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On May 27 2014 06:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 06:07 mderg wrote:On May 27 2014 06:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 06:01 mderg wrote:On May 27 2014 05:43 Epishade wrote:
I figured this game was probably starting today, but I was too busy spending time out on my expensive boat at my expensive lake house with my expensive hookers. But here I am, for now at least.
Well, some of you I've played with before. Hellos! You should remember me as mighty hero Epishade, who slayed evil mafia-doer Eden for the win.
For those of you that don't know of me, I am mighty hero Epishade, who, in my last mafia game, slayed evil mafia-doer
Eden for the win.
Also, I'll try not to be so stupidly thorough as I was in my last game, like I said before. There are just some things you can't end up reading into when playing mafia, as people are too unpredictable.
Awesome post. I´d like you to be thorough. I don´t know how thorough you were in your last game but a certain degree of thoroughness won´t hurt. Right now I don´t really like sqrtofneg1 (holy shit, that is hard to spell). I don´t like how he said that he´s terrible at this in his introduction post. That´s no big tell, though. What about this post do you like? Just call him imaginary... Or sqrt. Also, not in defense of him, but this is classroom mafia- for newer players who wish to get better at the game. In a way, we are all terrible, so not sure how that is alignment indicative I don´t like it for ingame reasons. It kinda had to laugh reading it. I Should have clarified that. It´s not necessarily alignment indicative but I don´t see a reason to mention how bad you are at the beginning of the game. So it´s slightly strange to do so in my eyes. Okay, understandable. What do you think about the interactions btween I, sqrt, and chrom? Also chrom clearing sqrt for his newbtell. (Dont expand on the newb tell- just tell me what you think of it).
Not sure about that. I like you the most in the interactions.
I don´t agree with it. It wasn´t alignment indicative at all, so clearing him for that is kinda strange.
I think both sqrt and chrom have been strange in some way but it´s too early to draw any proper conclusion from that.
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On May 27 2014 04:16 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 04:00 fuba wrote:On May 27 2014 03:51 Chromatically wrote:
I can't "confirm" him, I said he was "literally confirmed town" which is obviously exaggeration. Then I explained to you why the question was townie to ask, but in the meantime sqrt posted that post, which made it less townie. I explained that in my next post. Are you saying that the phrase itself was an exaggeration, or you meant to exaggerate? What is the difference between the two? How would each influence your read on Chromatically?
The difference is intent. According to him, he didn't mean what he was saying from the start. I find this weird because he followed up that first statement with more evidence to support it, along with the assertion that finding sqrt to be town is "what must be done". He doesn't think sqtr is confirmed town, but says he's confirmed town, gives evidence that he is confirmed town, then switches to saying he's not confirmed town for the only reason that would have made sqtr not confirmed town in the first place.
Ultimately, the thought process doesn't make sense to me. Still need to figure out if I actually think it's scummy.
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On May 27 2014 06:19 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 04:16 slOosh wrote:On May 27 2014 04:00 fuba wrote:On May 27 2014 03:51 Chromatically wrote:
I can't "confirm" him, I said he was "literally confirmed town" which is obviously exaggeration. Then I explained to you why the question was townie to ask, but in the meantime sqrt posted that post, which made it less townie. I explained that in my next post. Are you saying that the phrase itself was an exaggeration, or you meant to exaggerate? What is the difference between the two? How would each influence your read on Chromatically? The difference is intent. According to him, he didn't mean what he was saying from the start. I find this weird because he followed up that first statement with more evidence to support it, along with the assertion that finding sqrt to be town is "what must be done". He doesn't think sqtr is confirmed town, but says he's confirmed town, gives evidence that he is confirmed town, then switches to saying he's not confirmed town for the only reason that would have made sqtr not confirmed town in the first place. Ultimately, the thought process doesn't make sense to me. Still need to figure out if I actually think it's scummy.
See the thing I find scummy from Chrom on this is that he said Sqrt was confirmed town from his post,
And then when I show my distaste for his confirming of sqrt, he then changes it and goes "oh, he's not confirmed at all".
I put both of them as reasonings (as in your reasoning-and my reasoning) as why i dont necessarily like Chrome
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I think I'm the only one who thinks Sqrt right now is town. Chromatically probably too.
Here are my thoughts.
