have been whipping people to stay with the lynch buddy. I have no idea where you're going with this.

So are you saying that you think that all of the people who didn't vote on jwz is town?
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#649
On May 30 2014 08:19 Palmar wrote:
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On May 30 2014 08:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 30 2014 08:17 Palmar wrote:
If I was mafia and wanted credit for not lynching him I wouldn't have been whipping people to stay with the lynch buddy. I have no idea where you're going with this.

So are you saying that you think that all of the people who didn't vote on jwz is town?

No.

Then explain what you mean please.
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#651
On May 30 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:
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On May 30 2014 08:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 30 2014 08:19 Palmar wrote:
On May 30 2014 08:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 30 2014 08:17 Palmar wrote:
If I was mafia and wanted credit for not lynching him I wouldn't have been whipping people to stay with the lynch buddy. I have no idea where you're going with this.

So are you saying that you think that all of the people who didn't vote on jwz is town?

No.

Then explain what you mean please.

Do I have to?

I'm not forcing you to.
But I don't really get what you're saying.
You call yourself town b/c you didn't stay on the jwz wagon, and you say that not everyone who went off the jwz wagon is town?
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#654
Okay, thanks for the reply.
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#656
Okay guys, I g2g, won't be back until tomorrow.
If I die:
You need to keep an eye on palmar, he needs to do more.
I like fuba, mderg, and amiko.
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#703
Back.
Too bad chrom died.

I'm a bit busy atm, be back soon.
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May 30 2014 15:41 GMT
#710
Okay, town totem so far:
Me
Amiko
Bunnies
mderg
Haru
gobble
Palmar
fuba
MZ
sloosh


And slam isn't on there cause I literally have no idea.

Townies:
Amiko is making cases, and he's doing work. Town
Bunnies was talking a lot D1, not as much since, but still decent enough to townread.
Mderg is town.
Haru is probably town.

Fencies:
Gobble null read
Palmar - he picked it up now, I don't wanna lynch him cause he's actually asking questions and being useful.

Mafia:
Fuba
MZ
Sloosh
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#714
On May 31 2014 03:52 Alakaslam wrote:
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On May 30 2014 23:13 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Back.
Too bad chrom died.

I'm a bit busy atm, be back soon.

lol

??
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May 30 2014 21:31 GMT
#724
##Vote: slOosh
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May 30 2014 21:52 GMT
#725
Sloosh isn't doing much. He does pretty much nothing D1, and now that he's under fire, he's pushing MZ, and defending himself.
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#726
@amiko, just for clarification, you also think MZ is scummy, but you think sloosh is scummier, am I correct?
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#763
On June 01 2014 08:54 Palmar wrote:
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On June 01 2014 08:43 Amiko wrote:
Please explain this (Palmar & fuba):

How do you not vote slOosh when nearly everything suspicious about M_Z also applies to slOosh, plus slOosh is scummier in other ways?

@Palmar:
You should also join my lynch on slOosh because fuba's play today is weird and he is pushing M_Z - if you don't see that I can argue about it.


I think fuba is town, I don't care if his play is weird.

This sloosh lynch is going too easily. We should do MZ.

Actually, this.
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh

It's just like the previous lynch, I don't like it.
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#771
On June 01 2014 09:01 Amiko wrote:
@sqrt:
(1) Do you think it's possible that you are getting played because of your reactions d1? I mean I was just writing that may be happening, since to me you seem like the prime person who might switch based on this "too easy" argument.

(2) Can you at least agree that fuba's play is weird today? He joined the thread making a case on you as if he was just stopping by and had been active in the thread

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On May 31 2014 15:45 fuba wrote:
I'm glad you mentioned sqrt, because he's someone who's stuck out to me.


but yet he doesn't discuss the active topics (Meepak & slOosh)

1. Maybe. Maybe I am.
2. Definitely. He didn't mention anything really about MZ or sloosh, and just made a case on me. This could go both ways though. While it is strange that he doesn't talk about the current wagons, as mafia it might be easier to jump on a wagon. If either of these are lynched and they flip town, it'll make fuba look more towny.
But I do agree that fuba's play is weird today.


I also agree that I haven't been playing as well as I should this day, but so are people such as bunnies.
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#772
Amiko, I have a question for you.
Who is the most townie, in your opinion, based on solely D2 play?
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#778
On June 01 2014 09:10 Amiko wrote:
I'm the most towny based on d2 and it's by a huge margin

Other than you, I mean.
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#779
On June 01 2014 09:12 Amiko wrote:
Also
@sqrt since I feel like I might actually convince you, do you really think it is likely that you complete today townreading slOosh?

