EPTTL 'Order' LXVI Mafia - Page 252
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Rainbows
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i want to LaL badly though. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
only backtracked once counterclaimed | ||
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TicaTica
Costa Rica194 Posts
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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Rainbows
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
A big red flag for me right now is why the heck did ritoky fakeclaim to get a response from 27nb, when 27nb isn't even here? Ritoky directed everything at Chrom. Ritoky made sure Chrom was here by doing a little preamble with him. If Ritoky had any intention of trying to trap 27nb, he would have did the same with 27nb. Between Chrom and 27nb, it doesn't make sense to try to get a reaction from Chrom when he was green checked. Now, a few other people here besides me are trying to argue that ritoky is making a town mistake. I think ritoky is mafia, Chrom is mafia, and at least one of the people defending ritoky is mafia. It was all planned out and the intention was to give ritoky towncred and more importantly, have Chrom be confirmed as town. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On June 21 2014 08:45 Chairman Ray wrote: I also kinda like SnB a lot more. He was quite thoughtful for both his responses on why he wanted to lynch ritoky and then why he changed his mind. It's still alarming to me why he's playing like this all of a sudden. I'm going to re-evaluate my case on him. i had to wait for like an hour or two while my crappy vacuum pump went to work on my experiment | ||
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Rainbows
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
So ritoky claimed cop? *Goes and reads* | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Vote Count - Day 4: Chairman Ray (0): Ketomai (0): TicaTica (1): 27ninjabunnies strongandbig (0): ritoky (8): VayneAuthority, TicaTica, Rainbows, Chromatically, Alakaslam, ExO_, Holyflare, 27ninjabunnies (0): roundabound (0): Not voting (8): ObiWanShinobi, ritoky, sinani206, Chairman Ray, strongandbig, ketomai, batsnacks, roundabound Currently ritoky is set to be lynched with 8 votes! Day will end in Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451311-tl-order-lxvi-thread-for-doing-of-the-voting If there is a tie, the first person to reach that number of votes is lynched. Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On June 17 2014 04:48 ritoky wrote: Well I promised reads, then I fell asleep. So here they are, as much as I can fit in before I have to go: Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, Marv Other town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this: To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority: And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this: Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened. This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest. No bueno people - Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive. - Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game. - Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like. Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny. This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will. Scum alert 101. Even if he rescended, and is VT this is a super bad play. Like wtf. Plus, I've been scum reading him since I've gotten into this game, and he claims a red on me?! He's never even mentioned in his filter at all that I was a scum read. And the fact he does this when CR is about to get lynched, makes me wonder if he is doing it to get off of a mafia member, more likely a pr. Ritoky, if you are town, that was the stupidest play ever. If you are mafia, well then gg, you just outed yourself. ##Vote: Ritoky | ||
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TicaTica
Costa Rica194 Posts
On June 19 2014 03:35 ritoky wrote: what questions? marv/JAT who should i vote on? MiF? This makes no sense. Two days earlier he was all in on Chrome, Ket, Sinani and CR. Does he not care about any of those reads? He doesn't bother pushing them whatsoever. Plus he had a mystically awful reason for a townread on me previously for me saying King wasn't a bad lynch but I wasn't going to vote for it but Marv was going to get his lynch regardless. That earlier stuff aside... On June 21 2014 05:21 ritoky wrote: how would you feel if i told you that there's an alive green and an alive red in this game right now and you're one of them? This is not a post of a player who's planning to red check Ninja bunnies and green check Chrome. You don't plan to ask your green check what they think of your redcheck. You ask the other way around and you ask your redcheck about other people. On top of that you don't claim a check prior to inquiring on people. Like if this is a planned "reaction check " from a townie, talking about that check fake or not completely invalidates any point in asking the people. Next, he wants to pit his "red check" against his "green check" and posts this. On June 21 2014 05:43 ritoky wrote: chrom 1st 27nb 2nd (sub with no posts or voting record) 3rd check died last night. If he's town and fake claiming, what does he think he plans to gain from this? Any townie goes "well I'm town so other guy is scum, cool?" If he hits GF, they still react that way because they 'know" it's fake (other person isn't mafia) or they bus their partner like any sane being and proceed on happy to be green checked. I can't think of any world where this plan actually works. The mafia in a town/mafia split starts pointing at the townie like any sane being and hopes that the cop is fake or that they have more sway/cred than him. Plus this plan is ridiculously convoluted and outlandish. I've seen enough crazy shit in my day, but this is too far out in left field. It's more likely that this is a scum we who is trying to think of a wacky town gambit more than actual town gambit. On top of this, look how ritoky responds to the pressure in thread. People want to know who the red check was. Marv's getting pissed about lynching town after a redcheck has happened and the cop didn't claim. On June 21 2014 05:48 ritoky wrote: because people have been setting up an easy low hanging fruit ML on me for days now, and