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On June 11 2014 04:24 justanothertownie wrote: Are you sure that you are american? ^_^ ^_^ But yeah, Berkeley is 100% walkable, unless you live in the hills, in which case the climb up is a fucking whore. | ||
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On June 11 2014 04:30 s0Lstice wrote: ![]() I agree | ||
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On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote: first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first therefore the first six people to post are scum gg Try English. And Logic. But, like, seriously, like, what does this, like, even, like, mean?.....Like | ||
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If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. On June 11 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote: Scumclaim. I know I'm mafia because I requested it and I also know I haven't received my role, so I can only assume that mafia gets roles sent last. Nailed you, bitch. On June 11 2014 05:45 Palmar wrote: Fuck I got my role. I don't even know what it does. brb. | ||
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On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote: You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote: Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya! The difference between me and mocsta posting style is night and day. Everyone would be able to insta-tell. Plus, he's from Aussieland or something. He'll be posting at stupid hours. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote: Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me ![]() The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:08 batsnacks wrote: Confirmed scum Palmar can wait I want to policy the hydra today because I hate hydras. Also this is pretty funny coming from a hydra: ##Vote roundabound I fucking hate hydras too, but I really wanted to play and I will have absolutely no time from the 13-15th and I didn't want to not play and I didn't want to be modkilled. Hence, hydraville, population me, mocsta, chewy and foolishness | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote: He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote: Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. This is a reply to your logic that I'm trying to confuse people by using nicknames. Like what type of stupid ass shit is that. I'm not mafia, so your logic is terrible. Please learn how to draw actual conclusions and correct conclusions as opposed to just tunnelling on me cause you don't have anyone else to go on cause everyone is too big of a pussy to do anything this game. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:16 Tehpoofter wrote: whatever you say IamRobik. And you know what I read you off of. You haven't been cleared yet and I don't think there is anyone who should clear anyone as of yet. Except of course Marv is obv village. How can this post not come from a townie mindset: Did you mean to quote the post where I said you should obviously read me as town, cause you quoted a post that wasn't even directed at you..........? | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:18 batsnacks wrote: Points you raised: 1. "stupid ass shit" 2. "I'm not mafia, so your logic is terrible" 3. "lern2play" 4. Everyone is a pussy Good work Points you raised: | ||
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Not sure why that reads as defensive to you. I have no filter when I'm town, so I'll say whatever I'm thinking. What you quoted is the logic of why I made the post I made. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote: You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote | ||
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My next post expands on this, but yeah I'm serious as shit. I think he sees a possible opportunity arising and he's hopping all over it. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:31 batsnacks wrote: I responded. sinani didn't. I really hit the jackpot when I voted you. I could not have hoped for a better reaction. If you're town, you don't know how to read shit. If you're mafia...carry on. I'm not gonna let myself get mislynched. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:32 justanothertownie wrote: You really think he thinks he can lynch you for what happened since the start of the game? No. Doesn't mean I'm not gonna defend myself against bullshit and call people out for scummy ass behavior. I'm town. Voting on me is against your win condition if you're town. I felt like Banks might have had some sort of substance behind why he was thinking what he was thinking. Maybe he just wanted to put some early pressure to get a read off of me. But Batsnacks is a nobody and if a nobody is going to throw bullshit my way I'm going to make sure that everyone sees that it's bullshit. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:39 justanothertownie wrote: You are making friends quickly I guess. [ ] care [x] don't care [x] I WANT TO MOTHA FUCKIN WIN! | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:01 IAmRobik wrote: Left work and drove home. Catching up now. I am deep in sinani's pocket if he's maf. On June 11 2014 08:03 IAmRobik wrote: JAT is town as fuck -- whoever was questioning his motives earlier. On June 11 2014 08:04 IAmRobik wrote: Also, that guy who made a case on me earlier is prolly town. I can't believe no one gave him town points. | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:22 Tehpoofter wrote: Hate is a strong word but I did disagree with Koshi a bit. He had two of my village reads as his wolf reads so that was lame. Koshi can you go into a little more detail on TicaTic? It felt to me you had stronger feelings for Chrom but voted Tic Y4? Shit, why didn't i say the last part? I was thinking it. | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:23 sandroba wrote: No promisses. Not sure if I have the will to read this thread in detail if the amount of shit posting stays on this pace. I hope it's only because it just started. You misunderstand, I'm not I'm not saying they are mafia, I'm saying you are. LOOOOOOOOOL | ||
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How long do you think it took Koshi to make the post and the case against Chrome. I'm asking because I wonder if he thought that people were thinking that Chrome was scummy from his play and what he was saying and his push away from me and onto that other dude, and that's why he spent time on it or whether he's towny for having a different opinion from the masses. | ||
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On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote: There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves On June 11 2014 05:53 Palmar wrote: Policy lynch for calling mafia wolves. ##Vote yamato77 On June 11 2014 05:56 Tehpoofter wrote: This is a very village reaction. I found this chain of posts very amusing haha ~moc | ||
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did you read what I wrote about palmar? if yes, thoughts on my conclusion? If not, go read it and then same question. | ||
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On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote: This is a really weird reaction from Palmar. If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. Don't give me that "idgaf" bs. | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: JAY I'd like some clarification on your opinion of roundabound. Initially you questioned him for the same stuff batsnacks went after him but later on you agreed with chrom when he called roundabound town. I'd like a straight up read from you plox. Gonna go play some CS:GO I think you read the scenario incorrectly. He read chrome town for the way chrome analyzed the situation with regards to me. I don't think JAT has given a definitive read on me. What are your reads on anyone besides me? Do you think my play this game lines up with my play in Cell Mafia? | ||
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To add to the current discussion: I have nothing new to raise. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:09 ExO_ wrote: + Show Spoiler + I've played several in the format that can be seen here: + Show Spoiler + https://www.starkingdoms.com/community/discussion/3281/werewolves-of-the-caribbean-night-1-to-turn-daytime-noon-est-611#Item_9 Never IRL or on TL before. Already it's much more serious here, but people also seem to be quick to get out and make judgements of people based on nothing. I don't think you can learn too much about people's alignment from the post on the first day, and yet that's what apparently I and everybody else is expected to do. What if good guy#1 says good guy#2 is scum, and then in the next few days good guy #1 is killed. Well everybody remembers good guy#2 says good guy#1 is scum so they kill him. And now 2 good guys are dead. So I'd rather not rush out my feelings on people because I don't have feelings on people yet. If I had to commit a little bit, I think poofter is okay despite him voting for me, but that's about it ExO_ Indulge me please. These innate feelings for poofter. Do you think his reasoning is: -plausible? -committed? -other? ~moc | ||
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If he wasnt my hydra I would say town. Considering he is my hydra, I would say the opposite of TicaTica. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:20 Tehpoofter wrote: So you will be voting TicaTica soon I expect? CAre to elaborate on why you and him are opposites? I dont know what TicaTica is. It was my meager attempt at wit towards a stupid question. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:19 Tehpoofter wrote: Do not mock me sir. This is why you're not in Tehpoofter's village. What has ExO done townie? If he's a noob and mafia, he sees your medic claim and runs into Maf QT and starts yelling, OMGOGOMG DID YOU GUIZE JUST SEE BANKS CLAIMED MEDIC. WE HAZ TO KEEL HIM TONIGHT! He gets instantly shot down and he doesn't bring it up. He doesn't do what he just did and blatantly role hunt in the thread. | ||
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*walks away in shame* | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:36 Bill Murray wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote: The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. yeah im just going to go ahead and vote you for this post if youre town (im unfamiliar with you) learn how to speak. this seems like muddled mafia talk. you also seem very nervous, and having to desperately rely on buddying / some weird sense of authority the first couple pages ##vote: roundabound p.s. i like chairman saying he was going to vote the first person on 25 and actually doing so. mafia aren't lighthearted enough to troll (typically) Let me know if you have any more qualifiers to add on. ~moc | ||
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He didnt call me scum. Thats yamato town trademark. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 09:49 Alakaslam wrote: I said mah city was gone, I haven't populated it yet Can you shut up please. We are having an alignment indicative conversation here. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 10:47 IAmRobik wrote: I'm gonna sheep poofter all game. On June 11 2014 10:54 IAmRobik wrote: Don't know what his reads are. Pretty much just calling him my top town. Like, I don't know that I agree with him that ExO is maf. I don't know about his Koshi read, but kinda agree with it. I'm wishy washy as shit about Koshi. I agree with him 100% that I'm town. Agree Chrome is town. Turns out I know what most of his reads are. Mine don't exactly align with his, but they're close. | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:09 Bill Murray wrote: so you're going to sheep someone that isn't your hydra head? seems scummy to me if you're maf you know alignments but you're unwilling to accept the opinion of someone you KNOW who their role is AS TOWN? ##vote: roundabound When he was around for the 30 or so minutes, we were chatting in our QT and had drastically opposing reads. | ||
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(+) Appears to be making an effort at problem solving and/or reading. (-) Constantly flip-flops over every detail. Outcomes: (1) Bad townie failing to lead the town OR (2) Scum successfully destroying all cred Conclusion: #2 BM What sayeth you. ~moc | ||
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You're starting to push on me for saying I'm gonna sheep Banks, when the whole point of me making that post was to say that I read banks as town. You're either scum trying to twist what I'm saying to suit your own needs or you're just bad town with terrible reading comp. | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:36 Bill Murray wrote: Without someone like Roundabound protecting players like batsnacks we wouldn't have the mafia... they are the players that insulate them remember when marv said "anyone that thinks exo is scum is trash"? +1 And you continue to make shit up. | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:40 Bill Murray wrote: my reading comprehension is bad? way to derail my case on you into the most recent point. you're not even responding to my question. what you're doing there is something only scum would do, yes. the thing is, that is in no way the extent to which i have a scumread on you. mocsta would get by, but you've been too frantic, too buddying. CAUSE I FUCKING DISAGREE WITH HIS READS. WHY WOULD I DO THAT AS MAFIA!?!? WE WOULD SIT AND AGREE ON A STRATEGY AND PUSH THE SAME WAY! | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:30 Bill Murray wrote: Thank you for proving your grasp of thread sentiment.+ Show Spoiler + the aggressive alpha male type, unlike Ace. Have you played with Ace? The Palmar type... he is totally alpha, but he doesn't really go out of his way until something hits I used to do it all the time... but it's not good to do. On June 11 2014 11:24 roundabound wrote: When he was around for the 30 or so minutes, we were chatting in our QT and had drastically opposing reads. why would you sheep someone that isn't the same role as you if you're town? On June 11 2014 11:27 roundabound wrote: BM (+) Appears to be making an effort at problem solving and/or reading. (-) Constantly flip-flops over every detail. Outcomes: (1) Bad townie failing to lead the town OR (2) Scum successfully destroying all cred Conclusion: #2 BM What sayeth you. ~moc I'd say you're OMGUSing which is fine because i have 0 votes on me (1 if you vote me) and you have 3-4 on you People of this town. Beware the foe titled "BillMurray". This chap enjoys casting the illusion of stupidity; but rather is acutely aware of his actions: cause, and effect. I was exposed first-hand to the sorcery of this vile conjurer in a PYP game containing the infamous "INjustice vigi". So join me people of this town to eradicate the evil that is trying to lead this town. For BM is a plague positioning himself amongst the awkward NK, and useless town folk brackets. Or in other words: The ideal position scum want to be in. ##Vote: BillMurray ~moc P.S. Here is his buddy On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote: I'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet. I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion. This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone. This post is an oxymoron at heart. "Theres nothing much that indicates scum" - Regarding Exo. "Until I catch up with the thread" - Regarding this knowledge "So how about I just vote roundabout for shits n gigglez." | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:44 ExO_ wrote: LOLyou try googling hydra and see if you can get info on what it is. I tried searching for it when people were asking about hydras pre-game and all I came up with is a zerg unit that shoots both air and ground. hydra has 1body with multiple heads. In mafia this refers to 1 account with mulitple heads. Lets move on please shall we. Opinions on BM please. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:51 ketomai wrote: @roundabout I skimmed both situations and you were the more likely one of the two; I thought that should've been obvious. I'm casting the vote early in case something happens so I don't get instant modkilled. Obviously when I'm done reading the thread and thinking about things I'll most probably give my opinions and change it up. Until then, you can pretty much disregard my vote for you as filler after a cursory glance at both situations. This is so fallacious I refuse to accept it can originate from a townie. So early game, when reads are at their absolute weakest. Of the two vote leaders, AT LEAST one must be scum. Ridiculous. If you are genuinely worried about modkills, vote "No Lynch". !moc | ||
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~ and ! are next to each other Its good to know you are humorous as scum, vile creature. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:55 kushm4sta wrote: im quite curious how serious mocsta is, because he didn't give much of reasoning. and bm has a lot a lot of content Why aren't you calling me scum then. You can join Ketormai on the BM support wagon. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 11:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I find his lack of actual play somewhat concerning. He's content to sit back and call people idiots and bad but very hesitant to actually jump into things. I don't like it. I dont see how this is alignment indicative at this stage of the game. Marv often waits for content and then delves deeper. If anything, Sandroba/MArv coming to an identical conclusion at the same time regarding Koshi is a good thing. Well to me at least, because I had the same opinino when I read it. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 12:00 ketomai wrote: How is fallacious if I'm not even making an argument, lol. I do not think you are scum, just moreso than Exo at this very moment. 6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. It's also not very smart of me to just eventually vote for you anyway if I were mafia. If I were mafia, it''d be a lot easier to just stash away my vote somewhere since your bandwagon is already gaining steam. If I were trying to save exo as mafia than him flipping would eventually lead to my demise. Don't worry, lol. Ze hole, is getting ze deeper. (1) I am not accusing you of making an argument. I am stating that your belief is incorrect; the very definition of fallacious. (2) You do not think I am scum? Why is this even thrown out. Clearly you are now trying to satiate me to get out of the limelight. (3) You can vote "No Lynch" if you are worried about being modkilled. A half-assed vote on the vote leader, is not a reasonable excuse for 4hrs into the game..... (4) If you were mafia, now is the perfect time to vote me. For lazy people who don't read and take the same avenue you just PURPORTED, it gives them someone to vote for. (5) There is certainly a lot of focus on Exo from you. Having said that, lynching IAR/me is certainly a bigger coup for mafia than lycning an unknown Exo. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 12:11 ketomai wrote: By the way, I guarantee my vote will change tomorrow unless I actually start thinking you're mafia. How's that? It's in writing ok? Even worse bud. Thanks for the appeal to emotion though. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 12:10 ketomai wrote: I love finding mafia day 1.Well, whether or not my belief is incorrect or not doesn't matter because it's inconsequential. I'm trying to reassure you because you're so up in arms about it but you can do what you want, I don't really care. Again, I'll post a more detailed analysis if I can get home early enough to read tomorrow. I'm done replying to you for now! People of this town. Note how ketomai manages to self-flagellate Translation: Hey man, leave me alone. I'm just posting for the sake of posting but want to go back hiding in the shadows. ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 12:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: kush should probably die too, btw. Agreed. Hes got no kahunas this game ~moc | ||
