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StrongandBig's posts thus far have been atrocious. Some summary, calls people stupid, and gives a very badly formed read on myself based on a bunch of unexplained "indications" that mean nothing.
I indicate SnB is mafia. Lynch with fire.
##Unvote: Koshi
##Vote: StrongandBig
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I also have no idea why Tica thinks I'm probably town.
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I have no quarrels with Chrom's targets, would also not be angry if we lynched JAT. On a fairly 'meh' level in terms of reads... I am eager for dem flips.
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On June 12 2014 09:23 Erandorr wrote:
I forgot about this game. Hello friends
Hello Scum. It's pretty obvious that you're mafia, your team already gave up because super town heroes completely destroyed them.
GGWP plz concede.
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Also lynch into SnB / Koshi / CR / Keto.
Can't really disagree with anything in Tehpoofters case, esp. cus keto got all butthurt because of Mocsta's 'inconsequential' thing and peaced out. Nothing wrong with any of these lynches imo.
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On June 12 2014 09:41 Chromatically wrote:
I think ketomai totally depends on what he posts next. The thing that happened in thread could have easily been a townie startled by people jumping on him before he starts playing. I agree that it's weird that he feels like he has to vote between round and Exo, but it's not really scummy..? He could have easily left his vote on himself and that would draw less attention.
What he posts next is the important part.
This seems to be a theme this game. "What he posts next is important". Happened with Koshi, happening right here. This better stop by day 2.
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Marv I agree with kings superficialness, especially in regards to that "im catching up, better filter dive" post. Problem is that the case seems to be a standard "is he just bad, or mafia" scenario. not a terrible lynch not a fantastic one either. lot lynches like that though it seems.
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I could have lynched probably 10 different people and not cared between them. Day 1 never sure of anything cus no flips, just glad we lynched into one of those 10 + hitting mafia. RIP marv tonight triple stacked or something.
Scumreads changed little cus of the flip. SnB looks a bit better but could still maf. Tehpoofter is town so is round. anyone says they arent are wrong.
So much phoneposting need computer.
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also chromatically batsnacks and tica are town.
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Koshi looks better too. Still like CR and Keto for scum. Interesting cats had a townread on exo dunno what to make of it.
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Last post in a row promise. Dont understand what exo has done this game besides talk a lot of blue stuff amd mechanics amd throw down a few easy votes on cr and kush. dont like esp cus cats townread him for no reason.
Rather lynch a pseudo active scummy than an inactive, more info from flip. Thats how i like to play so vig inactives and lynch the scummers. OK with a lynch on like 5-6 guys tomorrow. Tomorrow post fr computer. much better
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So I haven't read really anything that happened during the night. Only guy I'm surprised didn't die is Marv, but I'll assume that mafia are medic dodging.
But here is scum. I noticed after he voted me so I wanted to figure out why. Haru is mafia
This post here:On June 11 2014 21:11 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 20:46 yamato77 wrote:I'll quote Ver's analysis RE: VA -I don’t think I’ve verbalized my intuition fully on Vayne so here goes: Terrible filter, fits mafia profile (deduced from atmosphere/limited interference in lynches) exactly. Ever present but barely playing. Constantly complains about the thread quality but spends all of his time talking about blue roles and irrelevant nonsense, which is a massive incongruency. Caller’s point quoted above is also very good.
And what has he done so far this game? On June 11 2014 07:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
alrighty well the thread is already too long so I just skipped it, I assume its mostly early game spam. I'll start reading from this point on.
