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Where I'm at so far: In the red corner we have! Koshi Foolishness Oats Alakaslam (reads to come on these in later posts) Light Reds: WoS WoS - This is an associative read and is based on the fact I strongly feel Koshi to be scum. When Koshi gave his big list of everyone in town he said that WoS "town cuz good posts" WoS didn't respond to this but when prphlz said that he was in his "trying" list he said "I'm not even sure I could consider my activity... "trying""+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol I'm not even sure I could consider my activity so after 'trying.' snb not scum foolishness nice meta evidence from a year ago when SnB literally JUST played a really solid town game where he explains himself in paragraphs like you said. Dunno who I wanna vote. Getting weird feels from VE ---- mebbe because I'm not used to him actually trying lately? BH has actually decided to play this game which is non-indicative but his aggressive ego push on SnB is a style he tends to use more often as scum than town. Also his 'non-care' games lately have been more from town though obvs he likes to change stuff up Dunno My posting kinda shit so far Why not point it out on Koshi's list too? he also soft defends Koshi with geript, He also said my particular favorite line to say when I'm scum "Man I wish I were scum this game" + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh look I have a post left. Man if I were scum I'd be so happy to be in this game. I think my name has been mentioned/people have talked to me like twice. Don't really blame people though cause I feel exceptionally unless this time around Take palmar off scumlist, mebbe add Oats? Though a lot of first day choices come down to town v town so hmm Also should look at vote analysis Scum don't vote together D1 if they can avoid it for the most part so I'd look at where votes were before the mad scramble for consolidation started...? I think I'm speaking about when Oats and snb we're it'd at 8 I think VA could be scum this time around---looks like he's trying to be more useless (town VA) now after being called out for being try hardy early (Scum VA) Though I'm not sure what it means if we both voted sandroba. Probably doesn't mean anything other than he wanted to put his vote somewhere his scu m buddies weren't. Also pretty convenient of him to drop hammer. And none of that 'if I were scum I wouldn't drop hammer' shit cause there are a ton of people who would I'll be around after deadline to talk if anyone cares about me caus I won't be dying tonight, ill be around till we lose at endgame Its light red because if I'm wrong on Koshi I think WoS stuff can isn't as bad like I did like most of his posts those just stood out to me as odd. In the green corner we have! austin Austin is in a land of his own in town aside from Tehpoofter he's my topest town! He was actively trying to push against the ML on S&B he was asking lots and lots of questions and is addressing almost everyone in the thread. He was also doing so in a small amount of posts after reading day 1 I thought to myself "Wow how did austin not cap on posts" Then i looked at his filter and he made 19 posts and gave 6 away. To me he felt like the strongest presence in the game but he didn't even make the full posts allotted to him he gave away 1/5th of them. Basically he said a lot in few words which I think is very townie to do scum say little with a lot of words imo. Caller The town reads fall off from here but I think what Caller did (once I got to the part that the nuke was fake) was that he started discussion HELLA early in a gmae with limited postings this was super pro town in my opinion. I think mafia would loved to have rued in the chaos and wasted posts of a game starting he also didn't endanger town and even said that the nuke wasn't real before it hit and Palmer had done the anti-town thing he was claiming. MafiaCaller would have waited until after Palmer did whatever anti-town thing he was going to do (assuming in this case of course Palmer is town) then say "it was just fake bro calm down" instead to me it read kinda like "ok lets not let things get out of hand here I just wanted people to talk" Odin His first post was exactly what I was thinking in my read through. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 14:52 OdinOfPergo wrote: So you're giving up your "if I'm town Palmar is scum" heuristic geript? These people are a lighter green Ceph Palmer Ace Ceph - Made a big post at the start of the day instead of the end he also seemed far more confident than he did in cell mafia as scum to me, this isn't enough for a solid read though. Palmer - His reaction to be a big baby and hold town hostage seems more town than mafia to me but I have a hard time or reading him as mafia. I do however think that as scum Palmer might give up and do the same thing but I feel like he would have screwed with town more. Ace - He called out Foolishness on his weak meta case against SnB and I felt had a townie mindset on the Caller/Palmer situation I think he is wrong on Palmer but he did try to push his lynch on Palmer which is a townie thing. My reason for not putting him higher is that he replied to the post about him not talking about NBA/posting gifs by posting a gif which could be a joke or mafia being like "shit I better give out my town tell thanks for reminding me" | ||