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On June 11 2014 12:30 TicaTica wrote: Should we be familiar with you?How he thinks make people scummy very odd. His read are nonsense; summarize play and calling it scummy. Feeling very odd. Mayhaps he is just less good of player and am not familiar with me. | ||
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On June 11 2014 12:45 Rainbows wrote: If CR is town, he is trying to figure out your intentions with your reads post. To see if YOU are mafia. If this is the case, why does he ask "Why not Palmar?" or "Why tica = null". He asks a question about every one of your reads. Feels like homework. Not all of the questions were bad, just some like "why is this scummy" when that should have been self-explanatory. <3 | ||
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BM went from ugly duckling into beautiful swan. ##Unvote Robik is flying & im playing video mafia. Defaulting to Ketomai who hasnt provided any of his promised analysis. ##Vote: Ketomai ~moc | ||
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On June 12 2014 09:31 Erandorr wrote: why isnt foolishness doing something you can sheep did those guys get scum this game Where are you up to in the thread, pls ~moc | ||
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On June 12 2014 09:36 Erandorr wrote: im doing filter reading right now of people who I know can be useful except marv hes a spammer Do what you want. My suggestion is to read the thread. Theres still 24hrs. Selective reading, produces selective context, and meaningless reads. ~moc | ||
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On June 12 2014 09:45 Erandorr wrote: If you think that I have enough time to read the entire thread and think selective reading produces bad reads that do not benifit town and probably by that logic let scum get away with bad posting, you still would let me do what I want? You are so sweet I try to be as accommodating to all types of filth. Thank you for the kind words. ~moc | ||
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Im playing vid mafia. & robik is in a plane. Tough mammories. ~moc | ||
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Pretty solid assumption. I read up to like pg 50 or 60. It's 830am and way too early to process shit that I read. Will be doing that later. I'm counting on Moc to carry us until we get nk'd or until I have enough free time to contribute. Having said that, hopefully he's more right about the game than I am since we've disagreed on a lot of shit up to now. | ||
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On June 13 2014 07:04 marvellosity wrote: someone feel like making themselves look town and look at Rainbows? I'm not sure I like how he was on s&b, then he essentially agreed with my case but didn't move wagons. like... he said that koc could be bad or mafia, but he seemed way too certain on s&b being mafia who didn't seem to have done enough to warrant that certainty vs the umming and ahhing about koc dunno if i'm making too much of that or what. He's town. -Robik | ||
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On June 13 2014 07:18 marvellosity wrote: would you mind telling me what led you to that conclusion then? 90% chance that was matt posting and if so that was 100% a lie. If it was Phil, it's still 100% a lie | ||
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Will be leaving SF tomorrow @ 1pm. Going out with some friends tonight to watch Game 4. Coming back to Berkeley on the 15th-17th. Beer? Whiskey? | ||
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On June 13 2014 07:22 Koshi wrote: Robik could you check JaT, MZ and Chrom? ##Foolishness read: MZ Mocsta is in charge of doing actual work cause I don't have time to do real stuff yet. I'm sitting at 21st Amendment brewery right now just keeping up with the thread. I didn't even know who we lynched until like 10 mins ago. Go town! Many clears. Not sure who they are, but yeah, we should clear the people who pushed on the guy that got lynched. But prolly less credit to those who jumped on half way or something and those that piled on at the end when it was clear he was the lynch (if that's what happened. Just assuming it is) I liked Chrome and JaT early d1. Don't remember any posts from MZ. Can lynch. Or vigi shoot. | ||
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On June 13 2014 07:29 Koshi wrote: How can you like JaT early? Because he said this. | ||
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Why'd you bus your teammate d1? That seems like a bad strat. | ||
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Go Brazil ! Starting from page 75, but Robik told me the lynch result - awesome work guys keeping up the TL tradition !! ~moc | ||
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On June 13 2014 08:41 Koshi wrote: Well MZ is calling me an idiot. I dont know if that counts. koshi/MZ not m/m | ||
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Personally I prefer vig on unreadable lurkers. Allows us to use the lynch on people that are readable and produce associative information. Players like Slam, Kush and others are solid choices for a vig. ~moc | ||
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On June 14 2014 00:31 ketomai wrote: I don't see the problem with not being confident about anything on the first day. In fact, the "stunning" case marv made for KoC actually did not seem that convincing to me personally. The lynch was so easy (among other reasons) that it makes me think he could possibly be bussing. Maybe it's just my personal preference, but I like to use more concrete evidence like voting patterns and associative evidence, which is not available on the first day. Yes! Marv evil. Ive been catching up and thats the thought thats constantly been circling inside my mind. The fact that you said it makes me believe even more that I/we were right and you tland marv are teammates | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:19 marvellosity wrote: yes i randomly lynched my team-mate who was under no suspicion and lowered our KP for shits and giggles. Well done roundabound. I think the dude whose name starts with K TMId the shit out of that. I think it was a subconscious thing to do knowing that you are actually mafia and actually bussing your teammate. It also doesnt give you much credit if SnB is maf PR or whoever else was on the chopping block. Boy you're too good to be true. Cant keep my eyes off of you. | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:34 Holyflare wrote: cop checking robik tonight Are you rollswapping with me? | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:48 marvellosity wrote: roundabound's filter is kinda terrible after the initial exchanges that made him look town. Removing from townlist This is a quality post. Get accused and just shoot down anyone who opposes you without cause. Must be nice to have this type of reputation. | ||
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I find the K dude scummy and what he said felt like TMI. Youre not my top priority but I feel very nervous about what happened. If SnB is PR maf, I think the chance your maf increases like 100fold | ||
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On June 14 2014 05:37 marvellosity wrote: omg holland are fucking DESTROYING spain I know right!! I thought it was sealed after the penalty, what an awesome header though to equalise. + Hi batsnacks ![]() ~moc | ||
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The problem I had, still have, and may continue to experience with Ketomai is: for every attempt at contribution he makes, there is an additional of self-flagellation. This is on par with the renown "newbie claim" where you sell yourself as inexperienced in the hopes of being ignored, and thus, blending in - the sacred mafia goal to survival. TL;DR Ketomai is actively attempting to blend in. Whilst this can be a town trait; Ketomai juggles this performance with fabricated arguments that are both simple to disprove and extremely superficial. Thus, I can only attribute this recurring behaviour to rolling mafia. Pre KotC lynch On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote: I'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet. I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion. This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone. On June 11 2014 11:51 ketomai wrote: @roundabout I skimmed both situations and you were the more likely one of the two; I thought that should've been obvious. I'm casting the vote early in case something happens so I don't get instant modkilled. Obviously when I'm done reading the thread and thinking about things I'll most probably give my opinions and change it up. Until then, you can pretty much disregard my vote for you as filler after a cursory glance at both situations. On June 11 2014 12:10 ketomai wrote: Well, whether or not my belief is incorrect or not doesn't matter because it's inconsequential. I'm trying to reassure you because you're so up in arms about it but you can do what you want, I don't really care. Again, I'll post a more detailed analysis if I can get home early enough to read tomorrow. I'm done replying to you for now! On June 12 2014 12:33 ketomai wrote: I'm here and I realize you're just pressuring me to respond, but reading 50 straight pages of mostly spam is honestly exhausting (and impossible for me after a long day at work). I gave up in the middle and just took a cursory glance through filters and whatnot for current top votes. I also took a look at a few other people that showed up near the beginning of the thread. I'll try to keep up with the thread from now on. Hopefully there's less spam in the future because missing 1 day so far seems to be catastrophic. Top votes: Koshi: Leaning slightly towards mafia. Biggest flag is his lack of cooperation with town as noted by others. He doesn't really argue, he just tries to pass off his viewpoints on the grounds that it should be obvious. I'm willing to wait on how he responds now that he's under pressure now and after he's promised to be more cooperative, however. He hasn't really contributed much other than defending himself. Also, I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but that doesn't really make him more or less mafia. Exo: Leaning slightly towards town. He doesn't spam up the thread and has only posted the few times he's confident in his opinion. However, his last post that also contained his vote jumped to a conclusion really fast without much evidence. The way he said it leaves room for change, like my own vote, so I'm also not too suspicious of that. It feels more like he honestly doesn't know who to vote for because there's so much spam/finger pointing as a newer player. Roundabout: No read. When he was attacking me earlier I thought he was doing that to everyone to create some chaos, but after looking through the filters he hasn't really done much past the early game. The point about him not contributing much is true, but not enough grounds to seem mafia yet; the game is early. The jump on me was a bit strange since I, personally, felt it was useless garbage spamming up the thread, but I'll ignore that. I would like to see him post more now that the "heat" is off of him. strongandbig: Seems a little bit like mafia. Would be the easy pick to vote but I'd love to see him defend himself first because like my suspicions for every one else after 1 day, I'm not sure. If anything, a lynch wouldn't be so bad just because he's not productive/working w/ the town. ritoky: Currently seems like mafia to me. He's on consistently throughout the day (his posts are very spread out), yet he doesn't really seem to contribute or address the game at all. He's just tunnel visioning Chromatically with nearly all his posts (who I personally have tagged as slightly town, so I naturally disagree with most of what he's saying). Chairman Ray: slightly town. So far everything he posts is pretty logical. I disagree a bit with his leaps on roundabout, but he's defended himself and arguments pretty well, so I like that. He brings up his own arguments to add to town discussion as well, which is usually good if they make sense. MZ: Other than furthering the VA lynchwagon (unless I missed some great post about it), not enough info, no read. Anyway I made a post because I promised it, but as you can see my knowledge of the thread is not very thorough yet. You should view these as my initial thoughts. I feel strongest about ritoky out of the people I checked so I'll vote on him for now to get him to speak out. Another issue I have with this post is the focus on people that have votes. I get on one hand that a time-poor person *may* go straight to the vote counts. On the other hand, I can not fathom why a townie that is not literate with the thread would trust the votes of ANY person to then perform this analysis. Again, for every positive action ketomai makes; it is self-countered with a more significant negative. Post KotC lynch On June 13 2014 11:57 ketomai wrote: Nice job on the lynch. In light of that lynch, it changes my opinions on a lot of people and made me look at others. Of those here are the ones that concern me most: sinani: I'm feeling mafia on this one. -KoC admitted after he got lynched that he's quite bad in mafia. It's not out of the question that some of his early defenses could be actual mafia. He went along with KoC's badly supported agenda on batsnacks. -He voted for KoC at the tipping point after it became pretty clear that KoC was going to get lynched already. He actually soft defended KoC before that and then after a couple more votes came in and KoC surpassed SnB, he conceded. Here, he's suggesting that there's nothing wrong with votes on ended bandwagons. Notice where his own vote is when he says this (on the antiquated Koshi wagon). While being on an inactive bandwagon is not exactly a 100% mafia tell (I am guilty as well), being present while having such a vote and being content with it is a lot more mafia. He also does not change his vote or provide any analysis aside from: Here it's already apparent that KoC is the case that should be focused on here yet he ignores marv (and marv called him out on it) and just tries to bring up my case again. He doesn't actually "investigate" KoC until he gets called out on ignoring it. In fact, the people he has problems with in his post history are myself and koshi, who a lot of people were attacking anyway. I obviously know I'm not mafia and I'm starting to think Koshi is less mafia, which makes his cases even more suspicious to me personally. Anyway, besides that just look at his filter. He's basically contributed nothing while going for the easy low hanging fruits. That combined with his suspicious voting and lack of proactivity in analyzing big cases or any cases makes me think he's mafia. + Show Spoiler + Exo: starting to think he's more mafia On June 13 2014 00:40 ExO_ wrote: I actually agree on Kush. When I read his filter, it doesn't even look like he's trying to play. He responded to Obi and HF by saying they should lynch him, and he's the jester. I'm not sure whether to interpret this as him being sarcastic and dismissive, or him just not wanting to play this game. Either way, I don't see him as being helpful in the future if he is going to continue like this. ##unvote ##Vote kushm4sta I'm having a very hard time determining what should indicate mafia, and what should indicate town (especially since it's day 1 and nothing has actually happened yet.) I'm forming opinions of people easily enough, but just thinking, for example, that marvel can be very rude doesn't make him mafia. And people who have been helpful and kind aren't necessarily town. Similarly to sinani, he ignores a lot of big cases. In this post he ignores the KoC train while it's happening (and never addresses it despite being there the whole time) for almost a policy lynch on kush (with not much evidence given). He also in this post milks the newbie card, that everyone has been giving him a pass for, a little too much. For someone who's having a hard time "[indicating] who's mafia", he doesn't seem to put much effort into finding them. His accusations usually do not have a lot of backing, and in this case, his lack of accusations over the course of the whole day combined with that puts him over the top for me. I find this an extremely miscontrued and fabricated depiction of Sinani. Firstly, Ketomai takes issue that Sinani did not consider KotC as a lynch, inferring anyone who does not vote scum: equivocates to scum. Secondly, he completely ignores the fact that Sinani made a case on both Koshi and Ketomai. Guess what.. those are the two people Sinani was willing to vote vote (as proven by Ketomais plucked Sinani quotes). On June 13 2014 12:01 ketomai wrote: Also, for both of those people, they have not actually posted much. It's much less than I thought at first because they have been discussed as potential mafia during the very beginnings of the game. The common theme here is they are laying pretty low without stepping up with any original content. Both are present during the crucial moments before the lynch and do not participate despite clearly paying attention to the game before and during that point. Here ketomai takse the easy road; suggesting lack of participation = mafia, GG. There is no link to mindset in existing filter. I find superficial arguments like this tend to come from very bad town, or mafia. Clearly I tend towards the latter. On June 13 2014 13:19 ketomai wrote: I acknowledge that both alignments can go on a preemptive defense; but this reads odd to me.See, everyone just says I'm mafia without providing a good reason. I'm not against people calling me mafia if they think so, but with so many people doing it without what most would consider solid reasoning yet, it becomes detrimental to the town. My bandwagon is the easiest for mafia to jump on because it's the safe one. Marv has me on his list, and it's the cool thing to do to accuse me with 1 line and that's it. They don't even need to give a reason because no one else is. I'm not saying the people who did are mafia necessarily, but look how many people randomly bring up my name as other bandwagons are going on. Intentionally or not, it potentially gives people an easy out to discussing the real issues that actually have evidence. The reason I haven't been refuting any cases against me is because there really aren't any. I want someone to give me a solid case that I can at least attempt to refute to get this over with. Because as it stands now, my name is just potential misdirection. In blue: He infers that with so many proponents of his lynch, mafia must clearly be involved. Yet, In red: He self-flagellates again, and says the misdirection of his lynch (due to being town) may only be a "potential"/possibility. On June 13 2014 13:33 ketomai wrote: See that's what I don't like about your play. If you weren't seeing KoC, then SAY THAT and say why before you randomly post about someone completely different. You don't want to even talk about people you don't have strong feelings about but you speak up about the randomest of people without solid evidence. I mean you accused Kush previously but your only reasoning is "he asked for it" and "he's trolly". MANY people have been "trolly" this game (Vayneauthority, Palmer, etc). Do you find a borderline policy lynch (by your reasoning) on kush more acceptable than ANY of the cases that have been brought up? I find that that hard to believe. As for why I have so few posts, it's because yes, I am generally only active after work in a 4-5 hour time period. However, I had more of a problem about your post content and when you're inactive rather than the total posts. The total posts was just an observation. This is very ironic given: On June 13 2014 05:01 Amiko wrote: Day 1 - Final Vote Count: strongandbig (4): TheKingOfTheCats was lynched with 11 votes! Night 1 will end in Post KotC, Ketomai comments about Sinani + Exo. Where is *ANY* statement about SnB? The rest of his filter is fluff about theory ~moc | ||