On June 11 2014 09:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
this game is giving me a migraine ill let you know when i start reading it again While I agree with the sentiment expressed, it's still the same sort of hypocritical nonsense that Ver so accurately pointed out. VA as mafia loves to complain and argue about pointless shit. VA as town would have just posted what he thought about someone/something, right or wrong, and been done with it. Of course, it's only two posts, but it's a solid lead. ##Vote: VayneAuthorityI'll be looking at Koshi and Chairman more in depth soon. I think they are town, but there is sentiment expressed that this is not the case, and I wish to solve the matter. Uh.... you seemed to miss the point. Ver used BOTH points as a combination of factors. Even if VA is about to turn into a blue post craping whore, the truth is he haven't. You either jumped the gun too early, or you are trying to shoot him before he turned, which leads into 2 outcomes : 1) He WILL turn 2)You are just trying to shoot for the heck of it. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 20:52 yamato77 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:46 Holyflare wrote:The pressure votes, overwhelming. + Show Spoiler + Oh yeah, by the way, this is exactly what mafia Holyflare does. He afks for most of the early game, and then comes in later with all his tryhard worked up. See Survivor for a perfect example. I theorize that he does this as mafia because he finds it difficult to post early on as mafia (which is a tricky thing to do convincingly), so he just skips it, takes the heat for being afk, and then makes up for it with his ability to post long posts full of reasonable-sounding things later on. He could be legitimately busy, but his posts show he's obviously reading the thread, just not actively participating. Regardless of the manner of his return, he is definitely up there in terms of mafia candidates for this sort of play, simply given his history with this exact pattern. Uh... stop? Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 20:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:49 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 20:46 yamato77 wrote:I'll quote Ver's analysis RE: VA -I don’t think I’ve verbalized my intuition fully on Vayne so here goes: Terrible filter, fits mafia profile (deduced from atmosphere/limited interference in lynches) exactly. Ever present but barely playing. Constantly complains about the thread quality but spends all of his time talking about blue roles and irrelevant nonsense, which is a massive incongruency. Caller’s point quoted above is also very good.
And what has he done so far this game? On June 11 2014 07:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
alrighty well the thread is already too long so I just skipped it, I assume its mostly early game spam. I'll start reading from this point on.
On June 11 2014 09:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
this game is giving me a migraine ill let you know when i start reading it again While I agree with the sentiment expressed, it's still the same sort of hypocritical nonsense that Ver so accurately pointed out. VA as mafia loves to complain and argue about pointless shit. VA as town would have just posted what he thought about someone/something, right or wrong, and been done with it. Of course, it's only two posts, but it's a solid lead. ##Vote: VayneAuthorityI'll be looking at Koshi and Chairman more in depth soon. I think they are town, but there is sentiment expressed that this is not the case, and I wish to solve the matter. you're completely missing the 2nd half of Ver's analysis, i.e. spending all his time talking about roles and other shit, which is the massive incongruency, and the incongruency is why he was mafia. That incongruency doesn't exist here because he's not doing anything else either. So using Ver to back up your read is pretty dodgerific I really have no interest in your opinion. Stop. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 20:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:53 Holyflare wrote:I have law exams that end tomorrow yamato  That doesn't mean you aren't mafia anyway. I really mean it, stop. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 20:56 yamato77 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:53 marvellosity wrote:
then you're still fucking terrible. There still exists an incongruity. Vayne is complaining about the quality of the game yet is actually making it worse with the way he posts. Vayne's towngame does not consist of complaint posts. He doesn't care about the state of the thread when he's town. He just plays the game. I'll quote Ver's analysis RE: VA Show nested quote +-I don’t think I’ve verbalized my intuition fully on Vayne so here goes: Terrible filter, fits mafia profile (deduced from atmosphere/limited interference in lynches) exactly. Ever present but barely playing. Constantly complains about the thread quality but spends all of his time talking about blue roles and irrelevant nonsense, which is a massive incongruency. Caller’s point quoted above is also very good.