Like, maybe it's possible you are unsure between M_Z and slOosh. But how do you townread slOosh?

Reason of too easy lynch. Like jwz's lynch.
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#783
Okay, let's say both sloosh and mz are scum. Who do you think is the remaining mafia? Who makes sense?
For me, I'd assume that fuba is, but what's your take?
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#785
Because it seems like you're the only one active, amiko, what do you think of palmar?
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#791
It isn't easy as yesterday's but it is easy enough to make me feel uneasy, and to vote against it.
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#794
Both MZ and sloosh are the same level of scummyness in my eyes. I went for the non majority.
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#796
They've certainly convinced a couple of people.
Me, not as much.
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#800
On June 01 2014 09:40 Amiko wrote:
Okay, so do you think these points are wrong?
What is wrong?

also @Palmar and @fuba you should be answering this too

He could just be lazy town, as palmar (or was it fuba?) said.
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#803
On June 01 2014 09:42 Amiko wrote:
Anyone can be 'lazy town' for not commenting on some points.
I don't think it can be lazy town when you don't discuss any of the wagons at all, especially after you tell someone to bring any they have up

Are you talking about me?
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#807
Yes. I do.
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#810
I don't like this either now.
There's still a possibility that both of these guys are just town.
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#811
Right now, it's 5:5 votes. (gobble hasn't voted yet)
I think the best play now is to see the flip of whoever gets lynched, and start to piece together the puzzle from there.
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#817
On June 01 2014 09:57 HaruRH wrote:
Pretty sure sloosh is still dead unless someone changes fast.
In fact, this day gave us tons of information. Somebody have just exceeded 50% scum level..

I agree. This day is full of information.
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#818
Here's my thoughts.
There is bound to be at least one mafia on each of the wagons.
Let us say only one of these guys are mafia. The mafia that's on his wagon could switch to the other wagon easily, because people are switching last minute, and then get town lynched.
Let us say both these guys are mafia. There will likely be no more mafia switching.
Let us say both these guys are town. There will likely be no more mafia switching.

Depending on the flip, these guys are either both town, or both mafia.
Here comes the flip.
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#820
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#830
Surprise.
I had a huge case written out against amiko, but that ruins it all.
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#835
Really sorry for suspecting you, amiko.
Like seriously.
I was 10000000000000000% sure you were scum.
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#838
No, I don't want to post cases that I don't believe in anymore.
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#842
I'm just gonna go into the corner now, and sheep amiko from now on.
I've done nothing of value this game.
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#850

AMIKO!!!

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#854
Okay, I don't want this to be my first game ever where I don't catch a single scum.
Totem:
Amiko
Me
Anyone who voted sloosh (except MZ)
Fuba/Haru - Their reaction to the flip was what I was thinking. aka they thought amiko was scum, like me.
Palmar
MZ

We lynch MZ then Palmar, comprendre?
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#855
MZ or palmar scum.
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#860
On June 01 2014 11:30 HaruRH wrote:
Hahaha you placed amiko as higher town than you.

On purpose.
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#905
On June 02 2014 02:41 Amiko wrote:
I'd like comments on the following so I can try to read you guys a little better.

@sqrt, @Alakaslam:
Look at slOosh's death post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=38#747)
Then, could tell me what you think of this post:
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On June 01 2014 11:32 HaruRH wrote:
In fact, I think we should lynch everyone on sloosh's 'death list'.


It was funny that sloosh wanted gobbles pressured, even though gobbles was his teammate. I think that an M_Z lynch is justifiable.

As for Haru's post, I'm in agreement with it. I think we should lynch MZ.
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#906
Here's my thoughts on who's mafia by PoE.
People left:
bunnies
MZ
mderg
Haru
Me
Amiko
Slam
Fuba
Palmar

Okay, I'm not scum. Amiko isn't either.
bunnies
MZ
mderg
Haru
Me
Amiko

Slam
Fuba
Palmar

Next, eliminate all people who voted sloosh over MZ(except MZ himself). Why do we do this? Because if we assume that MZ is town, then it would make no sense for mafia to vote sloosh over MZ(except possibly not being around @ deadline).
bunnies
MZ
mderg
Haru
Me
Amiko
Slam