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On June 14 2014 08:11 ketomai wrote: You are the one mincing your words.@roundabout 1st post: Why is it not logical to closely observe cases that seem to have the most steam? When you're short on time you can't reinvent the wheel and observe every case from the ground up. You also misconstrue my intent. I observe the cases not because I trust them but because I'm actually forming my own opinion about the case. The difference here is that I'm choosing which ones that were debated and have work done on them already so I can contribute my thoughts to those cases rather than try to start over with a case that I can not keep pushing due to time constraints. On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote: This does not equivocate with closely observe casesI'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet. I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion. This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone. What you did is quite simple. You went to the vote page, saw who had votes and decided to comment on that. Exo has significantly less posts, yet you can not even muster a description of why "not much that indicates scum" as compared to my slot -- which thread sentiment was tied into. (conveniently). 2nd post: He doesn't just not want to vote, he ignores someone asking him about the case, which was the steaming bandwagon. Also, you need to read again, I did mention myself and Koshi. I considered both myself AND Koshi as easy cases that everyone was jumping on. And you're point about him wanting to lynch Koshi. Look how strongly he actually wants to lynch Koshi. He really doesn't try to explain anything or change any opinions after his first post (which after that point, the bandwagon for it is long gone). It would not be suspicious if he continued fighting for a Koshi lynch but he just leaves his vote on there with no explanation or discussion despite being present as MULTIPLE bandwagons passed it. Mine is clear however. Both town and mafia can ignore "steaming" cases. If anything, assuming Marv is town and Sinani is scum It would be essential from Sinani POV to appease Marv regarding KotC. You miss this completely. Instead, Sinani sticks of his previous bullets (Ketomai + Koshi). This can be a play from both alignments, but scum need much bigger balls to do it, whereas, town simply require conviction behind reads - a bias that is inherent. So yes, it is you who is intentionally ignoring information that disproves your "theory". 3rd post: Was an observation to supplement the earlier post. Finding mafia isn't just one big clue, it's an accumulations of facts that don't independently prove anything. Whether an attempt at a proof or observation, the post is a superficial filler. Nothing is dispelled.4th post: My "self-flagellation" is actually an attempt to get town to properly assess my case. Yes, I do that on purpose because I didn't want to continue wasting votes and helping mafia by being constantly accusable with no evidence. Finally, someone has actually tried to come at me; that's good. You're just mincing words with the "potential misdirection part". It's potential misdirection because when my baseless status as a mafia suspect actually garners votes/vigi hits, it becomes actual misdirection that hurts the town in a direct way. I have no way of knowing if mafia are using me as an easy accusation for towncred; that's also misdirection, but I have no way of knowing. I quoted "reads odd" because I understand you can not lynch people off a 'potential' slip.It was purely an additional layer to issues I have. I am more than fine to consider this exhibit null. 5th post about the voting: I did make a case for snb, first content post. He was my 2nd lynch after ritoki and since I saw the case for snb building up and I wouldn't be back in time to vote or participate in further developments, I left my vote on snb. I stated that long before KoC happened. I had to recheck your filter for a "case". Then I realise you meant this list note: strongandbig: Seems a little bit like mafia. Would be the easy pick to vote but I'd love to see him defend himself first because like my suspicions for every one else after 1 day, I'm not sure. If anything, a lynch wouldn't be so bad just because he's not productive/working w/ the town. You miss the point completely I made. I suggest you re-read.You chastise one player for dropping a read without commenting. Yet post-KotC, you dropped SnB (for Sinani + Exo) without commenting on your position on SnB. Hypocrisy, which you are advocating is a scum tell. SnB looks more town to me after that lynch and Exo/Sinani looked more mafia after the lynch. How is it hard to understand that circumstances change. On the first day there's no evidence to go by so you have to look at more abstract and unverifiable evidence. The original case on SnB actually wasn't that strong either (I'd say it was as strong as Marv's KoC case, actually), but it was the 2nd strongest that I could come up with on my first content post. Thats great in hindsight.But your post after the KotC lynch started with: Nice job on the lynch. In light of that lynch, it changes my opinions on a lot of people and made me look at others. Of those here are the ones that concern me most: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451310-tl-order-lxvi-mafia?page=106#2106 btw, theres nothing about SnB there..... ~moc | ||
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I have tried to reason with u openly. But this is now pointless. That snb post is a bunch of fluff and u r hanging onto it way too hard for what it really is. 3 wishy washy sentences in a list post. Scum scum scum *##vote: ketomai | ||
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I read the haru case. I like the second half more than the first. Second is quite damming to me actually. Regarding first half, it's slightly town to me. As town, if he thinks koshi is scum. He's paying attention to the guys wielding koshi pitchforks and comments cr may be disingenuine. That's an astute observation for mafia to throw out in my experience. Typically mafia would be happy to have a read on player x. And are too lazy to note publiclly further interactions. If scum, and koshi is town. This observation holds no weight if koshi flips. Overall, I think the second half is more damming than my points for in the first half. I'm happy with dither ketonai or haru ~moc | ||
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If I was on comp I would quote. .in that first day post about ppl being voted. .u named 3 people as possible scum. Koshi and snb have "slight" modifiers. .ritoky Is clearly the strongest read portrayed at that window of time. Scum scum scum ~moc | ||
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The issue isn't keto dropped snb He's the one making a big deal of this. It's that he is damming someone as scum for dropping a read... When he's done exactly the dame thing. Hypocrisy, no. I agree hypocrisy is a null tell. But I felt he was intentionally misconstruing events to suit his story. Hence forth. Evildoer ~moc | ||
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U just reiterated what I wrote abd implied ![]() Yes, scum want to have multiple leads. E.g. koshi and cr BUT Cr I don't believe was a scum read for anyone at that point in time. Seems a far fetch, to throw out randomly is all I'm saying. If cr was a scum read already, which I can't easily check right now, then you are pprobably right and it was an opportune swing. Feel like helping to confirm if haru was the first on cr? ~moc | ||
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I'm willing to have a think about it after I wake up. I'm happy with haru and keto and will consolidate on haru if required ~moc | ||
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Dat feeling when u realise kp ain't submitted, ey ![]() ~moc | ||
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On June 14 2014 23:28 marvellosity wrote: matt/foolish too. sandroba + mattfool are too good to be allowed to sit back for 2 days doing next to nothing. They get the day 1 pass but not the day 2 pass. This and the previous sandroba post are the towniest youve had all game. just posting reql qucik while catchong up on the pooper. Going wine tasting in 10 mins. Poofter, thoughts on haru/rainbows being two town fighting? | ||
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On June 15 2014 01:00 mattisfoolish wrote: No please. ##Vote: gumshoe Not opposed to sandroba or ketomai either. Also fairly confident that Haru and Rainbows are two townies going ham in the tunnel. ~Foolishness That 2 hour later x-post | ||
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On June 15 2014 03:38 Chromatically wrote: Robik, what's your actual read on marv right now? Sorry if I missed it already. So like, marv is most likely town, but the fact that no one is/was in the least bit paranoid about the bus. I will feel infinitely more comfortable with marv if SnB flips town, but based off of his desire to push two people I think have a laclluster performance so far, hes not someone I want to push today. in fact, if I had a vigi shot, id bang bang SnB as that would give me a lot of info. | ||
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On June 15 2014 04:01 Chromatically wrote: So if you had to rank everyone in the game from scummy to townie, he would be pretty low on the list? Somewhwre down there | ||
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On June 15 2014 04:18 HaruRH wrote: LCS or World Cup... the decision is very real.... So I just want to wait to see if rainbows is willing to let go, if he is ,I will do so too. Why? Theres only 1 right answer to this question | ||
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I don't like he used my points for him as a defence, and then has contributed nothing further??? Haru I will let bygones be, if u do is very weird. I see both alignments doing that. It's more a personality thing on how u deal with politics. What makes it weird is the spiel beforehand where he tried to SELL it. It's over the top and doesn't feel natural. I align that not Sith desperate town, but desperate scum. I haven't reread ketomai yet, pretty busy today though. Will try after lunch, otherwise I'm down with haru or sandroba/mattfool ~moc | ||
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On June 14 2014 11:29 sinani206 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2014 07:37 roundabound wrote: So.... The problem I had, still have, and may continue to experience with Ketomai is: for every attempt at contribution he makes, there is an additional of self-flagellation. This is on par with the renown "newbie claim" where you sell yourself as inexperienced in the hopes of being ignored, and thus, blending in - the sacred mafia goal to survival. TL;DR Ketomai is actively attempting to blend in. Whilst this can be a town trait; Ketomai juggles this performance with fabricated arguments that are both simple to disprove and extremely superficial. Thus, I can only attribute this recurring behaviour to rolling mafia. Pre KotC lynch Another issue I have with this post is the focus on people that have votes. I get on one hand that a time-poor person *may* go straight to the vote counts. On the other hand, I can not fathom why a townie that is not literate with the thread would trust the votes of ANY person to then perform this analysis. Again, for every positive action ketomai makes; it is self-countered with a more significant negative. Post KotC lynch I find this an extremely miscontrued and fabricated depiction of Sinani. Firstly, Ketomai takes issue that Sinani did not consider KotC as a lynch, inferring anyone who does not vote scum: equivocates to scum. Secondly, he completely ignores the fact that Sinani made a case on both Koshi and Ketomai. Guess what.. those are the two people Sinani was willing to vote vote (as proven by Ketomais plucked Sinani quotes). Here ketomai takse the easy road; suggesting lack of participation = mafia, GG. There is no link to mindset in existing filter. I find superficial arguments like this tend to come from very bad town, or mafia. Clearly I tend towards the latter. I acknowledge that both alignments can go on a preemptive defense; but this reads odd to me. In blue: He infers that with so many proponents of his lynch, mafia must clearly be involved. Yet, In red: He self-flagellates again, and says the misdirection of his lynch (due to being town) may only be a "potential"/possibility. This is very ironic given: Post KotC, Ketomai comments about Sinani + Exo. Where is *ANY* statement about SnB? The rest of his filter is fluff about theory ~moc Well, I guess you did my job for me. <3 now time to go get rid of some low prio Aaahhhh I interpretted this as you coming back with thoughts Hhhmmmm. Carry on Edit. I see you have ~moc | ||
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On June 15 2014 12:41 Chromatically wrote: I've been rereading Mocsta's case on ketomai because I didn't understand it the first time, and it doesn't really do it for me. I don't majorly disagree with any of the points, I'm just not really convinced. The one thing I don't like about keto is that he's been here today, and I don't know who he wants to lynch. Other than that, some of his wording rubs me the wrong way? But not for any particularly scummy reason I can think of. I would rather lynch others. I understand there is town that do not have concrete thoughts; and can be swayed from counter-argument to counter-argument. Keto does not appear to be one of those town; and therein lies my core issue. Keto has purpose behind his play I think; thus, all the "self-deprecation" & "self-flagellation" is intentional. I associate that with mafia mindset. I have re-read my case, and still agree with it. If people choose not to agree with the self-deprecation, fine. But then the at least consider the hypocrisy evident in what Ketomai considers to be scum traits (via his cases) and how those same traits directly apply to his filter. Yes, town can be hyopcrites; but ketomai is in control of what he posts. He is not one of those towns that sway from counter-argument to counter-argument; which makes me consider his cases as both fabricated and superficial. Again, traits of mafia. All his counter-arguments ignore the crux of my points too (e.g. regarding SnB). Instead, he tries to shift the weight of my argument away from that crux; and in the process over exaggerate the facts in his filter. My vote is remaining. Off to lunch now ~moc | ||
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On June 15 2014 13:42 Holyflare wrote: Mocsta you still didn't explain your case to me it's hard to read it because ugly When did you ask? You're a law guy, I am sure out of everyone you ar the most qualified to dsisect it. ~moc | ||
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Ermmm It has a Tldr at the start. I dunno what mire u want ~moc | ||
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Put ya money where ya mouth is O/w you are all talk, in a mafia oriented way. ~moc | ||
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Lawman ~moc | ||
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On June 15 2014 15:24 Holyflare wrote: If ket wasn't going to be lynched today who would you be tunneling next mocsta? I'm fine with haru ~moc | ||
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sigh apolgies to all ~moc | ||
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On June 15 2014 23:07 Mocsta wrote: Hodor ~moc | ||
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Pls walk me through some thoughts. 1. Marv hasn't done much this cycle. What makes him more townie? 2. I get sinani is difficult because there isn't an official response to your first set of q. But What makes u 2 different to haru/rainbow? 3. Do u have a reason to suspect rainbow other than the continual campaign for haru votes? ~moc | ||
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I know u americanos need as much assistance as possible. Hehehe ![]() ~moc Hodor | ||
