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On May 28 2014 13:20 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 13:00 Alakaslam wrote:On May 28 2014 11:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 11:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Yes. You should really start quoting people...or atleast putting an @. Also, in high school, i was in spanish class, and me and a guy friend of mine got super bored, so we started creating a story about bunnies. Then they turned out to be ninjas. Etc. It was an elaborate story that had me as a dictator raising an army of ninja bunnies to take over the world. I also had an army of evil squirrels that did my dirty work. So when i started playing xbox heavily, he thought it would be smart to do 26ninjabunnies (the 26 being the day I was born) and so i went with it. Then when i started playing mafia (first starting on epicmafia) i had it there, but someone hacked into my account and deleted it, so i just upped my number from 26 to 27, and have stuck with it ever since. Though this has nothing to do with the game. los conejos muy malo. Esta en el rancho de mi papa, matalo mas a milquimientos. hablas espanol verdad? En la classe? I will translate to keep it from messing with anyone The cottontails are really bad. They are at my dad's ranch, death More than 1,500. Meaning: since age 12 I have been on the PrimusLabs shooters list for varmint control. To date I have killed over 1,500 rabbits- hares and cottontails both.
Eh i was close. Hahaha
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On May 28 2014 08:51 Palmar wrote:If someone isn't following why that last MZ post raises alarms ( aside from the fact he's calling everyone mafia), I'll explain. Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
You know what else I don't like?
Amiko's not as active as he usually is.
Yes, he's making big posts and big cases.
Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content.
But he's not as active.
Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like.
This game, not so much. You've thrown around a lot of suspicions this game. Instead of making a vague statement like this, interpret what it means. If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand. Instead tell us why this is a problem, maybe provide some examples if you're gonna cite his meta. The bolded quote is very much not trying to figure out i's alignment. If MZ thinks there is any chance i is mafia, why is he trying to stop i from digging his own grave under the threat of "if you keep doing this I'll be suspicious of you!!!!". This looks like MZ wants to read i as town, while still looking like he's poking people.
Palmar could you please explain your MZ read more?
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Given that mz is just throwing out that everyone is mafia, he suddenly told sqrt to pipe it down so as to avoid his suspicion. Irony?
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so sloosh, what is *your* read on MZ? I have given my read already, basically I think he's not confident in his reads so he's hedging his bets.
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I’ll be around for a while to talk tonight, going through the thread now to put some responses and thoughts.
If you want to talk about anything in particular let me know with a quick post.
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@sqrtofneg1 on Palmar & Fuba:
You talked a bit about your scumread on Palmar and Fuba.
First for Palmar- I think it’s fair to say that Palmar’s vote on 27ninjabunnies was empty, but why do you see that as scummy?
I feel like an early vote that you pretend is serious isn’t necessarily scummy… at least, I’ve seen players do that as town in a couple games (if it’s important to you I can try to find examples, but otherwise just take my word for it that town does that, too).
Second, for Fuba. You townread fuba for being uncertain on jabberwockzerg. Do you also townread the other players who have indicated some hesitation on fuba (ex: mderg)?
This is more of a general comment-
I would like to see town have a second wagon (besides jabberwockzerg), but I’m just not sure who that should be yet. I’ll keep looking for that as I go through the thread here.
Palmar seems like a possible second from comments in the thread, but I don't think I feel strongly scummy on him. I'll try to give him a deeper read and see if that changes my mind after I finish catching up.
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@sqrt re: my play
I dunno, I think I've been decently active. I think there's a little less going on in this thread, though... I feel like attention is mostly going on the jabberwockzerg issue and we need to try to have conversation on other points as well.
On that note,
I actually liked this post by Palmar (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=16#319) largely because I think we need to see some activity from MZ and it made some new conversation points. I want to follow my thoughts on those a bit...
@27ninjabunnies:
Two things on your post here-
On May 28 2014 09:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Ooooq..... Interesting.
Tbh i agree with MZ here. Sqrts play is kinda weird.
I dont like it.
(1) I do agree somewhat. I think sqrt's posts have been a little different this game - specifically, I feel sqrt is posting with a similar frequency to his other games, but is asking far fewer questions about the game. There are some questions, for sure, but I feel like he has been less inquisitive. What do you think is weird about sqrt's play or posts?
(2) To explain a little, I don't feel like Meapak was really saying sqrt's posting style was weird. See post-
On May 28 2014 08:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
You know what else I don't like?
Amiko's not as active as he usually is.
Yes, he's making big posts and big cases.
Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content.
But he's not as active.
Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like.