MASSIVE INCONGRUENCY. Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:04 yamato77 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:59 Holyflare wrote:On June 11 2014 20:56 yamato77 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:55 Holyflare wrote:On June 11 2014 20:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:53 Holyflare wrote:I have law exams that end tomorrow yamato That doesn't mean you aren't mafia anyway. Silly sausage! If i don't post it's because i have a reason  We'll see. Well no because now if i return with try hard you will say "see! Classic mafia". If i don't you'll say "he doesn't care, classic mafia!" If you're going to use meta don't use unequivocally wrong ones. Or you can just be mafia and continue with it. If you don't have time to play, then why are you arguing with me about your alignment right now? I don't have to believe your reasons for your inactivity. And no, my analysis of your play so far involves no catch-22, because your being afk as mafia happens exclusively in the early game. Later in the game, you obviously play legitimately. You might be afk early on as town and then come back and play legitimately. But noting the pattern is important because it's a 30 player game, so I need to narrow my focus down to a small enough range of people to where I really don't have to analyze every post. ... I'M WATCHING YOU YAMATO.
is scummy to high heavens. Does he do an analysis of yamato based on his play? No. Is he discerning his alignment? Doesn't appear to. All he says is 'stop that' and that he's watching Yamato. What is the purpose of this post from a townie perspective? The only thing I could think of is pressure--but it harasses a player without any insight of what side he is playing for. Haru isn't trying to convince anyone that Yamato is mafia, so there is no town purpose to this post.
After these jabs at Yamato, he votes for CR here:
On June 11 2014 18:42 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 18:36 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2014 12:51 Rainbows wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 09:20 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 11 2014 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I voted Tica because I dislike him more. More words does not equal bigger scumread.
I still think my post was pretty good. Reason:
I think my towns are town.
My questionables good pressures points.
I will continue my quest tomorrow.
His recent posts backing up your wolf lean on him? How do you feel about Marv/Sandroba/JaT not liking your post at all? You think thats alignment indicative for any of them? Also You're doing a poor job of try harding if you make one post a day. Please don't go Cephiro mode on me. If Koshi is heading out for the night, I'm just gonna chime in now. Koshi's big analysis post reads pretty scummy to me. His mafia reads seem pretty sincere and thought out, but his town reads are very short. Whether or not he believes them himself is not evident, but it doesn't convey much to the reader. My initial thinking is that his townreads serve to 'bulk' up his post. I've seen a lot of mafia in previous games iterate through people and give a quick impression of them without a well thought out read on them. This gives the impression that they are active and their posts are longer without actually having to do a lot of investigation. What strikes me odd was his next post: Koshi posted this in response to the people that were dismissive of his reads. This is a very important distinction because people react differently when they are opposed by analysis and when they are opposed by a one liner. In this case, most people just posted a quick one liner dismissing him. From Koshi's perspective, if he just gave out a few quick impressions without a lot of thought, he wouldn't have any sort of attachment or loyalty to his post. His response to the critics would be something like "Those were just my gut feelings at the moment, they may change by the end of the day". Instead, he dismissed the critics with a one liner post containing no new information by posting "No sorry my towns are town". It may be hard to read into on forum mafia, but to me he sounds a bit frustrated and doesn't feel his critics doesn't deserve any more than a one liner. If this is the case, then Koshi has some genuine belief of his townreads, and regardless of the quality of his reads or how he conveyed them, this seems more town to me.tl;dr I disagree with Koshi's townreads, even though I am among them; I disagree with Sandroba that Koshi is mafia. I don't get CR's goal with his postings. he comes to no conclusion, just that some post made koshi scummy but his next post made him more town. So is he mafia or town for CR at this point? I care not that CR is posting intelligently (this is a good thing!!!), but there's a bunch of text with seemingly no bite involved atm yes, i agree with this i think. I read through 30+ pages of 'stuff' and the huge post by koshi and the reads off koshi's posts were striking to me.
CR seems like trying to earn some towncred by pointing out koshi first, so that in the future he can use this as a reference to how towny he is.Town totem: Chrom, batsnacks. Everyone else is hard to read. They make towny posts, then destroy their own image by making themselves look scummy.