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On June 15 2014 23:18 ketomai wrote: 1) The Palmar flip. He was already unbelievably likely to be townie. Now he's just a bit more. 2) Because I actually have a case on sinani and have made cases on other people. I am by no means tunneling him like he is tunneling me. I'm not even voting for him for an "easy" vote. 3) Nothing strong. Haru's case is stronger (see day 1 vote, see start of altercation) I can't shake this feeling. All your responses read to me like a guy that is prepared for an interview. All the token stuff I want hear. It perturbs me. I do agree between about hsaru though. Can I have your current assessment of koshi pls. ~moc | ||
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On June 15 2014 23:19 Koshi wrote: Giving townreads because it is easy. Scumreads are omgus even though he is reading thread. Not a single interesting thought. How does this delineate from typical kush play? I don't see how u can ignore Haru, keto, mattfool or sandroba to chase this lead.... Seriously. That post above is not going to campaign a swing vote.. I have no idea where you are trying to go with this ~moc | ||
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On June 15 2014 23:26 yamato77 wrote: moc we should kill kush I said it at night and will say it again. Players like kush and slam et all should be saved for the vig. Kush is a crap shoot and a lynch won't produce much information towards his team, nor will it reduce kp. Surely with 135 pages we can target a better choice... Like haru, mattfool, or even sandroba and keto. ~moc | ||
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On June 15 2014 23:35 Koshi wrote: WHY IS SANDROBA A BETTER LYNCH THAN KUSH. MOCSTAAAAAA? Sandroba is known to do nothing as scum Notnposting in 24hrs is sorta acceptable.. But sandroba has exceeded that I believe. My memory of sandroba is destroying my scum team in LoL and banding town together. Maybe its too early for the first part, but def seen none of the last. I seen kush play plenty of styles and I dunno what is typical for him anymore. Him changing read on me seems more inline with town games from my experience.... ~moc | ||
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Are you town? ~moc | ||
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Why kush over mif or haru or keto (wh won't answer if he is town lol) ~moc | ||
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Will u be my padawan? ~moc | ||
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That's good enough in my book..... ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 00:05 Koshi wrote: Rubicktheamazingmagus his padawan be I could. Mocsta meh. You know those games you replaced in and killed? That mocsta follow I would. I am not too impressed by that case you made on keto. Well the case is understandable but so is the defense. The defense even more. Lololol What games? Everyone knows I'm shite. Just ask Marv. ~moc | ||
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Hhmmmm ~moc | ||
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I will join the wag on of justice ##unvote ##vote:mif Night ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 00:18 Koshi wrote: Probably has more words in ver game. Can you show me fool game in which he does nothing as scum? This is not apples for apples Matt lurks And fool barely plays anymore Sample size is not comparable to kush ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 00:29 justanothertownie wrote: No, I claim having a brain. If it neccessary that HF is scum for your little theory to be true then he is the correct vote and not kush. This. ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote: I'm not asking for a claimThe janitor has 3 actions. I am saying he used rb and because town vigi shot mz the rb is now used by scum to gain cred. This is maybe far fetched but not so far. But ifnu r vt, I can't follow this not so far logic... And u shouldn't expect others to either Nuff said ~moc | ||
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-Robik Edit: clearly my other brain doesnt agree | ||
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On June 16 2014 02:45 Koshi wrote: Exactly. Sense you are now making. Kush his alignment cant be proven by mz dieing or you rb. like almost every other person in the game. So wahts ya point... | ||
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On June 16 2014 02:49 TicaTica wrote: Look at where an when things have come up. Semi late push. No reasonable counter push. Votes spread all around. I'd look at Ket and Haruh. I don't think the rainbows Haru shit was town on town at all. No counter push? Kush, no? Sandroba, no? The vote spread around is not indicative to me of mafia being happy or unhappy with the vote. Its indicative of lack of leadership. Every bob, joe, dick and harry is going around saying "Player XYZ" is mafia; there has not been a driving force towards consolidation. Robik and me finally caught up to chat & we agree rainbows/haru is not town + town either. However I havent seen a good reason to not vote MIF other than potential to solve the game (which is applicable to a multitude of players left in the pool). ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote: What the fuck kind of awful is that post mocsta? You agree Rainbows and haru isn't town on town but you're just sheeping onto Foolishness who at this point of time is a coin flip (thw worst one at that because at least he's posted stuff). What happened to mafia ket and now mafia rainbows/haru? You're just ditching them? Put ya money where ya mouth is then. Last I checked, its not a fellony to vote on ppl I think are scum. ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 03:24 HaruRH wrote: you know what, I don't care anymore. nobody has made a convincing case against me at all. None of you. Go ahead, lynch me today. I'll drop by 10 minutes before the lynch tomorrow and write my final remarks. Enjoy the mislynch guys Dude, talk about overreaction.. wtf. You have ONE, read (1) vote on you. If town, the best thing you can do is "continue to' push reads OTHER than Rainbows. ~moc | ||
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That one vote is certainly going to lynch scum at this pivotal moment, what, 30min from deadline. LOl.. obviously you have some conviction in ya former read to drop it so haphazardly. *clap clap* ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 03:36 Holyflare wrote: Not really theres an hour and a half left to lynch you. The point remains. Your best scum target is an AFK'r... and you dropped that solely for being provoked - yet I am the scummer... TROLOLOLOLOL. The only thing you ahve got going for you is an RB -- which could even be town generated. When you finish jacking off and want to be productive; theres a 5man wagon on MIIF you can bolster onto. ~moc | ||
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Not the people, per say, but the lacl of consolidation that is going to give us jack shit for information. Also, snb needs to die at some point...the sooner the better | ||
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On June 16 2014 03:44 Holyflare wrote: That post shows you haven't read a thing. Of all the lurkers I'm MOST comfortable with Foolishness because he dislikes gumshoe for good reasons. Sandroba follow meta, better lynch. Kush is actually a good lynch but everyone has pretty much expressed they won't lynch him, I've tried the past 4 days. Robik has played beyond awful this game and he isn't that awful to think marv was bussing cats rofl. That is genuinely the worst thing I've ever heard in my life and your ket case was balls when i actually read it. You aren't discussing anything at all just stating things and peace out when you've said some mediocre tidbit. its 3am so feck off if i cant remember anything and i recall you pushign sandroba, NOT MIF. btw, forza italy ! ~moc | ||
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back to soccer ![]() ~moc | ||
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is this game even worth playing anymore. sigh `moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 05:25 27ninjabunnies wrote: Helloooooo Boys ![]() I'm completely caught up with the game, so if you have any questions at all for me on certain people or cases, ask away. I know Errandor didn't contribute jack shit, but I'm hoping I can bring some thoughts and such and lynch some mafia! So, a few thoughts/ things I've noticed. @Roundabound- Robik is town. Mocsta is mafia. Sorry, Rob, but mocsta's scuminess outweighs your towniness. Lynch/shoot them as well. On June 16 2014 06:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:B] For Round- Like I said, Rob part is reading townie to me, Mocsta part is reading scummy. Mocsta outweighs rob's townieness. But day 1 Rob was townie, asking questions, completely disagreeing with the half of his hydra. Seems a little ballsy for them to be mafia from Rob's pov. Mocsta-however, idk. His reads don't sit with me. Also, i found it weird he was willing to go with any wagon being haru and yamato) over a read on keto that he had been pushing quite a bit. Rainbows- Idk. I was iffy about the whole Haru/Rainbows thing, as I was reading haru pretty townie, and rainbows not so townie. I played detention mafia with him, and though he wasn't super like detention mafia, it seemed he was playing slightly similar. Rainbows- never played with i don't think. Not sure how to read, so null. One - Thanks for beign an active follower. Its pretty clear you have a good idea of the thread. This is a refreshing change. Based on impetus alone, I am willing to give you a town lean; or at the least, benefit of the doubt. Regarding myself. I find your reads in general completely tunneled and association-based towards interactions with an unflipped me. This is poor play in general. Many times in your filter you have said "XYZ" is town or scum, because of how they talked to me. A rethink is needed I think; and if you believe those players are genuinely mafia, you should be able to delve into mindset quite easily. Further, your synopsis is wrong. Robik and I have barely had any joint conversation before ewntering the thread. Hes been away when im here; and vice versa. In addition, I continually pushed the keto read all cycle. Your summary is far fetched. I only changed votes towards the very end when consolidation was critical. This is well document in my filter; yet, somehow you miss this??? Confirmation bias???? Regarding rainbows; he is town. On par with Marv this game. No offence, but given you are one of the few players to state you preferred Haru over Rainbows; and I know you are wrong on me. I can not take your stance on Rainbows seriously. He is town for approach, mindset & conviction. ~moc | ||
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Aside from that, fuck all. We've talked a few times, but its all been superficial i dont liek xyz, but no counter arguments. ~moc | ||
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I had the same problem in the Hydra only game where I was with GoodKarma. ~moc | ||
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I stayed onto Keto for a majority of the cycle. I don't see what is scummy about jumping off a 1 vote wagon; to consolidate with alt. reads? Regarding the rest; you are taking it out of context. But hey, no cb right? ~moc | ||
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NO ! we were town that won the game with a nuke no scum ! (having said that it was a perfect game) ~moc | ||
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I did hydra with rayn on this account as scum. We were in sync; everyone town read us, i got bored and claimed scum for fun. It hink that was my last game on TL. ~moc | ||
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The 4 ppl me n Robik are treating as highest priority for detailed diving are: SnB CR Yam MIF He dosent agree with Keto; so im willing to sideline this one for a little bit. ~moc | ||
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Very similar page Sweet. ~moc | ||
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I disagree in full with Keto case on Sinani (as I already disproved); however, I dont note anything from him beyond his 2 cases mid Day1. For me his biggest sticking point is that he has used my disproval as a defense for himself; yet, has denied it (whilst contributing nothign further) ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:12 Tehpoofter wrote: Wow really? That is surprising I've never hydrad or seen a wolf hydra that I recall they've all been villager. I will rethink a bit but I really am reading robik as wolf and Moc as village for agreeing with me on Ketowolf. (Hydra only game sounds fun) You shouldnt town read me just for agreeing on one case. Hopefully you liked my approach to dealing and trying to understand Keto instead. As for the hydra; I think the situation marv is referring to specifically does occur when a mafia hydra is under pressure and both ppl are posting off the cuff /(read: bullshitting) at the same time. ~moc | ||
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me n robik are literally 12hrs apart. The only reason im talking to him in live convo is due to the cup games being atr very bad times for me ![]() Thank goodness, the games have all been worthwhile watchign though ! Forza italia ![]() ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:20 marvellosity wrote: i'll forza your italia at this rate. c'mon twas a good game. Still that van persie header, man.. that was freaking amazing. ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote: C'mon scum double stack me I can take you all on On June 16 2014 05:58 27ninjabunnies wrote: Slam, I'm disappointed in you this game. I was reading you pretty townie d1, but you've slacked off. Help me out here buddy. Why are you town?? And who is the mafia? On June 16 2014 06:00 Alakaslam wrote: I been gone Just got here Decided "forget these 20 pages what is happening now eh?" While waiting for someone in parking lot "HIJOLE 5 MINUTES BANDWAGON" Then drive So At least I didn fret modkilled. And I am town because (host) saw for for whatever reason. I am unsure who is scum maybe VA I see his frog and toad On June 16 2014 06:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: There are 5 mafia left, yes? You gotta give me something better than VA. But why VA? On June 16 2014 06:05 Alakaslam wrote: Yamato? I dunno shizzl Va I told you I see his frog and toad Like I dont get how this interaction makes him town even on gut feel. And you are leading him as well; which OK maybe trying to goad him to make a reasonable response, but i cant follow this. Sorry. ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:45 27ninjabunnies wrote: Actually, I hate the r word, so please don't use that. Also, i dont think that all. It's just how i get my reads. But it's obv all this is doing is discrediting me, so im just gonna shut up now. Continue with whatever, im gonna be afk from this game for awhile. Playing video maf tonight. I am playing vid mafia now ![]() ummm.. i wasnt trying to discredit you. i was saying i dont understand how you obtain such a strong disposition of that evidence. We are asking you to walk us through it; because to JAT + myself and prob others, it looks quite vague on slam behalf. ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: They were warned and will be modkilled if they don't vote again. Is this what you meant? Thank you. `moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:52 justanothertownie wrote: Isn't that just great they were warned. Host really showed them who is boss! Whilst I agree. I said thank you because the outcome is now known. In fairnses, if 6 ppl were modkilled, the game could be over; or at the very least completely demotivating. Twas a hard choice to make. ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:57 27ninjabunnies wrote: @ JAT- but you were saying i thought he was one. Bleh, sorry, I just have illsentiments to that word.. @Moc- really? Also, i watched you play on DM the other day. Not too shabby. I tried to give my explaination as best as I could, and thats what Im sticking with. @ Banks- bout time you did some work ![]() Playing on boonetown channel. Thanks, handlebars are gone ![]() OK... To confirm Now that you have re-read the slam dialogue; are you standing by that content eliciting a firm town read? ~moc | ||
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On June 16 2014 13:40 yamato77 wrote: Exo thinks I'm townier right now than D1? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL God, you n00bs make me laugh. Yam totes town ~moc | ||
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![]() It's nice that you took over for an inactive. I feel somewhat strong about you being town here, which saves us a possible town modkill/mislynch. You're wrong about Mocsta being scum though. He is town by association. Also, if vigi wants to shoot CR/SnB that would be A-OK in my book. | ||
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On June 17 2014 02:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i have nb as town and im willing to eat shit endgame if she isnt. id believe it. DO you wnt to provide anything that isn't the easiest read ever? | ||
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On June 17 2014 02:56 yamato77 wrote: These are the same silly things banks is saying. You two are perfect for each other. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I can't lynch yamato after this comment | ||
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2. Koshi - town 3. ritoky - meh/maf 4. Rainbows - top town 5. justanothertownie - meh/town 6. sandroba - maf 7. ExO_ - meh/town 9. Erandorr replaced by 27ninjabunnies - town 10. sinani206 - meh/maf 11. kushm4sta - meh/maf 12. Tehpoofter - town? 15. Alakaslam - meh/meh 16. mattisfoolish (Foolishness/Mattchew Hydra) - meh/maf 17. gumshoe - meh/maf 18. Chairman Ray - maf 19. roundabound (Mocsta/IAmRobik Hydra) - Toppest town 21. strongandbig - maf 23. marvellosity - towny 24. Holyflare - meh/town 25. TicaTica - meh/meh 26. ketomai - maf 27. batsnacks - meh/meh 28. VayneAuthority - meh/maf 29. Chromatically - town 30. yamato77 - maf | ||
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On June 17 2014 03:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: nine scumreads even though there are only five scum left. thats cool. Besides yamato, which do you not agree with? Also, I put you as town before I decided to distinguish the people I'm not sure about with the mehs, you're a meh/town. I didn't bother going back and fixing the list. | ||
