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On June 21 2014 10:38 ritoky wrote:
and so people can stop trying to interpret my thought process, i will tell you it:
step 1) let's read mafia thread
step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother
step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up
step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her
step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive
step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions
step 7) cascade into flames
step 8) rescind claim
step 9) probably get lynched for bad play
I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time.
Question, what did you mean in step 5?
Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop.
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I believe ritoky. Does anyone else?
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On June 21 2014 10:31 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 10:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:Hahaha, I'm laughing so hard right now. He claimed a green on his top scum lynch, and a red on me, who wasn't even MENTIONED in his reads?! Look in spoiler below. + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2014 04:48 ritoky wrote:Well I promised reads, then I fell asleep. So here they are, as much as I can fit in before I have to go: Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, MarvOther town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this: Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 15:39 Holyflare wrote:
Look, we vote sandroba because not playing the game is his mafia meta. We vote kush because he's actually playing his mafia game. We look at poofters play in the last bit of today because he is playing to his mafia meta atm. We can look at gumshoe because he really isn't doing anything and his posts have been contentless and not driven to solving things but rather just agreeing with people that something looks weird. We probably push snb because his posts are non posts and he's afking the day pretty much too, his flip would also give loads of info.
The people making these long tunnel cases chrom, rainbiws, haru etc etc are most probably town and they're all so tunneled they are ignoring the actual people doing scummy things To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority: Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 15:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 15 2014 15:50 ritoky wrote:
why did you choose to leave VayneAuthority off of your list? especially since it is focused on inactives/unproductives? Because he's done nothing and slipped my mind? I also don't know him well enough to say an alignment. And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this: Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 15:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
i got a teamliquid message that people are mentioning my name in this thread, what the hell guys you woke up my alarm i was sleeping fuckin teamliquidz Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened. Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
VA - Tried today a little bit seems to care at least moderately about the game and isn't just randomly throwing his vote on someone and afking for 48 hrs.
This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest. No bueno people- Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive. - Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game. - Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like. Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny.This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will. Scum alert 101. Even if he rescended, and is VT this is a super bad play. Like wtf. Plus, I've been scum reading him since I've gotten into this game, and he claims a red on me?! He's never even mentioned in his filter at all that I was a scum read. And the fact he does this when CR is about to get lynched, makes me wonder if he is doing it to get off of a mafia member, more likely a pr. Ritoky, if you are town, that was the stupidest play ever. If you are mafia, well then gg, you just outed yourself. ##Vote: Ritoky yup you're 100% mafia, should stuck through the fake claim just to get you lynched.
You are so wrong it hurts.
And when i flipped town, youd still would have gotten lynched.
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On June 21 2014 10:42 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 10:34 ritoky wrote:
also, ticatica. i agree with everything you said. you give a well thought through analysis of why the play was bad.
i don't believe any of the stuff in your post really points to any reason why i am mafia though. bad play doesn't equal mafia.
anywayz, like i said; when i flip VT, 27nb is like 100% mafia here. Ok let's say I want to believe you. What was your purpose in this gambit and where were you planning to go with it originally and as things developed as it was playing out?
Well the play was less so about green checking chrom, he was honestly just an excuse (it just turns out that part exploded); it was mostly about faking a red check on 27nb who had ascended to my top scum read pretty recently. So mainly it was a play to get a solid reaction out of her for the fake red check tbh. If she reacted well, I probably would have rescinded the claim. If she reacted poorly I am not sure if I would have rescinded the claim until the night phase. Hadn't really thought that far ahead.
Just so happened that everyone was a giant dick about me outing everything immediately, and the fact that I mixed up the order of how I should have done things (newb mistake), that I couldn't get the response I wanted. That said, she ended up giving a terrible response anywayz, and I am regretting rescinding. I shoulda just stuck it out to get her lynched.
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Just go back and look. Does ritoky's "plan" sound like something that he thought out thoroughly at all? I believe he was just bored and tired with how the game was going and took it upon himself to change things in the moment.
I mean I was ready to vote Marv today. This game wasn't going anywhere but a town loss without drastic measures.
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On June 21 2014 10:44 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 10:38 ritoky wrote:
and so people can stop trying to interpret my thought process, i will tell you it:
step 1) let's read mafia thread
step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother
step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up
step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her
step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive
step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions
step 7) cascade into flames
step 8) rescind claim
step 9) probably get lynched for bad play I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time. Question, what did you mean in step 5? Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop.