Chromatically is saying Sqrt is likely town for asking about the coaches. Though it's not something that I particularly like doing either, I also think Sqrt wouldn't likely be asking about coaches if he were scum. It'd be a good move by Sqrt if he were actually really mafia and was planning on asking that to appear town, but I don't really think that's what happened here. In my interpretation, Sqrt then jokes about his being confirmed town because of his asking about coaches. Chromatically thinks it's a bit less townie of him to joke about being confirmed town, but I can't see a mafia making a joke about it like that.
Sqrt's probably town for me right now.
Chromatically is also probably town, maybe. Idk that he would go out of his way to claim Sqrt as probable town if he (Chromatically) were Mafia. I would think mafia would just care to give a neutral read on Sqrt if anything.
Bunny, you don't want to clear Sqrt. That's understandable I guess. You think a mafia could have just as easily asked about coaches, but I feel a bit differently about it, and feel that it's more likely that a townie asked about coaches then a mafia. No read on you so far.
Alakaslam seems to be pushing a bit on Chromatically and Sqrt for backtracking, but I believe he's making a big case over a joke. I also am unsure of how what Chromatically said implies inherent guilt. Maybe I misunderstood what Alakaslam was saying. @Alakaslam, can you explain your thought behind that again.
Fuba - I put you kind of in the same boat as Alakaslam. I find it hard to understand what you're trying to push Chromatically on. Your phrasing, to me, is a bit poor in this line, "Are you saying that the phrase itself was an exaggeration, or you meant to exaggerate?" As, to me, they both mean the same thing. You say the difference is intent and I don't really follow much of what you said in the rest of your post, "According to him, he didn't mean what he was saying from the start. I find this weird because he followed up that first statement with more evidence to support it, along with the assertion that finding sqrt to be town is "what must be done". He doesn't think sqtr is confirmed town, but says he's confirmed town, gives evidence that he is confirmed town, then switches to saying he's not confirmed town for the only reason that would have made sqtr not confirmed town in the first place."
Don't really have a read on anybody else as of yet.
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OK dinner time, I'll be back in an hour OE two.
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I would first like to point out that slam, fuba, and mderg have all taken opportunities to say what I'm doing is strange without really pushing any of it.
But, I will explain it because it is apparently far more complicated than I originally thought.
Read this whole page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450802-classroom-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?page=8
On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss
This is obvious sarcasm, as sqrt is clearly not confirmed anything. I was saying that the sqrt's question was probably town in a facetious way to make fun of the fact that he essentially broke the rules.
On May 27 2014 03:43 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss How is he confirmed town? Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches. This pretty much. It's generally more likely that he would be asking for a coaching qt if he didn't have a mafia qt, therefore he is probably town. Unless he faked this as mafia, which is kind of breaking the rules so he probably wouldn't do it as mafia. I feel dirty but it's what must be done.
This was me explaining why the question was more likely from town, because bunnies asked.
On May 27 2014 03:46 Chromatically wrote:Yeah he's not actually confirmed town ofc. The fact that he posted this means that he knows that the question makes him town, so he would see the benefit of faking it as mafia. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches.
This was me explaining that, obviously, sqrt was not actually confirmed town because it sounded like bunnies thought I was actually saying that. It was also reevaluating sqrt as normal people do when they are disagreed with.
I would like someone to explain what the scum thought process behind these posts would be.
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On May 27 2014 06:36 Chromatically wrote:1) I would first like to point out that slam, fuba, and mderg have all taken opportunities to say what I'm doing is strange without really pushing any of it. But, I will explain it because it is apparently far more complicated than I originally thought. Read this whole page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450802-classroom-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?page=8Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss 2) This is obvious sarcasm, as sqrt is clearly not confirmed anything. I was saying that the sqrt's question was probably town in a facetious way to make fun of the fact that he essentially broke the rules. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:43 Chromatically wrote:On May 27 2014 03:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss How is he confirmed town? On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches. This pretty much. It's generally more likely that he would be asking for a coaching qt if he didn't have a mafia qt, therefore he is probably town. Unless he faked this as mafia, which is kind of breaking the rules so he probably wouldn't do it as mafia. I feel dirty but it's what must be done. This was me explaining why the question was more likely from town, because bunnies asked. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:46 Chromatically wrote:Yeah he's not actually confirmed town ofc. The fact that he posted this means that he knows that the question makes him town, so he would see the benefit of faking it as mafia. On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches. This was me explaining that, obviously, sqrt was not actually confirmed town because it sounded like bunnies thought I was actually saying that. It was also reevaluating sqrt as normal people do when they are disagreed with. I would like someone to explain what the scum thought process behind these posts would be.
