EPTWould appreciate your comments on my post on HaruRH. Even if he isn't the lynch today, I'd like to see some discussion of it - I made some points here you can address (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=25#499) or raise your own.
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Would appreciate your comments on my post on HaruRH. Even if he isn't the lynch today, I'd like to see some discussion of it - I made some points here you can address (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=25#499) or raise your own. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 29 2014 04:46 Amiko wrote: [/b][/b]@Chromatically and @27ninjabunnies: Would appreciate your comments on my post on HaruRH. Even if he isn't the lynch today, I'd like to see some discussion of it - I made some points here you can address (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=25#499) or raise your own. Im about to leave, actually and won't be back until after the flip, so I wont be able to nitpick through your read on haru. I have voiced, however, that i am a bit skeptical on haru, and would put him up for a lynch tomorrow, but i think jabber is our best bet for today. I'll read it once i get back, and post on it in the night, | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzerg Top scum read, but he may be town. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On May 29 2014 04:50 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, fine. ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzerg Top scum read, but he may be town. Dude really? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Please comment on my case on Haru. Basically, look at my points and let me know if you think they are legitimate/mistaken. If you blue-read Haruh, whatever, please do not discuss that at all. You can still feel he is town if you want based on that, but I want to know if you think my points make sense. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
I have to go in about 2 hours, and I won't be back until tomorrow. You have 2 hours to ask me questions and stuff. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I understand you are voting JWZ. But can you also give a little more reaction to my points on Palmar? Your post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=26#511 doesn't really let me know how you feel... like, do you think Palmar is more likely to be town now? Or is it more that you suspect him, but feel JWZ is better after my points? What in my points did you agree with or disagree with the most? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
It has valid points on it, like the talking of roles. But there's a possibility that he's town. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
The answer is to quote yourself, i... | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I still want answers from you :x http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=25#484 But for just right now, if you want to wait on that and instead comments on HaruRH/JWZ that'd be the bees knees. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
Amiko's cases are pretty much completely against mine, and they make more sense. I'm gonna go on a run to clear my head. I'll be back in about an hour, post all questions and such for me. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
This is how I speak in person, if I am not in a festive mood. I refuse to propose an alternate wagon. I refuse to derail the Wisdom of the crowds, discontinuing my trolling does not make me any less someone who appreciates Chezinu's house of brown. Now, the way to determine my alignment is simple. Do not try. This is IMPOSSIBLE. When I am under normal rules (the lack thereof), Geript has such a solid read style that he can determine my personal life's stress level based on my play. But when I post in this style I will always seem slightly scummy- so I refuse to defend the indefensible gut reads and pseudo cases that arise from that situation. Now. Who has read mderg's defense, and agrees with his scenario where JWZ is town? The rest of us should be voting him. Those of you who agree with Mderg, please select your alternate wagon amongst yourselves and make a case for it. We who are on JWZ will consider them, but will likely not move. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
I completely agree with you that those comments are very strange (1 and 3 particularly, as well as his post where he tells jabber that he's being an easy target for scum). I don't know if they're particularly scummy, though. The rolefishing in particular is weird, but it doesn't make sense for scum to do because they already know the setup. Asking about it in-thread is one of those blatantly "scummy" things that scum can and will avoid at all costs. When I read his filter though I did see things that looked like he was at least trying to think about the game and people's alignments: + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2014 20:14 HaruRH wrote: This may have been used as evidence for the past 5 pages, but it still raises eyebrows. Why would you accuse someone of being mafia last game when you clearly know who is mafia last game? Didn't mean mafia, but meant non-vanilla... wait, he said he could have been super into last game because he was mafia. Then, he defends his claim by saying he was crapping. On May 28 2014 13:00 HaruRH wrote: Sqrt is always questioning for some reason or the other. Chromatically is a town read for me. Only mderg with his weird explanations seem to be a possible scumread. Overall there are people I think look worse. I would certainly like to see a lot more from him, though. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
That's fair. I don't want you to feel like you have to play silly (but, I want you to be able to play silly if that's what you enjoy). (I'd still like a read from you on slOosh since he seems to be giving a lot of attention to your posts) Can you give comments on my points on Haru? I am not voting for him, but Haru is my second choice after JWZ. I think JWZ is still my pick for today even though I like mderg's point. Could you let me know what you think of Haru? If I was going to vote someone other than JWZ it would be Haru. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
Other people I don't like are sqrt, MZ, and fuba. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 29 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote: I've read through everyone's filter and I still think jabber is the best lynch today. Other people I don't like are sqrt, MZ, and fuba. But those three cannot all be scum. Just throwing out there, I know what you mean chrom. Any ine if them COULD be. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I do townread Palmar for his play d1. But, I do think his meta works against a townread on him. Palmar self-described himself as follows in the "game of champions" "Traditionally I am a very strong town player and a mediocre scum player. My greatest strengths in mafia is first and foremost a very strong day 1, and the ability to lead and influence towns." http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/3-game-mafia-champions-ww-invitational-game-thread-1428519/index2.html I won't talk about that game very much because I don't want to make Palmar cry (I didn't read the whole thing anyway, but I am not sure the players did either) (j/k you guys were pretty cool). On a meta-level, I don't think I'd say Palmar has led town D1, it feels more like he has played a supportive role by encouraging the lynch on JWZ. It does make it a little more possible that he is opportunistic mafia pushing for a lynch. I still feel better about my townread, though. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
I agree with Amiko that Haru´s play has been strange. The part about the odds is not something I would take seriously. To me it seemed like some kind of joke post. The second point Amiko raises about Haru is definitely strange play. It kinda seemed like throwing a fake lifeline to jabber in order to have some point against him regardless of how jabber continues to play. The third point is something that could go either way. It´s difficult to get a clear read out of setup discussion. So it´s definitely worth it to keep a closer eye on HaruRH. | ||
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