This game, not so much. You've thrown around a lot of suspicions this game. Instead of making a vague statement like this, interpret what it means. If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand. Instead tell us why this is a problem, maybe provide some examples if you're gonna cite his meta.
I see this as saying he wants sqrt to explain his comments further, not necessarily calling out sqrt's play as strange. Or do you feel sqrt is weird because he is throwing around a lot of suspicions? To me, that seems pretty much in line with his prior play...
Sorry I keep raising negative points on you as side comments, lol, but I will also mention that I think Meapak's point on sqrt (don't make vague statements) basically applies to your post as well (where you just say "Sqrts play is kinda weird. I dont like it.").
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@jabberwockzerg
Ehhh I want to focus on other things but I want to at least give a response to your reads. I do appreciate you posting them, even if I have some concerns with them.
1) HaruRH/Fuba vs. Mderg
It seems that you townread HaruRH & fuba for defending you. From my point of view, it seems like mderg was also defending you. However, for mderg you write “Not really getting much.”
Can you explain why your read on mderg is different than you read on HaruRH/fuba?
2) Reasons to defend you
Also, it seems to me that if you are town, mafia may want to defend you because it may give them credibility. In other words, let’s pretend for this paragraph that you are town. If you die, you will be revealed as town. If mafia defended you, they arguably look better (because they did not push to mislynch someone who is town).
I don’t really know whether the people defending you are town or mafia, but I just want to ensure that you considered this as a possibility. If you thought about this and your reads are the same, fine. If you didn’t think about this before, does it change your reads at all?
3) Where do we go?
From your reads, I think your highest scum suspect is sqrtofneg1, followed by Palmar (let me know if this is incorrect). You subsequently list Palmar as your highest scumread.
What made sqrt move down, or Palmar move up? Is it just because sqrt was voting on Palmar?
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On May 28 2014 11:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 09:59 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Slam, what do you think of Amiko so far? Haven't read him but he has agree with me usually so. There is that
What did I agree with you about? I don't think I've really interacted with you this game besides a quick comment on your playstyle which wasn't direct. So I am confused a little by this post.
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@Alakaslam:
I don't have much to question you about but here are a few quick things besides the question in my last post:
(1) Curious, why did you quote sloosh in your vote post?
On May 28 2014 02:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.
##Vote: jabberwockzerg ##Vote: jabberwockzerg
(2) Do you have any read on slOosh for now?
If you would like, you can present your read in the form of a youtube video (but I would like some text explaining why you picked that youtube video) (if that's too much pressure just text is okay)
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I think I’m the only one in thread so I’ll head to sleep. Sorry if I was spamming.
I am planning to be around tomorrow… I don’t think I will be in the morning, but probably on computer most afternoon, instead.
If you leave me questions I'll get to them and will plan to be here for lynch if I can.
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On May 28 2014 09:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
13) Palmar
A little scummy, which has been covered but not really at the forefront of my mind.
On May 28 2014 10:34 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Top Scum: Palamar
Just started out weird with the whole ninjabunnies vote and never really did anything
top town: any one of the people initially defending me, as most Mafia would want to turn the town against me ASAP
What changed? I didn't post anything between those two.
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Vote count:
jabberwockzerg (8) - 27ninjabunnies, HaruRH, fuba, Palmar, fuba, slOosh, Alakaslam, sqrtofneg1, Chromatically, sqrtofneg1, gobbledydook,
27ninjabunnies (0) - Palmar
Palmar(1) - sqrtofneg1, sqrtofneg1
Not voting: - Meapak_Ziphh, jabberwockzerg, mderg, Amiko
Currently jabberwockzerg is set to be lynched!
Day ends in
PM me if you see a mistake!
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On May 28 2014 13:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:51 Palmar wrote:If someone isn't following why that last MZ post raises alarms ( aside from the fact he's calling everyone mafia), I'll explain. On May 28 2014 08:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
You know what else I don't like?
Amiko's not as active as he usually is.
Yes, he's making big posts and big cases.
Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content.
But he's not as active.
Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like.
This game, not so much. You've thrown around a lot of suspicions this game. Instead of making a vague statement like this, interpret what it means. If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand. Instead tell us why this is a problem, maybe provide some examples if you're gonna cite his meta. The bolded quote is very much not trying to figure out i's alignment. If MZ thinks there is any chance i is mafia, why is he trying to stop i from digging his own grave under the threat of "if you keep doing this I'll be suspicious of you!!!!". This looks like MZ wants to read i as town, while still looking like he's poking people. Palmar could you please explain your MZ read more?
Which part of it do you not get?
"If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand."
This is basically saying
"If you don't elaborate, you're acting like mafia".