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On June 17 2014 03:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: im just making fun of you. the sad part is that there are so many people not playing that i have to sit here and agree with your list, even though thats physically impossible. I finally figured out the answer to your question about yamato earlier | ||
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Man, I was waiting for you to ask. I was f5ing every couple seconds. You're calling him town so that he doesn't nk you. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Also, I want to drop some knowledge. I decided that poofter is town, not meh/town. I feel like he really really wanted to piss off palmar this game by saying wolf/villager, and I don't think he would nk him n1. | ||
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On June 17 2014 03:52 27ninjabunnies wrote: Eh, while I agree poof is prob town, I wouldn't say it's because of this reason. Banks would kill anyone anytime as long as it is strategic and helps mafia win (he's said this himself) Just because he wanted to piss off palmer, doesn't mean he wouldnt nk him. Especially since it also pisses kush off. Please to stop shitting on my reads. They're my reads. You don't have to share them. I know Banks will kill his mother IRL if it helps him win a game of mafia, but the thought came to my head so I posted it. I don't think it should be overlooked. | ||
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yes there is 1) say yamato is a bad shot 2) say yamato is town 3) say yamato is a bad shot cause its bad for information (not a bad shot because he's town) Feel free to explain to all us idiots calling yamato scum why yamato is town instead. Thanks | ||
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On June 17 2014 04:08 Holyflare wrote: why is rainbows super town when you said haru/rainbows wasn't town/town? I thought that haru was the mafia of the two. His shiftiness was very scummy. He said he was willing to back up off of rainbows. There were 2 possible reasons for that 1) he thought rainbows was town for how he was responding to him or 2) he thought that he was shitting in the thread too much and wasn't being productive. He gave neither of these answers when I asked him. That doesn't really answer why I think rainbows is town, but i thought rainbows was way townier through their interaction and reacted to everything in a way townier way. No matter, rainbows is super duper town, and I would never want to lynch him | ||
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On June 17 2014 04:17 Holyflare wrote: so why didn't you end up voting on haru then and instead voted WITH haru and ket onto yamato but not onto haru? Australians. | ||
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On June 17 2014 04:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: you are indeed a pair of well-spoken gentlemen. i believe i should respect your eloquence with an answer. yamato is really uninspiring this game compared to his foundations reads (even though he wasn't REALLY in that game). I felt like I could trust his reads there, but I barely remember them here, besides that little spat he had where marv kept calling him an idiot. I guess I'll dive into that tomorrow. P.S. thanks for the compliment. egegegegeg USA! | ||
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On June 17 2014 04:37 justanothertownie wrote: You already touched on this a bit but why is rainbows top town exactly? I don't see it at all. Cause he's colorful and gives me a hardon. He also voices his opinions very vocally and very often and I feel like scum bitches just sit back and take shit as it comes. If I remember correctly, his reads aligned with mine a bit in the early game. I might also be biased because I think he was one of the first people to call me town. Also, the way he approached the situation with haru (even though haru flipped town) was super town and I'm just really comfortable with him. My read on him as town is so strong that you might as well just assume I'm a cop with a green check on him...even though I'm not the cop and I don't have any green checks. | ||
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I know why I do. I'll read the rest of you post in a second. That was the thing that insta-caught my eye. I felt like I was the only one reading JAT as town lol | ||
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On June 17 2014 04:56 marvellosity wrote: ritoky, if you're town dear, i really want to see interactivity from you during Day 3. MARV SIGHTING! Marv citing? | ||
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kushm4sta the ?????? has been slain! dafuq? | ||
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Let's go ahead and push CR and SnB today. Let's get shit done while I'm around. I'm probably heading out to watch the USA game at a bar in 30min-1hr. May return later. Will be drunky | ||
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On June 17 2014 05:37 justanothertownie wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense for them to roleblock koshi instead of janitoring kush if kush was mafia? I mean they obviously were sure kush was the shot, no? Knowing scum has a janitor gives some merit to HF's claim that he was RB'd. | ||
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There's a distinction between jail and RB from mods? | ||
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Also, from here on out, in honor of banks, I will be utilizing the terms villagers and wolves. | ||
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On June 17 2014 05:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: Yeah, they can be. And it's not newbie level scumhunting. It's my sumhunting XD confirmed newblevel. | ||
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Also, why are we steering away from CR who may have had the scummiest d2? Also, why aren't we resolving SnB who 1) has been scummy 2) if town, would allow us to lynch all non-voters of that maf dude that died d1? | ||
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On June 17 2014 06:10 marvellosity wrote: I looked at CR and I wasn't totally sure about him. I got thrown off by his retraction of his batsnacks read. huh? | ||
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if we don't have a vigi anymore, then obviously we need to be killing MIF and sandro. Having said that, I'm happier keeping them alive for now if there are better UTR targets to lynch because they COULD be useful at some point, moreso than scrubby players who will not be as useful further down the road. The two of them (3 of them) really need to step up their game though cause this has been completely unacceptable so far. I think that SnB fits really well in the needs to die right now, especially if you're taking CR off the table. If we find out that SnB is town, then lynching the people who voted him or tried to lead a lynch of him (maybe not lead the lynch, but maybe jumped on in the middle or end) should be our top priority. I wasn't around for that end of day, so I don't know exactly how things went down, but I think that the SnB flip would be game-changing. If SnB flips scum or especially scum PR, well then we need to look into people pushing away from SnB and the dude that was lynched. Or maybe even people who were pushing onto the lynch over SnB (yes, I know this refers to you marv and this was kinda a concern of mine several times during this game) | ||
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CR/SnB/ritoky/gumshoe (if someone links me a case on him)/sandro/MIF make shit happen | ||
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On June 17 2014 10:00 sandroba wrote: I'd rather get shot by mafia instead thanks. How are you certain that one of us is mafia? Because both of your filters are about the same length with the same non-existent content (actually, I can remember 1 person who foolishmatt pushed, but I cannot say the same of you). It's funny that you asked that question about foolishmatt when the same exact question applies to you. | ||
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On June 17 2014 11:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: is there any reason people dont want to kill mif? i keep bringing him up and everyone is ignoring me. It's pretty much the offchance that they actually pick up their participation and are a valuable asset to town if they're town. Otherwise, they're definitely one of the people that I have expressed interest in. Pretty much same goes for Sandro. But really, if I'm being really really honest, I enjoy playing with sandro/mif more than other lurkers, and that might be why i'm trying to protect them more than other lurkers/scummier folk | ||
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On June 17 2014 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: everyone is wrong. everyone is wrong and marv is actually mafia. yeah, no shit. we can leave him for later though. | ||
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On June 17 2014 17:45 marvellosity wrote: you are an idiot. I'm Marv and I'm so thick that I can't read sarcasm through the interwebz egegege | ||
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On June 17 2014 17:52 marvellosity wrote: what sarcasm? you've been dumb towards me all game, don't try say it's sarcasm now. I said I changed my read on you a while ago numb nuts. And he was clearly being sarcastic too. You need to get your head out of your ass. | ||
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On June 17 2014 17:54 marvellosity wrote: In any case, if anyone can rationalise those wagon fears over MiF for me, I'd love to kill him. but it makes me scared. I have like 30 possible reasons -- two which stand out being: a bunch of mafia were being voted on or mafia weren't around. Assumptions can make an ass out of you and me though. Oh, it's really tough to push against a wagon of a mafia teammate who isn't there. Mafia would get really self-conscious about it wondering if it would make them look scummy. Having said all that, MIF has managed to escape lynch twice then, so mafia did something right if MIF is maf. | ||
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On June 17 2014 18:23 marvellosity wrote: None of that sounds very convincing though. Mafia all just afk? We managed to be on a bunch of correct wagons? Well we know that's not true, we know that Haru flipped town and Haru was one of the 3-vote wagons at that time. I don't think it's that tough to push against a 5-vote wagon, you just push someone else who you're not pushing for being afk :/ I hate having to rely on rank incompetence in order for something to be true. And that's how it seems atm. Although it's definitely possible. Maf doing something right would in this case mean not trying to save their buddy in any way and hoping marv changes his mind based on this (even though he did not even begin to look like he would on d1 when the wagon was easy) Mr Marvelous. I disagree with your assessment. A 3-man wagon was about all that town could muster without your support. That 3-man wagon took a lot of campaigning to achieve. ~moc | ||
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Also super shady that I dont remember MattIsPhil voting or saying anything today or any other day but hes apparently been aroumd enough to vote today. Just kiddong. I scrolled up and saw he didnt gote today. I giess he voted yesrtdy. Lets lynch that scum! | ||
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On June 17 2014 11:01 sandroba wrote: [/b]Well I know I'm town and was busy and that's why I didn't read at all the past couple days. I don't know what's up with foolishness, if he is town I expect something good from him today. [red]You can lynch me if I don't pick up the pace okay, because I will. I took a look at snb filter and he is a lurker too, so I see that it's become a problem and I'm sorry to be part of it. We will have to deal with it. I don't think snb should be priority though, as it's pretty rare for 2 mafia to be competing on the chopping block day 1. I would go with foolishness for now. I'm gonna take a look on the day 1 events after the koc push started, as I believe most of the good info should be there and I recomend people to do the same. Its been over 24 hrs since this post came out. Need more from sandroba than this week, unsubstantiated stuff on 2 thread sentiment lynches ##Unvote ##Vote: Sandroba ~moc | ||
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On June 17 2014 11:01 sandroba wrote: Well I know I'm town and was busy and that's why I didn't read at all the past couple days. I don't know what's up with foolishness, if he is town I expect something good from him today. You can lynch me if I don't pick up the pace okay, because I will. I took a look at snb filter and he is a lurker too, so I see that it's become a problem and I'm sorry to be part of it. We will have to deal with it. I don't think snb should be priority though, as it's pretty rare for 2 mafia to be competing on the chopping block day 1. I would go with foolishness for now. I'm gonna take a look on the day 1 events after the koc push started, as I believe most of the good info should be there and I recomend people to do the same. Its been over 24 hrs since this post came out. Need more from sandroba than this week, unsubstantiated stuff on 2 thread sentiment lynches ##Unvote ##Vote: Sandroba ~moc | ||
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On June 18 2014 09:29 TicaTica wrote: First off, you of all people have no right to accuse me of not playing. I've done a lot of shit this game. Way more than you have. If you had payed attention at all, you'd have read that I got a townie lynched. Not Marv. Not Koshi. Not you or fool Sandroba or anyone else. I pushed the fuck out of that lynch. As much as I could. I was wrong. Don't care. I'm doing as much as my availability allows. Why aren't you playing? Why when you come up as a target do I even need to defend you against anyone? Why are you bothering to do nothing all game? Like town isn't in a great spot. We've got half the game be mostly inactive (myself included). Why is it that I've pushed a lynch harder than you have in 3 days? Why do you not feel the need to leave town in a better situation and push your reads when you can instead of just picking at people. Like do you not get the point of me prodding you? Make a point. Read a filter. You're not incapable but it's like you're choosing to be so. Don't pick at me when I'm doing as much as I can when I can. I like never want to lynxh tica for this post lol | ||
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On June 18 2014 10:05 Rainbows wrote: Hello CR you are mafia. How do you plea? rainbows; you are in my top town circle but qs like this do not help ppl read you; nor, does it help to get a read off rainbow. Regarding Ketomai: yes still scummy; however, if we look @ opportunity cost: Sandroba represents a much bigger trophy than the unknown ketomai. Sandroba out of his own accord promised to contribute, and has failed to deliver. This is beyond a policy lynch now, we are into day3; and sandroba filter has not cracked 1 page; nor has it produced a single post of merit. We have lazy, high-profile scum here and a perfect opportunity to eradicate scum ~moc | ||
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On June 18 2014 10:50 batsnacks wrote: So, since mattisfoolish is quiet, they must be being quiet as a strategy. Which is a mafia strategy. Someone please tell me that makes sense. Maybe? Or they could jist not want to participate as much cause theyre maf and being maf isnt enjoyable. | ||
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On June 18 2014 10:48 Rainbows wrote: At least you are town, amirite round? /buddy /buddy means "end buddy" You dont wanna be my bff nomore? dont make me rescind my top town read on you + Show Spoiler + yea right, thatll never happen ^_^ | ||
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Will do that when I get home. At the airport on my phome. Too hard. | ||
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Poofter is dead and flipped town so he should also be off you team. The rwst or your reads dony mesh with mine too mich either | ||
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On June 18 2014 11:39 yamato77 wrote: batsnacks' reads are like, total sheep reads idk if I believe he has those reads Did you read his reads?!?!? None of them seem sheeped. Bunnies...me...hf/marv all maf. Gumshoe town. Who is he sheeping these reads from? Lol | ||
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On June 18 2014 11:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: though ill take basically anyone besides eden. seriously. anyone. ill even be balla24, and thats saying something. also, i have batsnacks as town. can we not push him instead of the people that arent doing things? thanks. Ok, you can be cavalinho or sqrt-1. Theyre anyone but eden | ||
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On June 18 2014 12:05 batsnacks wrote: Saying my reads are "terrible" and not giving a reason is the rhetorical equivalent of you just saying "bllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh" Just saying. If a lot of people are reading the aame thing and you're the one that has different reads and youee town, YOU need to explain to us why our reads are wrong | ||
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On June 18 2014 12:00 roundabound wrote: JK needs to not JK marv tonight. Just let medic put a protection on him. Marv is needed tonight for serious business. Yes, I need to reinforce this... even though its not night cycle ~moc | ||
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On June 18 2014 12:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: roundabound answer my question. Which? | ||
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On June 18 2014 12:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: batsnacks, if we put any stock into marv's protection claim, then he's obviously going to be alive for quite a while. idk about hf though, i have him as town as of right now but its a toss up because his scumhunting is always weird imo. also, robik, answer my question. ive got a brand to maintain and im not gonna rep total shmucks. Oh no. The dude is terrible. He kept getting lynched on d1...once as the cop Youve lasted too long in the game to be him | ||
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[QUOTE]On June 18 2014 12:34 sinani206 wrote: By the way. I just pulled up Palmar's point list in Excel, and with the one scum data point we have, and assuming kushm4sta was town to be safe, there are 7 names below KotC. I'm not saying that there are all five (or four) scum in there, but most the common reads that people have right now are in there. I think we should definitely lynch in this list.