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Oats was the other lynch for yesterday he was at one point I believe tied with SNB. Austin brings up a really good point that Oats was saying caller was town for nuking Palmer and it was so dumb he couldn't be scum but then Oats voted Slam instantly for doing something similar without hesitation. Read austin's filter I was trying to find this post and turns out austin talks about Oats a lot so don't search the word "oats" I don't have much to add on the case as austin did I think a really good job on it. It was much stronger than the SNB case and I think it not getting pushed over was most likely mafia not wanting to. Slam - I can't read you. You shot in a weird in scummy way especially if multiple scum people show up in the voters that were on SNB at the time of Yam's threat. You are a question mark for me in every game we've ever played and that pushes you from "I have no clue" to "wow he did something scummy better lynch him" to me. My main reads however are Koshi and Foolishness (these are my two most likely shots today as I think a) they're the most scummy and b) I don't think town will be able to consolidate on one and they're unlikely to both be scum) I will make a bigger post when I wake up highlighting the scumminess with quotes and shit but for now: Koshi He made this case on SNB and it got band wagoned if he is town here he would be excited I think that SNB his scum read was going to get lynched and be pushing for it (look at how austin the town hero was pushing for Oats) he would be asking questions and trying to really get people on his side for the lynch because obviously finding scum is amazing. Instead Koshi posts such inspiring posts as: On April 27 2014 22:01 Koshi wrote: Ok the things you asked me fully explained. Palmar: Palmar got nuked early in the game and reacted by playing anti-town. It seems he even wanted to play so anti town that he wanted to pardon our lynch. This alone is 100% nuke/Shoot/lynch Palmar for me. I said this quite early. On top of that he claimed scum the exact same way he did in World Heavy Champ thing by quoting the BH scumclaim "blow me town". So I totes want to kill Palmar, but there always is this 1% chance that he was major butthurt and he is actually going to be helpful now because he realizes his major butthurtness was retarded. But I am not holding my breath. Somewhere Palmar should be shot instead of lynched maybe? I don't know, probably the wagon of justice will move to Palmar near the end of the day. Foolishness/prplhz: Foolishness made the JubJub Journals last game so I love Foolishness. Don't be mistaken though, I always love winning games more. So even though it may look like I am just sheeping Foolishness, I am very aware he hasn't done too much. It has nothing to do with proplhz his alignment and how I read him. When I made my list of Koshi awesomeness I saw I already had way too many scum and I would have plprhz town reading his filter but I just put him as scum so people like JAT and geript can be outraged by the ridiculousness of my list and hammer on the fact I got prplhz as scum and I am sheeping etc etc. I just give them scummy points in return. Also laugh at them. SnB: I think this guy is scum. Honest read. I explained it. I think that's all! Bro status achieved? On April 28 2014 00:03 Koshi wrote: ##vote: SnB strongandbig is actually going after Foolishness "for not caring enough". Also superawesome research work on SnB part. On April 28 2014 03:13 Koshi wrote: Meh... ABBA bro you better be not be lying scum here. It's interesting SnB didn't mention geript. Because SnB disagrees with my case and calls me scummy for it but geript gave me a townread for my case. I don't know anymore. All my scummers are voting for SnB. I let the vets do their stuff and vote accordingly. atm I like for lynch: 1) Palmar 2) SnB 3) VE 4) geript ^^ Good job here pre distancing from the lynch he started. On April 28 2014 07:04 Koshi wrote: I stick on SnB. gn. On April 28 2014 10:06 Koshi wrote: Also this post count thingie is only a guideline and not a hard rule. Read OP pls. SnB lynch of Justice. He doesn't try to rally the town behind him ask others questions about his case the only thing he asked was to SNB "Am I scum?" He spends more time defending Oats than he does pushing his own lynch: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 07:02 Koshi wrote: Why isn't Oats lynchbait? Small filter. AFK till lynch. On April 28 2014 07:03 Koshi wrote: I read Oats filter after reading austin case and I don't see the connection. The case is larger than his filter. On April 28 2014 07:07 Koshi wrote: Oats even has way bigger filters than this as mafia. He is a fucking hard catch normally. Look at all the games. He always is like last mafia standing. He doesn't try to give extra reasoning why SnB is scum he basically says he is scum gogogogog. Look at the way austin approached his lynch (imo super townie) and how Koshi did... he was pushing but not and defending the other lynch. I think its super likely Koshi and Oats are both mafia and thats why I put him ahead of Foolishness. The other thing Koshi has done since day 1 right after the night phase ended: On April 29 2014 17:53 Koshi wrote: geript got shot. Things we learn from his filter: 1) Oats is town 2) Alakaslam is town 3) Cephiro needs to be shot really badly. geript was on