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On June 14 2014 01:04 marvellosity wrote: only roundabound said that. If it's an "easy read" on Exo, that means Exo is town. Nothing you say is particularly logical. And your last paragraph. I guess you'll be useful on day 9 when there are 3 players left, but not before, amirite? Lol, I would accept that comment from you if it were 3-4 days in, but it's been 1 day and 1 voting cycle. Not everyone can find mafia after 1 day like you can. And by easy read I meant he thought people would ignore it and it'd be inconsequential. It could be he did not think who he found evidence for mattered as long as it was easy and it seemed like he contributed. | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:07 marvellosity wrote: but it's not easy to find evidence that a team-mate is town, because they are not town it's easy to find evidence a townie is town, because they are town that's kinda the point of it being easy you see That early on, almost anything can be spun in a way that looks town. No one actually has any evidence that early on so it's VERY easy to make any comment look town. If it were that hard mafia would never win because they would never act like town. Anyway, I think it's useless to speculate on that. It's only my opinion anyway, and I only gave it because you asked specifically. There's no way to tell what that comment says about Exo until at least another day of voting. | ||
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On June 14 2014 01:15 marvellosity wrote: Actually it means Exo is quite likely to be town. Also batsnacks is very likely to be town based on only KotC's filter. That's the two useful associations from that flip and filter. Like I said before, mafia almost never throw out an "easy" solid townread on a scumbuddy as their opening read. Even less likely that someone who is bad at scum would do so. It's dangerous to assume things are that simple based on one flip. Based on that flip you're also VERY likely to be town, but 100% confirmation takes more information and more gameplay because things are not always that simple. | ||
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On June 14 2014 03:00 mattisfoolish wrote: Mz being vigi would explain his difference in play Matt Don't have time to look into it but isn't this strange? Blues don't typically want to stand out. Generally they want to be indistinguishable to green townies. Even if you're town and you think he's a vigi, why would you attempt to identify him for the mafia? If you really thought he was a vigi, it'd actually be best to leave him be because he's useful to the mafia at the moment. The comment was totally unnecessary. If you're mafia, this could easily be a way to defend a fellow mafia by looking like you're doing work for the town and contributing when all you're doing is helping confuse people further. Let MZ defend himself. | ||
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1st post: Why is it not logical to closely observe cases that seem to have the most steam? When you're short on time you can't reinvent the wheel and observe every case from the ground up. You also misconstrue my intent. I observe the cases not because I trust them but because I'm actually forming my own opinion about the case. The difference here is that I'm choosing which ones that were debated and have work done on them already so I can contribute my thoughts to those cases rather than try to start over with a case that I can not keep pushing due to time constraints. 2nd post: He doesn't just not want to vote, he ignores someone asking him about the case, which was the steaming bandwagon. Also, you need to read again, I did mention myself and Koshi. I considered both myself AND Koshi as easy cases that everyone was jumping on. And you're point about him wanting to lynch Koshi. Look how strongly he actually wants to lynch Koshi. He really doesn't try to explain anything or change any opinions after his first post (which after that point, the bandwagon for it is long gone). It would not be suspicious if he continued fighting for a Koshi lynch but he just leaves his vote on there with no explanation or discussion despite being present as MULTIPLE bandwagons passed it. 3rd post: Was an observation to supplement the earlier post. Finding mafia isn't just one big clue, it's an accumulations of facts that don't independently prove anything. 4th post: My "self-flagellation" is actually an attempt to get town to properly assess my case. Yes, I do that on purpose because I didn't want to continue wasting votes and helping mafia by being constantly accusable with no evidence. Finally, someone has actually tried to come at me; that's good. You're just mincing words with the "potential misdirection part". It's potential misdirection because when my baseless status as a mafia suspect actually garners votes/vigi hits, it becomes actual misdirection that hurts the town in a direct way. I have no way of knowing if mafia are using me as an easy accusation for towncred; that's also misdirection, but I have no way of knowing. 5th post about the voting: I did make a case for snb, first content post. He was my 2nd lynch after ritoki and since I saw the case for snb building up and I wouldn't be back in time to vote or participate in further developments, I left my vote on snb. I stated that long before KoC happened. SnB looks more town to me after that lynch and Exo/Sinani looked more mafia after the lynch. How is it hard to understand that circumstances change. On the first day there's no evidence to go by so you have to look at more abstract and unverifiable evidence. The original case on SnB actually wasn't that strong either (I'd say it was as strong as Marv's KoC case, actually), but it was the 2nd strongest that I could come up with on my first content post. | ||