1) Yeah, that´s true. What´s your conclusion on that?
2) It´s not that obvious. Sarcasm is difficult to detect on the internet, so it can never be 100% obvious.
I´m not sure about any scum motivation behind that but it seemed a bit strange.
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On May 27 2014 06:36 Chromatically wrote:I would first like to point out that slam, fuba, and mderg have all taken opportunities to say what I'm doing is strange without really pushing any of it. But, I will explain it because it is apparently far more complicated than I originally thought. Read this whole page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450802-classroom-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?page=8Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss This is obvious sarcasm, as sqrt is clearly not confirmed anything. I was saying that the sqrt's question was probably town in a facetious way to make fun of the fact that he essentially broke the rules. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:43 Chromatically wrote:On May 27 2014 03:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss How is he confirmed town? On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches. This pretty much. It's generally more likely that he would be asking for a coaching qt if he didn't have a mafia qt, therefore he is probably town. Unless he faked this as mafia, which is kind of breaking the rules so he probably wouldn't do it as mafia. I feel dirty but it's what must be done. This was me explaining why the question was more likely from town, because bunnies asked. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:46 Chromatically wrote:Yeah he's not actually confirmed town ofc. The fact that he posted this means that he knows that the question makes him town, so he would see the benefit of faking it as mafia. On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches. This was me explaining that, obviously, sqrt was not actually confirmed town because it sounded like bunnies thought I was actually saying that. It was also reevaluating sqrt as normal people do when they are disagreed with. I would like someone to explain what the scum thought process behind these posts would be.
So with the first post, it didn't seem like sarcasm. You stated specifically that he was confirmed town. Where is the sarcasm in that? Also confirming him as town for asking about coaches shouldnt happen. Mafia could ask that regardless of whether or not they have a scum qt,
Also, i think chrom is town here. And we should get off of him.
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On May 27 2014 06:45 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 06:36 Chromatically wrote:1) I would first like to point out that slam, fuba, and mderg have all taken opportunities to say what I'm doing is strange without really pushing any of it. But, I will explain it because it is apparently far more complicated than I originally thought. Read this whole page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450802-classroom-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?page=8On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss 2) This is obvious sarcasm, as sqrt is clearly not confirmed anything. I was saying that the sqrt's question was probably town in a facetious way to make fun of the fact that he essentially broke the rules. On May 27 2014 03:43 Chromatically wrote:On May 27 2014 03:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss How is he confirmed town? On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches. This pretty much. It's generally more likely that he would be asking for a coaching qt if he didn't have a mafia qt, therefore he is probably town. Unless he faked this as mafia, which is kind of breaking the rules so he probably wouldn't do it as mafia. I feel dirty but it's what must be done. This was me explaining why the question was more likely from town, because bunnies asked. On May 27 2014 03:46 Chromatically wrote:Yeah he's not actually confirmed town ofc. The fact that he posted this means that he knows that the question makes him town, so he would see the benefit of faking it as mafia. On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches. This was me explaining that, obviously, sqrt was not actually confirmed town because it sounded like bunnies thought I was actually saying that. It was also reevaluating sqrt as normal people do when they are disagreed with. I would like someone to explain what the scum thought process behind these posts would be. 1) Yeah, that´s true. What´s your conclusion on that? 2) It´s not that obvious. Sarcasm is difficult to detect on the internet, so it can never be 100% obvious. I´m not sure about any scum motivation behind that but it seemed a bit strange.
Scum entering the thread who need to give an opinion on something would find it easy to jump on something that was already controversial and catching criticism, ie me. Add that to the fact that no one was actually pushing me as scum or giving any reasons why I would actually be scum, just lightly throwing suspicion. It's not a slam dunk or anything, but I think it looks bad. Worst on Slam, not as bad on you because you only gave it when someone specifically asked you.
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Mkay maybe it was just me and the sarcasm wasn't as obvious as I thought. I was under the assumption that it was clear to everyone.
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On May 27 2014 06:55 Chromatically wrote:
Mkay maybe it was just me and the sarcasm wasn't as obvious as I thought. I was under the assumption that it was clear to everyone.
that´s the internet for you.