On June 12 2014 05:29 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:19 gumshoe wrote:On June 12 2014 05:08 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe, I couldn't help but notice that your post is lacking a read on Koshi. Care to indulge me? I liked your push onto him, but I'm not a fan of how quickly the wagon picked up speed. That and alota people I don't like have been taking sucker punches at Koshi throughout the game ( namely chairman). As for the contradiction, it looks bad, but as someone who contradicts himself constantly I can totally see it coming out of town Koshi. Lastly, saying your gonna play awesome then not posting for ages is sorta asking to get lynched, scum Koshi is more careful that that / : I could be wrong( not a foreign state for me ) but at the moment I much rather lynch chair and I'd like to see what Koshi contributes while not under threat of lynch. I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it.
All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh.
My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch. ##Vote:Chairman Ray
My problem arises with the bolded. Just read it over, slowly. Does it make any sense whatsoever? Apparently, it seemed as if CR is attacking Koshi in order to gain towncred LATER in the game? I don't think this analysis makes any sense whatsoever. What townie in this game came to that same conclusion, please tell me. I didn't. "Oh, CR must be attacing Koshi first so he can use it as towncred later" WHAT? CR was scummy, but not for this reason at all. The reference to his Koshi vote as a 'placeholder' is additionally acts as a buffer for scrutiny. *assume koshi flips town at some point* "Why were you voting Koshi D1?" "Oh it was just a placeholder no worries!"
On June 12 2014 18:00 HaruRH wrote:I thought I said the vote on CR from me was a placeholder? SnB have some weird posts, will link them here in one sec, Filter dived him today.
So now CR is a placeholder vote? Scummy as balls.
Then he provides shoddy reasoning for calling snb scum.
On June 12 2014 18:05 HaruRH wrote:After diving SnB, I realised the pool is so shallow theres no need to bring a snorkel. So here's why SnB makes me wanna lynch the scum out of him: Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 23:41 strongandbig wrote:
Finished reading through page 48 on phone
Have to go to work
Some notes to calm thy tits, thread:
Townish:
- chromatically
Scummish:
- palmar not trying on day 1
- koshi for pretty random townreads and listpost
- rainbows bad reasoning for scum read on koshi. Tries to make something shitty up, indicates he's not comfortable just agreeing with good reasoning already posted - indicates selfconscious mafia.
Good args:
- chromatically on why sinani is scum
- mz on why round is scum
- koshi on why tica is scum
- (sort of good) round on why ketomi is scum Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 04:55 strongandbig wrote:
Blergh caught up with the thread and lunch is over
[complain about spam, maybe if I do it more it's likely to work]
Anyway, I would kill koshi right now. Don't have anything new to add, I like chromatic ally's case
Also would still kill rainbows soo... He thinks koshi makes good arguments, then want to lynch koshi. Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 04:17 strongandbig wrote:On June 11 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 13:26 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote:
Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said. Sorry, I'll try to keep it brief from now on. You can just read the "Overall" statement at the end Look I like everything you said I think it's great. I read the whole thing. You got an A+ on your homework for sure. I really, really, really hate that you commented on everything I said in the order I said it in both posts though. If you are mafia which I think you probably are, that's the only thing you should have changed to make it better. This is stupid. There's nothing wrong with an in-depth post by post analysis and the fact that newer players don't know this is just a sign of how spammy and annoying the meta has gotten . Then he shitposts.
It's interesting that Haru calls my reasons for voting SnB terrible, but in the same breath can post something like the above with almost no analysis whatsoever. It reaks of keeping doors open.