Fuba
Palmar

Now what? I don't think Haru is scum. He thought amiko was mafia prior to the flip, and think about it. If he were mafia, it would be really really risky to go against amiko b/c when we lynch sloosh and he flips scum, he'd look really bad. It would have been easy for haru to just sheep him without taking any risk.
bunnies
MZ
mderg
Haru
Me
Amiko
Slam

Fuba
Palmar

And I also don't think fuba's mafia. He makes a good post against gobble here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=30#597 Would he do that if he were mafia? No, I don't think so.
bunnies
MZ
mderg
Haru
Me
Amiko
Slam
Fuba

Palmar

And thus, MZ or Palmar is mafia.
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June 01 2014 21:46 GMT
#907
Clarification: we kill MZ first, and if he flips town, we can probably just clear the people who voted sloosh over MZ.
Then who's left? Palmar.
If both MZ and Palmar flip town, then I'd be worried.
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June 01 2014 22:27 GMT
#909
On June 02 2014 07:26 Alakaslam wrote:
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On June 02 2014 06:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On June 02 2014 02:41 Amiko wrote:
I'd like comments on the following so I can try to read you guys a little better.

@sqrt, @Alakaslam:
Look at slOosh's death post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=38#747)
Then, could tell me what you think of this post:
On June 01 2014 11:32 HaruRH wrote:
In fact, I think we should lynch everyone on sloosh's 'death list'.


It was funny that sloosh wanted gobbles pressured, even though gobbles was his teammate. I think that an M_Z lynch is justifiable.

As for Haru's post, I'm in agreement with it. I think we should lynch MZ.

If you think it is weird sloosh mentioned his teammate why do you not think it is weird that he mentions M-Z?!?!

Because MZ was under pressure when he wrote that down. It would do him no good to say that he liked MZ.
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June 02 2014 00:39 GMT
#910
A couple minutes before day, and I g2g now.
If I die:
Kill MZ and Palmar in that order.
kthxbye
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June 02 2014 03:39 GMT
#941
I wasn't roleblocked.
No use in getting the blue guys claiming yet.
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June 02 2014 15:29 GMT
#948
Here's what we have.
2 different roleblock claims; slam and mderg.
At least one of them are true, possibly both.
I would recommend clearing them as town for the time being.


As I stated before:
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
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June 02 2014 17:22 GMT
#952
Here's something that might (but probably isn't) prove to be important.
Gobble was modkilled, not replaced.
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June 02 2014 18:35 GMT
#955
I think that it is possible that after sloosh died, we would know that he's mafia, and not go for his scumreads. He scumread gobble and mz, and gobble flipped scum. I think he scumread them so that he was protecting them from being lynched.
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June 02 2014 20:23 GMT
#956
Anyone wanna talk?
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June 02 2014 20:38 GMT
#960
On June 03 2014 05:35 Amiko wrote:
Sqrt I'm not really sure if you are responding to the first part or the second there...

We know slOosh is goon. If M_Z is scum, he is roleblocker.
I think it was became clear that one of those two players was going to get lynched d2.
If you were scum in that situation, if all other things were equal, you would probably want the roleblocker (M_Z in that case) to survive.

However, slOosh fights to survive the lynch, M_Z does not.
This suggests that maybe if they were both scum, slOosh would have preferred M_Z die instead of himself.

I just want to know if you think that argument makes sense, and if you disagree, what part you disagree with.

For me, I don't find it sufficient (though I guess I didn't go through the reasons) but I thought it was worth talking about, especially since it feels like people aren't really playing anymore.

Assume that MZ is mafia rb.
Sloosh, in his dying words tell us to attack MZ and then go for gobble. Gobble was scum.
What if sloosh is protecting MZ by telling us to attack MZ?
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June 02 2014 20:40 GMT
#961
On June 03 2014 05:37 Amiko wrote:
@sqrt-
I remember you were scumreading Palmar somewhat when he voted on bunnies early and questioned his reasons.

Why did you react differently when bunnies voted you early (you didn't ask if bunnies was serious, etc.)?

b/c that was obviously joking? First post?
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June 02 2014 21:55 GMT
#968
On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.

If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads.

I personally can't obtain anything from dead townie's reads. I am literally incapable of doing so.
They're reads. They're not posts with the answer in them. However, scum's reads have a higher chance of having the answers in them, because scum already knows the answer to this problem. Which is why I focus on them, rather than town reads. I just take them as their final thoughts.
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June 02 2014 22:01 GMT
#970
On June 03 2014 06:58 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 06:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.

If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads.