You might say that the point system is arbitrary, but it does seem to be working so far, so unless a bunch of outliers start appearing, it does seem to me like something that we as town can use to our advantage.[/QUOTE] Look, you see this? This is why I think he's mafia. [/QUOTE That post was fantastic. Taking off in 1 min. Airplane mode coming on | ||
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On June 18 2014 06:55 mattisfoolish wrote: ok so my buddy foolishness is correct, we think that sandroba is mafia, so marv, thats a fine vote right there if it said the right name. secondly, gumshoe is probably mafia as well i think obi is mafia, his posts during n2(?) were really really off putting to me, however my partnah disagrees and doesnt think so cause he's a silly willy people who shouldnt be lynched until everyone else is dead include marv, chrom, batsnacks, ticatica, round, CR, 27nb So, this is way more than sandro has done and hos list isnt terrible. It at least shows a semblance of paying attention and knowing whats going on. As I was tyoing that to say we shouldnt lynch MIF, I realized that thats probably even scummier than just not showing up like gumshoe is doing. Not sure if it is scummier than sandro promising in the thread to pick up activity and then disappearing though. | ||
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On June 18 2014 15:25 TicaTica wrote: ok so holy shit I'm an idiot and missed Robik's joke at me. It was like a 3/10 at best. I swear I have much better material in my arsenal. The obi stuff was way better | ||
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I get tonight, Aussie time. If Netherlands can beat Spain 5-1.. im scared that we might lose in double digits ![]() ~moc | ||
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On June 18 2014 20:26 marvellosity wrote: that particular thing can wait until postgame :d whatever it may be. Tension mounts. Think about it. I expect your decision before nighttime. Otherwise the two of us are not gonna have fun. If you decide you want JK to rand, ill choose someone else to have fun with | ||
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On June 19 2014 02:04 marvellosity wrote: yes that's a terrible vote. On June 19 2014 02:05 TicaTica wrote: Marv I don't care how bad you think my vote is. | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:10 roundabound wrote: My thoughts and prayers go out to my buddy mocsta. RIP Australia World Cup 2014 Actually, very surprising game. Can be proud to have still lost that one; and can't believe I feel like we shoulda won. Amazing world cup, this brazil one is ![]() ~moc | ||
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On June 18 2014 21:58 yamato77 wrote: Well you acted like you knew him better than me, I kind of expected you to have a reason for it. Sorry. I was driving when I read this and forgot to respond. It's a read I have of mafia in general, but when I said Batsnacks, I just envision a noob player who doesn't think very deeply about the game. That's why he's so fixated in his reads the entirety of the game. I do capitulate that not adjusting reads as the game progresses is definitely a mafia trait moreso than a town one. Whatever, I lean town on him as it seems like he's trying to figure out the game, even if I don't agree with his reads and his methodology. | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:16 strongandbig wrote: So suppose for the sake of argument sandroba is actually town and remembers the game an hour or two before deadline. He comes in and realizes if he doesn't vote he gets modkilled, and if he does we lynch him tomorrow. Would it be a "strategic modkill" and thus cheating if he just continues not posting and gets modkilled? I was thinking about this and was about to post a PSA to him that if he's town, he should just not post and get modkilled at this point. Actually, he should do that if he's mafia too | ||
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On June 18 2014 23:34 strongandbig wrote: I tried to random filter read vayne authority but there's like nothing there that gives a hint of his thought process, just some pictures and some random unjustified conclusions I don't feel like he was like this when I played with him before? This is more what id expect from kush or like mrzentor Unfortunately I don't know what this means for him alignment wise because I haven't played much for a while. So filter read: failure Oh, and this gem | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:22 Chromatically wrote: Yes it would be? Ideally he wouldn't have let it get to that point as town. If he is town, in theory he should do townie stuff all of N3 so that we don't want to lynch him D4. But that is a reasonable point against lynching him today if he shows up. I liked you a lot d1, but don't remember anything from you d2 or d3. It seems like you skating by off of that d1 town read that a lot of people gave you. Please step up your game if you're town. The majority of the posts I remember from you the past 2 days are excuses for a lack of participation. | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:54 roundabound wrote: So, unless we have unanimously decided that we're lynching MIF today and there's nothing that's going to stop us barring some absolutely atrocious scum slip, I think it would be wise to have some sort of counter-wagon with a significant number of votes. quoted for new page. | ||
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yeah, no shit. unless we lynch SnB we won't know what was up d1. nevertheless, i was bringing up the SnB thing because I am trying to explain why we should have a 2nd wagon to MIF. If we unanimously vote him off, mafia can just jump on at any time and not look too shady doing so. | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:09 Holyflare wrote: How on earth does a second wagon give any information whatsoever when the mif lynch is pretty definitive? I already said, that if we have unanimously decided to lynch MIF then it doesn't matter. If we haven't fully committed to it, then a counterwagon is a good thing to have. Did you even read my original post? | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:30 marvellosity wrote: (er, and woman) :x The lack of excitement in your tone/realization of this fact is quite noticeable. | ||
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Everything going according to plan my man. I'm almost soulbound to you. | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:32 marvellosity wrote: dunno what you're trying to say babe. also lol spain. Yay men! oh and a woman ![]() | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:35 Rainbows wrote: Soulbound? So i can't trade you for some shiny coins? ![]() You're all caught up, yes? | ||
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Who wants to do a last minute swap??? ~moc | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:44 roundabound wrote: Chair is one scummy muda farka Who wants to do a last minute swap??? ~moc me ~rob | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: Mocsta why are you only talking about the world cup and let your buddy do all the work? Is this lynch not interesting to you? lynching afkers isn't much fun | ||
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Now let me wqatch my game in peace It's 3.50am ~moc | ||
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Since u my birch Vote cr for us pl0x | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:48 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, do you disagree with the lynch though? The answer is in our filter Stop twitching thy ass ~moc | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:48 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, do you disagree with the lynch though? Not really. I would have voted Sandro over MIF today if Sandro wasn't gonna be modkilled. If I were voting for my top wolf who is participating, it would be CR. Fits the general mafia trend of good d1, fall off into oblivion, with the occasional crappy post and horrendous vote. | ||
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Robin has got it dead on And what didn't u get about it being 4am I'm up to watch soccer. Not play mafia I'm here precisely because it's half time ~moc | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:56 justanothertownie wrote: Hm? Because I wasn't sure if Mocsta signed all his posts. Turns out he did and I misunderstood. I think mocsta didn't sign 1 post so far and it was earlier. He also fake signed 2 posts as me when he was drunk LOL | ||
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On June 19 2014 04:57 27ninjabunnies wrote: 4 scumreads voting MIF. Either major bus or ml incoming boys!! Feels like bus given when they jumped on. Was gonna make a similar post putting names of people I don't like in Red who are voting MIF | ||
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Robik hahha.. was testing u read what I write hahha!! Vote chair for me pls ~moc | ||
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What's the hols up ~moc | ||
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And deal with the other 2 later please ~moc | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:02 marvellosity wrote: 2/3 mafia would be nice. Expecting 1/3 somehow :/ 0/3 I am pretending is not an option If 0/3 you're back on the chopping blocks bitch! | ||
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And post some God damb flips ~moc | ||
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Costa is a scum infiltrators from Brazil. His mission to sabbotage Spain. ~moc | ||
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Busquets lol ~moc | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:12 justanothertownie wrote: What is this shit. Why are we arguing over bad behaviour while this is a thing. omg... Whoever said this earlier is spot on. And Foolishness championed that thread. Unacceptable. | ||
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Snb Ketomai Vayne 1 of slam/ritoky For the win. g Yes lurkers. And all laughing and dancing about how today went down.. ~moc ~moc | ||
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It's a mind meld !! ~moc | ||
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12-5 12-4 10-4 10-3 8-3 8-2 or 8-3 7-3 5-3 8-2 isn't terrible but that means we have to lynch correctly every day. If we fuck up once we pretty much go into instant mylo. If it's 15-4, the situation isn't as dire | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:25 marvellosity wrote: they'd be down to 1kp at 3 mafia. we need to get 2 lynches in a row right. Oh ok. We use 2kp til 2 in video hence my calcs. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:16 sinani206 wrote: 1. ObiWanShinobi 3. ritoky 4. Rainbows 5. justanothertownie 7. ExO_ 9. 27ninjabunnies 10. sinani206 15. Alakaslam 18. Chairman Ray 19. roundabound (Mocsta/IAmRobik Hydra) 21. strongandbig 23. marvellosity 24. Holyflare 25. TicaTica 26. ketomai 27. batsnacks 28. VayneAuthority 29. Chromatically 30. yamato77 what is that 19 people? 4/5 scum, 14/15 town? i only have ketomai right now i need to go read more people Not sure what my reads were before, but I bolded the people I think are most town now. Underlined the most scumy. The rest I have some sort of small lean one way or other (i.e. slightly more town on yamato, slightly more scum on chrom) | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:30 justanothertownie wrote: Mafia basically knew from the beginning of the day that we would lynch either MIF or sandro. They didn't need to do anything. This is a good point. It's kinda why I was suggesting a counterwagon onto someone else. At least then they would be forced to take a stance one way or other. But yes, I agree with your point that mafia prolly took a backseat on this lynch...in fact, one of my main wolf-leans did just that. Pause for a quick commercial break while I pull up the thread and find the post: AAAAAANNNND WE'RE BACK! On June 19 2014 04:36 Chairman Ray wrote: Okay, I'm caught up, I think we got a good lynch Doesn't really make a difference, but ##Unvote ##Vote: MattIisfoolish The red is pretty much verbatim what you're describing. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:36 Chairman Ray wrote: Is Round the only one who seems really motivated right now? Motivated to lynch you What are you implying? ~moc | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:43 Chairman Ray wrote: I don't know if I can speak the same for you, but after that flip, I kinda just want the game to end. It must be a pretty good boost for anyone who's mafia though. Also kind of fishy when you're the only one who's trying to figure the game out at the start of the night phase. You don't think that maybe the mafia might try to kill you for it? I welcome being shot the way this is going Please shoot me chair Otherwise I will lead your lynch tomorrow ~moc | ||
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If you're town, why didn't you get a beer with me in SF? That's pretty scummy. vote: slamjamnothankyoumaam | ||
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On June 19 2014 07:01 marvellosity wrote: i've been pondering it too. except i decided it wasn't the right moment :p I didn't mean in the night phase. I meant start of the day. If we have 6 blues, that leaves 13 more players. If we take into consideration the reads we have, we can deduce if someone is fake claiming, and blues would probably have left some breadcrumbs somewhere they can point to, something mafia prolly wouldn't have done, not knowing what they need to counterclaim. I, for one, have left hints all thread | ||
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Who do you have as town? Why? Who do you have as mafia? Why? Thanks. | ||
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On June 19 2014 23:24 justanothertownie wrote: If I knew there was non-town in that list that person wouldn't be in that list. So, it is a townlist? LOL | ||
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On June 20 2014 01:27 VayneAuthority wrote: even if bussing exists it is a clear lapse in logic that shows zero attention for the game Please stop. Your participation this game is on par with gumshoe's. The only difference is that you actually vote. | ||
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On June 20 2014 01:48 VayneAuthority wrote: give me a reason to participate then. its your fault as much as anyone else's. the spam in this game and the sheeping is ludicrious. literally 0 reason to play so fuck off buddy. Cause the point of signing up for games is to fucking play them, not to sit idly and then get called out for doing jack shit and then cry about people spamming cause they're trying to solve the game. You also cry about sheeping, but have yet to make a case on anyone. Feel free to do so, so that you're not just a lazy, useless hypocrite. | ||
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On June 20 2014 01:50 VayneAuthority wrote: what exactly has roundabout done besides call marv mafia anyway? rofl your contributions are worse then gumshoe. mocsta made a case on someone. i brought up points for and against people both of us gave reads on who we think are scum That's already 1000x more than you've done. Although, I must say, the pictures you posted definitely helped me figure out your alignment and definitely showed that you were involved in the game and trying to figure it out. | ||
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On June 20 2014 01:49 Holyflare wrote: england match today so excuse me while i go get hammered beyond belief and cheer like crazy and then later drown sorrows scum | ||
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I mean, if you're not reading the thread, I understand why you can't have an opinion on things, but then why sign up to play the game if you're not going to read the thread? ugh. i'm over it. I'll just let marv, jat, and rainbows deal with the people who refuse to play. Oh, and mocsta, if he wants to take on lurkerville. | ||
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On June 20 2014 02:16 Holyflare wrote: slam is town guys back down Feel free to elaborate on how you got this read. | ||
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On June 20 2014 02:16 batsnacks wrote: I hope mafia pick me so I don't have to suffer through the rest of this game. I concur | ||
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On June 20 2014 02:32 roundabound wrote: RIP Côte d'Ivoire World Cup 2014 J/K I forgot they beat Japan | ||
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On June 20 2014 04:34 justanothertownie wrote: All those people returning only when called out this game... On June 20 2014 04:37 Chairman Ray wrote: flip time soon? | ||
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On June 20 2014 05:19 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: Chairman Ray To infinity and beyond. This x10000000000000000000000 | ||
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On June 20 2014 04:34 justanothertownie wrote: All those people returning only when called out this game... I spent like 45 minutes searching for this from my first game: On February 21 2014 04:59 IAmRobik wrote: Do you have a bot that pings you every time "JJD" is written in the thread? | ||