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I think at the moment I'm too caught up in how I believed the situation went down to consider that you were being sarcastic from the start. Gonna take a break and try looking at the chain of events from your POV once I've cleared my head :S
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On May 27 2014 06:33 Epishade wrote:
I think I'm the only one who thinks Sqrt right now is town. Chromatically probably too.
Here are my thoughts.
Chromatically is saying Sqrt is likely town for asking about the coaches. Though it's not something that I particularly like doing either, I also think Sqrt wouldn't likely be asking about coaches if he were scum. It'd be a good move by Sqrt if he were actually really mafia and was planning on asking that to appear town, but I don't really think that's what happened here. In my interpretation, Sqrt then jokes about his being confirmed town because of his asking about coaches. Chromatically thinks it's a bit less townie of him to joke about being confirmed town, but I can't see a mafia making a joke about it like that.
Sqrt's probably town for me right now.
Chromatically is also probably town, maybe. Idk that he would go out of his way to claim Sqrt as probable town if he (Chromatically) were Mafia. I would think mafia would just care to give a neutral read on Sqrt if anything.
Bunny, you don't want to clear Sqrt. That's understandable I guess. You think a mafia could have just as easily asked about coaches, but I feel a bit differently about it, and feel that it's more likely that a townie asked about coaches then a mafia. No read on you so far.
Alakaslam seems to be pushing a bit on Chromatically and Sqrt for backtracking, but I believe he's making a big case over a joke. I also am unsure of how what Chromatically said implies inherent guilt. Maybe I misunderstood what Alakaslam was saying. @Alakaslam, can you explain your thought behind that again.
Fuba - I put you kind of in the same boat as Alakaslam. I find it hard to understand what you're trying to push Chromatically on. Your phrasing, to me, is a bit poor in this line, "Are you saying that the phrase itself was an exaggeration, or you meant to exaggerate?" As, to me, they both mean the same thing. You say the difference is intent and I don't really follow much of what you said in the rest of your post, "According to him, he didn't mean what he was saying from the start. I find this weird because he followed up that first statement with more evidence to support it, along with the assertion that finding sqrt to be town is "what must be done". He doesn't think sqtr is confirmed town, but says he's confirmed town, gives evidence that he is confirmed town, then switches to saying he's not confirmed town for the only reason that would have made sqtr not confirmed town in the first place."
Don't really have a read on anybody else as of yet.
I hate that EVERYONE BUT ME Is clearing sqrt for the coaches thing. That kinda pisses me off. And now he is just going to get a pass the entire game, not for his reads, but because he noobtold.
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Okay, back.
You guys really shouldn't clear me for coach slip thingy.
Reads so far:
Epishade: Town
Chromatically: Town
Bunnies: Top town. I absolutely love how she's still suspicious of me.
slOosh: Leaning town.
Everyone else: no idea.
No scum reads yet, but eventually they will come.
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On May 27 2014 07:09 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, back.
You guys really shouldn't clear me for coach slip thingy.
Reads so far:
Epishade: Town
Chromatically: Town
Bunnies: Top town. I absolutely love how she's still suspicious of me.
slOosh: Leaning town.
Everyone else: no idea.
No scum reads yet, but eventually they will come.
There should be atleast one person to call me scum so i dont die in the night people. Come on.
Lmao
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He's not going to get a pass the entire game. His question was more likely to come from town than scum but my read on him is going to depend on his posting, as usual.
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On May 27 2014 07:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 07:09 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, back.
You guys really shouldn't clear me for coach slip thingy.
Reads so far:
Epishade: Town
Chromatically: Town
Bunnies: Top town. I absolutely love how she's still suspicious of me.
slOosh: Leaning town.
Everyone else: no idea.
No scum reads yet, but eventually they will come. There should be atleast one person to call me scum so i dont die in the night people. Come on. Lmao
I don´t think anyone would call you scum just so you don´t die in the night 
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Chromatically, what do you think of mderg so far?
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yo guys.
I think I'll just watch TV tonight. Will catch up tomorrow.
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On May 27 2014 07:14 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 07:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 07:09 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, back.
You guys really shouldn't clear me for coach slip thingy.
Reads so far:
Epishade: Town
Chromatically: Town
Bunnies: Top town. I absolutely love how she's still suspicious of me.
slOosh: Leaning town.
Everyone else: no idea.
No scum reads yet, but eventually they will come. There should be atleast one person to call me scum so i dont die in the night people. Come on. Lmao I don´t think anyone would call you scum just so you don´t die in the night
Very well then.
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