When in reality if MZ is town, he shouldn't care whether or not i acts like mafia, but if he is mafia. If MZ is town and thinks i is town his logical explanation should be
"If you don't elaborate, you won't convince anyone".
Because if MZ thinks i is town, he wouldn't care about i doing something potentially scummy for the sake of it being scummy, and rather because it is not helpful. However if MZ thinks i is mafia, why is he explaining the steps i can take to remove any suspicion MZ might have to him. It's like me saying "hey, you just made a case that is wrong, that is very mafia like. please make another case that is right so I don't have to call you mafia." It's just an absurd way of playing the game.
The only reasonable conclusion is that MZ must think i is town, and thus it makes no sense for MZ to point out something i does looks like something mafia does.
The reason I created in my head is that MZ knows i is town, and doesn't feel the need to call him mafia right now, but does leave the open-ended suspicion for use later.
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K sqrt I'm starting to have a serious problem here. You go from this:
On May 28 2014 10:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Here's what I think is going to happen, according to the sqrtofneg1 rule.
jwz is gonna be lynched, gonna flip vt.
Palmar is gonna end up scum.
I honestly don't think anyone will move their vote away from jwz. I don't expect anyone to, also.
But I kind of think he's town.
To this:
On May 28 2014 10:25 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt why are you not convincing people to vote for Palmar?
On May 28 2014 10:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Cause I don't think it will happen.
And I also think there's a good chance that jwz is scum too.
You can't "think he's town" and think he's scum too" at the same time. This is actually pretty scummy imo.
Oh hey 27NB:
On May 28 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 10:59 Chromatically wrote:
this is quite possibly the finest scumhunting tl has seen in ages Hey im scumhunting.... So im thinking, Team for mafia: Jabber/Sqrt/mderg Or Jabber/palmer/mderg Something like that, Id lynch both jabber and mderg though
I also am really digging this post here although I disagree with mderg and I'd insert someone else, who I'm not sure of yet.
So Palmar, just so the record is straight, now I'm calling sqrt scum for clearly contradicting himself in an attempt to be vague and not get caught supporting the wrong person.
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On May 28 2014 16:43 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 13:55 slOosh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:51 Palmar wrote:If someone isn't following why that last MZ post raises alarms ( aside from the fact he's calling everyone mafia), I'll explain. On May 28 2014 08:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
You know what else I don't like?
Amiko's not as active as he usually is.
Yes, he's making big posts and big cases.
Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content.
But he's not as active.
Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like.
This game, not so much. You've thrown around a lot of suspicions this game. Instead of making a vague statement like this, interpret what it means. If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand. Instead tell us why this is a problem, maybe provide some examples if you're gonna cite his meta. The bolded quote is very much not trying to figure out i's alignment. If MZ thinks there is any chance i is mafia, why is he trying to stop i from digging his own grave under the threat of "if you keep doing this I'll be suspicious of you!!!!". This looks like MZ wants to read i as town, while still looking like he's poking people. Palmar could you please explain your MZ read more? Which part of it do you not get? "If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand." This is basically saying "If you don't elaborate, you're acting like mafia". When in reality if MZ is town, he shouldn't care whether or not i acts like mafia, but if he is mafia. If MZ is town and thinks i is town his logical explanation should be "If you don't elaborate, you won't convince anyone". Because if MZ thinks i is town, he wouldn't care about i doing something potentially scummy for the sake of it being scummy, and rather because it is not helpful. However if MZ thinks i is mafia, why is he explaining the steps i can take to remove any suspicion MZ might have to him. It's like me saying "hey, you just made a case that is wrong, that is very mafia like. please make another case that is right so I don't have to call you mafia." It's just an absurd way of playing the game. The only reasonable conclusion is that MZ must think i is town, and thus it makes no sense for MZ to point out something i does looks like something mafia does. The reason I created in my head is that MZ knows i is town, and doesn't feel the need to call him mafia right now, but does leave the open-ended suspicion for use later.
Palmar that's honestly one of the worst posts I've ever seen you make and does nothing to change my opinion on your alignment. It seems as though you called me out, misjudged the thread's perception of me, and are now trying to back out of the read.
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Where do you get the feeling I'm backing out of the read? That's super interesting you somehow get the feeling I'm backing out of anything with this post.
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Also why on earth are we talking about your perception of me.
a) I don't care what your perception of me is because I think you're mafia.
b) The entire point comes from your interaction with i. Nothing to do with me.
So I have no idea what you're on about.
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MZ, what's your reasoning for Palmar being scum?
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Don't ask hard questions Chrom, he might not have an answer right now.
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