I personally can't obtain anything from dead townie's reads. I am literally incapable of doing so.
They're reads. They're not posts with the answer in them. However, scum's reads have a higher chance of having the answers in them, because scum already knows the answer to this problem. Which is why I focus on them, rather than town reads. I just take them as their final thoughts.

You can definitely take something from the reads scum give but this is about the last reads. A townie will give honest reads but a scum that´s almost dead might do everything.

Town's last reads are honest, yes. But like I said, they're just reads. They're just guesses.

Scum knows the answer. Even if his reads are lies, they make up those lies with the knowledge of the truth.

imo scum last reads are much more substantial than town ones.
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June 02 2014 22:34 GMT
#972
On June 03 2014 07:05 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 07:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On June 03 2014 06:58 mderg wrote:
On June 03 2014 06:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On June 03 2014 05:46 Amiko wrote:
I mean it's possible but I don't see why it's compelling either way.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he wants them to appear towny.
- Maybe he's attacking the people because he thinks it will make him seem more towny.
- Maybe he put one mafia in his list, maybe two.
There's no reliable way to figure out his intentions, so I don't really feel that it's useful to pry that deeply into them.

If you really want to focus on players' last words, why aren't you looking at town players instead?
> What do you think of Chrom's pre-death reads?
> What about bunnies' pre-death reads?
Compared to slOosh, at least you know these players were probably giving their honest reads.

I personally can't obtain anything from dead townie's reads. I am literally incapable of doing so.
They're reads. They're not posts with the answer in them. However, scum's reads have a higher chance of having the answers in them, because scum already knows the answer to this problem. Which is why I focus on them, rather than town reads. I just take them as their final thoughts.

You can definitely take something from the reads scum give but this is about the last reads. A townie will give honest reads but a scum that´s almost dead might do everything.

Town's last reads are honest, yes. But like I said, they're just reads. They're just guesses.

Scum knows the answer. Even if his reads are lies, they make up those lies with the knowledge of the truth.

imo scum last reads are much more substantial than town ones.

I disagree with you then.

Looks like we've reached an impasse.
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June 03 2014 02:23 GMT
#980
On June 03 2014 11:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 09:17 Palmar wrote:
Do I have to care?

Do
I have
To
To care
Oh man oh man oh man

That acronym.
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June 03 2014 03:07 GMT
#982
On June 03 2014 11:44 Amiko wrote:
Two people that (imo) aren't likely night kills (sqrt and haru) both have Palmar as the second highest scumread after M_Z.
If we hit wrong on M_Z, then Palmar is someone who should get attention, and given that he is barely playing it seems to me that it'd be better to try to get him to play now instead of later.

I don't really see why we need to wait for tomorrow to ask questions.
I recognize if Palmar/Alakaslam don't really want to play mafia, I can't make them play the game.
If M_Z flips scum, fine. If not, I'll certainly have this interaction to consider too.

Well, there's really nothing going on so far.
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June 03 2014 17:18 GMT
#992
On June 03 2014 08:58 Amiko wrote:
@sqrt:
I mostly disagree with you. I mean, there's no certainty that scum will kill someone because they are right.
(Though, I do think that tends to be the case on day 1, at least)
But even if you don't know if the town is right, you can still look at their filters and see if they made points that might have made the mafia decide to kill them.

Ex: consider Chromatically's last couple of posts.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=Chromatically&page=3
His top three scum were:
(1) slOosh
(2) M_Z
(3) gobble
If you were scum and saw that, don't you think he might make for a tempting n1 kill?

Yes.
On June 03 2014 08:58 Amiko wrote:
I don't find reviewing bunnies' filter to be useful, though. Since she didn't read d2, and her last post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=44#867) is pretty inconclusive imo.
About all I can say is that she didn't think fuba was scum. But I don't even know if this is helpful; my suspicion of fuba is mostly from d2 (which I guess she didn't read) so I feel like her post doesn't give us as much to work with.

Scum filters can help too, you are right.
But, I feel like the most useful stuff is things you recognize as slips in retrospect...
I think a post from scum when that player is gaining votes and is a likely lynch is just too wifomy.

I am incapable of figuring stuff out from dead town's filters.
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June 03 2014 19:14 GMT
#994
On June 04 2014 04:14 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm sick. Co-host in charge now

Get well soon!
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June 03 2014 23:10 GMT
#1000
About 2 hours left in day...
Nothing is happening....
Let's talk guys.
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June 03 2014 23:13 GMT
#1002
On June 04 2014 08:13 fuba wrote:
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh

Bleh, I had this whole thing written up but I refreshed the page and it got erased. Was basically just apologizing for being MIA and saying that MZ seemed like a pretty set lynch, so time felt better spent on projects (and reading the new Dresden Files book, and trying out Heroes of the Storm, but mostly the final projects).

