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On June 12 2014 01:35 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 01:28 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 01:24 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote:
It's not a contradiction.
It was pretty obvious Chrom was pushing Sinani. He can't downplay that push at all.
The second time I toned it down to "mehly" because that represented the way MZ talked about the push and I took it over so that it looks like MZ shared my opinion on the Chrom push yet called my post bad. The point is you first called me scummy because my read was too strong, as in I had to be mafia because there's no way I could be that confident as town (this was also my first point, that my read was not even remotely "too strong"). Then the second time you called me scummy because you didn't think I was pushing it enough. Pretty sure the bolded says that you were trying to make it look like you had the same opinion as MZ, by purposefully misrepresenting it, so.. It are actually 2 different points I raise. You shouldn't link them together. 1) I say your read on Sinani was too strong (I don't believe you can have a read that strong so early) 2) I say your push was not convincing anybody. aka mehly. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote:
Also do you remember MZ saying that he read Chrome his filter and didn't understand what Chromes case on Sinani was about? My "scumread" on Chrome is based on that same fact. The fact that Chrome is pushing Sinani pretty mehly.
You say they're different points, but your original post says that they are the same.
In my very first post. If I posted that you pushed Sinani unconvincingly and that your scumread was too strong for the time being than I am good. Otherwise you might have a point.
Anyway, I am totally town and I am posting what I see. You can call it fabricated, grasping and desperate. I shouldn't care.
If you have no interest to communicate before you go call me the 100% lynch for today. I don' tsee the point in you communicating with me now. Go push it then. It is already 100%. You want to go for 150%? Kinda dumb and unnecessarily. I don't even see what that "trap" is supposed to be btw. No my read didn't change. You should be watched. Closely.
So. You and me are done. You made that clear with this:
"Koshi is scum, we are lynching him today. He is completely fabricating his read on me and desperately trying to find things to support it."
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On June 12 2014 01:37 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 01:36 ExO_ wrote:On June 12 2014 01:26 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.
I GOT IT CHROM
I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.
SORRY BRO
OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE. Has your read on me changed? Why should his read on you matter? shhhh
? I don't know that I agree with Koshi, but I don't think your either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. He said you're potentially scummy, and it seems to me you care more about him publicly changing this opinion than anything else. If he is scummy and trying to falsely place scum blame on you, isn't it more important that we all know he's scum and you're not, rather than what he's telling everybody?
Why do you care about his read on you so much?
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On June 12 2014 01:45 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 01:37 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:36 ExO_ wrote:On June 12 2014 01:26 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.
I GOT IT CHROM
I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.
SORRY BRO
OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE. Has your read on me changed? Why should his read on you matter? shhhh ? I don't know that I agree with Koshi, but I don't think your either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. He said you're potentially scummy, and it seems to me you care more about him publicly changing this opinion than anything else. If he is scummy and trying to falsely place scum blame on you, isn't it more important that we all know he's scum and you're not, rather than what he's telling everybody? Why do you care about his read on you so much?
EBWOP
I meant to say but I think you're either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. Not I don't think.
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Koshi. What change in your read on myself?
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On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.
I GOT IT CHROM
I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.
SORRY BRO
OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE.
My point in asking that question was that this does not sound like someone talking to their scumread. This sounds like he thinks I'm town.
Think about it. If you're town and your scumread posts a big case on you claiming that you're misrepresenting them and trying to get you lynched, you're probably going to be mad/attack back and defend yourself. You wouldn't jokingly apologize to your scumread for pushing them, when you think they're scum trying to mislynch you.
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On June 12 2014 01:53 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.
I GOT IT CHROM
I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.
SORRY BRO
OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE. My point in asking that question was that this does not sound like someone talking to their scumread. This sounds like he thinks I'm town. Think about it. If you're town and your scumread posts a big case on you claiming that you're misrepresenting them and trying to get you lynched, you're probably going to be mad/attack back and defend yourself. You wouldn't jokingly apologize to your scumread for pushing them, when you think they're scum trying to mislynch you.
You missed the sarcasm.
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On June 12 2014 01:48 TicaTica wrote:
Koshi. What change in your read on myself?
Look at your filter.