Cephiro ass. 4) Foolishness is weird and needs to be shot. 5) Plammer is playing Dota and needs to be shot. 6) RoL useless should be shot. 7) 8) SnB was wrong about the last 2 but still got shot. This means he got a pretty decent % right on the other 6. I have read his entire filter twice now and I don't think I missed another big read of his. He had Sandroba as town, so that's something he was right about, but it is not something he would get shot over knowing that Sandroba got shot as well. So please reread geript his filter as well and please let me know if I missed something. I am pretty sure I didn't. There is something minor on prplhz but nothing too big. His early filter was about Policy lynch Caller and Koshi. So let me add something about this Koshi guy. This Koshi guy is totally not harmful. Almost every time it gets very obvious the longer the game progresses that this Koshi guy only wants the best for town. So I would say please leave the Koshi guy alone and not shoot him. Really. No kidding here. No bullets towards Koshi. So imo the vigis should really shoot Cephiro, Palmar, Foolishness. Just all 3. Shoot them. I see Palmar even agrees on Foolishness and Cephiro. He basically clears Oats and Slam because of geripts reads right after the shot and basically straight sheeps him with the Palmer read and now suddenly turns on Foolishness. Foolishness was right with him on day 1 on the lynch on SnB they were buddies he sheeped him instantly with his votes goign against his own reads. If Koshi/Oats/Slam are all mafia the geript shot was the best shot to make imo. I will post my Foolishness side of the coin tomorrow for now I need sleep and honestly after going through Koshi's filter again he looks so damn scummy its unreal. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 29 2014 21:10 Koshi wrote: Why can you write this long post about your townreads but your scumreads have to wait??? I have never ever felt it was benefiacial when I had strong scumreads to write my townreads down first. Anyhoezels. You are already wrong on me and Foolishness is a good busstarget because he probably cba anymore and the rest of your scumreads are the opposite of what geript told the thread. So you are saying they killed geript for WIFOM? That shit rarely happens, and it really rarely happens to somebody who doesn't get nk early normally. Anyway. Your reads suck but I am very patiently awaiting your awesome cases. Make sure they are awesome. Scum reads are more important and should have lots of quotes and points imo. Like I would want to make one long post on each of the four scum reads (minus maybe slam because quoting his posts is almost always useless) I don't understand you thing on Foolishness he is a good bustarget for me? Also you are assuming geript was right and killed by scum what if he was night vigged? (Honestly I think this is unlikely but I felt his kill was off for scum until I saw that you used it to clear Oats Slam and yourself any one of you could make that kill and be like "hurray I'm clear" maybe even multiple of you! 3 | ||
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On April 29 2014 21:22 Palmar wrote: that's not what I'm talking about, although there is a point to it. Dude is literally begging mafia to recruit him. I actually see your point here now when you said it earlier I didn't really catch it but I could definitely see this. BTW palmer read my Koshi case dude is scummy as shit and probably getting shot by me. Also what do you think of Foolishness? @austin/town what are your thoughts on day vig shots the no flip thing kinda sucks because I don't want to waste on someone who we won't know the alignment of ever. For me I feel like out of my list someone like Oats is a bad shot and a really good lynch because he gives us lots of information on a flip one way or the other. Get two days of good voting on him which is awesome. Also the fact that SNB flipped my role means that there is probably some other vigis floating around that might be red as I doubt town gets (at least) two day shots and mafia doesn't get any. I really am off to bed now I stayed up like an hour more than I intended because I had to quote like all of Koshi's posts cause every damn one was scummy. | ||
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On April 30 2014 06:00 Koshi wrote: Well I am also soon going to bed so make sure this poofter guy doesn't shoot Koshi in some insane mindset that he will lynch Fool and Shoot Koshi. Leave Koshi alone. this thread really needs more Koshi is town comments. Koshi "Don't shoot I'm town" bleh this makes me want to shoot you more because you don't give any evidence to your alignment you don't try to push me off you or even call me scummy. To me a town mindset would be there is a dude with gun to my head he is either a silly town who i need to convince not to shoot or he is scummy trying to get a shot on me. You havent really done either seems to me you have just kinda taken this "guys im really town though" approach. I think foolish might be scum but the more you the post the more I am convinced you're the scum between the two of you. if you're town like I need more or in my eyes you're giving foolishness a free pass (although seems there is some votes heading his way.) The only thing really holding me back atm is that I want you to get lynched so that I can brag about being super right. @ VE You said you