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sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 26 2014 22:57 GMT
#261
Did that make sense?
Imaginary
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 26 2014 22:59 GMT
#262
On May 27 2014 07:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Did that make sense?


Sorta?

I'll reread it a bit to make sure i understood.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
May 26 2014 23:13 GMT
#263
I don´t really like how sqrt is asking random people about other random people. I don´t see what to get out of these questions.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
May 26 2014 23:16 GMT
#264
going to sleep now. Probably won´t be back before tomorrow evening.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
May 26 2014 23:18 GMT
#265
On May 27 2014 06:33 Epishade wrote:
I think I'm the only one who thinks Sqrt right now is town. Chromatically probably too.

Here are my thoughts.

Chromatically is saying Sqrt is likely town for asking about the coaches. Though it's not something that I particularly like doing either, I also think Sqrt wouldn't likely be asking about coaches if he were scum. It'd be a good move by Sqrt if he were actually really mafia and was planning on asking that to appear town, but I don't really think that's what happened here. In my interpretation, Sqrt then jokes about his being confirmed town because of his asking about coaches. Chromatically thinks it's a bit less townie of him to joke about being confirmed town, but I can't see a mafia making a joke about it like that.

Sqrt's probably town for me right now.

Chromatically is also probably town, maybe. Idk that he would go out of his way to claim Sqrt as probable town if he (Chromatically) were Mafia. I would think mafia would just care to give a neutral read on Sqrt if anything.

Bunny, you don't want to clear Sqrt. That's understandable I guess. You think a mafia could have just as easily asked about coaches, but I feel a bit differently about it, and feel that it's more likely that a townie asked about coaches then a mafia. No read on you so far.

Alakaslam seems to be pushing a bit on Chromatically and Sqrt for backtracking, but I believe he's making a big case over a joke. I also am unsure of how what Chromatically said implies inherent guilt. Maybe I misunderstood what Alakaslam was saying. @Alakaslam, can you explain your thought behind that again.

Fuba - I put you kind of in the same boat as Alakaslam. I find it hard to understand what you're trying to push Chromatically on. Your phrasing, to me, is a bit poor in this line, "Are you saying that the phrase itself was an exaggeration, or you meant to exaggerate?" As, to me, they both mean the same thing. You say the difference is intent and I don't really follow much of what you said in the rest of your post, "According to him, he didn't mean what he was saying from the start. I find this weird because he followed up that first statement with more evidence to support it, along with the assertion that finding sqrt to be town is "what must be done". He doesn't think sqtr is confirmed town, but says he's confirmed town, gives evidence that he is confirmed town, then switches to saying he's not confirmed town for the only reason that would have made sqtr not confirmed town in the first place."

Don't really have a read on anybody else as of yet.


I would like to deviate and think that any of them can still be mafia. Just a few lines won't cut it for analysis. Reading last minute vote changes and 'extraordinary' claims might be my reads for alignment.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
May 26 2014 23:20 GMT
#266
On May 27 2014 08:13 mderg wrote:
I don´t really like how sqrt is asking random people about other random people. I don´t see what to get out of these questions.



Easier to gather intel without waiting for everyone to post, then filter. Don't you think so?
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 26 2014 23:21 GMT
#267
On May 27 2014 07:15 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Chromatically, what do you think of mderg so far?

I didn't like him after his first few posts, but his recent posting feels better so I don't want to lynch him right now. Null slightly leaning town I guess.

Why?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 26 2014 23:26 GMT
#268
On May 27 2014 07:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's like this. He town read me kind of, and then somewhat changes his mind on it. Now, in this post, he's explaining his thought process to come off as not insane. He's soft defending himself by explaining himself.

Also what's your point here? Like why is the post "significant"?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
May 26 2014 23:31 GMT
#269
On May 27 2014 07:44 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 06:33 Epishade wrote:
I think I'm the only one who thinks Sqrt right now is town. Chromatically probably too.

Here are my thoughts.

Chromatically is saying Sqrt is likely town for asking about the coaches. Though it's not something that I particularly like doing either, I also think Sqrt wouldn't likely be asking about coaches if he were scum. It'd be a good move by Sqrt if he were actually really mafia and was planning on asking that to appear town, but I don't really think that's what happened here. In my interpretation, Sqrt then jokes about his being confirmed town because of his asking about coaches. Chromatically thinks it's a bit less townie of him to joke about being confirmed town, but I can't see a mafia making a joke about it like that.

Sqrt's probably town for me right now.

Chromatically is also probably town, maybe. Idk that he would go out of his way to claim Sqrt as probable town if he (Chromatically) were Mafia. I would think mafia would just care to give a neutral read on Sqrt if anything.

Bunny, you don't want to clear Sqrt. That's understandable I guess. You think a mafia could have just as easily asked about coaches, but I feel a bit differently about it, and feel that it's more likely that a townie asked about coaches then a mafia. No read on you so far.