You got the alpha key? Lucky!
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June 03 2014 23:16 GMT
#1004
I didn't get the hs beta key either...
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June 04 2014 00:52 GMT
#1018
I'm pretty sure that BH rnged the roles?
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June 04 2014 00:56 GMT
#1020
MZ's whining (is that the right word?) seems legitimate.
He's down and set that he's dead.
I think he's town now.
Too late to switch though.
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June 04 2014 00:58 GMT
#1022
?
Which one?
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June 04 2014 00:59 GMT
#1024
It's only in one minute...
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June 04 2014 01:00 GMT
#1026
Oh right, BH is away or something so the flip is an hour or so late.
I forgot.
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June 04 2014 01:22 GMT
#1028
Aww....
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#1067
On June 04 2014 16:20 HaruRH wrote:
Sqrt:

What is your rationale for moving off fuba after d1?
Any strong reasons why?
Who are your top 2 scum reads now?

1. He looked towny to me after that.
2. This post is huge:
On May 31 2014 15:45 fuba wrote:
I'm glad you mentioned sqrt, because he's someone who's stuck out to me.

His reason for unvoting jabber and voting palmar was that lynches like that end up being wrong. It turns out that he was right, but isn't that a really, really strange reason to unvote someone when you have legitimate reasons to believe he's scum in front of you? Then he swaps back to jabber in order to get more information, even though he thinks palmar is scummier. He then unvotes jabber because of his defense. Not the content of his defense, because that was scummy. He basically unvoted because jabber gave A reason. It wasn't a "too scummy to be scum" argument, it was just - he gave a reason, I think he's town. Then while interacting with Chrom, he says that he doesn't think jabber is town (except he actually did explicitly say "I think he's town now."), but he thinks there's a possibility that jabber is town. This is a really strange thing to say as town because unless someone is somehow modconfirmed scum, there is always the possibility that they're town. That's a given, it's understood by everyone. But he reiterates the fact that he thinks jabber is scummy, but might be town, but might also be scum, about 3-4 times.

There's also the fact that he says he wants to lynch jabber for the information earlier on in the day, and later says that he gained no information from the lynch. Clearly his reason for voting jabber at that time was bs, because if you've noticed something that will give you information based on jabber's flip, that thing doesn't just disappear.

Then there's his read of me. He suggests me as a possible scum wagon rivaling that of jabber. Seems to indicate that he's really sure of it. But when jabber flips town, which I would have expected to increase his scumread on me, he doesn't mention me at all. Nothing whatsoever until:
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On May 30 2014 02:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
The gobble and fuba interaction really, really looks like town interacting with town.


This isn't something you say about your strong scumread.

However:
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On May 30 2014 09:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay guys, I g2g, won't be back until tomorrow.
If I die:
You need to keep an eye on palmar, he needs to do more.
I like fuba, mderg, and amiko.


I'm back on his town list. On the same level as mderg and amiko, who I feel is almost positively town. I went from one of his top scumreads to one of his towniest reads, after the jabber lynch revealed that whatever small contributions I had were in favor of what turned out to be a mislynch. And even if I'm reading too much into me being on this list with amiko, he still considers me town. I don't see why this would be his reaction to the D1 lynch.

But the next day:
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On May 31 2014 00:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, town totem so far:
Me
Amiko
Bunnies
mderg
Haru
gobble
Palmar
fuba
MZ
sloosh


And slam isn't on there cause I literally have no idea.

Townies:
Amiko is making cases, and he's doing work. Town
Bunnies was talking a lot D1, not as much since, but still decent enough to townread.
Mderg is town.
Haru is probably town.

Fencies:
Gobble null read
Palmar - he picked it up now, I don't wanna lynch him cause he's actually asking questions and being useful.

Mafia:
Fuba
MZ
Sloosh


Suddenly I'm back on the scumlist. These are the only mentions of me after his case. This is more than just changing his mind, this is two unexplained and absolute reversals of his read - after an event that should have straight-up solidified his scumread of me if it was legitimate.

And finally there's the little things, like the fact that he started the game talking about himself being mafia, and that he seemed concerned about having said "I've rolled mafia twice" instead of "I've never rolled mafia except twice", when it would have been clear what he meant without the correction. And pointing out someone who might be blue even though there's no reason for town to do so.