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On June 20 2014 06:11 marvellosity wrote: no, his comments after the last flip is a big thing that differentiates him from gumshoe. And his votes before the flip. and the vote before that. and the vote on d2. He had a really good d1 though. In fact his push on me was the only legit thing he's done all game. | ||
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On June 20 2014 06:11 VayneAuthority wrote: ritoky exo holyflare no hesitation i would not lynch marv, and thats it. Marv riding pretty from that d1 lynch ^_^ I can get behind ritoky at some point. Not sure about exo...I remember thinking he was town on d1 for something he said. Lean town on HF | ||
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What do you think of marv? Sincerely, -Icannotreadyourmindanymore | ||
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On June 20 2014 07:05 ExO_ wrote: I am playing. I tried being super active and talking, and that didn't do anything. The people in charge are the ones making short posts spamming and voting all over the place. That seems to be effective this game, so I think I'll stick to this. I'll continue to do what I can for town and to win, and I don't see anything else I could post that would help. Or do you want my advice on who I think is mafia and why, because let's face it last time I gave that nothing came of it in the slightest. Yes. This. Who do you have as maf right now? Who do you have as town? Why? Which of these reads have changed as the game progressed? | ||
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On June 20 2014 08:10 27ninjabunnies wrote: The yam kill made absolutely no sense. Do we have noob mafia players? And the JAT kill, eh, still weird over people like HF, Marv, and you imo. I'll take full credit for getting JAT killed. Pretty happy he was VT instead of a role | ||
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On June 20 2014 08:20 27ninjabunnies wrote: How did you get him killed? + Show Spoiler + Did I miss something? >.> + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451310-tl-order-lxvi-mafia?page=192#3821 | ||
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Hes talking in circles. Self-Flagellates too. This game is solved once CR + Ketomai are gone. ~moc | ||
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On June 20 2014 12:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: ##Vote: Tica Sigh .... Chairmanray pl0x ~moc | ||
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GRAB townie torch SWITCH townie torch ILLUMINATE OWS ~moc | ||
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I could definitely lynch HF but thats cos I am down to lynch him in any game ! The q is why him over you? ~JJD | ||
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On June 20 2014 17:55 marvellosity wrote: one notable thing in Tica's favour: he was pushing hard for a Haru (town) lynch on a day when there was a wagon on mif (town) and yamato (town). Only small possibility is if CR is mafia (the guy I wagoned in between like mif and yamato). Even then though I remember Tica pushing Haru pretty hard once I was wagoning yamato at the end of the day. Like he really wanted that lynch. That's pretty good reason for Tica-town. i thought tica was DP? If so, I think this is well within his range. Haru was an easy lynch to campaign on, as Rainbows did a lot of the legwork. If anything, a scum who knows mif & yam are town, prob dont want to be associated with promoting that mislynch. ~Banks chick | ||
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I want to know Tica position on CR. Like... I am really surprised we only have 4 votes on CR, I thought this was clear cut. ~moc | ||
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POW CR POW Ketomai POW SnB POW Ritoky POW Slam GG ~moc | ||
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On June 20 2014 18:38 Holyflare wrote: slam is town bro he wont die wrote him last cos hes my outlier tip damn near certain on CR, Ketomai, SnB If we can't get town to go beyond 4 votes on CR; then im fine with the other 2. Consolidation baby ! ~moc | ||
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In excel, i think we call this a "circular reference". How about, delete the above 3 or 4 posts and state: "I am fucking tired; i do not have a set opinion, and am posting for the sake of posting because I can not sleep" ~moc | ||
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If u pricks don't want to play At least vote cr ffs Don't make my ass twitch ~moc | ||
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I know you're nice and cozy in HF's protective arms, but he's not gonna be here forever, and I need your reads on the game. Thank you in advance. Sincerely, The Man, the Myth, the Legend you chose not to meet in Cali | ||
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That may be the laziest, most convoluted scumhunting I've EVER seen. That's not even a case against anyone. That's just a terrible assumption based off of people's laziness? I don't understand how anyone can actually believe that people who are trying to solve the game are scum. Like, you're sincere in your belief that if I were to sit here and not post and not give reads, I would be town? Are you out of your fucking mind? The reason that people who haven't posted a lot are scum is because they're not giving reads. it's because they're not doing anything to try to solve the game. Yourself included! Get outta here with your shitty ass illogical bullshit. | ||
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I want people who haven't been participating and people who have laid low to give their reads and participate, especially town, otherwise we're gonna end up fucking up and that's absolutely unacceptable. | ||
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On June 21 2014 01:53 Rainbows wrote: Round, you and I, swapping minds, I feel you, inside me. Do you understand? I want you to feel what i feel. Luckily, we have the same scumreads. yes | ||
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On June 21 2014 01:53 Rainbows wrote: We are both firebats. no | ||
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On June 21 2014 02:29 strongandbig wrote: No I'm saying that you (or holy flare or both) are scum because you have no scum reads among anyone who's been posting more than sinani. You're just rolling with a dressed up form of "low post = scum" when it's been clearly proven wrong already this game. I wanna lynch the shit out of SnB for his recent posts. He's blatantly trying to push us away from lynching his scum partners at this point. He is calling towny people scum for playing towny and trying to clear scum based off of an illogical argument. ##vote SnB | ||
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On June 21 2014 02:59 marvellosity wrote: generally speaking several people have pushed the fallacious argument "several lurkers have flipped town, so pushing lurkers is shown to be bad". Not a good argument. Realistically a much higher proportion of lurkers are going to be mafia now that we cleared out a bunch of town lurkers :/ Other people have thrown it out there and then backed up off of it. I don't recall SnB mentioning it before, and now he is building "a case" against people because of it. In fact, this is the only contribution he's had ALL GAME. Not only that, but he is probably just trying to piggy back the concept from the people who have posted about it previously, tryna re-inseminate the idea into peoples' minds.. | ||
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On June 21 2014 03:12 marvellosity wrote: this only makes sense if you flip the people you say he's defending and they flip mafia. you don't lynch someone for defending unflipped, potential mafia -.- We can lynch them too! I've been championing CR all day. ##unvote SnB ##vote CR Like, I really don't care. We have to kill of people we think are scum. I think both of them are scum. I'm still kinda considering the fact that SnB might be a maf PR based off of how easily the rally onto our first lynch went, which might lean me towards lynching him over the others, but whatever. Scum is scum is scum. | ||
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On June 21 2014 03:20 Amiko wrote: Vote Count - Day 4: Ketomai (1): rainbows TicaTica (1): 27ninjabunnies StrongandBig (0): ritoky (1): VayneAuthority These need to be consolidated at some point, either onto CR or one of the other 4. | ||
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RITOKY AND CHROM. CONGRATULATIONS! YOU WIN A BIG FAT SPOT ON THE KILL THEM NOW LIST | ||
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I thought bunnies was townier than chrom, but I hate that my read is probably wrong if ritoky is cop womp womp | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote: could you tell me why it is such a big deal that someone basically just tjsalt ragequit? i don't think that wanting the 2 people who have opposite alignments to give reads before i give out the alignments is the worst play ever. so please explain it to me. CAUSE IF YOU WANTED THEM TO FUCKING GIVE THEIR READS AND BE SNEAKY ABOUT IT, YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IT BEFORE YOU OUTED THAT YOU HAVE OPPOSING CHECKS ON TWO PEOPLE AS ROLE COP. INSTEAD YOU CLAIMED AND THEN THEY KNOW THEY'RE FUCKED IF YOU'RE THE COP. LIKE STOP BEING FUCKING DUMB AND JUST GIVE US THE FUCKING CHECKS. YOU'RE WASTING TIME AT THIS POINT AND I'M REALLY FUCKING ANNOYED | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:11 ritoky wrote: w/e i honestly think you guys are being dicks about it chrom is town, vote away Was this so fucking hard? You were gonna get absolutely 0 information. ##vote nb27 That kinda pisses me off too. I really though bunnies was town. fuck fuck fuck. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:13 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: ninjabunnies roundabound: don't you remember what I said in our fun about bunnies? ^^ w/e dude. I really thought she was town and came out very towny and didn't think she would nk banks right after she joined the game for ogi reasons. | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:07 ExO_ wrote: Chrome being Godfather is the only way ritoky would be correct and have everything still make sense. If Chrome is GF, he accepts the green check and lives off of it for as long as possible. Why the fuck would he want to claim miller? That's like the dumbest play of all time. | ||
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I have a green check on marv, a green check on rainbows and a redcheck on chrome+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + andifiamthosearentmychecks | ||
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On June 21 2014 12:36 ritoky wrote: question for anyone and everyone who wants to answer: when i flip VT, who do you think looked the worst amidst all of this? why? if you don't believe i am VT, then replace "when i flip" with "in the world that i flip" SnB...but he's prolly maf either way | ||
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On June 21 2014 10:10 TicaTica wrote: First off: This makes no sense. Two days earlier he was all in on Chrome, Ket, Sinani and CR. Does he not care about any of those reads? He doesn't bother pushing them whatsoever. Plus he had a mystically awful reason for a townread on me previously for me saying King wasn't a bad lynch but I wasn't going to vote for it but Marv was going to get his lynch regardless. That earlier stuff aside... This is not a post of a player who's planning to red check Ninja bunnies and green check Chrome. You don't plan to ask your green check what they think of your redcheck. You ask the other way around and you ask your redcheck about other people. On top of that you don't claim a check prior to inquiring on people. Like if this is a planned "reaction check " from a townie, talking about that check fake or not completely invalidates any point in asking the people. Next, he wants to pit his "red check" against his "green check" and posts this. If he's town and fake claiming, what does he think he plans to gain from this? Any townie goes "well I'm town so other guy is scum, cool?" If he hits GF, they still react that way because they 'know" it's fake (other person isn't mafia) or they bus their partner like any sane being and proceed on happy to be green checked. I can't think of any world where this plan actually works. The mafia in a town/mafia split starts pointing at the townie like any sane being and hopes that the cop is fake or that they have more sway/cred than him. Plus this plan is ridiculously convoluted and outlandish. I've seen enough crazy shit in my day, but this is too far out in left field. It's more likely that this is a scum we who is trying to think of a wacky town gambit more than actual town gambit. On top of this, look how ritoky responds to the pressure in thread. People want to know who the red check was. Marv's getting pissed about lynching town after a redcheck has happened and the cop didn't claim. This response is clear. This is no longer a reaction test of Chrome or NB. He hasn't put pressure on either of them with this a AND he hasn't figured out who he thinks is the easier target to fake claim on. The point of what he's doing isn't get a reaction; or else he'd make sure chrome/NB is around. It becomes obvious that he has to pick a choice to redcheck or he gets lynched. He decided to go with NB. In general scum under pressure finger their partner more than they do town, because it's far far easier to sound good/right/towny/believable that way. I'm pretty sure that's the case here too. Ritoky has previously wholly ignored NB. NB has been pushing against ritoky but finding other people to land on. It's a really weird reaction. I agree with this post a lot, but tica made 2 slips here. 1) Plus this plan is ridiculously convoluted and outlandish. I've seen enough crazy shit in my day, but this is too far out in left field. It's more likely that this is a scum we who is trying to think of a wacky town gambit more than actual town gambit. This part of the post was 100% edited. Look at the bold. He was going to say one thing and then ended up typing something else. Editing posts is scummy. fuck. i read this post and noticed something earlier but i'm a tad inebriated so i forget what it is. I'll try to read it again after posting this...maybe it was in another post. fuck. i'll be back with another point against tica. | ||
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On June 21 2014 14:08 batsnacks wrote: My reads don't suck they're just different; "different" is what we need. leading us away from mafia is not what we need | ||
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On June 21 2014 14:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i really hope this post is a joke post. heart attack | ||
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Hence why I signed up for a hydra. This is my last words to the thread this cycle. I am the parity cop. N1 I checked Mocsta N2 I checked Robik N3 I forgot to check D3 the host returned: SAME ~moc | ||
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On June 22 2014 04:35 VayneAuthority wrote: if i have to hear anything about how ritoky played this great as mafia at post game im going to slit some one's throat metaphorically I'll do it literally. WTF happened while I was gone? | ||
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Who led the charge onto Keto over Ritoky? Who decided that bunnies was a good lynch after ritoky retardacted......i think i just misspelled retracted. And why did we forget about CR all of a sudden? | ||
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On June 22 2014 04:57 marvellosity wrote: voting for someone i think has a good shot of being mafia instead of the dude i think is town? making a huge blunder in a fake claim and then retracting when you're busted does not make you town. it makes you fucking shit mafia. It also makes me think that there are 5 mafia alive, because if they get a mislynch on bunnies there it would leave us in a mylo or very very near mylo scenario. | ||
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On June 22 2014 09:47 Holyflare wrote: Why would you claim and let tracker potentially die?? huh? | ||
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Town roles we know: plammar: mason koshi: vigi Rainbows: mason Marv: role cop exo: medic Chrom: tracker That leaves 2 more. Will catch up with the thread now to see what else happened. I don't know how explicit what me and rainbows were doing in the thread was, but it's probably more likely that an experienced mafia picked up on the role swap...unless everyone says that it was blatantly obvious. | ||
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On June 23 2014 05:09 sinani206 wrote: I'm the tracker. Chrom visited rainbows. ##Vote: chromatically If you are tracker, you should have waited for rainbows to claim who he visited in case he was fake. this makes 7 blues | ||
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On June 23 2014 23:24 strongandbig wrote: Why is rainbows' claim that you are mason not on this list Cause I'm not mason. We discussed role swapping as a possibility in our QT and on multiple occasions we discussed it in the thread. He said something along the lines of swapping minds or stepping in his shoes and "i think it's time" and then he claimed that I'm mason. | ||
