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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 29 2014 03:24 Alakaslam wrote: None that remain clear in my mind. However I remember palmar had some sway? M_Z looked a little scummy to him but I think I disagreed. Disagree with the case itself or the read? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On May 29 2014 03:14 sqrtofneg1 wrote: @amiko What do you think of a second wagon? I want there to be a second wagon. On May 28 2014 14:51 Amiko wrote: (cut) This is more of a general comment- I would like to see town have a second wagon (besides jabberwockzerg), but I’m just not sure who that should be yet. I’ll keep looking for that as I go through the thread here. Palmar seems like a possible second from comments in the thread, but I don't think I feel strongly scummy on him. I'll try to give him a deeper read and see if that changes my mind after I finish catching up. I will comment on Palmar in my reads, I have written the most about him so far but I won't tell you yet whether I think he is scum or town this moment :D @sqrt and @Alakaslam (if you are here): What do you think of Palmar as a second wagon? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
@Alakaslam: If you were to pick a second wagon, who would it be? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
You didn't answer this so let me get your attention ALAKASLAM On May 28 2014 15:28 Amiko wrote: @Alakaslam: I don't have much to question you about but here are a few quick things besides the question in my last post: (1) Curious, why did you quote sloosh in your vote post? (2) Do you have any read on slOosh for now? If you would like, you can present your read in the form of a youtube video (but I would like some text explaining why you picked that youtube video) (if that's too much pressure just text is okay) | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
@Amiko, what do you mean by second wagon? What does that look like? | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Why? Because... | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Are you guys proposing lynching someone else today? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Maybe jabberwockzerg will be lynched today, maybe not. Either way, I'd rather have the day end where there are two people who reasonably could get lynched. In that case, our votes are more significant because they reflect an actual choice: it means people found one person scummy as compared to another person. If all the votes are on jabberwockzerg, the votes don't tell us much of anything and don't reflect a meaningful choice by the players. Since some players don't want to vote jabberwockzerg, I want to know who their pick would be. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
We have 6 hours. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 29 2014 03:57 Amiko wrote: @slOosh: Maybe jabberwockzerg will be lynched today, maybe not. Either way, I'd rather have the day end where there are two people who reasonably could get lynched. In that case, our votes are more significant because they reflect an actual choice: it means people found one person scummy as compared to another person. If all the votes are on jabberwockzerg, the votes don't tell us much of anything and don't reflect a meaningful choice by the players. Since some players don't want to vote jabberwockzerg, I want to know who their pick would be. I think with the deadline as is, if you want to bring up someone else you should do it immediately. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I'm writing now and seeing what I find. I can post what I have and continue I suppose. Btw I asked you for a read on Alakaslam a little earlier since a fair number of your posts seemed to focus on him, can you give me any comments? @27ninjabunnies: Nothing personal bunnies, but I'm going to ignore that post unless you give me anything to write about :x | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 29 2014 04:07 Amiko wrote: @slOosh: I'm writing now and seeing what I find. I can post what I have and continue I suppose. Btw I asked you for a read on Alakaslam a little earlier since a fair number of your posts seemed to focus on him, can you give me any comments? @27ninjabunnies: Nothing personal bunnies, but I'm going to ignore that post unless you give me anything to write about :x It was just a reactionary post. You passed. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
What we are not doing is starting a second wagon just for the sake of having another wagon in the hope that it will somehow "give more information". However, if you now think that someone else is more likely to flip scum than jabber, please feel free to vote them instead and push them. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On May 29 2014 04:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote: It's not that I don't want to vote jwz, it's that I would like to have a secondary wagon, so that we can make conclusions when jwz flips. We have 6 hours. Can you explain your read on jabber and also your top scumreads? | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 29 2014 04:09 Chromatically wrote: It's really simple: you figure out who's most likely to flip scum, and then you put your vote on them. What we are not doing is starting a second wagon just for the sake of having another wagon in the hope that it will somehow "give more information". However, if you now think that someone else is more likely to flip scum than jabber, please feel free to vote them instead and push them. So my thoughts, definitely jabber. He isnt really defending himself here. Id also lynch fuba. Id leave chrom, sqrt, slam, and mderg alone for right now. Everyone else is still questionable to me | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 29 2014 04:07 Amiko wrote: @slOosh: I'm writing now and seeing what I find. I can post what I have and continue I suppose. Btw I asked you for a read on Alakaslam a little earlier since a fair number of your posts seemed to focus on him, can you give me any comments? @27ninjabunnies: Nothing personal bunnies, but I'm going to ignore that post unless you give me anything to write about :x Oh I must have missed it. His posting style as is this game seems fine. I was more concerned if he was going to take it all the way ala last game, which is cause for concern as making your posts intentionally harder to read usually only makes sense from scum perspective. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
HaruRH has made some comments I think are scummy or weird, if you are in thread and don't have other stuff to talk about, let me know what you think. 1) Seems to have joined JWZ case on grounds that feel overly non-committal After a case is made on jabberwockzerg, HaruRH presents the case as a gamble and talks a bit about odds - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=6#109. To me, this seems like a strange view. If you feel you want to go with the odds, JWZ is no more or less likely to be scum than anyone else. I dislike this for two reasons. (1) it gives no response on ninjabunnies' points; (2) it does not tie him to his vote on JWZ at all - his justification (probability) applies equally to everyone. 2) Tells JWZ to talk about things other than the case on him, but will only unvote JWZ if he addresses the case on him HaruRH more or less suggests JWZ change the subject to avoid getting votes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=130&topic_id=451317. Initially, I didn't think this was bad - I also wanted to see JWZ scumhunt and talk about other issues, and some other players asked for that as well (Palmar comes to mind). But, HaruRH then says On May 27 2014 15:51 HaruRH wrote: what I understood from all jabber's responses are either a high level of newbie play, or scum. I will provide examples later after I get on a computer. Will not unvote until jabber defends himself convincingly This is weird because he's told jabber to talk about something else... but won't unvote unless jabber talks more about the topic. 3) Weird role comments On May 28 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote: I would give it a 30% chance to be 1) and a 70% chance to be 2). The only problem is the non-vanilla townies now. Who will they protect/scan/roleblock? By the way, which setup was used? A/B/C? Could be important for us VT to know. This feels strange to me for a few reasons as well. (1) There's no point to claiming VT at this time (or in general). (2) I don't understand how he manages to see the different roles in the OP, but misses the red text underneath saying we don't know the setup. On May 27 2014 09:08 Blazinghand wrote: This game uses a variable open setup. When the game begins, one of the following setups will be chosen: A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Watcher, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons C) 1 Town Doctor, 1 Town Watcher, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not! I don't see why he'd start thinking about the setup at this point. This post could be trying to role-fish because he is thinking about night kills. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On May 28 2014 02:19 mderg wrote: Right now I´d go with you because I didn´t like how you changed your opinion on jabber but didn´t bother to explain the reason for that until you were asked. The problem with that is that after that he basically wasn´t here anymore. This makes it difficult to actually make a solid case based on proper reasoning. I also want to see more from jabber. If he´s town, we could at least gain something from his reads. | ||
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