27nb posted like an hour or 2 before I made the claim the she was around and babysitting (might have had times wrong) so I thought she was here.
Re step 5: people were going to push for checks either before or after the reaction, it is not uncommon (at least where I come from) to half-heartedly tunnel on your n1 green check as a cop. plus chrom was in the thread so he could give response to the situation.
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Go look at the votes. When all of you actually believe ritoky was the cop, these people voted bunnies:
ExO_
marvellosity
roundabound
Holyflare
Rainbows
I'll bet that if you're town, those names make up a good part of your town list.
Now that everyone thinks ritoky is mafia and newb, he has a LOT more votes than people on that list.
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On June 21 2014 10:50 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 10:42 TicaTica wrote:On June 21 2014 10:34 ritoky wrote:
also, ticatica. i agree with everything you said. you give a well thought through analysis of why the play was bad.
i don't believe any of the stuff in your post really points to any reason why i am mafia though. bad play doesn't equal mafia.
anywayz, like i said; when i flip VT, 27nb is like 100% mafia here. Ok let's say I want to believe you. What was your purpose in this gambit and where were you planning to go with it originally and as things developed as it was playing out? Well the play was less so about green checking chrom, he was honestly just an excuse (it just turns out that part exploded); it was mostly about faking a red check on 27nb who had ascended to my top scum read pretty recently. So mainly it was a play to get a solid reaction out of her for the fake red check tbh. If she reacted well, I probably would have rescinded the claim. If she reacted poorly I am not sure if I would have rescinded the claim until the night phase. Hadn't really thought that far ahead. Just so happened that everyone was a giant dick about me outing everything immediately, and the fact that I mixed up the order of how I should have done things (newb mistake), that I couldn't get the response I wanted. That said, she ended up giving a terrible response anywayz, and I am regretting rescinding. I shoulda just stuck it out to get her lynched.
So if you wanted to get bunnies' reaction, why would you start by asking Chrome about her? AdditionLly, why would you dick around with who you're red checking? What sort of alignment indicative responses were you hoping to get? You said you thought she was 'around' but babysitting right? Why not wait for when she posts or just red check her and wait until she gets here.
All I see at this point is you trying to cover up getting caught red handed with more bullshit that doesn't add up whatsoever.
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Seriously go look at the votes. We don't have to lynch ritoky just because he did something rash. Going John Rambo and making a huge mess in the thread is not what mafia does.
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On June 21 2014 10:58 batsnacks wrote:
Go look at the votes. When all of you actually believe ritoky was the cop, these people voted bunnies:
ExO_
marvellosity
roundabound
Holyflare
Rainbows
I'll bet that if you're town, those names make up a good part of your town list.
Now that everyone thinks ritoky is mafia and newb, he has a LOT more votes than people on that list.
The thing that bugs me most is that with ritoky's claim, many people assumed it was me without ritoky even outing his check.
Instead of chrom, who was ritoky's top lynch.
Did i miss something there?
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On June 21 2014 11:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 10:58 batsnacks wrote:
Go look at the votes. When all of you actually believe ritoky was the cop, these people voted bunnies:
ExO_
marvellosity
roundabound
Holyflare
Rainbows
I'll bet that if you're town, those names make up a good part of your town list.
Now that everyone thinks ritoky is mafia and newb, he has a LOT more votes than people on that list. The thing that bugs me most is that with ritoky's claim, many people assumed it was me without ritoky even outing his check. Instead of chrom, who was ritoky's top lynch. Did i miss something there?
Apparently a lot of people think you're scummy? I do.
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On June 21 2014 11:00 batsnacks wrote:
Seriously go look at the votes. We don't have to lynch ritoky just because he did something rash. Going John Rambo and making a huge mess in the thread is not what mafia does.
That's like half the goal of being mafia. Hell I fake hypno'd myself as mafia one time and it come rely mindfucked town because they kept on coming back to, "but if he was town then we're in such a bad position." It wasn't good play in the group I was in but it was fun as hell and left town second guessing every move.
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Okay, so i was being town read, and now im on the top of everyone's scum list.