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Not liking Batsnacks atm. His reasons for voting Roundabound are "i don't like hydras" and "He called someone by their nickname" and when Roundabound pointed out his second reason made no sense (Round called someone by their nickname. Calling someone by a nickname is a scum tactic apparently. Therefore Round is scum. A train of thought so wrong i have trouble believing it came naturally as town) he just dismissed it.
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
And when Sinani pointed out that his sweeping generalization based on incorrect premises had just as little to do with this game he repeatedly feigned ignorance as opposed to responding to it properly.
Also he thinks ChairmanRay is scum because his posts are "too intelligent and thorough". It's not only a hunch says he has, he's "Leaning heavily toward mafia" on Chairman because his posts are well thought out. What kind of logic is that? Then he backtracks and says that it was a weak read when it clearly wasn't and brings up some game in which a completely different player was doing something completely different to reinforce his read.
##Vote: Batsnacks
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On June 12 2014 01:54 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 01:48 TicaTica wrote:
Koshi. What change in your read on myself? Look at your filter.
Am confused. Mostly am short post. Some present contain thoughts even. I attempt buddy Sandroba too; also meet failure. Had throwback joke with Bill Murray. Am confused for that your reasons for voting me previous seem increased. Howevers you drop wolfy read on myself. Could happy Koshi give explain?
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On June 12 2014 02:06 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 01:54 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 01:48 TicaTica wrote:
Koshi. What change in your read on myself? Look at your filter. Am confused. Mostly am short post. Some present contain thoughts even. I attempt buddy Sandroba too; also meet failure. Had throwback joke with Bill Murray. Am confused for that your reasons for voting me previous seem increased. Howevers you drop wolfy read on myself. Could happy Koshi give explain?
There is no reason in your filter to drop anything. I voted MZ because he deserved it. I don't even know why you think I dropped it. It didn't mention you anymore. Therefore, the read is the same. Do I have to post in each post that my read on you stays the same or something? There is no reason you are town.
Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning.
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On June 12 2014 01:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 01:35 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:28 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 01:24 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote:
It's not a contradiction.
It was pretty obvious Chrom was pushing Sinani. He can't downplay that push at all.
The second time I toned it down to "mehly" because that represented the way MZ talked about the push and I took it over so that it looks like MZ shared my opinion on the Chrom push yet called my post bad. The point is you first called me scummy because my read was too strong, as in I had to be mafia because there's no way I could be that confident as town (this was also my first point, that my read was not even remotely "too strong"). Then the second time you called me scummy because you didn't think I was pushing it enough. Pretty sure the bolded says that you were trying to make it look like you had the same opinion as MZ, by purposefully misrepresenting it, so.. It are actually 2 different points I raise. You shouldn't link them together. 1) I say your read on Sinani was too strong (I don't believe you can have a read that strong so early) 2) I say your push was not convincing anybody. aka mehly. On June 11 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote:
Also do you remember MZ saying that he read Chrome his filter and didn't understand what Chromes case on Sinani was about? My "scumread" on Chrome is based on that same fact. The fact that Chrome is pushing Sinani pretty mehly.
You say they're different points, but your original post says that they are the same. In my very first post. If I posted that you pushed Sinani unconvincingly and that your scumread was too strong for the time being than I am good. Otherwise you might have a point. Anyway, I am totally town and I am posting what I see. You can call it fabricated, grasping and desperate. I shouldn't care. If you have no interest to communicate before you go call me the 100% lynch for today. I don' tsee the point in you communicating with me now. Go push it then. It is already 100%. You want to go for 150%? Kinda dumb and unnecessarily. I don't even see what that "trap" is supposed to be btw. No my read didn't change. You should be watched. Closely. So. You and me are done. You made that clear with this:
"Koshi is scum, we are lynching him today. He is completely fabricating his read on me and desperately trying to find things to support it."
I've been looking at this for about 5 minutes, and... like... what? Is this a breakup or something? Are you breaking up with me, Koshi?
I've checked your first post, you didn't say anything about my push on sinani being unconvincing. But whatever, okay. I doubt you would blatantly lie about something that can be checked.
