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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 11 2014 18:21 GMT
#1221
Thou speakers CHUPAZI do you not? The HIJOLE is being a jerk, the CHUPAZI is the back mask of yoda
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
TicaTica
Profile Joined June 2014
Costa Rica194 Posts
June 11 2014 18:24 GMT
#1222
The correct answer is I speakest not CHUPAZI.
TheKingOfTheCats
Profile Joined May 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
June 11 2014 18:33 GMT
#1223
On June 12 2014 03:17 TicaTica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 03:04 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:54 TicaTica wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving.


Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning.

Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads.

Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...?

There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round.

I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read?

He says that using nicknames is a scum tactic to confuse people, something that doesn't make any sense. And then he says that Round is scum because he called someone by their nickname, ignoring the fact that even if the nickname thing is a scum tactic it doesn't automatically make him scum for addressing someone by their nickname. It's wrong on too many levels, at least in my mind.

Those are things that make think less good rather than scum. Why do you find it different?

Because he's using an incorrect conclusion based off of an incorrect premise and nothing else to push for someone's lynch while ignoring the people that are questioning that read and giving equally terrible reasons why he thinks other people are scum
that make so little sense i have trouble believing they're genuine townie conclusions. It's not just his read on Round but everything he's done since that seems scummy to me.
On August 13 2014 04:46 kushm4sta wrote: koc with the worst post of all time
TheKingOfTheCats
Profile Joined May 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
June 11 2014 18:35 GMT
#1224
On June 12 2014 03:06 Chromatically wrote:
Can everyone at least give a read on Koshi and/or explain whether you agree or disagree with the case?

Null for now. I need to read through both his and your filters carefully before i can come to a proper conclusion.
On August 13 2014 04:46 kushm4sta wrote: koc with the worst post of all time
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 11 2014 18:36 GMT
#1225
Idk, I don't think Koshi's suspicions of Chrom are completely unwarranted. I found this interaction very strange:

On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT?


Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red.

In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game.
I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass.


At the time, I don't feel like JAT had done anything that was alignment indicative in the slightest, so I don't really know why Chrom would ping sinani for a read on him. I just think in some regards you were baiting him.

However, sinani's response is pretty horrible imo. It reads forced, noncommittal, and not really substantive.

I think JAT was right to pounce on it and for good reason and I think he seems more town for it.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
June 11 2014 18:41 GMT
#1226
im now a jester. please kill me.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
June 11 2014 18:45 GMT
#1227
On June 12 2014 03:41 kushm4sta wrote:
im now a jester. please kill me.

If there is a vig that person might aswell do so.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 18:49:55
June 11 2014 18:45 GMT
#1228
Marv (and possibly others. I just saw marv doing this): Tone down the vitriol a bit. Calling someone terrible does technically relate to the play and I'm permitting that, but don't let it get out of hand. Or I will start handing out modkills with little to no warning.

On June 12 2014 01:22 marvellosity wrote:
tempting to lynch you for being an asshole, koshi


No personal attacks, though.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 11 2014 18:46 GMT
#1229
On June 12 2014 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Marv (and possibly others. I just saw marv doing this): Tone down the vitriol a bit. Calling someone terrible does technically relate to the play and I'm permitting that, but don't let it get out of hand. Or I will start handing out modkills with little to know warning.

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 01:22 marvellosity wrote:
tempting to lynch you for being an asshole, koshi


No personal attacks, though.


little to no*
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 11 2014 18:50 GMT
#1230
On June 12 2014 03:46 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Marv (and possibly others. I just saw marv doing this): Tone down the vitriol a bit. Calling someone terrible does technically relate to the play and I'm permitting that, but don't let it get out of hand. Or I will start handing out modkills with little to know warning.

On June 12 2014 01:22 marvellosity wrote:
tempting to lynch you for being an asshole, koshi


No personal attacks, though.


little to no*

Blame reflexes and/or my phone.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 18:51 GMT
#1231
On June 12 2014 03:36 ritoky wrote:
Idk, I don't think Koshi's suspicions of Chrom are completely unwarranted. I found this interaction very strange:

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT?


Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red.

In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game.
I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass.


