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On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning.
Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads.
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On June 12 2014 02:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Hey marv, tell me who's scum.
it'd be much more fun for everyone involved (actually i'm just thinking of me) if you told me who was scum instead
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On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads.
Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...?
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So tehpoofter anything on me yet? This is my scum meta after all
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I can actually open that question.
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On June 12 2014 02:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Chrom. You said that your case on Sinani was "a very early-game case, and certainly not cause for a "strong scumread"". If that's the case then how do you explain this post? Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done. On June 11 2014 06:31 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:27 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:23 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie. No, asking useful questions and giving reads is. But your question here has no impact on anyone's alignment, and your other question is a soft-defense of Robik for no reason. On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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another good point.
god im so confused.
this game is really hard.
can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing.
shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. Why so defensive? Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive? What was your thought process when you asked these questions? I wanted to know the answer because I would react in a similar way if someone voted for me. Maybe more concisely, as I did when you voted for me, perhaps, but it doesn't seem wrong for Round to defend himself. The nicknames = mafia thing was just a waste of time and I was pointing out bat's hypocrisy. According to here, his post was meant to get a read on JAT, based on whether JAT's justification for pressuring round matched up with sinani's own thoughts on round's defense. But JAT (unless I totally missed it) didn't respond to the question. And if JAT is questionable/possible scum to sinani, he would be getting him to answer the question to help him read JAT. And the noncommittal read on JAT is bad in and of itself.
I don't like this guy.
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On June 12 2014 02:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:06 TicaTica wrote:On June 12 2014 01:54 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 01:48 TicaTica wrote:
Koshi. What change in your read on myself? Look at your filter. Am confused. Mostly am short post. Some present contain thoughts even. I attempt buddy Sandroba too; also meet failure. Had throwback joke with Bill Murray. Am confused for that your reasons for voting me previous seem increased. Howevers you drop wolfy read on myself. Could happy Koshi give explain? There is no reason in your filter to drop anything. I voted MZ because he deserved it. I don't even know why you think I dropped it. It didn't mention you anymore. Therefore, the read is the same. Do I have to post in each post that my read on you stays the same or something? There is no reason you are town. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning.
No. Am not in need of byline explaining read on me every point. Cromantically were gifted an expansion with poor meta justification. Is just, you seem angry; I miss happy Koshi is all. I is usually not seeing wolfy make bad case on nothing that early. Quite usual, town get zealous and see shadows not in existence. Just like other games and other peoples, you has found strong, being to you illogical, reads from other persons scummy.
I do not hate your CR read or thepoofter read. Obiwan and round seem far early and bad reason. Robik is mostly one had posted and he is capable as both alignment. Mocsta response to me very bad as well. Just cannot pin them yet. So 2 bad townread and 1 wrong scumread, mayhaps 2 if Chromatically is also being town, and all four with less than good reasons my thinking. That why I question you.
edit: On seconds thought, am less sure on Robik/Mocsta read. Mayhaps that was very good townread. I vaccilate on it.
As for Batsnacks, it is in the post itself if read. Let my quote:
On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:
Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself.
Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia.
tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them.
roundabout - Will probably be my vote for the rest of day 1. Looked way too nervous when I went after him early. Plus I hate hydras.
vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS
sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first.
exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS
Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS
TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read.
Finds you scummy, not listing Koshi in scum reads. Includes 5 filler soft targets. Has me at null where I also "soft defend" Sinani but no comment there being. Has 4 very bad scum read; all but 1 lacking scum read. Also many time has "forgotten" people or things from his reads post. Very strange indeed. I just find how he is thinking to include who he includes and why he be reading people as he be very odd. Nothing he say make me want to grab pitchfork; just a very remarkably unremarkable post with odd thinking. I find very scummy.
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On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...?
There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round.
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On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...? There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round.
I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read?
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I don't think I care enough.
Folks make me care, why should I vote who? I have been following and like "meh" the whole time!
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On June 12 2014 02:54 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...? There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round. I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read?
Tica Tica du Costa Rica what u doin?
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On June 12 2014 02:39 marvellosity wrote:it'd be much more fun for everyone involved (actually i'm just thinking of me) if you told me who was scum instead
I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours.
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On June 12 2014 02:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Chrom. You said that your case on Sinani was "a very early-game case, and certainly not cause for a "strong scumread"". If that's the case then how do you explain this post? Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done. On June 11 2014 06:31 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:27 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:23 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie. No, asking useful questions and giving reads is. But your question here has no impact on anyone's alignment, and your other question is a soft-defense of Robik for no reason. On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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another good point.
god im so confused.
this game is really hard.
can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing.
shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. Why so defensive? Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive? What was your thought process when you asked these questions? I wanted to know the answer because I would react in a similar way if someone voted for me. Maybe more concisely, as I did when you voted for me, perhaps, but it doesn't seem wrong for Round to defend himself. The nicknames = mafia thing was just a waste of time and I was pointing out bat's hypocrisy. According to here, his post was meant to get a read on JAT, based on whether JAT's justification for pressuring round matched up with sinani's own thoughts on round's defense. But JAT (unless I totally missed it) didn't respond to the question. And if JAT is questionable/possible scum to sinani, he would be getting him to answer the question to help him read JAT. And the noncommittal read on JAT is bad in and of itself.