WARNING, SCUMMIEST POST IN THREAD INCOMING:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2014 21:18 HaruRH wrote:Heck, I'll even help you make a huge post on why we should all lynch Haru. Firstly, this haru guy don't even Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:29 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:19 gumshoe wrote:On June 12 2014 05:08 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe, I couldn't help but notice that your post is lacking a read on Koshi. Care to indulge me? I liked your push onto him, but I'm not a fan of how quickly the wagon picked up speed. That and alota people I don't like have been taking sucker punches at Koshi throughout the game ( namely chairman). As for the contradiction, it looks bad, but as someone who contradicts himself constantly I can totally see it coming out of town Koshi. Lastly, saying your gonna play awesome then not posting for ages is sorta asking to get lynched, scum Koshi is more careful that that / : I could be wrong( not a foreign state for me ) but at the moment I much rather lynch chair and I'd like to see what Koshi contributes while not under threat of lynch. I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it. All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh. My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch. ##Vote:Chairman Ray contribute Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:43 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:40 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2014 05:29 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 05:19 gumshoe wrote:On June 12 2014 05:08 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe, I couldn't help but notice that your post is lacking a read on Koshi. Care to indulge me? I liked your push onto him, but I'm not a fan of how quickly the wagon picked up speed. That and alota people I don't like have been taking sucker punches at Koshi throughout the game ( namely chairman). As for the contradiction, it looks bad, but as someone who contradicts himself constantly I can totally see it coming out of town Koshi. Lastly, saying your gonna play awesome then not posting for ages is sorta asking to get lynched, scum Koshi is more careful that that / : I could be wrong( not a foreign state for me ) but at the moment I much rather lynch chair and I'd like to see what Koshi contributes while not under threat of lynch. I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it. All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh. My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch. ##Vote:Chairman Ray CR defended me from the get-go. The posts he made around me were also extremely thought out. If you are referring to him saying my post looked scummy than that is because he actually thought it looked scummy. But after that he gave reasons to why he thinks I am town. If I remember correctly from a previous game CR is capable to make big thought out post as scum, but he is more disconnected with the thread while doing so, he just pops in with huge ass posts. In this game he is having good thought out opinions in the moment. I wouldn't lynch him. Those other 2 names in your post, Rainbows and TicaTica, those are the people that are interesting. Meta argument is something I cannot push upon since I don't know much about anyone yet. So I'll just assume that koshi is correct about CR's play. I'll stay with this vote until someone more scummy pops out. At Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 18:05 HaruRH wrote:After diving SnB, I realised the pool is so shallow theres no need to bring a snorkel. So here's why SnB makes me wanna lynch the scum out of him: On June 11 2014 23:41 strongandbig wrote:
Finished reading through page 48 on phone
Have to go to work
Some notes to calm thy tits, thread:
Townish:
- chromatically
Scummish:
- palmar not trying on day 1
- koshi for pretty random townreads and listpost
- rainbows bad reasoning for scum read on koshi. Tries to make something shitty up, indicates he's not comfortable just agreeing with good reasoning already posted - indicates selfconscious mafia.
Good args:
- chromatically on why sinani is scum
- mz on why round is scum
- koshi on why tica is scum
- (sort of good) round on why ketomi is scum On June 12 2014 04:55 strongandbig wrote:
Blergh caught up with the thread and lunch is over
[complain about spam, maybe if I do it more it's likely to work]
Anyway, I would kill koshi right now. Don't have anything new to add, I like chromatic ally's case
Also would still kill rainbows soo... He thinks koshi makes good arguments, then want to lynch koshi. On June 12 2014 04:17 strongandbig wrote:On June 11 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 13:26 Chairman Ray wrote:On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote:
Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said. Sorry, I'll try to keep it brief from now on. You can just read the "Overall" statement at the end Look I like everything you said I think it's great. I read the whole thing. You got an A+ on your homework for sure. I really, really, really hate that you commented on everything I said in the order I said it in both posts though. If you are mafia which I think you probably are, that's the only thing you should have changed to make it better. This is stupid. There's nothing wrong with an in-depth post by post analysis and the fact that newer players don't know this is just a sign of how spammy and annoying the meta has gotten . Then he shitposts. ALL. Then, this haru guy dont even defend himself Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 20:43 HaruRH wrote:On June 12 2014 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
by and large Haru was very earnest and straightforward in Detention (as well as kinda fun at the start), whereas i'm not really seeing any of that here. So you're meta-ing me based on 1 game? Lol thats the reason why I'm changing now, to avoid further meta reads. Not going to streamline my play into 1 category lol Thus I deduce this haru guy is scum 100%. ##Vote: HaruRH
Oh my God. How did nobody look at the before, what in God's name is this terrible post. Haru posted this when somebody said they wanted to lynch him D1 for not contributing (or something). This is his response. Haru literally just quotes posts he made and says "I contribute a lot". This is actually fine, but examine for a moment the way he goes about it. The post is completely sarcastic and not serious. Imagine Haru is town and is under pressure for not contributing. I don't think the response is the same. Mafia Haru is nervous, doesn't want his self-defense to be overly defending himself because that's what mafia do--hard defend themselves against small allegations. Instead, he chooses to guise his post in sarcasm in order to alleviate tension. This post screams mafia insecurity.
