TL 'Order' LXVI Mafia

On June 11 2014 12:16 roundabound wrote:
I love finding mafia day 1.

People of this town.
Note how ketomai manages to self-flagellate

Translation: Hey man, leave me alone. I'm just posting for the sake of posting but want to go back hiding in the shadows.

~moc

On June 11 2014 12:17 TicaTica wrote:
Is Rainbows around still? If he be, then peeky at batsnacks. His read post looks being rather off. Four Fifth of his null read are "easy pickings" read. His four wolfy reads are dastardly off base being my opinion (exception perhaps Chairman Ray). Only one of wolfy reads is even developed which being tehpoofter and the mindset is quite hmmmm unique. His reads look very fishing to me. What is your take?

On June 11 2014 12:30 TicaTica wrote:

How he thinks make people scummy very odd. His read are nonsense; summarize play and calling it scummy. Feeling very odd. Mayhaps he is just less good of player and am not familiar with me.

On June 11 2014 12:34 batsnacks wrote:


So Rainbows...



Did you ever get your answer?

On June 11 2014 12:40 batsnacks wrote:


If CR is town I assume his goal is to lynch mafia?

I'm not trying to argue or disagree or whatever, but help me understand, why were his questions irrelevant?

On June 12 2014 09:23 Erandorr wrote:
I forgot about this game. Hello friends

On June 12 2014 09:41 Chromatically wrote:
I think ketomai totally depends on what he posts next. The thing that happened in thread could have easily been a townie startled by people jumping on him before he starts playing. I agree that it's weird that he feels like he has to vote between round and Exo, but it's not really scummy..? He could have easily left his vote on himself and that would draw less attention.

What he posts next is the important part.

On June 11 2014 21:11 HaruRH wrote:


Uh.... you seemed to miss the point. Ver used BOTH points as a combination of factors. Even if VA is about to turn into a blue post craping whore, the truth is he haven't. You either jumped the gun too early, or you are trying to shoot him before he turned, which leads into 2 outcomes : 1) He WILL turn 2)You are just trying to shoot for the heck of it.



Uh... stop?



Stop.



I really mean it, stop.



I'll quote Ver's analysis RE: VA



MASSIVE INCONGRUENCY.



...



I'M WATCHING YOU YAMATO.

On June 11 2014 18:42 HaruRH wrote:


I read through 30+ pages of 'stuff' and the huge post by koshi and the reads off koshi's posts were striking to me.

CR seems like trying to earn some towncred by pointing out koshi first, so that in the future he can use this as a reference to how towny he is.

Town totem: Chrom, batsnacks.

Everyone else is hard to read. They make towny posts, then destroy their own image by making themselves look scummy.

On June 12 2014 05:29 HaruRH wrote:


I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it.

All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh.

My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch.

##Vote:Chairman Ray

On June 12 2014 18:00 HaruRH wrote:


I thought I said the vote on CR from me was a placeholder? SnB have some weird posts, will link them here in one sec, Filter dived him today.

On June 12 2014 18:05 HaruRH wrote:
After diving SnB, I realised the pool is so shallow theres no need to bring a snorkel. So here's why SnB makes me wanna lynch the scum out of him:





soo... He thinks koshi makes good arguments, then want to lynch koshi.



Then he shitposts.

On June 14 2014 09:12 roundabound wrote:
Rainbow
I read the haru case.

I like the second half more than the first.
Second is quite damming to me actually.

Regarding first half, it's slightly town to me.
As town, if he thinks koshi is scum. He's paying attention to the guys wielding koshi pitchforks and comments cr may be disingenuine. That's an astute observation for mafia to throw out in my experience. Typically mafia would be happy to have a read on player x. And are too lazy to note publiclly further interactions.

If scum, and koshi is town. This observation holds no weight if koshi flips.

Overall, I think the second half is more damming than my points for in the first half.

I'm happy with dither ketonai or haru

~moc

On June 14 2014 09:31 roundabound wrote:
Rainbows.

U just reiterated what I wrote abd implied

Yes, scum want to have multiple leads. E.g. koshi and cr
BUT
Cr I don't believe was a scum read for anyone at that point in time.
Seems a far fetch, to throw out randomly is all I'm saying.
If cr was a scum read already, which I can't easily check right now, then you are pprobably right and it was an opportune swing.

Feel like helping to confirm if haru was the first on cr?

~moc

On June 12 2014 05:29 HaruRH wrote:


I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it.

