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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:00 GMT
#549
On May 29 2014 03:59 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading.

I very strongly disagree with this. Just because someone is more active he doesn´t have to be easier to read than someone who is less active.


i'm pretty confident I can read someone with more activity over someone with low activity anyday
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:11 GMT
#554
On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.

This is really your argument on mayor being useless?


when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:12 GMT
#555
ever been changed intentionally* rayn doesn't count because drunk and angry at gumshoe
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:16 GMT
#559
On May 29 2014 04:15 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 04:12 Holyflare wrote:
ever been changed intentionally* rayn doesn't count because drunk and angry at gumshoe

I´m not completely sure but wasn´t it koshi who changed things from rayn´s order?


yes because rayn got angry and drunk and fucked off and koshi had already afk'd from the game at that point so didn't know what order to do
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:19 GMT
#560
On May 29 2014 04:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.

This is really your argument on mayor being useless?


when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too


Ive never played cell mafia on forum besides this game here, and i didnt read the first cell game here. Im only basing mine on video play. The first game i played, i was mayor, and town, and i changed the order slightly from what town wanted, because i thought it was best. And it would have worked if i didnt get mislynched when my turn came for it. Also second game, which you were in, yes, nydus was the mayor, and he changed the order, he was mafia. So town or mafia could do it. I dont think it gives that much info based on order change from a mayor.


nydus was town, regardless, people in video are completely COMPLETELY different because they do not have 24 hours to talk about it and get all their thoughts out in the open, their reads are also not entirely concrete etc, here you are much more accountable for everything that you write and town are very unlikely to change the order at all because there's no new information or anything they can ponder on over the night because they have to make the cell order immediately at the end of the day

if you want to take the video mafia metric into account nydus changed the order around but everyone was town reading him and his play as mafia is super obvious the later the game goes on, he changed himself to third in the order so by logical reasoning he was very very obviously town even though banks (mafia) tried to push that point against him
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:22 GMT
#561
On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.

This is really your argument on mayor being useless?


when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too


I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta."

I'm not a fan.


It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:25 GMT
#563
well it's useless in the fact that it literally doesn't matter who it goes to but it's not useless in the fact that it gives us reads
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:42 GMT
#568
On May 29 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 04:28 batsnacks wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.

This is really your argument on mayor being useless?


when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too


I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta."

I'm not a fan.


It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc.


Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless.



Yeah!!! What he said HF!!!

Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't.

And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad?


when have i said i wanted it badly?


On May 28 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care

As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:43 GMT
#569
only reason i'd want mayor is because i have the best order and nobody even commented on it yet
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:53 GMT
#576
lol what's with the 2 scummy ppl returning for batsnacks
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:54 GMT
#577
On May 29 2014 04:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:28 batsnacks wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.

This is really your argument on mayor being useless?


when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too


I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta."

I'm not a fan.


It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc.


Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless.



Yeah!!! What he said HF!!!

Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't.

And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad?


when have i said i wanted it badly?


On May 28 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care

As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine.



Maybe badly was the wrong word to use for it, but you did make that huge post about being mayor, which seems it took awhile to make. It seemed like you wanted it, regardless of your later posts after people voiced opposition to you.


took like 5 minutes to google the words "vote for me" and "buzz words" :D:D:D:D:D:D really wasn't meant to be a serious post ever
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:59 GMT
#579
On May 29 2014 04:56 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
only reason i'd want mayor is because i have the best order and nobody even commented on it yet


the number 1 reason i don't like your order right now is because I have arrived at 2 basic certainties at this point in the game:

1) Group A should go first
2) Holy crap do I not want tambo or his group last and to be in LYLO


why would we be in lylo???? my order HAS GROUP A FIRST lool
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 19:59 GMT
#581
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449768-cell-mini-mafia-ii?page=26#512
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 20:17 GMT
#586
On May 29 2014 05:11 batsnacks wrote:
We've got less that 2 hours.

Just consider this: What is the advantage of lynching the mayor's group first?

Lets assume that most people vote for the mayor because they believe he/she is town. If the mayor is in the cell to be lynched on day 1, that means that the first group up for lynch already has one person that the majority read as town. This gives town a starting advantage. If town can get the first victory, that is a lot of pressure on mafia. I would argue town winning day 1 is more important than town winning any other day, except for LYLO. Building momentum is important. Going into day 1 with a town read (the mayor) is an advantage. Consider this.


so why isn't A first in your order?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 20:17 GMT
#587
On May 29 2014 05:05 ritoky wrote:
Anyone else want to give their definitive Cell orders before the deadline? Other than mine I have:

batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D
bunnies: A, D, E, C, B
Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D

If I missed some in the thread, someone tell me so I can update my list.


can you just add your order for clarifications sake?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 20:25 GMT
#590
On May 29 2014 05:20 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 05:05 ritoky wrote:
Anyone else want to give their definitive Cell orders before the deadline? Other than mine I have:

batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D
bunnies: A, D, E, C, B
Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D

If I missed some in the thread, someone tell me so I can update my list.


can you just add your order for clarifications sake?


batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D
bunnies: A, D, E, C, B
Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D
ritoky: A, C, B, D, E


why d before e when d is the most unreadable cell there is?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 20:32 GMT
#593
Wow those reads are like......off :/

So sloosh and mderg are mainly the ones that i'm confused about, sloosh really has done nothing other than falsely "read" the last cell game and talk about kind of nothing. He even asked batsnacks a question that batsnacks had been asked a page before. So why the town read on him at all?

Also, mderg, did you not read the interaction between me and him? His thoughts had not progressed whatsoever since he was last in the thread and tried to add reasoning from the page before his return into his current reads like that's what he meant at the time. What i can't get my head around is you not town reading bunnies over mderg at this point it's increasingly odd.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 20:36 GMT
#595
in fact your read doesn't even add up to what you said before:

The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 20:38 GMT
#596
anyone voting ritoky for mayor is making a huuuuuuuuuuugeeee mistake btw
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 20:51 GMT
#598
Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you.

Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake?
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