Haru is Mafia for the following reasons:
- Blatant insecurity about his image, using sarcasm in order to deflect pressure off of himself. Calling his votes placeholders do he does not have to commit.
- Ignoring the KotC case completely. Town would probably weigh in, but scum are afraid to be wishy-washy about the issue concerning their scum partner. Scum do not want to vote their guy, OR appear to not want to vote him. Avoidance is the best way to do this.
- Keeping multiple avenues open during D1 for lynches. Town do this, so do I, I didn't care if we lynched like 10 different people. But Haru posts very thin or nonsensical reasons for his 'suspects' (CR gaining towncred later with koshi pressure lolwut). Town would just be like "ok ill lynch this guy because lurk / because shitpost / because giant douche". The way Haru tries to rationalize the CR vote makes little sense to me. ALL of his votes have been either "not serious" (Koshi, himself) or really bad reasoning (CR), or epic sheepmode on Ritosky.
- OMGUS Voting myself, an easy town mislynch, by going hard after the wishy-washy post I made about KotC OMGUS.
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More discussion about Haru please. If someone disagrees that he looks insecure or his reasoning for voting CR is the scummiest thing in the thread please discuss.
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I don't like the whole self-deprecation thing. But I can see how Keto dropped SnB because I did the same thing after lynch (snb Still could be mafia but less likely after the shenanigans of yesterlynch).
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On June 14 2014 09:12 roundabound wrote:
Rainbow
I read the haru case.
I like the second half more than the first.
Second is quite damming to me actually.
Regarding first half, it's slightly town to me.
As town, if he thinks koshi is scum. He's paying attention to the guys wielding koshi pitchforks and comments cr may be disingenuine. That's an astute observation for mafia to throw out in my experience. Typically mafia would be happy to have a read on player x. And are too lazy to note publiclly further interactions.
If scum, and koshi is town. This observation holds no weight if koshi flips.
Overall, I think the second half is more damming than my points for in the first half.
I'm happy with dither ketonai or haru
~moc
I disagree. Haru points out that CR is attempting to build towncred later by attacking koshi now. this means that CR and Koshi would both have to be mafia, because CR would no way get towncred if he pushes a town koshi early in the game--just the opposite.
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Oh man reading cats filter the defending of Haru so juicy, the confirmation bias is stewing
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Moc are you sure this Keto thing isn't a confirmation bias of the 'inconsequential' post you pointed out when the discussion was happening? I want to believe he is scum scummy mcscummerton but I can't see it exactly as you do. I see slight scum read but not flailing levels of mafia that exceed that of Haru.
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On June 14 2014 09:31 roundabound wrote:Rainbows. U just reiterated what I wrote abd implied Yes, scum want to have multiple leads. E.g. koshi and cr BUT Cr I don't believe was a scum read for anyone at that point in time. Seems a far fetch, to throw out randomly is all I'm saying. If cr was a scum read already, which I can't easily check right now, then you are pprobably right and it was an opportune swing.
Feel like helping to confirm if haru was the first on cr? ~moc
CR was a popular scumread.