And i see NO reasons as to why I am scum. Like no cases whatsoever.
Its obv mafia are trying to push a ml on me, which leads me inclined to believe i have a few mafia within my lynch list.
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On June 21 2014 11:03 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 11:00 batsnacks wrote:
Seriously go look at the votes. We don't have to lynch ritoky just because he did something rash. Going John Rambo and making a huge mess in the thread is not what mafia does. That's like half the goal of being mafia. Hell I fake hypno'd myself as mafia one time and it come rely mindfucked town because they kept on coming back to, "but if he was town then we're in such a bad position." It wasn't good play in the group I was in but it was fun as hell and left town second guessing every move.
I bet part of the reason you still talk about that one time you fake hypoed is because it was out of the ordinary for you to do that.
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On June 21 2014 10:53 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 10:44 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 21 2014 10:38 ritoky wrote:
and so people can stop trying to interpret my thought process, i will tell you it:
step 1) let's read mafia thread
step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother
step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up
step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her
step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive
step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions
step 7) cascade into flames
step 8) rescind claim
step 9) probably get lynched for bad play I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time. Question, what did you mean in step 5? Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop. 27nb posted like an hour or 2 before I made the claim the she was around and babysitting (might have had times wrong) so I thought she was here. Re step 5: people were going to push for checks either before or after the reaction, it is not uncommon (at least where I come from) to half-heartedly tunnel on your n1 green check as a cop. plus chrom was in the thread so he could give response to the situation.
I still don't understand your step 5 though. You are not the cop, so what does Chrom's green check have to do with anything?
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On June 21 2014 11:00 TicaTica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 10:50 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 10:42 TicaTica wrote:On June 21 2014 10:34 ritoky wrote:
also, ticatica. i agree with everything you said. you give a well thought through analysis of why the play was bad.
i don't believe any of the stuff in your post really points to any reason why i am mafia though. bad play doesn't equal mafia.
anywayz, like i said; when i flip VT, 27nb is like 100% mafia here. Ok let's say I want to believe you. What was your purpose in this gambit and where were you planning to go with it originally and as things developed as it was playing out? Well the play was less so about green checking chrom, he was honestly just an excuse (it just turns out that part exploded); it was mostly about faking a red check on 27nb who had ascended to my top scum read pretty recently. So mainly it was a play to get a solid reaction out of her for the fake red check tbh. If she reacted well, I probably would have rescinded the claim. If she reacted poorly I am not sure if I would have rescinded the claim until the night phase. Hadn't really thought that far ahead. Just so happened that everyone was a giant dick about me outing everything immediately, and the fact that I mixed up the order of how I should have done things (newb mistake), that I couldn't get the response I wanted. That said, she ended up giving a terrible response anywayz, and I am regretting rescinding. I shoulda just stuck it out to get her lynched. So if you wanted to get bunnies' reaction, why would you start by asking Chrome about her? AdditionLly, why would you dick around with who you're red checking? What sort of alignment indicative responses were you hoping to get? You said you thought she was 'around' but babysitting right? Why not wait for when she posts or just red check her and wait until she gets here. All I see at this point is you trying to cover up getting caught red handed with more bullshit that doesn't add up whatsoever.
Well I was confident in my read, but not confident enough to not rescind it if it didn't feel right when she posted, plus I would rather get it out there earlier so that people can actually talk about it and get information from the interaction; so waiting around for even later in the phase probably isn't good.
And you're right, if I thought it through more and wanted it to be more effective I probably should have just asked chrom what his read on bunnies was or waited for bunnies to log on and ask her read on chrom. I didn't though, and I will live with that.
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On June 21 2014 11:06 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 10:53 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 10:44 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 21 2014 10:38 ritoky wrote:
and so people can stop trying to interpret my thought process, i will tell you it:
step 1) let's read mafia thread
step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother
step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up
step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her
step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive
step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions
step 7) cascade into flames
step 8) rescind claim
step 9) probably get lynched for bad play I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time. Question, what did you mean in step 5? Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop. 27nb posted like an hour or 2 before I made the claim the she was around and babysitting (might have had times wrong) so I thought she was here. Re step 5: people were going to push for checks either before or after the reaction, it is not uncommon (at least where I come from) to half-heartedly tunnel on your n1 green check as a cop. plus chrom was in the thread so he could give response to the situation. I still don't understand your step 5 though. You are not the cop, so what does Chrom's green check have to do with anything?