At the time, I don't feel like JAT had done anything that was alignment indicative in the slightest, so I don't really know why Chrom would ping sinani for a read on him. I just think in some regards you were baiting him.

However, sinani's response is pretty horrible imo. It reads forced, noncommittal, and not really substantive.

I think JAT was right to pounce on it and for good reason and I think he seems more town for it.


I explained why I asked this.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 11 2014 18:57 GMT
#1232
On June 12 2014 03:33 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 03:17 TicaTica wrote:
On June 12 2014 03:04 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:54 TicaTica wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:
On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving.


Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning.

Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads.

Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...?

There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round.

I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read?

He says that using nicknames is a scum tactic to confuse people, something that doesn't make any sense. And then he says that Round is scum because he called someone by their nickname, ignoring the fact that even if the nickname thing is a scum tactic it doesn't automatically make him scum for addressing someone by their nickname. It's wrong on too many levels, at least in my mind.

Those are things that make think less good rather than scum. Why do you find it different?

Because he's using an incorrect conclusion based off of an incorrect premise and nothing else to push for someone's lynch while ignoring the people that are questioning that read and giving equally terrible reasons why he thinks other people are scum
that make so little sense i have trouble believing they're genuine townie conclusions. It's not just his read on Round but everything he's done since that seems scummy to me.


Cats, I said using nicknames was a scum tactic 30 minutes after the game started. I wasn't being serious about that. That isn't why I'm voting roundabout.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 11 2014 18:59 GMT
#1233
ebwop : Also it would be cool if you had more specific examples instead of just saying "everything he's done since that seems scummy to me."

If literally everything I do is scummy, it shouldn't be that hard for you to find one more example.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 11 2014 19:14 GMT
#1234
On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote:
Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said.



Stupid

Everyone is stupid
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 11 2014 19:17 GMT
#1235
On June 11 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 13:26 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote:
Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said.


Sorry, I'll try to keep it brief from now on. You can just read the "Overall" statement at the end


Look I like everything you said I think it's great. I read the whole thing. You got an A+ on your homework for sure. I really, really, really hate that you commented on everything I said in the order I said it in both posts though. If you are mafia which I think you probably are, that's the only thing you should have changed to make it better.

This is stupid.

There's nothing wrong with an in-depth post by post analysis and the fact that newer players don't know this is just a sign of how spammy and annoying the meta has gotten .
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 11 2014 19:19 GMT
#1236
On June 12 2014 04:17 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 13:26 Chairman Ray wrote:
On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote:
Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said.


Sorry, I'll try to keep it brief from now on. You can just read the "Overall" statement at the end


Look I like everything you said I think it's great. I read the whole thing. You got an A+ on your homework for sure. I really, really, really hate that you commented on everything I said in the order I said it in both posts though. If you are mafia which I think you probably are, that's the only thing you should have changed to make it better.

This is stupid.

There's nothing wrong with an in-depth post by post analysis and the fact that newer players don't know this is just a sign of how spammy and annoying the meta has gotten .


Alright
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 11 2014 19:22 GMT
#1237
On June 12 2014 03:51 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 03:36 ritoky wrote:
Idk, I don't think Koshi's suspicions of Chrom are completely unwarranted. I found this interaction very strange:

On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT?


Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red.

In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game.
I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass.


At the time, I don't feel like JAT had done anything that was alignment indicative in the slightest, so I don't really know why Chrom would ping sinani for a read on him. I just think in some regards you were baiting him.

However, sinani's response is pretty horrible imo. It reads forced, noncommittal, and not really substantive.

I think JAT was right to pounce on it and for good reason and I think he seems more town for it.


I explained why I asked this.


And I didn't like your explanation.

JAT made a joke/dodged sinani's question and you have this expectation of him that he was supposed to get a strong read off of it. His response is crap, but sinani says he dodged it and has to go. Then you criticize him for not scum hunting.....the guy just said he was leaving?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 11 2014 19:55 GMT
#1238
Blergh caught up with the thread and lunch is over
[complain about spam, maybe if I do it more it's likely to work]

Anyway, I would kill koshi right now. Don't have anything new to add, I like chromatic ally's case

Also would still kill rainbows
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
June 11 2014 19:58 GMT
#1239
Hey, just caught up in a blitz. Here are my notes / :
+ Show Spoiler +
Chanman = town for brave gallows houmer

Palmer= neutral claim, fits? Maybs kill? Him bieng grey would explain his ambivilance, but if he was actually third party would he be so cavalier about it?