On June 12 2014 05:29 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 05:19 gumshoe wrote:On June 12 2014 05:08 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe, I couldn't help but notice that your post is lacking a read on Koshi. Care to indulge me? I liked your push onto him, but I'm not a fan of how quickly the wagon picked up speed. That and alota people I don't like have been taking sucker punches at Koshi throughout the game ( namely chairman). As for the contradiction, it looks bad, but as someone who contradicts himself constantly I can totally see it coming out of town Koshi. Lastly, saying your gonna play awesome then not posting for ages is sorta asking to get lynched, scum Koshi is more careful that that / : I could be wrong( not a foreign state for me ) but at the moment I much rather lynch chair and I'd like to see what Koshi contributes while not under threat of lynch. I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it. All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh. My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch. ##Vote:Chairman Ray
On June 12 2014 04:58 gumshoe wrote:Hey, just caught up in a blitz. Here are my notes / : + Show Spoiler +Chanman = town for brave gallows houmer
Palmer= neutral claim, fits? Maybs kill? Him bieng grey would explain his ambivilance, but if he was actually third party would he be so cavalier about it?
Chrom= Town for yolo push onto Koshi, posts do seem well thought out too.
Tehpoofter= redish for wanting spam?
Round= talking alot, not sure scum can play so fluid. Robik is known to be pretty emotional so the whole peronsal defence thing is in character.
bats= Aggresive. Dont like how everything reafirms his own bias, but his activity is helpful to town as a whole so townie?
Jat= Dont like how he tries t interject in the bat round fight. Will read more into him
Sinani- Unspoken tryst with round? Attacks other not quite as active players? Scumish?
Ritoky = town for brazen freedom mongering
Marv= null, biding his time one way or another. Dont like the whole “your bad and you should feel bad.” attitude he has regarding accusations.
Tica Tica= not sure why hes calling back to plam? Feels townie cause hes clearing names and picking out odd targets. Doesnt feel like he has an agenda?
Tefpoof= odd koshi attack? Dont like how he wanted to catch Marv for the sake of catching marv, feels like seeding?
Meapak= Null? Wierdness obscures actual motives? Reads Marv as scum, will need to see more of him
Vayne= Skips a bunch of pages? Not sure scum would feel safe enough to do that? Belies a sense of isolation or potentially scummy laziness. Hard to say.
Kush= null
Chairman= Dont like how he basically says he doesnt like a whole post, then proceeds to break it apart bit by bit. Yet doesnt make an accusation out of it? Feels like hes trying to get other townies to jump, as if “take your pick folks! I cant eat another bite / :” scummy, will elaborate on him.
Exo= Scared to rush out opinions? Scumish
Bill murray= Insane
Yamato is fearless= town
Rainbows= Like his whole “these guys are on the same page as me, and have the same process, I'm town ergo so are they!” Not necessarily right but reads as a townie mentality. Dont like this post by Chairman Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:52 Chairman Ray wrote:batsnacks, I do not fully understand your post, and was hoping you could clarify a few thing for me: On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:
Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself. Do you have specific posts? I feel you are speaking too metaphorically and I don't actually see what you mean in his filter. Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia. I'm not sure how to respond to this. What does "too impressive" mean? tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them. tehpoofer made a ton of posts today and you have summarized a few of them. Can you explain why these posts you have selected are alignment indicative, and what you think about all his other posts? vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS Palmer has skipped the game thus far because of dota. Why is he not on your FOS? sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first Why is this town indicative? Why doesn't Bill Murray get town cred from calling out roundabout's sheeping the wrong player? exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS Why is this suspicious behavior? Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS Exo has made posts that are not just asking for terminology. Why did you discount these posts? TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read. Why did you give TicaTica a null read with no real explanation, and not included any of the other people who have posted in this thread? What I get from it is that he basically didnt like Bats whole post, but doesn't immediately jump on him for it? The way he so cleanly spread out his greivances, it feels like hes trying to offer everyone something to pounce on, but doesnt peronally leap on any of it himself. When the opposite happens, and people jump on him for the shoddy post, he comes out swinging, but drops the read after just a couple hours when no one really agrees with him / : Notably Bat was an enemy of Rounds, as was Chair man. Did he bilieve they were scum together? Cause he never took back his read on round. Honestly it seems as if the heat on Round died down a bit and he came after Bat because thats the conflict he was most familiar with ( when your maf you tend to focus more on the events that directly concern you and as a result your accusations lean that way because those are the matters your best versed in.) Yeah not a fan of the Chair....Man
On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:
Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia.