All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh.

My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch.

##Vote:Chairman Ray

On June 12 2014 04:58 gumshoe wrote:
Hey, just caught up in a blitz. Here are my notes / :
+ Show Spoiler +

Dont like this post by Chairman


What I get from it is that he basically didnt like Bats whole post, but doesn't immediately jump on him for it? The way he so cleanly spread out his greivances, it feels like hes trying to offer everyone something to pounce on, but doesnt peronally leap on any of it himself.

When the opposite happens, and people jump on him for the shoddy post, he comes out swinging, but drops the read after just a couple hours when no one really agrees with him / : Notably Bat was an enemy of Rounds, as was Chair man. Did he bilieve they were scum together? Cause he never took back his read on round. Honestly it seems as if the heat on Round died down a bit and he came after Bat because thats the conflict he was most familiar with ( when your maf you tend to focus more on the events that directly concern you and as a result your accusations lean that way because those are the matters your best versed in.)

Yeah not a fan of the Chair....Man

On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:

Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia.

On June 11 2014 12:14 Rainbows wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

I don't understand what this post is trying to achieve by CR. He claims to "not fully understand" this post, but asks questions about people not even referenced by bat, (IE Why not FoS Palmar? Why not include other people?) even asks why the null read at this stage in the game. What is the goal? I'm having a difficult time understanding Chair's motivations so far.

On June 11 2014 12:49 batsnacks wrote:


"Feels like homework" I like that. I like what you just said. Good.

Did you hear that MZ? It feels to me like Chairman Ray is doing homework i.e. responding carefully and intelligently to what he has to. He is the only person in this game I have this feeling about.

On June 14 2014 22:23 HaruRH wrote:


so you're not sure if I'm mafia now?

Hey rainbows, or should I say scum|rainbows, one suggestion is to ask your buddies on scum QT/Skype/whatever to proofread your replies. They reek of TMI and scumminess. Until your scumbuddies have proofread it properly, then you post it here.

On June 14 2014 22:28 HaruRH wrote:


you certainly don't sound like someone who is trying to deduce if you're lynching the wrong guy. Wait, you're doubting yourself now?

How do your posts reek of TMI? read the bolded parts again out loud.

Well, I know I'm lynching you.

Of course you don't know if I'm mafia, since you already know everyone is town except your scum buddies.

On June 14 2014 22:32 HaruRH wrote:


And sorry if I sound rude now, I get pretty mad when people present cases that are completely disproved and still push with the cases.

On June 15 2014 04:18 HaruRH wrote:
LCS or World Cup... the decision is very real....

So I just want to wait to see if rainbows is willing to let go, if he is ,I will do so too.

On June 15 2014 07:03 Tehpoofter wrote:


I'd like to see Haru respond to this. Why is your read on Rainbows contingent on his read on you?

@ Rainbows You have any other wolf reads besides Haru? I agree that is a really wolfy thing for Haru to say like he only reads you wolf for pressuring him.

On June 15 2014 07:11 Rainbows wrote:


I will oblige you in diction.

I read Exo slightly as wolf. Part of me can't put a finger on it--but KotC townread him for no reason at the beginning of D1. He had a case on Chrom who I believe is town village. His day 1 play was lackluster from what I remember. SnB is slightly more townie villagery after the lynch, but I'm still suspicious of his inactivity and ability to do nothing today (after all--if he is town village, he possesses the greatest amount of information right now, besides mafia wolves or an alignment cop i suppose). Sandro and Matt I'm lumping together in a "would lynch because not doing much" label. I actually don't want to touch Kush right now cus cats wanted to lynch him I believe (noob scum wolves probably dont bus, eh?). CR hasn't done anything besides say 'hey man, i like what you said about haru' today, and his play d1 i am still weary of. Keto slightly wolf as well but I won't give him a reason so he can complain about me not giving a reason :p

On June 15 2014 09:09 kushm4sta wrote:
1. KotC is not new. He plays on OMGUS a lot.
2. I think Haru is town. saying "ill drop it if you do" is not something scum is likely to do, because they want it to seem like there is real conviction behind their reads.

On June 14 2014 03:43 ketomai wrote:


Don't have time to look into it but isn't this strange?

Blues don't typically want to stand out. Generally they want to be indistinguishable to green townies.