every indication from you has been that our 1 protective role is a jailkeeper, not a straight doctor; i was in no threat of dying and wanted 1 more check. i also wanted you alive as long as possible, if i come out yesterday you die or i die. This response is clear. This is no longer a reaction test of Chrome or NB. He hasn't put pressure on either of them with this a AND he hasn't figured out who he thinks is the easier target to fake claim on. The point of what he's doing isn't get a reaction; or else he'd make sure chrome/NB is around. It becomes obvious that he has to pick a choice to redcheck or he gets lynched. He decided to go with NB. In general scum under pressure finger their partner more than they do town, because it's far far easier to sound good/right/towny/believable that way. I'm pretty sure that's the case here too. Ritoky has previously wholly ignored NB. NB has been pushing against ritoky but finding other people to land on. It's a really weird reaction. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
##vote: ritoky | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 21 2014 10:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: Hahaha, I'm laughing so hard right now. He claimed a green on his top scum lynch, and a red on me, who wasn't even MENTIONED in his reads?! Look in spoiler below. + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2014 04:48 ritoky wrote: Well I promised reads, then I fell asleep. So here they are, as much as I can fit in before I have to go: Top town circle: Koshi, JAT, Marv Other town peoples: ExO_, TicaTica, roundabound The tri-fecta or weird feelings: Holyflare, Tehpoofter, VayneAuthority - These three (Holyflare the least of the 3) are fence leaning scum for me based on a couple of things; the first being a very odd interaction in the game. Holyflare begins to make a list of mostly unproductive/inactive people that he wants to lynch, which isn't out of character for him. Although in cell mafia he was yelling at inactives and criticizing people a lot more for lack of reading comprehension, so there's something to be said for that. Anyways, Holyflare posts this: To which I point out, if he is making that list then why did he omit VayneAuthority: And to be fair, I could very easily believe that which is why I feel this interaction is the least weird for Holy, although he is far less critical than the last time when he was town in cell. However now we get to the strange part. VA comes back to the thread because there is a slight bit of discussion about him and posts this: Then doesn't address a single thing and just leaves again, which gave me very strange feelings about him; but it was really set off when this happened. This read is bullshit to me. 1st, I don't see where the hell VA tried at all today; and I also don't see the level of caring. This is a forced read with very little justification to me. And I had a meta read on you yesterday as being "wolfy"; and this read just made me begin to trust that read a little more. I wouldn't be surprised if banks and VA are wolves together in the slightest. No bueno people - Chairman Ray - His votes don't line up with his play. He said he had a case on roundabound and Haru, yet he didn't really push those cases at all. He doesn't really seem to be hunting scum, and I read a lot of his posts as very passive. - Sinani - Was active, then got criticized for his play and got called scum and as a result has responded with shallow posts and inactivity. Makes me believe he is trying to hide. At one point I forgot he was even in the game. - Ketomai - I read a lot of his posts as summarizing, recaping, and saying a lot of non-committal information. Seems be going out of his way to remain Switzerland-like. Kill him with fire: Chromatically - Tried that push to save his scum buddy, all of the stuff I listed earlier; he hasn't really done anything to redeem himself in my eyes at all. He shoulda died so long ago it's not even funny. This is all I can do for now, as I have to go to work. I wanted to give reasons for town reads, but alas no time. If I am alive after the flip I will. Scum alert 101. Even if he rescended, and is VT this is a super bad play. Like wtf. Plus, I've been scum reading him since I've gotten into this game, and he claims a red on me?! He's never even mentioned in his filter at all that I was a scum read. And the fact he does this when CR is about to get lynched, makes me wonder if he is doing it to get off of a mafia member, more likely a pr. Ritoky, if you are town, that was the stupidest play ever. If you are mafia, well then gg, you just outed yourself. ##Vote: Ritoky yup you're 100% mafia, should stuck through the fake claim just to get you lynched. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
i don't believe any of the stuff in your post really points to any reason why i am mafia though. bad play doesn't equal mafia. anywayz, like i said; when i flip VT, 27nb is like 100% mafia here. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
step 1) let's read mafia thread step 2) nothing really interesting is going on here...it's the same people pushing the same exact reads on the same lurkers; and they refuse to doubt eachother step 3) i am bored, maybe i should liven this game up step 4) well i am pretty sure bunnies is mafia, maybe i should fake claim a red on her step 5) hey look chrom is here, maybe i should use my going hard on him as an excuse to keep a green check alive step 6) come out as cop too hard before getting reactions step 7) cascade into flames step 8) rescind claim step 9) probably get lynched for bad play | ||
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ritoky
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TicaTica
Costa Rica194 Posts
On June 21 2014 10:34 ritoky wrote: also, ticatica. i agree with everything you said. you give a well thought through analysis of why the play was bad. i don't believe any of the stuff in your post really points to any reason why i am mafia though. bad play doesn't equal mafia. anywayz, like i said; when i flip VT, 27nb is like 100% mafia here. Ok let's say I want to believe you. What was your purpose in this gambit and where were you planning to go with it originally and as things developed as it was playing out? | ||
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TicaTica
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