Mainly, I don't see why you wouldn't just answer the case instead of doing this "ragequit".
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6 scum. Before somebody goes. amagad Koshi named his 5 teammates scum or something
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On June 12 2014 02:10 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 01:43 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 01:35 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:28 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 01:24 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote:
It's not a contradiction.
It was pretty obvious Chrom was pushing Sinani. He can't downplay that push at all.
The second time I toned it down to "mehly" because that represented the way MZ talked about the push and I took it over so that it looks like MZ shared my opinion on the Chrom push yet called my post bad. The point is you first called me scummy because my read was too strong, as in I had to be mafia because there's no way I could be that confident as town (this was also my first point, that my read was not even remotely "too strong"). Then the second time you called me scummy because you didn't think I was pushing it enough. Pretty sure the bolded says that you were trying to make it look like you had the same opinion as MZ, by purposefully misrepresenting it, so.. It are actually 2 different points I raise. You shouldn't link them together. 1) I say your read on Sinani was too strong (I don't believe you can have a read that strong so early) 2) I say your push was not convincing anybody. aka mehly. On June 11 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote:
Also do you remember MZ saying that he read Chrome his filter and didn't understand what Chromes case on Sinani was about? My "scumread" on Chrome is based on that same fact. The fact that Chrome is pushing Sinani pretty mehly.
You say they're different points, but your original post says that they are the same. In my very first post. If I posted that you pushed Sinani unconvincingly and that your scumread was too strong for the time being than I am good. Otherwise you might have a point. Anyway, I am totally town and I am posting what I see. You can call it fabricated, grasping and desperate. I shouldn't care. If you have no interest to communicate before you go call me the 100% lynch for today. I don' tsee the point in you communicating with me now. Go push it then. It is already 100%. You want to go for 150%? Kinda dumb and unnecessarily. I don't even see what that "trap" is supposed to be btw. No my read didn't change. You should be watched. Closely. So. You and me are done. You made that clear with this:
"Koshi is scum, we are lynching him today. He is completely fabricating his read on me and desperately trying to find things to support it." I've been looking at this for about 5 minutes, and... like... what? Is this a breakup or something? Are you breaking up with me, Koshi? I've checked your first post, you didn't say anything about my push on sinani being unconvincing. But whatever, okay. I doubt you would blatantly lie about something that can be checked. Mainly, I don't see why you wouldn't just answer the case instead of doing this "ragequit".
You have me as scum 100%.
Go push your read.
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Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving.
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On June 12 2014 02:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ohh, things have occurred in the time it took me to type that up. Looks like i have to do some more filter diving.
Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning.
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On June 12 2014 02:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 02:10 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:43 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 01:35 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:28 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 01:24 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote:
It's not a contradiction.
It was pretty obvious Chrom was pushing Sinani. He can't downplay that push at all.
The second time I toned it down to "mehly" because that represented the way MZ talked about the push and I took it over so that it looks like MZ shared my opinion on the Chrom push yet called my post bad. The point is you first called me scummy because my read was too strong, as in I had to be mafia because there's no way I could be that confident as town (this was also my first point, that my read was not even remotely "too strong"). Then the second time you called me scummy because you didn't think I was pushing it enough. Pretty sure the bolded says that you were trying to make it look like you had the same opinion as MZ, by purposefully misrepresenting it, so.. It are actually 2 different points I raise. You shouldn't link them together. 1) I say your read on Sinani was too strong (I don't believe you can have a read that strong so early) 2) I say your push was not convincing anybody. aka mehly. On June 11 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote:
Also do you remember MZ saying that he read Chrome his filter and didn't understand what Chromes case on Sinani was about? My "scumread" on Chrome is based on that same fact. The fact that Chrome is pushing Sinani pretty mehly.