If you claim cop, people will ask for checks. They always do, even if you fake claim and rescind; they always ask for every check. So you need to have checks thought up. So I thought up a basic reason for a green check on chrom, mostly because he was here and I wanted to interact with him (since I had him as scum and every1 i town read had him as town).
If you're looking for a good answer, you're not in luck. It was bad play.
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On June 21 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 11:06 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 21 2014 10:53 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 10:44 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 21 2014 10:38 ritoky wrote:
and so people can stop trying to interpret my thought process, i will tell you it:
step 1) let's read mafia thread
step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother
step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up
step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her
step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive
step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions
step 7) cascade into flames
step 8) rescind claim
step 9) probably get lynched for bad play I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time. Question, what did you mean in step 5? Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop. 27nb posted like an hour or 2 before I made the claim the she was around and babysitting (might have had times wrong) so I thought she was here. Re step 5: people were going to push for checks either before or after the reaction, it is not uncommon (at least where I come from) to half-heartedly tunnel on your n1 green check as a cop. plus chrom was in the thread so he could give response to the situation. I still don't understand your step 5 though. You are not the cop, so what does Chrom's green check have to do with anything? If you claim cop, people will ask for checks. They always do, even if you fake claim and rescind; they always ask for every check. So you need to have checks thought up. So I thought up a basic reason for a green check on chrom, mostly because he was here and I wanted to interact with him (since I had him as scum and every1 i town read had him as town). If you're looking for a good answer, you're not in luck. It was bad play.
I'm trying to see this from a perspective where the play wasn't planned well.
So you needed to have some fake green check, I understand that. But to put your #1 scum as the greencheck isn't the something I can see you doing 'on-the-whim'. If I was cornered and needed to produce a fake greencheck right away, I would say marv.
I'll give this some more thought, but things just aren't lining up atm.
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On June 21 2014 11:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, so i was being town read, and now im on the top of everyone's scum list.
And i see NO reasons as to why I am scum. Like no cases whatsoever.
Its obv mafia are trying to push a ml on me, which leads me inclined to believe i have a few mafia within my lynch list.
Trying to push a ML on you? There's like a unanimous vote on me. You know I am gonna flip VT and scared of the train coming for you tmrw?
Why are you so defensive?
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On June 21 2014 11:20 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 11:06 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 21 2014 10:53 ritoky wrote:On June 21 2014 10:44 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 21 2014 10:38 ritoky wrote:
and so people can stop trying to interpret my thought process, i will tell you it:
step 1) let's read mafia thread
step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother
step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up
step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her
step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive
step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions
step 7) cascade into flames
step 8) rescind claim
step 9) probably get lynched for bad play I was just going to ask about this. Thanks for posting it ahead to time. Question, what did you mean in step 5? Also, if you decided to fake claim a red on 27nb before you went in, why didn't you wait for 27nb to be on? From how you came out, it sounds a lot more like you decided redcheck 27nb after coming out as cop. 27nb posted like an hour or 2 before I made the claim the she was around and babysitting (might have had times wrong) so I thought she was here. Re step 5: people were going to push for checks either before or after the reaction, it is not uncommon (at least where I come from) to half-heartedly tunnel on your n1 green check as a cop. plus chrom was in the thread so he could give response to the situation. I still don't understand your step 5 though. You are not the cop, so what does Chrom's green check have to do with anything? If you claim cop, people will ask for checks. They always do, even if you fake claim and rescind; they always ask for every check. So you need to have checks thought up. So I thought up a basic reason for a green check on chrom, mostly because he was here and I wanted to interact with him (since I had him as scum and every1 i town read had him as town). If you're looking for a good answer, you're not in luck. It was bad play. I'm trying to see this from a perspective where the play wasn't planned well. So you needed to have some fake green check, I understand that. But to put your #1 scum as the greencheck isn't the something I can see you doing 'on-the-whim'. If I was cornered and needed to produce a fake greencheck right away, I would say marv. I'll give this some more thought, but things just aren't lining up atm.
why would any1 night 1 check marv after he led the lynch on a mafia, even more a mafia that reduced kp?
you wouldn't have been believed lol.
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