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Why would I accuse them of not addressing KoC when I myself didn't even do it? Because I wasn't even there, and they were. You are tunnel visioning me and not looking at the circumstances surrounding the posts. Exo and Sinani were post lynch, the first post with snb was initial thoughts before any results were there. The first post you quoted was the source of everyone jumping on me. It was a post that I made before even playing the game. I'm not even going to respond to that because I've explained it almost immediately after it got called out the first time. | ||
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On June 12 2014 12:38 ketomai wrote: Actually, since I won't be back in time for the end of the mafia day tomorrow and won't have a chance to change my vote, I'll change it to strongandbig, so it doesn't have a high chance of being a useless vote. I guess if strongandbig actually arrives to defend himself, it better be dazzling because my vote can't change. None of my cases were strong and neither was anyone else's including the case on KoC. I drop SnB post-lynch because he's less likely to be mafia and the case against him wasn't that strong to begin with. Notice that I had maybe a 3 hour window 24 hours after the start of the game to make my vote for the first game day. That's 24 hours of information, you are reading too hard into nothing. | ||
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On June 14 2014 09:15 roundabound wrote: Sltop lying ketomai If I was on comp I would quote. .in that first day post about ppl being voted. .u named 3 people as possible scum. Koshi and snb have "slight" modifiers. .ritoky Is clearly the strongest read portrayed at that window of time. Scum scum scum ~moc Right, and I did vote for ritoky, before changing because I would not be around to push that bandwagon. I thought SnB was almost an equally good vote which actually had other people looking into it. | ||
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Haru/Rainbow: Can't tell because they're both only attacking each other but it seems so forced that I can't help but suspect one or both are mafia. Having a feud like this gives an easy way to stash your vote so that it doesn't matter. There's other evidence that makes me believe either one of them could be mafia, but not strong enough yet. round: can't tell if bad or trying to stir up trouble as mafia. Could also be an easy way to stash the vote, as I've theorized in the past about me being easy misdirection. marv: more town than before, to address my previous concerns. My theory would've been that there's mafia somewhere between jat, obiwan, and palmar that helped him start the wagon to bus KoC. It's still a possibility that votes 3/4 were mafia, but assuming marv is mafia, Palmar seemed like such a likely mafia case because he sheeped him so automatically early that it was easy to sheep him whenever without suspicion. I would have thought Palmar would have been mafia because he'd need the obvious sheep help on pushing a KoC case from literally nowhere. sinani: Still believe he's mafia. Has not contributed at all except pops up immediately when someone defends him. Still has not done anything but defend himself and vote the easy vote on me. Doesn't provide content because he's happy with round's shitty and unreadable post. I can't believe anyone in their right mind would use that post. I'm all for a MIF lynch. His flip will reveal a good deal about sandroba anyway, so it's nice. Also if he flips mafia, jat and marv are pretty much 100% town for me. I want a sinani lynch but it's too late to get more information out of him in time so I suppose we can save that later. | ||
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My theory is just to caution the possibility. It was just a possibility that I wanted to warn the town about but obviously if you net 2 mafia kills, it's very unlikely. My reason for the theory is that KoC's lynch was too easy and the bandwagon started too fast off of Palmar, you and Obi. It came out of nowhere and wasn't all that strong. Yes, it's unlikely that 1KP was sacrificed that early, but it's not impossible. A strategy from mafia like this could be devastating if executed correctly, proven by how nobody but myself found it weird at all. | ||
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2) Because I actually have a case on sinani and have made cases on other people. I am by no means tunneling him like he is tunneling me. I'm not even voting for him for an "easy" vote. 3) Nothing strong. Haru's case is stronger (see day 1 vote, see start of altercation) | ||
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On June 15 2014 23:25 roundabound wrote: I can't shake this feeling. All your responses read to me like a guy that is prepared for an interview. All the token stuff I want hear. It perturbs me. I do agree between about hsaru though. Can I have your current assessment of koshi pls. ~moc And your accusations read like garbage (and it's not just me). I don't really care what you think because you don't even have a legit case because you're misreading (literally) almost everything. This is the last question I answer from you: I have not looked into Koshi. I also can't tell because people have said he's had a history of being stupid. His day 1 votes look town. His day 2 vote looks a little strange since he defended kush before and he's also made a play to swing the bandwagon momentum in a huge way for a shitty reason. I pretty much started ignoring him after his first content post. | ||
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