Alakaslam seems to be pushing a bit on Chromatically and Sqrt for backtracking, but I believe he's making a big case over a joke. I also am unsure of how what Chromatically said implies inherent guilt. Maybe I misunderstood what Alakaslam was saying. @Alakaslam, can you explain your thought behind that again.

Fuba - I put you kind of in the same boat as Alakaslam. I find it hard to understand what you're trying to push Chromatically on. Your phrasing, to me, is a bit poor in this line, "Are you saying that the phrase itself was an exaggeration, or you meant to exaggerate?" As, to me, they both mean the same thing. You say the difference is intent and I don't really follow much of what you said in the rest of your post, "According to him, he didn't mean what he was saying from the start. I find this weird because he followed up that first statement with more evidence to support it, along with the assertion that finding sqrt to be town is "what must be done". He doesn't think sqtr is confirmed town, but says he's confirmed town, gives evidence that he is confirmed town, then switches to saying he's not confirmed town for the only reason that would have made sqtr not confirmed town in the first place."

Don't really have a read on anybody else as of yet.

Sure.

I explained who I liked and disliked in reply to a query, stating that I don't hold that to be a heuristic. Sloosh wants the game moving and so do I so I answered.

I have no absolute scum read at this point, and that is not sufficient heuristic to launch a ghost-OMGUS FoS from.

But for chromatically to take me so extremely, surprised me enough to wonder if maybe I actually should scumread him.

I think this isn't the situation.

As far as my scum play under this meta, I simply act far more classic TL townie. Ask Kush.

Also I would hard bus, we were savagely accusing each other for the bus and rofling in the qt in extractor trick.

So Slam, I get that you're saying that you don't have a strong scumread on me, but it sounds to me like you are saying some of my actions were scummy. Did/do you think that my contradiction and my question to you were scummy actions in and of themselves?

Like does the bolded mean that you thought the way I approached that was scummy?
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 26 2014 23:37 GMT
#270
On May 27 2014 08:13 mderg wrote:
I don´t really like how sqrt is asking random people about other random people. I don´t see what to get out of these questions.

He did that in the last newbie game too iirc. It's just his way of playing. Got him lynched too lol.

@Alakaslam, Ok, I think I see what you were trying to do then. You were trying to get a reaction from Chromatically by saying what he was doing was backtracking. But you say you don't really trust your read on Chromatically because his reaction still isn't enough to go on. Is that right?

Also, you say that you think that Chromatically took you so extremely, such that you thought you should scumread him, but you didn't. How else should he have reacted?
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 26 2014 23:39 GMT
#271
EBWOP:

Or rather, instead of how else should he have reacted, what made you think it was extreme of him to defend himself.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 26 2014 23:45 GMT
#272
On May 27 2014 08:18 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 06:33 Epishade wrote:
I think I'm the only one who thinks Sqrt right now is town. Chromatically probably too.

Here are my thoughts.

Chromatically is saying Sqrt is likely town for asking about the coaches. Though it's not something that I particularly like doing either, I also think Sqrt wouldn't likely be asking about coaches if he were scum. It'd be a good move by Sqrt if he were actually really mafia and was planning on asking that to appear town, but I don't really think that's what happened here. In my interpretation, Sqrt then jokes about his being confirmed town because of his asking about coaches. Chromatically thinks it's a bit less townie of him to joke about being confirmed town, but I can't see a mafia making a joke about it like that.

Sqrt's probably town for me right now.

Chromatically is also probably town, maybe. Idk that he would go out of his way to claim Sqrt as probable town if he (Chromatically) were Mafia. I would think mafia would just care to give a neutral read on Sqrt if anything.

Bunny, you don't want to clear Sqrt. That's understandable I guess. You think a mafia could have just as easily asked about coaches, but I feel a bit differently about it, and feel that it's more likely that a townie asked about coaches then a mafia. No read on you so far.

Alakaslam seems to be pushing a bit on Chromatically and Sqrt for backtracking, but I believe he's making a big case over a joke. I also am unsure of how what Chromatically said implies inherent guilt. Maybe I misunderstood what Alakaslam was saying. @Alakaslam, can you explain your thought behind that again.

Fuba - I put you kind of in the same boat as Alakaslam. I find it hard to understand what you're trying to push Chromatically on. Your phrasing, to me, is a bit poor in this line, "Are you saying that the phrase itself was an exaggeration, or you meant to exaggerate?" As, to me, they both mean the same thing. You say the difference is intent and I don't really follow much of what you said in the rest of your post, "According to him, he didn't mean what he was saying from the start. I find this weird because he followed up that first statement with more evidence to support it, along with the assertion that finding sqrt to be town is "what must be done". He doesn't think sqtr is confirmed town, but says he's confirmed town, gives evidence that he is confirmed town, then switches to saying he's not confirmed town for the only reason that would have made sqtr not confirmed town in the first place."