Even if you're town and you think he's a vigi, why would you attempt to identify him for the mafia? If you really thought he was a vigi, it'd actually be best to leave him be because he's useful to the mafia at the moment. The comment was totally unnecessary.

If you're mafia, this could easily be a way to defend a fellow mafia by looking like you're doing work for the town and contributing when all you're doing is helping confuse people further.

Let MZ defend himself.

On June 12 2014 12:33 ketomai wrote:

Koshi: Leaning slightly towards mafia. Biggest flag is his lack of cooperation with town as noted by others. He doesn't really argue, he just tries to pass off his viewpoints on the grounds that it should be obvious. I'm willing to wait on how he responds now that he's under pressure now and after he's promised to be more cooperative, however. He hasn't really contributed much other than defending himself. Also, I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but that doesn't really make him more or less mafia.

On June 15 2014 23:39 ketomai wrote:


And your accusations read like garbage (and it's not just me). I don't really care what you think because you don't even have a legit case because you're misreading (literally) almost everything. This is the last question I answer from you:

I have not looked into Koshi. I also can't tell because people have said he's had a history of being stupid. His day 1 votes look town. His day 2 vote looks a little strange since he defended kush before and he's also made a play to swing the bandwagon momentum in a huge way for a shitty reason. I pretty much started ignoring him after his first content post.

On June 18 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
Really wish I'd gone through with killing mif yesterday.

On June 18 2014 00:28 marvellosity wrote:
can you give any sort of reason why gumshoe shouldnt' be a wagon?

On June 18 2014 00:43 marvellosity wrote:

in an ideal world, that'd make them both mafia

On June 19 2014 04:38 roundabound wrote:

You're all caught up, yes?

On June 19 2014 05:08 marvellosity wrote:
lol wtf. I never knew ctrl-r was a thing. haha.

On June 19 2014 05:58 ritoky wrote:


you shooting him?

On June 19 2014 05:55 strongandbig wrote:

Would you have preferred nothing? That's your other optikn

On June 19 2014 06:01 roundabound wrote:
Rainbows,

if you're not vigi like you claimed to me in our hidden code in the thread, I'm going to lead a lynch against you. You better shoot soon.

On June 20 2014 04:31 ketomai wrote:
I'm here, just been hella busy. I've contributed more than a lot of the people who are playing. I'll be able to play a bit more starting tomorrow and through the weekend.

Apologies.

On June 16 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
Updating where my reads are atm on everyone.

Village: Tehpoofter
Marv - obv, lock clear if he is a wolf we probably already lost
Koshi - stepped it up considerably day 2 claiming vigi
Roundabound - Casing my biggest wolf in ketomai, tone read on robik seems to be working on the village side
Slam - sticking with my gut on slam probably least sure about this read
ExO - Not use to the meta needs to step up more tonight/tomorrow if he wants to stay here he says he needs vote to analyse there has been plenty of that now
ObiWanSmurf - Seemed to be following along at EoD and actively wanting to figure out who to kill actions seem to favor village.
VA - Tried today a little bit seems to care at least moderately about the game and isn't just randomly throwing his vote on someone and afking for 48 hours
Bunnies - replaced erradorr seems to have read up on the game and know where the thread is at. I find it hard for a wolf to replace into this spot and come out free talking like she is but her wolf game does fall off so look at her a bit tomorrow or the next day
JAT - needs to stop sheeping marv only and find someone he thinks is wolf for his reasons. Lowest on the list because of a bit of weird interaction day 1 following marv's case on KoTC

People who could be villagers:
TicaTica - pushed hard on Haru at EoD if yamato is wolf insta lynch if yamato village he is okay until his EoD day 2 he was in the village not too worried but not green green.
Rainbows - Tunneled a village that I read as wolf so good line of thinking but could be wolf pushing on a village would like to see where his reads are now
Kush - kush is a hard read sounds like we might not need to worry about what alignment he is after tonight but if he lives need some improvement on activity.
Chromatically - was going strong day one but has ended up off the wagon voting wise would love to see him EOD doing things as well as sticking out a bit more to me. I had him as village pretty hard day 1 but starting to think Koshi might be GOAT and pegged you day 1.
ritoky - a bit too lurky his read on me wasn't awful and I don't blame him for the read although I'd like to see him evolve his reads a little bit more I'm kinda worried of a wolf who is just tunneling on some people unlikely to die to seem involved.

People who need to talk about someone besides Kush:
HF - Play the game your exam is over Kush is perhaps 1 of 5 wolves find the other 4 please.

