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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On May 28 2014 20:11 Palmar wrote: Don't ask hard questions Chrom, he might not have an answer right now. hue hue hue Palmar, you still feeling good about this lynch? Amiko, I don't see you pushing anything. Who do you want to lynch and what's your read on jabber? | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On May 28 2014 20:37 Chromatically wrote: hue hue hue Palmar, you still feeling good about this lynch? Amiko, I don't see you pushing anything. Who do you want to lynch and what's your read on jabber? I don't know. I think we have to lynch him. He's flailing so much and saying all the wrong things even after coming back to the thread makes it hard to think he will 100% flip mafia. If he is mafia he is not receiving any help from coaches or teammates. On May 28 2014 01:14 jabberwockzerg wrote: Lovely. I was trying to get the game moving along, I was pretty pumped to start interrogating and scum reading, which isn't how I acted last game, when I was scum. Lying about who was scum last game, I was trying to conceal information. I didn't realize that last game's roles were known, it would be beneficial for me if no one knew I was Mafia, just because there would be no real patterns of my play, and I could remain a wild card, which I thought could help me later. This post specifically is so bad. If he is town this game it would have been directly in his benefit to make known he was mafia in the last game and then proceed to play like a townie. There is no benefit in concealing information about your playstyle as a townie. I'm not 100% caught up on the game so I don't know if he elaborated on how being a wild card might help him. But the point is, he's doing that thing where he is almost too scummy to be scum. So if we get a slam-dunk case today I'm all ears. We actually might have one with MZ's overreaction and misinterpretation of my post against him, but we need to let it play out. Thing is, too scummy to be scum is really hard to deal with. To my knowledge he's not providing any useful reads or cases, he sheeped i on the case on me with almost no explanation other than my initial vote being weird. Could he be a deer in headlights? Yes, absolutely. But I'm not sure I want to gamble the game on just thinking he's too bad to be mafia. Maybe the explanation is simple and he is just mafia who fucked up. I haven't really read the setup but if we have a vigi it might be a good thing to not lynch him and shoot him. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On May 28 2014 21:54 Chromatically wrote: So I agree that he's done absolutely everything wrong, but I don't really get "too scummy to be scum". Like he's done everything I would expect scum to do in his position. What do you think he would be doing differently as mafia? Or what about it makes you doubt that he's mafia as opposed to just sealing the deal? The "too scummy to be scum" concept is a very fragile and shitty, but surprisingly often correct thing that happens. The idea is basically that if he is mafia, his team knows he made a blunder, so they would help him devise a strategy to come back, or bus him. if bus: I'd expect him to just shut up and not try to come back. Now I know I'm town but other people don't so this is weak from everyone else's perspective, but why on earth is he piling shit on me if his team is busing him. That is basically just helping me gain influcence in town. It's just bad play if he's mafia to give credit to a townie. if they try to save him: I'd expect him/his team/mafia coach to have come up with a better plan than what he has posted. His arguments are just straight up awful, If the mafia team can't collectively think up some better defense than this well.. I just don't want to believe that. And thus, he's being soooo awful that it's possible he's too scummy to be scum. He's blatantly wrong. He's hardly trying to cover up how awful his stuff is. But, there's also the chance that he's just acting on his own, he messed up, he's not thinking long term and thought maybe a wagon could be built on me, and in that case he's just mafia who's playing badly. Like I don't really like or see the point in speculating on this thing. If we have a slam dunk case on someone I'll support it, but currently I see no other outcome for today than lynching him. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On May 28 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Hey im scumhunting.... So im thinking, Team for mafia: Jabber/Sqrt/mderg Or Jabber/palmer/mderg Something like that, Id lynch both jabber and mderg though I don´t get how defending jabber like I did would make any sense, if we were both scum. That would be like the worst mafia play ever. Me being scum only makes sense, if jabber flips town. I could see mafia reasons for that. But hard defending a scummate who will almost certainly be lynched anyway doesn´t seem like scum play. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On May 28 2014 22:07 mderg wrote: I don´t get how defending jabber like I did would make any sense, if we were both scum. That would be like the worst mafia play ever. Me being scum only makes sense, if jabber flips town. I could see mafia reasons for that. But hard defending a scummate who will almost certainly be lynched anyway doesn´t seem like scum play. *clap clap* I hope you're mafia because if you are this post is amazing. I'm giving you a townread for this. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On May 28 2014 22:06 Palmar wrote: The "too scummy to be scum" concept is a very fragile and shitty, but surprisingly often correct thing that happens. The idea is basically that if he is mafia, his team knows he made a blunder, so they would help him devise a strategy to come back, or bus him. if bus: I'd expect him to just shut up and not try to come back. Now I know I'm town but other people don't so this is weak from everyone else's perspective, but why on earth is he piling shit on me if his team is busing him. That is basically just helping me gain influcence in town. It's just bad play if he's mafia to give credit to a townie. if they try to save him: I'd expect him/his team/mafia coach to have come up with a better plan than what he has posted. His arguments are just straight up awful, If the mafia team can't collectively think up some better defense than this well.. I just don't want to believe that. And thus, he's being soooo awful that it's possible he's too scummy to be scum. He's blatantly wrong. He's hardly trying to cover up how awful his stuff is. But, there's also the chance that he's just acting on his own, he messed up, he's not thinking long term and thought maybe a wagon could be built on me, and in that case he's just mafia who's playing badly. Like I don't really like or see the point in speculating on this thing. If we have a slam dunk case on someone I'll support it, but currently I see no other outcome for today than lynching him. Too scummy to be scum. Such a loophole filled argument, but I agree. There might be 2 scenarios here in my opinion: 1) He is scum and his play gave him off 2) He is town and scum pushed for this by joining the bandwagon. I would give it a 30% chance to be 1) and a 70% chance to be 2). The only problem is the non-vanilla townies now. Who will they protect/scan/roleblock? By the way, which setup was used? A/B/C? Could be important for us VT to know. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On May 28 2014 08:51 Palmar wrote: If someone isn't following why that last MZ post raises alarms (aside from the fact he's calling everyone mafia), I'll explain. The bolded quote is very much not trying to figure out i's alignment. If MZ thinks there is any chance i is mafia, why is he trying to stop i from digging his own grave under the threat of "if you keep doing this I'll be suspicious of you!!!!". This looks like MZ wants to read i as town, while still looking like he's poking people. Actually, I was going to disagree, but I think I don't really anymore. My objection was that it makes sense from a town MZ if he's just giving advice on how to play to a town read of his, but the wording is very strange. He's basically saying "if you do this, you're going to look like scum" which doesn't make sense unless MZ knows sqrt is town. His filter doesn't look like he's trying to solve the game, more like he's throwing reads out. He gives a lot of advice to people, which doesn't mean anything. He isn't questioning his scumreads which is what I'd expect a townie to do. Not sure where he would fit in on my lynch list though, I haven't looked in depth at very many people. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On May 28 2014 23:23 Chromatically wrote: mderg, what would you say your objective is for today? What outcome would you be most happy with?? Well, my objective is to lynch scum but I don´t think that´s what you want to hear. It´s difficult to find a proper answer to that question because it´s not like I have someone I really want to lynch. I still don´t want jabber to be lynched. The outcome I would be most happy with would be lynching someone who is not jabber and scum. But since my defense for jabber didn´t seem to convince people I don´t think someone else will be lynched. I´d also be happy, if jabber flipped scum. That would make me wrong but it would put us in a good position. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Chrom mderp i Ninja Haru I think the following people are sort of scummy fuba MZ Jjabber rest I don't really know cause I haven't really read them enough (sloosh, slam, amiko, gobble). | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 28 2014 22:07 mderg wrote: I don´t get how defending jabber like I did would make any sense, if we were both scum. That would be like the worst mafia play ever. Me being scum only makes sense, if jabber flips town. I could see mafia reasons for that. But hard defending a scummate who will almost certainly be lynched anyway doesn´t seem like scum play. I like this post, so thank you for your contribution. I agree, i think the only way you would be mafia is if jabber flips town, as you gain credibility for defending a town person. You proved me wrong. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
I think we need to get a secondary wagon going. Thoughts? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 29 2014 01:15 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Hi, I'm back. I think we need to get a secondary wagon going. Thoughts? Propose your target. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
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