were going to look over my case I believe Austin also asked you to look can you look at Koshi and tell me what makes you think hes town or even what makes Palmer scummier (I read what Palmer did as being a cry baby initially although him openly checking out of the game I'm not sure how to read... like if he is scum I feel like he does that if he doesn't like his scumteam. I feel like its slightly more town because when I was partner's with Palmer in that game a couple of us were afk and he basically carried the initial day with Steveling and in Titanic when he was scum he pushed his teammates to post post post and tried very hard it seemed as scum. Then in Catastophe he kinda trolled and sorta gave up on one of his win cons so to me it seems like more of town Palmer but its a bit different maybe you have a bit more insight into his meta. @ Oats Why should Koshi get my bullet over you? If not Koshi/you then whom? I feel like Austin has a really good case on you and you're not really fighting it at all. @WoS What does a Koshi scum push look like? What was townie about the way Koshi pushed (is use this word lightly) on SNB yesterday? I actually do like your BH case he has flown under my radar for the most part. What do you think of Foolishness as well? I was going to donate you a couple posts for you to answer but unless my math sucks you have only used 12 posts why say you're running out? Btw this post you made was my favorite of the thread:+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 13:24 WaveofShadow wrote: I will waste my posts whenever the fuck I please. ![[image loading]](http://www.ianspokerstars.net/_/rsrc/1321988779574/home/people/lek/rounders56.jpg) | ||
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On April 27 2014 06:46 Koshi wrote: I am sorry but if Foolishness says you are scum. You are scum. No need to second guess it. ##Vote: prphlz Especially when Koshi follows it up saying he thinks prphlz might be town/doesn't know why hes scummy but basically hes voting because you said so??? + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2014 07:13 Koshi wrote: I literally do this in every game marv is in and you never have a problem with it. You are even pushing me away to have marv his penis for you alone. Now suddenly it is a problem I follow the great Foolishness? I don't know what it is that makes prplhz scummy. I see: 1) trying to help town atmosphere saying stuff that is good for town atmosphere in theory. Then also votes Caller and gives reasoning. Asks a question to VE that probably has nothing to do with scumhunting. Asks the guys who think Caller is town why they think Caller is town. 2) Helping people who can't read the OP. Asking some questions to Ace that might not have anything to do with scumhunting. 3) Tell Oats he is wrong and Caller is scum. 4) Telling Caller he is scum. 5) Telling the thread Caller is scum. So I am going on blind trust here. Foolishness town hero. Can you go into a bit further detail on what you think of Palmer? like basically you're saying "I think he's town but I'd vote he's also not the best case" Ill look through your filter for a case you have on Palmer after this but I don't recall it. @town I Think Koshi is most definitely the scum between Foolish and Koshi.... look at the way they've played the game Koshi brings up a case on SNB but doesn't ever really push it he also defends the other lynch candidate Oats who if you read Austin's case looks scummy as well. I feel like he also REALLY wanted the Geript kill to be meaningful and brought it up very very quickly after the day start something I think mafia does because they know who is going to die. I am most likely shooting Koshi before days end unless some people I find townie can convince me otherwise (I'm looking at you austin, odin, ace, palmer, foolish). I think the lynch needs to be between Oats/WoS/BH/RoL I am going to read filters on them and decide where to place my vote. Koshi you have about 12 hours or so to convince me you're town or you'll be the proud owner of a bullet! | ||
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On April 30 2014 08:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Whats with all these lurkers coming back and calling me scum??? So many sheeples. Poofter why do you keep pussyfooting around about shooting a dude? Shoot or dont, dont wave your gun around trying to scare people. When you act scummy people call you scum shockingly enough. Read austin's filter I'd say 70% of it is a case on you. Who should we be sheeping Oats? I also am not going to just rando shoot this is my first time having a gun in forum mafia and I don't really want to be wrong I'd love to be able to say I always shoot mafia sort of thing post game so I am giving Koshi a chance to explain himself.  Besides the day is not even half over some people haven't posted since the night phase maybe we have a cop with a red check or something that a day vig could help solve. | ||