[pink]People who need to not be donkies with their votes and instead of just afking during EoD actually participate and try to convince other people they're right or wrong for some reason and not just stick a vote on someone and do shit all else:
Batsnacks - I think your comment about your vote is legit one of the silliest things I've ever heard someone say about their voting patterns. Its almost too dumb to come from a wolf but I would still lynch you for it. You need to participate in the votes if you're a villager your vote makes a BIG difference EoD and if the village votes on 2-3 wagons only its harder for wolves to manipulate and makes analysis after we see some flips VERY useful. If you just vote one person and no one else you're not helping village EVEN IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE RIGHT ABOUT THAT ONE PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I wish there was more colors so I could make you pink) [/pink]

Lurkers that need to post more presumed wolf until proven town: Would kill these people
gumshoe - Day 1 played Day 2 went into full Afk mode step up or step out.
Sandroba - You are suppose to be good, I don't see it afking as wolf is lame your play in catastrophe impressed me. (I will say this you live in brazil if I remember right so if you're involved in the world cup just tell us if that shit was where I live I wouldn't be playing this game I'd be off watching games and enjoying that once in a lifetime experience)
SnB - was the day 1 counterwagon to a wolf I'm most hesitant about lynching you but you need to step up your game or you'll make me start thinking it was Vanilla wolf vs Power Wolf
MattisFoolish - Foolish I expect more tbh the day 1 read on MZ was weak. Your day 2 EoD was pretty good but there is 2 of you and you're really not even doing what 1/2 a person would do. Matt Is also really bad at being a wolf so makes me a bit leery
Sinani206 - I forgot you were in the game until I read the player list. I'm actually going to filter dive you after this and see where I end up you might be in the wrong spot tbh.
yamato77 - Talked to you earlier you perked up for a bit and showed signs of life but thats not enoguh you need to play the game not just sheep marv nad come up with things I've seen you paly before and I know you're capable of helping village out please do so.

Wolves:
Ketomai - I didn't like the way he responded to Round's case yesterday. He also has stated several times before that there was no case on him despite myself making a big case on him including a photo and everything which he ignored. I also don't see his reads evolving like I would expect a town's to evolve. I will be making a much larger case later but this is just a reads post.
Chariman Ray - Vote on erradorr - IS MEGA SKETCHY you don't seemed concerned with solving the game. I will be doing a bit more on him later after Ketomai as well but want to keep this wall of text less wall more text.

On June 20 2014 04:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
hf i dont get how you can scumread someone for tunneling people.

like i made a big deal of this before and chrom/rainbows are still scumreading and fighting each other practically every time theyre in the thread, so whats the difference between ritoky and them?

On June 20 2014 04:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
hf i dont get how you can scumread someone for tunneling people.

like i made a big deal of this before and chrom/rainbows are still scumreading and fighting each other practically every time theyre in the thread, so whats the difference between ritoky and them?

On June 20 2014 05:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


no.

the fact that other people are agreeing with me means that im not the only one that sees it either.

i seriously dont get what the issue is.

On June 20 2014 04:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
hf i dont get how you can scumread someone for tunneling people.

like i made a big deal of this before and chrom/rainbows are still scumreading and fighting each other practically every time theyre in the thread, so whats the difference between ritoky and them?

On June 20 2014 05:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


still no.

stop bugging me.

On June 20 2014 05:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


rofl. ok.

On June 17 2014 04:48 ritoky wrote:
Well I promised reads, then I fell asleep. So here they are, as much as I can fit in before I have to go:

Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, Marv

Other town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound

The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this:



To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority:



And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this:



Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened.



This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest.

No bueno people
- Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive.
- Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game.
- Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like.

Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny.

This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will.

On June 21 2014 06:39 ExO_ wrote:


If you are miller, why didn't you claim at the start?

On June 17 2014 04:48 ritoky wrote:
Well I promised reads, then I fell asleep. So here they are, as much as I can fit in before I have to go:

Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, Marv

Other town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound

The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this:



To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority:



And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this:



Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened.



This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest.

No bueno people
- Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive.
- Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game.
- Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like.

Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny.

This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will.

On June 21 2014 06:51 ritoky wrote:


yup, i am VT

On June 21 2014 08:11 strongandbig wrote:


maybe i dont like you very much either did you thinkof that?

On June 21 2014 11:42 Chairman Ray wrote:


how would you feel if i told you that you were town?