Don't really have a read on anybody else as of yet.


I would like to deviate and think that any of them can still be mafia. Just a few lines won't cut it for analysis. Reading last minute vote changes and 'extraordinary' claims might be my reads for alignment.


Well, of course any of them could be mafia. It's not exactly the greatest thing to clear someone on the first day or so when there's so little information to go on. I just mean that, given the information that I've been able to pick out so far, these are my reads. I'm sure they'll probably change as the game goes on.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
May 26 2014 23:50 GMT
#273
On May 27 2014 08:45 Epishade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 08:18 HaruRH wrote:
On May 27 2014 06:33 Epishade wrote:
I think I'm the only one who thinks Sqrt right now is town. Chromatically probably too.

Here are my thoughts.

Chromatically is saying Sqrt is likely town for asking about the coaches. Though it's not something that I particularly like doing either, I also think Sqrt wouldn't likely be asking about coaches if he were scum. It'd be a good move by Sqrt if he were actually really mafia and was planning on asking that to appear town, but I don't really think that's what happened here. In my interpretation, Sqrt then jokes about his being confirmed town because of his asking about coaches. Chromatically thinks it's a bit less townie of him to joke about being confirmed town, but I can't see a mafia making a joke about it like that.

Sqrt's probably town for me right now.

Chromatically is also probably town, maybe. Idk that he would go out of his way to claim Sqrt as probable town if he (Chromatically) were Mafia. I would think mafia would just care to give a neutral read on Sqrt if anything.

Bunny, you don't want to clear Sqrt. That's understandable I guess. You think a mafia could have just as easily asked about coaches, but I feel a bit differently about it, and feel that it's more likely that a townie asked about coaches then a mafia. No read on you so far.

Alakaslam seems to be pushing a bit on Chromatically and Sqrt for backtracking, but I believe he's making a big case over a joke. I also am unsure of how what Chromatically said implies inherent guilt. Maybe I misunderstood what Alakaslam was saying. @Alakaslam, can you explain your thought behind that again.

Fuba - I put you kind of in the same boat as Alakaslam. I find it hard to understand what you're trying to push Chromatically on. Your phrasing, to me, is a bit poor in this line, "Are you saying that the phrase itself was an exaggeration, or you meant to exaggerate?" As, to me, they both mean the same thing. You say the difference is intent and I don't really follow much of what you said in the rest of your post, "According to him, he didn't mean what he was saying from the start. I find this weird because he followed up that first statement with more evidence to support it, along with the assertion that finding sqrt to be town is "what must be done". He doesn't think sqtr is confirmed town, but says he's confirmed town, gives evidence that he is confirmed town, then switches to saying he's not confirmed town for the only reason that would have made sqtr not confirmed town in the first place."

Don't really have a read on anybody else as of yet.


I would like to deviate and think that any of them can still be mafia. Just a few lines won't cut it for analysis. Reading last minute vote changes and 'extraordinary' claims might be my reads for alignment.


Well, of course any of them could be mafia. It's not exactly the greatest thing to clear someone on the first day or so when there's so little information to go on. I just mean that, given the information that I've been able to pick out so far, these are my reads. I'm sure they'll probably change as the game goes on.


It almost feels like sqrt will be a townie at the back of some peoples' mind, so I wanted to align myself for neutrality.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
May 27 2014 00:04 GMT
#274
All posting will stop now while I resolve an issue.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
May 27 2014 00:07 GMT
#275
Due to rule violations, this game is a draw. I'm going to reroll roles and alignments and post a new thread. The new game will start shortly.

Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YgtXQajjFGy
Obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/FueaKHxUSHPQ
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
May 27 2014 00:09 GMT
#276
You can access the new game thread here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia

Role PMs will be going out shortly.
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jabberwockzerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States294 Posts
May 27 2014 00:16 GMT
#277
On May 27 2014 08:39 Epishade wrote:
EBWOP:

Or rather, instead of how else should he have reacted, what made you think it was extreme of him to defend himself.

can't really put a finger on it, but his tone was probably more defensive than it needs to be. Not making a call one way or the other just stuck out in my mind.
I put the money in the jacket, and the jacket on the kangaroo, and now he's hopping away!
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 27 2014 00:23 GMT
#278
On May 27 2014 09:16 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 08:39 Epishade wrote:
EBWOP:

Or rather, instead of how else should he have reacted, what made you think it was extreme of him to defend himself.

can't really put a finger on it, but his tone was probably more defensive than it needs to be. Not making a call one way or the other just stuck out in my mind.

Bahahahaha
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27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 27 2014 00:30 GMT
#279
Whaaaattt
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
May 27 2014 00:51 GMT
#280
Setup A
27nb was cop
Sloosh was doc
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