On June 11 2014 12:14 Rainbows wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2014 11:52 Chairman Ray wrote:batsnacks, I do not fully understand your post, and was hoping you could clarify a few thing for me: Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:
Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself. Do you have specific posts? I feel you are speaking too metaphorically and I don't actually see what you mean in his filter. Show nested quote +Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia. I'm not sure how to respond to this. What does "too impressive" mean? Show nested quote +tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them. tehpoofer made a ton of posts today and you have summarized a few of them. Can you explain why these posts you have selected are alignment indicative, and what you think about all his other posts? Palmer has skipped the game thus far because of dota. Why is he not on your FOS? Why is this town indicative? Why doesn't Bill Murray get town cred from calling out roundabout's sheeping the wrong player? Why is this suspicious behavior? Show nested quote +Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS Exo has made posts that are not just asking for terminology. Why did you discount these posts? Why did you give TicaTica a null read with no real explanation, and not included any of the other people who have posted in this thread? I don't understand what this post is trying to achieve by CR. He claims to "not fully understand" this post, but asks questions about people not even referenced by bat, (IE Why not FoS Palmar? Why not include other people?) even asks why the null read at this stage in the game. What is the goal? I'm having a difficult time understanding Chair's motivations so far.
On June 11 2014 12:49 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 12:45 Rainbows wrote:On June 11 2014 12:40 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 12:37 Rainbows wrote:On June 11 2014 12:34 batsnacks wrote:On June 11 2014 12:23 Rainbows wrote:On June 11 2014 12:17 TicaTica wrote:
Is Rainbows around still? If he be, then peeky at batsnacks. His read post looks being rather off. Four Fifth of his null read are "easy pickings" read. His four wolfy reads are dastardly off base being my opinion (exception perhaps Chairman Ray). Only one of wolfy reads is even developed which being tehpoofter and the mindset is quite hmmmm unique. His reads look very fishing to me. What is your take? I agree that the nulls were probably not even needed to be mentioned. The scum reads we OK, I don't agree with them all. Kind of sparse but it's the early game. I saw the post initially and it didn't strike me as super odd at the time. What do you mean his mindset is unique? He's saying he saw a pattern in tehpoofter and he's looking likes he is helping. It's not a terrible analysis, just not fantastic. So Rainbows... On June 11 2014 12:15 Rainbows wrote:
batsnacks how do you feel about CR so far? Since his post was directed at you. Did you ever get your answer? You generally answered "Your posts are too intelligent and thorough", which means he is mafia. I meant specifically what do you think CR's goal (assuming, he is town) this game, because the post where he asks you a bunch of questions seems to be irrelevant. If CR is town I assume his goal is to lynch mafia? I'm not trying to argue or disagree or whatever, but help me understand, why were his questions irrelevant? If CR is town, he is trying to figure out your intentions with your reads post. To see if YOU are mafia. If this is the case, why does he ask "Why not Palmar?" or "Why tica = null". He asks a question about every one of your reads. Feels like homework. Not all of the questions were bad, just some like "why is this scummy" when that should have been self-explanatory. "Feels like homework" I like that. I like what you just said. Good. Did you hear that MZ? It feels to me like Chairman Ray is doing homework i.e. responding carefully and intelligently to what he has to. He is the only person in this game I have this feeling about.
All these and some i missed way before haru posts.
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Haru, I assure you I will never be lynched this game. Bring it scum.
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Also that "ill sac myself then lynch rainbows" is scummy to hell. if he is town he doesnt know im my alignment, and no town would put all eggs in basket at the risk of two mislynches. Getting yourself lynched is stupid to prove something in this situation.
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