Chrom= Town for yolo push onto Koshi, posts do seem well thought out too.

Tehpoofter= redish for wanting spam?

Round= talking alot, not sure scum can play so fluid. Robik is known to be pretty emotional so the whole peronsal defence thing is in character.

bats= Aggresive. Dont like how everything reafirms his own bias, but his activity is helpful to town as a whole so townie?

Jat= Dont like how he tries t interject in the bat round fight. Will read more into him

Sinani- Unspoken tryst with round? Attacks other not quite as active players? Scumish?

Ritoky = town for brazen freedom mongering

Marv= null, biding his time one way or another. Dont like the whole “your bad and you should feel bad.” attitude he has regarding accusations.

Tica Tica= not sure why hes calling back to plam? Feels townie cause hes clearing names and picking out odd targets. Doesnt feel like he has an agenda?

Tefpoof= odd koshi attack? Dont like how he wanted to catch Marv for the sake of catching marv, feels like seeding?

Meapak= Null? Wierdness obscures actual motives? Reads Marv as scum, will need to see more of him

Vayne= Skips a bunch of pages? Not sure scum would feel safe enough to do that? Belies a sense of isolation or potentially scummy laziness. Hard to say.

Kush= null

Chairman= Dont like how he basically says he doesnt like a whole post, then proceeds to break it apart bit by bit. Yet doesnt make an accusation out of it? Feels like hes trying to get other townies to jump, as if “take your pick folks! I cant eat another bite / :” scummy, will elaborate on him.

Exo= Scared to rush out opinions? Scumish

Bill murray= Insane

Yamato is fearless= town

Rainbows= Like his whole “these guys are on the same page as me, and have the same process, I'm town ergo so are they!” Not necessarily right but reads as a townie mentality.


Dont like this post by Chairman
On June 11 2014 11:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
batsnacks, I do not fully understand your post, and was hoping you could clarify a few thing for me:

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:


Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself.


Do you have specific posts? I feel you are speaking too metaphorically and I don't actually see what you mean in his filter.

Show nested quote +
Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia.


I'm not sure how to respond to this. What does "too impressive" mean?

Show nested quote +
tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them.


tehpoofer made a ton of posts today and you have summarized a few of them. Can you explain why these posts you have selected are alignment indicative, and what you think about all his other posts?

Show nested quote +
vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS


Palmer has skipped the game thus far because of dota. Why is he not on your FOS?

Show nested quote +
sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first


Why is this town indicative? Why doesn't Bill Murray get town cred from calling out roundabout's sheeping the wrong player?

Show nested quote +
exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS


Why is this suspicious behavior?

Show nested quote +
Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS


Exo has made posts that are not just asking for terminology. Why did you discount these posts?

Show nested quote +
TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read.


Why did you give TicaTica a null read with no real explanation, and not included any of the other people who have posted in this thread?


What I get from it is that he basically didnt like Bats whole post, but doesn't immediately jump on him for it? The way he so cleanly spread out his greivances, it feels like hes trying to offer everyone something to pounce on, but doesnt peronally leap on any of it himself.

When the opposite happens, and people jump on him for the shoddy post, he comes out swinging, but drops the read after just a couple hours when no one really agrees with him / : Notably Bat was an enemy of Rounds, as was Chair man. Did he bilieve they were scum together? Cause he never took back his read on round. Honestly it seems as if the heat on Round died down a bit and he came after Bat because thats the conflict he was most familiar with ( when your maf you tend to focus more on the events that directly concern you and as a result your accusations lean that way because those are the matters your best versed in.)

Yeah not a fan of the Chair....Man
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
June 11 2014 19:59 GMT
#1240
On June 12 2014 04:55 strongandbig wrote:
Blergh caught up with the thread and lunch is over
[complain about spam, maybe if I do it more it's likely to work]

Anyway, I would kill koshi right now. Don't have anything new to add, I like chromatic ally's case

Also would still kill rainbows


LURKERS UNITE XD our entry post timings are scarily close.
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