You say they're different points, but your original post says that they are the same. In my very first post. If I posted that you pushed Sinani unconvincingly and that your scumread was too strong for the time being than I am good. Otherwise you might have a point. Anyway, I am totally town and I am posting what I see. You can call it fabricated, grasping and desperate. I shouldn't care. If you have no interest to communicate before you go call me the 100% lynch for today. I don' tsee the point in you communicating with me now. Go push it then. It is already 100%. You want to go for 150%? Kinda dumb and unnecessarily. I don't even see what that "trap" is supposed to be btw. No my read didn't change. You should be watched. Closely. So. You and me are done. You made that clear with this:
"Koshi is scum, we are lynching him today. He is completely fabricating his read on me and desperately trying to find things to support it." I've been looking at this for about 5 minutes, and... like... what? Is this a breakup or something? Are you breaking up with me, Koshi? I've checked your first post, you didn't say anything about my push on sinani being unconvincing. But whatever, okay. I doubt you would blatantly lie about something that can be checked. Mainly, I don't see why you wouldn't just answer the case instead of doing this "ragequit". You have me as scum 100%. Go push your read.
Okay.
I obviously don't have you as 100% scum because no one can be 100% scum, but the fact that you won't even answer the case makes me think that it's because you can't. I would expect town Koshi to be dying to tear into the obviously scum-driven case against him, but you just ignore it for no reason.
His reaction post is similarly not a town reaction to being pushed by his scumread. I know it's sarcasm. But it really doesn't feel like what a townie would say in his situation. I don't really know how to explain it better.
The contradiction is still a contradiction, Koshi's first post said nothing about my push being weak, it actually said "I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard". He still has no reason to believe that my push was impossibly strong. The rest of his posting and reads are meh at best.
choo choo, wagon of justice, etc.
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On June 12 2014 01:47 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 01:45 ExO_ wrote:On June 12 2014 01:37 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:36 ExO_ wrote:On June 12 2014 01:26 Chromatically wrote:On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.
I GOT IT CHROM
I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.
SORRY BRO
OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE. Has your read on me changed? Why should his read on you matter? shhhh ? I don't know that I agree with Koshi, but I don't think your either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. He said you're potentially scummy, and it seems to me you care more about him publicly changing this opinion than anything else. If he is scummy and trying to falsely place scum blame on you, isn't it more important that we all know he's scum and you're not, rather than what he's telling everybody? Why do you care about his read on you so much? EBWOP I meant to say but I think you're either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. Not I don't think.
What am I misinterpreting?
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Vote Count - Day 1:
Palmar (0): batsnacks
yamato77 (0): Palmar
roundabound (2): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, batsnacks, Chairman Ray, Bill Murray, Bill Murray, ketomai
sinani206 (0): Chromatically, Tehpoofter
Koshi (4): TicaTica, Tehpoofter, Rainbows, HaruRH, Chromatically
TicaTica (0): Koshi
ExO_ (2): sandroba, Tehpoofter, kushm4sta
HolyFlare (0): Tehpoofter, Palmar
Bill Murray (1): roundabound
ketomai (2): ObiWanShinobi, tehpoofter
batsnacks (1): Chairman Ray, TheKingOfTheCats
Meapak_Ziphh (2): Mattisfoolish, Bill Murray, Koshi
tehpoofter (0): Bill Murray, Palmar
strongandbig (2): Bill Murray, Palmar
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Hey marv, tell me who's scum.
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Chrom. You said that your case on Sinani was "a very early-game case, and certainly not cause for a "strong scumread"". If that's the case then how do you explain this post?
On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 06:31 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:27 Chromatically wrote:On June 11 2014 06:23 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same. Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post. what was your post then Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie. No, asking useful questions and giving reads is. But your question here has no impact on anyone's alignment, and your other question is a soft-defense of Robik for no reason. On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote:On June 11 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote:
There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well. ##Vote: Roundaboud I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play. Why so defensive? Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive? What was your thought process when you asked these questions? I wanted to know the answer because I would react in a similar way if someone voted for me. Maybe more concisely, as I did when you voted for me, perhaps, but it doesn't seem wrong for Round to defend himself. The nicknames = mafia thing was just a waste of time and I was pointing out bat's hypocrisy. According to here, his post was meant to get a read on JAT, based on whether JAT's justification for pressuring round matched up with sinani's own thoughts on round's defense. But JAT (unless I totally missed it) didn't respond to the question. And if JAT is questionable/possible scum to sinani, he would be getting him to answer the question to help him read JAT. And the noncommittal read on JAT is bad in and of itself.
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