I'm actually getting too tired to keep my eyes open at this point, so I'll leave it at this for now. I'll take a closer look at slOosh and MZ tomorrow, and see if I think either one is scummier than sqrt. I've read the cases, but haven't filtered them too well. In case it wasn't clear in my last post, I'm really unsure about gobble at this point. He did ignore my questions, he does feel like he's not reading everything I'm writing, and it feels like he's simply refusing to believe I could possibly be town. Could be stubborn, could be scum. I don't know anymore, and it seems like it's kinda off the table for the moment. Even if he is scum, there's two others out there so I'm looking for them for now.

##Vote: sqrtofneg1

I like his thought process.
3.Top 2 scumreads? Palmar and ???
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June 04 2014 17:15 GMT
#1072
On June 05 2014 02:04 HaruRH wrote:
I doubt we have a medic (or we have one which fails every night). Cop seems improbable since a red would have been found out by now, given that everyone wanted to lynch sloosh/gobble/MZ.

So we only have one blue role?
Nope.
I'm guessing we have a watcher, and either a cop or a doctor.
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June 04 2014 17:22 GMT
#1074
On June 05 2014 02:20 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 02:04 HaruRH wrote:
On June 04 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote:
Discussing the setup is fine btw.

If my count is right, tomorrow we'll be 6 people alive.

mderg
HaruRH
sqrtofneg1
Amiko
Alakaslam
fuba
Palmar

that's 5v1.

I would suggest in a 5v1 scenario that town no-lynches, bringing it down to 4v1 (and that's when claims should happen at latest) -> lynch -> nk -> 2v1 (lylo).

The reason we should no-lynch is that it gives cop/watcher additional night to work with. Of course mafia might decide to not shoot in the 5v1 scenario forcing us to lynch, but in that case just lynch.


Since Bh just stated no no-lynches, we can only go with:
5v1 -> role claims
3v1 -> lylo

I doubt we have a medic (or we have one which fails every night). Cop seems improbable since a red would have been found out by now, given that everyone wanted to lynch sloosh/gobble/MZ.

We have to have two of cop/medic/watcher. I'm leaning towards there not being a cop, but I wouldn't rule it out just yet. And if there's a medic/watcher or both, I'd bet they're keeping an eye on Amiko, which is why scum keep getting kills off. I'm not suggesting they stop (medic/watcher), just explaining what I'm seeing.

About to read through your thoughts again, will be back with thoughts of my own ^^

Medic can't save same person twice in a row.
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June 04 2014 17:37 GMT
#1077
On June 05 2014 02:33 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 02:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:20 fuba wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:04 HaruRH wrote:
On June 04 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote:
Discussing the setup is fine btw.

If my count is right, tomorrow we'll be 6 people alive.

mderg
HaruRH
sqrtofneg1
Amiko
Alakaslam
fuba
Palmar

that's 5v1.

I would suggest in a 5v1 scenario that town no-lynches, bringing it down to 4v1 (and that's when claims should happen at latest) -> lynch -> nk -> 2v1 (lylo).

The reason we should no-lynch is that it gives cop/watcher additional night to work with. Of course mafia might decide to not shoot in the 5v1 scenario forcing us to lynch, but in that case just lynch.


Since Bh just stated no no-lynches, we can only go with:
5v1 -> role claims
3v1 -> lylo

I doubt we have a medic (or we have one which fails every night). Cop seems improbable since a red would have been found out by now, given that everyone wanted to lynch sloosh/gobble/MZ.

We have to have two of cop/medic/watcher. I'm leaning towards there not being a cop, but I wouldn't rule it out just yet. And if there's a medic/watcher or both, I'd bet they're keeping an eye on Amiko, which is why scum keep getting kills off. I'm not suggesting they stop (medic/watcher), just explaining what I'm seeing.

About to read through your thoughts again, will be back with thoughts of my own ^^

Medic can't save same person twice in a row.

Did BH clarify that somewhere? I don't see it in the OP.

It was that way the last time.
I guess not this game.
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June 04 2014 18:34 GMT
#1079
On June 05 2014 02:57 fuba wrote:
I just checked out the votes from the SlOosh lynch again, and I feel like there's a really strong chance that all scum were on the MZ wagon D2, or the last one could have switched over and gotten a mislynch. Amiko was right in that since I was wrong, I was giving scum the chance to switch over to MZ easily. The fact that they didn't makes me feel that one of Palmar/sqrt/Haru is scum. I've already explained why I don't think sqrt and Haru are scum, so that leaves me with Palmar for tomorrow's lynch.