That's how I make cases. I don't say "X could be scum" or "X is scummy" or "I think X is scum" when I'm pushing them, I say "X is scum".
If you'll look at the rest of the sentence as well, you'll notice that it says "he is scum because ...", indicating that it was introducing my reasoning more than making an assertion anyway.
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On June 12 2014 02:54 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...? There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round. I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read?
He says that using nicknames is a scum tactic to confuse people, something that doesn't make any sense. And then he says that Round is scum because he called someone by their nickname, ignoring the fact that even if the nickname thing is a scum tactic it doesn't automatically make him scum for addressing someone by their nickname. It's wrong on too many levels, at least in my mind.
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On June 12 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Chrom. You said that your case on Sinani was "a very early-game case, and certainly not cause for a "strong scumread"". If that's the case then how do you explain this post? On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done. On June 11 2014 06:31 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:27 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:23 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
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Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie. No, asking useful questions and giving reads is. But your question here has no impact on anyone's alignment, and your other question is a soft-defense of Robik for no reason. On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:
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I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. Why so defensive? Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive? What was your thought process when you asked these questions? I wanted to know the answer because I would react in a similar way if someone voted for me. Maybe more concisely, as I did when you voted for me, perhaps, but it doesn't seem wrong for Round to defend himself. The nicknames = mafia thing was just a waste of time and I was pointing out bat's hypocrisy. According to here, his post was meant to get a read on JAT, based on whether JAT's justification for pressuring round matched up with sinani's own thoughts on round's defense. But JAT (unless I totally missed it) didn't respond to the question. And if JAT is questionable/possible scum to sinani, he would be getting him to answer the question to help him read JAT. And the noncommittal read on JAT is bad in and of itself. I don't like this guy.
I agree with this.
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Can everyone at least give a read on Koshi and/or explain whether you agree or disagree with the case?
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On June 12 2014 03:05 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2014 02:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Chrom. You said that your case on Sinani was "a very early-game case, and certainly not cause for a "strong scumread"". If that's the case then how do you explain this post? On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done. On June 11 2014 06:31 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:27 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:23 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
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Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie. No, asking useful questions and giving reads is. But your question here has no impact on anyone's alignment, and your other question is a soft-defense of Robik for no reason. On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
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You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well.
##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. Why so defensive? Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive? What was your thought process when you asked these questions? I wanted to know the answer because I would react in a similar way if someone voted for me. Maybe more concisely, as I did when you voted for me, perhaps, but it doesn't seem wrong for Round to defend himself. The nicknames = mafia thing was just a waste of time and I was pointing out bat's hypocrisy. According to here, his post was meant to get a read on JAT, based on whether JAT's justification for pressuring round matched up with sinani's own thoughts on round's defense. But JAT (unless I totally missed it) didn't respond to the question. And if JAT is questionable/possible scum to sinani, he would be getting him to answer the question to help him read JAT. And the noncommittal read on JAT is bad in and of itself. I don't like this guy. I agree with this.
How surprising...
I think he is unneccessarily nitpicking here. I can't see how someone genuinely thinks you are scummy for that out of all things.
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On June 12 2014 03:06 Chromatically wrote:
Can everyone at least give a read on Koshi and/or explain whether you agree or disagree with the case?
Ok
Null on Koshi wondering if his mad = scum he doesn't like rolling scum.
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On June 12 2014 02:56 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:54 TicaTica wrote:On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...? There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round. I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read? Tica Tica du Costa Rica what u doin?
Brother of the hijole, I am think about who should merit my vote. I am being less sure of who I dislike most.
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On June 12 2014 03:04 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:54 TicaTica wrote:On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 12 2014 02:39 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 12 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving. Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning. Because of the terrible and illogical nature of some of his reads. Do you think the terrible and illogical is the preserve of only one faction...? There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round. I am not understanding this. I be find Batsnacks scum but have specific doubt related to newness and terribleness. Why are you so certain of this read? He says that using nicknames is a scum tactic to confuse people, something that doesn't make any sense. And then he says that Round is scum because he called someone by their nickname, ignoring the fact that even if the nickname thing is a scum tactic it doesn't automatically make him scum for addressing someone by their nickname. It's wrong on too many levels, at least in my mind.
Those are things that make think less good rather than scum. Why do you find it different?
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