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On June 23 2014 23:19 strongandbig wrote: Wait nvm exo never actually claimed medic like round said be did exo is dead medic? | ||
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On June 23 2014 23:29 strongandbig wrote: Oh. So when he said you are "100% town" he meant based on his reads not on roles? he was softing that he could confirm me based off of the fact that we were setting up a role swap in which i claim mason and he claims VT. The only problem is that he blew his load too early and I think made it too obvious what we were doing instead of waiting for today when we were set to mass-claim. Updating: 1-plammar: mason 2-koshi: vigi 3-Rainbows: mason 4-Marv: role cop 5-exo: medic 6-Chrom: tracker 7-sinani: tracker 8-slam: vet 9-unknown: jk so 6,7, or 8 is a lie. Sinani is most likely tracker based off of the fact that chrom confirmed the visit to rainbows. so one of chrom or slam is lying....or marv was lying about being jk'd in the hopes of getting extra checks (highly unlikely). Not sure if we should lynch out of the two of them or lynch into the VTs. | ||
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On June 23 2014 23:35 strongandbig wrote: Unless one of them is actually the jailkeeper and is fakeclaiming a different blue role to fuck with us, which would be retarded but believable given previous fakeclaims in this game... I didn't consider this, but yeah. that's also fathomable. | ||
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ritoky - VT Erandorr replaced by 27ninjabunnies - VT Chairman Ray - VT roundabound (Mocsta/IAmRobik Hydra) - VT strongandbig - VT Holyflare - VT batsnacks - VT VayneAuthority - VT Chromatically - TRACKER sinani206 - TRACKER Alakaslam - VET 1 of the VTs will be claiming JK (i'm assuming at some point). There are 9VTs and 4 mafia within them and 1 blue. There are 3 blue claims with 1 mafia within them. I think that it is unlikely that sinani is fake, leaving slam or chrom. I don't see motivation for EITHER OF THEM to fake claim. So unless there is no JK (unlikely) or one of them is actually JK (maybe?), we are 50-50 to hit mafia here If we lynch out of VTs (i'm pretty sure that most people have me as town by this point either way), we also have a 50-50 chance to lynch scum. Not sure what our best avenue is, but I'm leaning towards lynching out of VT because mislynching a blue would be way more catastrophic. from town to scum (out of VTs): roundabound Holyflare - VT ObiWanShinobi - VT Erandorr replaced by 27ninjabunnies - VT batsnacks - VT strongandbig - VT VayneAuthority - VT Chairman Ray - VT ritoky - VT I will say that if we have a JK and the JK is not Slam (that's the only one out of the claimed blues that would make a smidgen of sense), then I am pretty sure who it is and will be highly skeptical of anyone but that persons claim. This list might be completely fucked though cause of the night kills...just how i'm reading the game at this point. | ||
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On June 23 2014 23:45 strongandbig wrote: Ok suppose chrom is town tracker and sinani is scum - the only way sinani guesses correctly who chrom visited is by random chance. He knows chrom was tracker so he would visit someone, but there was a very small chance he guesses correctly given that there's more than ten players still left. I'm comfortable saying sinani is actually tracker. Then for chrom to have visited rainbows, he either would have to be actual tracker, or sergeant using his KP or roleblock. The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check. This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did. So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's. ##vote: chromatically Lol... If you believe Sinani, then chrome is worth a vote, & so is Bunnies. Ironically, if you believe Sinani -- which you do.... then Bunnies is not worth a vote. ~moc | ||
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On June 24 2014 02:34 27ninjabunnies wrote: roundabound- VT/ mason switch claim (Very odd that rainbows dies the night that their "switch" happened) Holyflare - VT ObiWanShinobi - VT Erandorr replaced by 27ninjabunnies - VT SLAM- Vet? batsnacks - VT strongandbig - VT VayneAuthority - VT Sinani-Tracker Chairman Ray - VT ritoky - VT Chrom- tracker So until we get a JK claim, I'm refusing to believe we have a JK. Marv could have easily faked getting jailed to get more checks. Why he didn't out his checks if there is no jk, well thats another question. So above I bolded green who we should not lynch today. The rest are up for grabs. Even though I am super SUPER paranoid that round is mafia this game, for the fact alone that rainbows died the same night he claimed that round was mason, was super weird, I'm willing to leave him alone for another day. Holyflare has been trying to figure this out and not solely complaining on how this game has gone to shit. I am town, and I'm not lynching the last 3 blue claims unless we get counterclaims. So that leaves 6 people left to lynch out of, and 5 are mafia from my perspective. Omg, guess who are in those 6?! PEOPLE IVE BEEN ON ALL GAME! Seriously, I should be listened to more. I got masoned n2. I would have killed him then instead of the 10+ VTs that were killed instead. -.- Plus, I told him to mason marv the next day and checked with the mod multiple times to make sure that the mason would go through in case marv was jk'd or rb'd (i expressed this in thread as well). | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: go vote bunnies and stop voting in the blue claims. Why you no wanna kill confirmed maf ritoky? | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:00 strongandbig wrote: why? tracking someone doesn't clear them, kp can't be tracked Heres the funny thing though SnB. Whether Chrome *IS* or *IS NOT* scum leads to Bunnies being scum in your world. Why hinge the vote on Chrom, and not default to Bunnies?? Given this is potentially MYLO, the play mind-boggles me. It does not matter whether Chrom is, or is not a blue. What does matter is *hitting* scum. A 50/50 on Chrom is not the smart play for town according to your logic. ~moc | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: when was he confirmed? i didnt see anything that confirmed him. Step 1: claim cop Step 2: get fucked Step 3: claim vt Step 4: AtM (ass-to-mouth...i'm gonna use this to refer to AtE from now on) Step 5: AFK AKA Scum claim | ||
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I refuse to take CR's word for anything cause he's a scum read of mine ignoring that, the reason those things are alignment indicative is that VT has no reason to make the play the way he did, whereas there are reasons to make the play as mafia. Ritokys maf team would be something like: CR, SnB, Batsnacks? VA? Slam? | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: even bunnies admitted that ritoky claims cop as a vt. so either youre not paying attention or both bunnies and ritoky are lying about their back and forth. the second scenario isnt even plausible. and you still only have four people in your list. if youre going to call those people mafia, give reasoning for why you think that. everybody is sitting around posting shitlists that accomplish nothing and dont convince anyone of anything. It's tough for me to convince anyone that someone is mafia. It's hard to convince people of someone being town. I have reasons to believe that the people atop my town list are town. That's why I'm cool with lynching other people. You asked me for a specific scenario. I don't really make mafia teams. I have people who I think are town and I'm willing to lynch the rest. That's just how I play. This game it's been very difficult to put people into my town list, and the people who I have had in my town list are dying. | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:59 ritoky wrote: oh and for those who claim that me making kush green is a slip. i am sorry, but i am not as good as you, and i live in simple worlds. i don't really have the skill, nor did i even know it was possible, nor would i expect others to have to skill to anticipate their mafia partner being vigi shot and janitor them. just seems like a ridiculously convoluted play that someone would make up to try to confuse other players (the goal of mafia). huh? | ||
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*I was his coach in his first newbie game. He's not the dumbest town to play on TL. | ||
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On June 24 2014 05:07 ritoky wrote: what did i make up? from my understanding now you have to submit who you're janitoring in the night phase. so in order to janitor a mafia teammate, you would have to anticipate them dying in the night, and pre-emptively janitor them. it's not like the mod sends you a list of people dying after they have been killed and you get to pick one. at least in the process the mod described. 1) Koshi said who he was shooting 2) You don't have to be the one submitting things to the mods 3) I don't see why this makes kush mafia or town | ||
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On June 24 2014 05:21 sinani206 wrote: yeah that makes them the same for sure i agree 100% I too agree that they are both town. A+ analysis | ||
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only played with cava once but I expected a bit more from him.... sigh. I think Ritoky is the right lynch. Theres a lot of questionable characters trying to drive an alternative lynch -- typically a sure sign that this is a lynch mafia do not want to proceed with. ~moc | ||
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On June 24 2014 13:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: actually, wait a fucking second. why is it that holyflare drives the kush wagon, kush winds up janitor'd, and absolutely nothing is wrong with that. like theres a big plot hole in your theory that youve ignored almost all game, in yet ritoky is correct because other people are voting other people? wat why are you rehashing this as an argument to drive the thread from ritoky? Koshi claimed to kill Kush. Regardless of alignment, the janitor usage was a strong play from mafia. Trying to read anything further into this a futile effort to grasp at straws. Again, your efforts represent the EXACT sequence of thought I acknowledged above. Which is again, why Ritoky is the lynch for today ~moc | ||
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On June 24 2014 14:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ill probably argue about the ritoky lynch at some point tomorrow, but i doubt itll do much good. hes dead, with or without my input. Is this a slip yo? Its potentially MYLO, what you talking about "at some point tomorrow" ~moc | ||
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On June 24 2014 14:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: you know exactly what im thinking because youve been in those games with me and you know what im looking for when i see you play. you said my meta was bad in cell 2, and you were town. you were actively pushing people to read you via meta in golden sun and you were mafia. the only reason you would actively need to hide behind a meta read you know doesnt hold water anymore is complete nonsense. Ironic coming from the person hiding behind a smurf in order to not get meta read Anyway. My work here is done. If we lynch anyone but ##vote ritoky or CR (who was wrong but kinda towny in his last post) this day will have been a huge failure. I'll be back at some points during the day, but have a lot of work. I'll prolly check in more than I intend to to make sure there's no straying from the plan | ||
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On June 25 2014 01:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: this would make sense if i had a meta that people could use to read me. ive never rolled scum so nobody knows the difference regardless. i just thought itd be fun to smurf. -.-; yeah well. You have a town meta. It's to post recklessly and be very aloof. This is not what I saw from you at the beginning if the game. I saw someone with a logical progression of thought. Recently, you reverted back to posting like an idiot and pushing for random people. It makes me think that someone was guiding you earlier in the game and now you lost that crutch. I don't know what to make of it. I guess that's a discussion for another day/post game. | ||
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On June 25 2014 03:11 ritoky wrote: voting on holyflare, because imo he has done nothing for town and is probably the most sure-fired mafia lynch. wanted to push MLs on lurkers, complained all game long and did nothing about it, and earlier in this phase he made a post asking others to present cases on players to him; he didn't even bother trying to find scum. this guy is 1000% mafia. i like CR's post, i disagree on a little bit of it, but it has the right direction. anywayz, if you're town and you're voting on me. you're a donkey and about to lose. WAIT WHAT? You've been calling bunnies scum and her reaction scummy and she's you're #1 mafia of all time and she has 2 votes, which is closer than anyone else and you're gonna try to start a wagon on HF? Man, maybe HF is scum. | ||
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On June 25 2014 05:05 ritoky wrote: ![]() gg This is a fucking accurate depiction of you. THIS IS YOUR FUCKING FAULT. Why hasn't host ended game yet? this is fucking dumb. | ||
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you're an idiot. please never do that ever again. sincerely, everyone but mafia there has to be mafia on that ritoky vote. brb | ||
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CR once again has a vote that's not on a wagon that matters. Slam is claimed bluie 2 blues + me + bunnies on ritoky, so HF/VA/ posssssibly chrom scum out of those voters. if hf town, then that would leave chrom/VA if hf town, snb/cavalinho shady if hf scum, batsnacks, snb, cava all top town, unless maybe cava maf thinking his voice can't push over the lynch away from ritoky. voting patterns were really weird | ||
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On June 25 2014 10:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: If there is an equal amount of mafia and town members, the game continues. The side which reaches X votes first wins the lynch, as per the standard voting rules. I won't offer any ideas in the name of neutrality, but essentially it will be a lightning voting contest and victory for both sides is possible. It'll be a nice turbo round to make this game go out with a bang and not a whimper. If such a thing happens and there is a tie, we will need you to lock in your votes. That is, all 8-10 of you must PM all three of us with your final vote for the day, and any changes after that will not be considered. This is in case the action is resolved in the first few hours so we don't have to wait out the full 48. Once ALL 8-10 votes are in, the day will be resolved. Again, this is only in case of a 4-4 or 5-5 tie. Could you please tell us in advance who the mafia are so that we can get our vote in before they do? Thanks! Forever yours, -Robik | ||
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On June 25 2014 12:10 VayneAuthority wrote: alright change of plans, jailkeeper claims so we can confirm chromatically is mafia right now and all agree to vote him asap. i was thinking about this. didn't know if it was better for jk to do it at night or do it first thing in the morning | ||
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He epitomises the shitness of this game. Just kill me already please. I am the JK, I kept stacking marv and stopped cos he asked me too. Kill me. ~moc | ||
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On June 25 2014 23:06 strongandbig wrote: I dunno, I don't see the scum motive which is why I want to kill chromatically, but people keep telling me that the scum motivation would be to try and set up this exact situation. I dunno, I guess that's possible but I still think chromatically is more likely scum than you are. I just think it's dangerous to treat you as confirmed. And @va - the way it works is, I think chromatically is scum so I want to vote him. You saying you also want to vote him doesn't make you town. You could be lying about voting him, and be about to vote someone else with the rest of your team; or I could be wrong and chromatically could be town. Both of those are still possible. Conlcusion Waffle !moc | ||
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More waffle. ~moc | ||
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Claimed Blues sinani206 - tracker Chromatically - tracker Alakaslam - vet Claimed VT Chairman Ray 27ninjabunnies strongandbig Holyflare VayneAuthority 1/3 of the blues are mafia 3/5 of the vt are mafia. | ||
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Man, I really don't wanna live in the world that bunnies is mafia. We have to lynch perfectly from here on out | ||
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On June 26 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote: Sinani -- who did you follow last night? I really really hope you followed Chrom. Scrolled up and saw. Not sure why you didn't check chrom ![]() | ||
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