This.
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June 04 2014 21:49 GMT
#1087
On June 05 2014 05:54 Amiko wrote:
(I became a firebat :3)

Yay! Join the firebats.
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June 05 2014 00:44 GMT
#1089
Okay, be back right after the flip, but I g2g now.
If I die:
Palmar is mafia.
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June 05 2014 01:05 GMT
#1104
I AM DOCTOR!!!
Seriously.
I saved Amiko - Haru - Amiko.
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June 05 2014 01:07 GMT
#1105
So that's why you were doing that amiko!
Amiko + sqrt dream team!
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June 05 2014 01:08 GMT
#1108
Same number of posts too.
Now is when I start thinking that BH didn't rng the roles.
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#1109
On June 05 2014 10:08 Amiko wrote:
(But it's goofy that you didn't realize you can save the same person more than once, lol)

Yes, it really is.
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June 05 2014 01:09 GMT
#1110
##Vote: Palmar
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June 05 2014 01:14 GMT
#1112
On June 05 2014 10:13 fuba wrote:
##Vote: Palmar

I can agree with the first half of the lynch list XD

You're in the first half?
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June 05 2014 01:20 GMT
#1115
Here's the problem now that we've got both of us blues claimed.
Mafia can deal with both of us in one night phrase.
Mafia rbs one of us, and kills the other.
So, amiko, I would highly recommend opening your D3 check.
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#1117
On June 05 2014 10:20 Amiko wrote:
@Fuba and @Palmar, your should take a serious look at mderg and see if there's any case to be made.

I felt the only suspicious thing he did was that he agrees with me a lot. But, his play is pretty good overall - I think he's a fairly reliable town pick, and it's tough for me to believe that scum would not use their roleblock on n2 knowing there is a cop in the game.

Maaaan, I am disappointed there's no watcher, though. I really thought there was. x.x

This.
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#1119
On June 05 2014 10:21 Amiko wrote:
I was roleblocked so it isn't relevant. I don't mind revealing it, though, but I want Palmar and mderg to come to thread and confirm they are not claiming a blue role before I do so.

Oh. I didn't catch that.
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June 05 2014 01:29 GMT
#1124
On June 05 2014 10:24 Amiko wrote:
I do think saving Haru n2 is crazy though :p

I felt sure scum would kill someone who voted for slOosh, and since I had been raising points on Haru I figured he would be a good target to mislynch (so wouldn't be killed)

Maaaaan I died N2 things would be crazy :s

I had mad townreads on haru though. And I thought I couldn't save you again.
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#1125
On June 05 2014 10:25 Amiko wrote:
EBWOP: If I died

Anyway sqrt, you and I should take a look at mderg too, I think we're in pretty good shape though.
(Haru you too)

I like mderg. I think he's town.
Genuinely trying to figure the game out.
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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 05 2014 16:34 GMT
#1208
Listen guys, this game is really really easy right now.
D2's vote count:
On June 01 2014 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote count:


Meapak_Ziphh (5) - HaruRH, Palmar, mderg, SlOosh, fuba, sqrtofneg1, HaruRH
slOosh(5) - Amiko, Alakaslam, HaruRH, sqrtofneg1, mderg, 27ninjabunnies, Meapak_Ziphh
Sqrtofneg1(0) - fuba

Not voting (1) : - gobbledydook


Currently slOosh is set to be lynched!

Day ends in



Sloosh was mafia, MZ was town. Therefore mafia should have voted MZ.

Palmar, SlOosh, fuba, sqrtofneg1, HaruRH voted MZ.

Palmar, SlOosh, fuba, sqrtofneg1, HaruRH

sloosh is confirmed mafia, I'm blue, haru is cop checked as town.
Palmar or fuba mafia.
We lynch one of them today, the other one next day. ezpz.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 05 2014 16:36 GMT
#1211
Well, he is playing right now.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 05 2014 16:37 GMT
#1213
I guess if you pull off some wifom there is a possibility that mderg could be the last mafia, but that would be superb play by him.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 05 2014 16:40 GMT
#1215
On June 06 2014 01:38 Amiko wrote:
Let's be honest, it's possible but it's too remote. Even if mderg had been on the M_Z wagon I think Fuba and Palmar would arguably make better lynches.

Yep. I'm not lynching mderg.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 05 2014 16:54 GMT
#1224
Well, here's something that I don't get.
If you're not mafia, why aren't you pushing people who you think are mafia?
If I were you, I'd be trying to get everyone to vote for fuba.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 05 2014 17:02 GMT
#1232
On June 06 2014 02:00 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 01:54 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, here's something that I don't get.
If you're not mafia, why aren't you pushing people who you think are mafia?
If I were you, I'd be trying to get everyone to vote for fuba.

I'm not convinced it's fuba.

So if you guys could all be dears and start trying to figure out. Just pretend for the next 24 hours that I'm confirmed town, and go scumhunt the other two. Use reasons and stuff.

Then you can come back to me and lynch me. But it's hard to scumhunt when people are constantly pushing me as mafia for awful reasons.

Here's the thing.
It's either you or fuba. I'm lynching both you and fuba. The only question remaining is who to lynch first.

I believe that you're a more competent player, and that if you were mafia, it'd be easier for you rather than fuba to wiggle your way out of a lynch.
So you're my target today.
If you're not mafia, it's fuba.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 05 2014 17:06 GMT
#1237
On June 06 2014 02:03 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 02:02 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On June 06 2014 02:00 Palmar wrote:
On June 06 2014 01:54 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, here's something that I don't get.
If you're not mafia, why aren't you pushing people who you think are mafia?
If I were you, I'd be trying to get everyone to vote for fuba.

I'm not convinced it's fuba.

So if you guys could all be dears and start trying to figure out. Just pretend for the next 24 hours that I'm confirmed town, and go scumhunt the other two. Use reasons and stuff.

Then you can come back to me and lynch me. But it's hard to scumhunt when people are constantly pushing me as mafia for awful reasons.

Here's the thing.
It's either you or fuba. I'm lynching both you and fuba. The only question remaining is who to lynch first.

I believe that you're a more competent player, and that if you were mafia, it'd be easier for you rather than fuba to wiggle your way out of a lynch.
So you're my target today.
If you're not mafia, it's fuba.

So you're lynching me out of fear?

Sure.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 05 2014 17:30 GMT
#1243
On June 06 2014 02:29 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 02:28 Amiko wrote:
Whether you are town or scum, you have an incentive to stay and respond.
If you want to go AFK go for it, but I don't think it'll help you.

Well I'm not exactly sure what'll help me.

I'm doing my best but you've got your head so firmly up your ass nothing I say is getting through.

I don't like this attitude.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 05 2014 17:30 GMT
#1244
This attitude isn't gonna help you.
Argue all you want, but insulting won't help.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 05 2014 19:26 GMT
#1261
On June 06 2014 04:21 Palmar wrote:
Actually no.

my day 1 reads tend to be solid

##unvote
##vote fuba

So do mine.
And mine says that you're mafia.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 06 2014 21:42 GMT
#1366
Sorry for being away guys.
Palmar looks town, but I'm not gonna desert my D1 scumread. So far, I've been able to pin at least one mafia on D1.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 06 2014 21:44 GMT
#1367
*correction: I've been able to pin at least one mafia on D1 if I'm vanilla town, which I'm not this time.

I cannot play blue roles. I am incapable of playing them well.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 06 2014 21:54 GMT
#1369
On June 07 2014 06:51 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 06:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
*correction: I've been able to pin at least one mafia on D1 if I'm vanilla town, which I'm not this time.

I cannot play blue roles. I am incapable of playing them well.

being a blue role should in no way impact your scumhunting ability.

Unfortunately, it does.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 06 2014 23:32 GMT
#1372
As a side note, I'm absolutely loving these fanfics by haru and palmar.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 07 2014 01:20 GMT
#1397
Okay, it's fuba then.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 07 2014 01:22 GMT
#1398
Okay, here's what gonna happen.
Either Amiko or I will die this time around (I'm guessing amiko), and the other is gonna be roleblocked.
And then, when it's day, town is gonna lynch fuba to a win. Got it?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 07 2014 01:30 GMT
#1400
While you're still alive, amiko, I would like a percentage of what you think the odds are of fuba being mafia vs mderg being mafia.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 08 2014 01:39 GMT
#1439
Roleblocked!
As expected.
GG Amiko, I tried to save you...
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 08 2014 01:39 GMT
#1440
##Vote: fuba
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 09 2014 17:33 GMT
#1459
Ladies and gentlemen, Fuba is mafia.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 10 2014 02:30 GMT
#1484
Hey look! My first game where I missed every single thing!
I should go back to playing newbies...

gg guys!
Imaginary
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