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On April 30 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: So why are only the scummy people voting for me poof? If im so super scum and austins case is based on reality then I should get wrecked right? Funny that its not happening. Maybe its because his case is not right. Which begs the question, what exactly are you sheeping? Is this innocent ignorence or intentional malice? You only have one vote on you in gumshoe atm. Austin I know would vote you in a heartbeat. I think it is odd more people aren't wanting to vote on you too lynch there has been quite a few new cases brought up today on people who didn't get much talk day one. My koshi case, BH, RoL to name a few. I am of course partial to my own case I liked Foolishness's on RoL too. My only reservation on you Oats is that I've read you incorrectly in the two games we played in (Titanic and Catastophe) both times I called you wrong. I also don't like this thing where people don't really defend themselves against an accusation. Koshi just did his whole "I'm town guys for the realz" and RoL just put out a small 1 line defense then kinda sucked up to Foolishness: + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 08:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Suck it phil. Your argument collapsed on top of itself. You talk about how I am lazy and apathetic and then say that after I sheeped you I pretended to draw the same conclusion. The real reason was because I just went WOOOO VOTE SNB, then went and did other things, then eventually came back and read it when I stopped being lazy. On April 30 2014 08:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: DOES THAT MEAN YOU TAKE IT BACK?! On April 30 2014 08:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: TUNNEL BUDDIES 4 LYFE? I need more than that like stand up and fight if you're town if you're scum feel free to continue as is. ##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD Voting you but Koshi I'm still shooting you until further notice. @JAT where are you on WoS? @Slam I might regret this but what are your reads atm? If you had another shot where would you be pointing your gun? @Odin/Ace where you at? How do you guys feel about RoL? (Austin you can answer as well) 7 | ||
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@RoL You planning on hunting any scum today? It seems your posts have just been like 1-2 liners of defending yourself lightly and badly in my opinion. I have no clue who you think is mafia/town care to enlighten me/the rest of town? You're kinda not doing much tbh. Granted you're not the only one that this falls under today who else would you like to hear more from? Me personally Caller/Ceph/Ace/Gum/Odin/Prplhz I'd all want to hear a bit more from. Ocho! | ||
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@Koshi Tick Tock. @ Ace have you looked at my case on koshi/austin's on oats and foolishness' on RoL? cause honestly I'd vote all of them before I voted PAlmer. nien. | ||
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@Koshi Tick Tock. @ Ace have you looked at my case on koshi/austin's on oats and foolishness' on RoL? cause honestly I'd vote all of them before I voted PAlmer. nien. | ||
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The votes should be going to one of the 4 austin pointed out. It seems to be RoL isn't gaining traction so I'm going to consolidate further and switch to Oatsmaster. ##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster Look at Austin's day one case look how scum Koshi attempts to bus him when the gun in his mind is about to go off then back off it later after I didnt shoot cause maybe he thinks I was faking or he persuaded me or something idk its a very odd thing to do and feels like scum. GUN TIME: I am convinced Koshi is mafia his posts lately were fake AtE like no ones business. He spent 3-4 posts on yelling at me and just calling me bad or mafia. He didn't really expand on his reads or try to tell me who to shoot minus what I think is busing Oats (who according to his geript read is confirmed town) I think its interesting that he threw dirt on Oats when he thinks the deadline is up (it would have been but I fell asleep early) Smells like mafia busing mafia here. I'm shooting Koshi and killing a mafia you guys that don't want me to can say thank you later, if by some chance I'm wrong Its on me but I'm not afraid of shooting vocal scum. (I use vocal lightly because he posts a lot but doesn't honestly say much a huge scum tell) #Shoot: Koshi I have posts to donate I'm going to look over who needs them and give them to people I think are townie. We absolutely need to consolidate and not vote Foolishness I'll go more into that with my next post. 10 | ||
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On May 01 2014 07:00 justanothertownie wrote: Oh god. Another scum. There is no reason. LITERALLY NO REASON to have a townread on Foolishness right now if you had a scumread at the start of the day. What has he done since then that convinced you? I want you to show me that specific thing. You didn't even use the BH mason excuse. You are saying I am trying to win? If so does that mean you have a townread on me? Because if that is the case why THE HELL would you shoot Koshi right now? Shockingly enough you can read someone as town and disagree with your reads. I think Koshi is scummy he gives his reads ME Palmer Ceph are consistant. No more Oats again austin went off from his earlier post:+ Show Spoiler + On May 01 2014 03:29 Koshi wrote: austinmcc Bro from ABBA cult. My contributions to this thread have been plenty. They are between the post in which I am fighting for my life? I didn't know that fighting for your life was scummy. Yes, I have to repeat a lot that I am town. That is because there is a guy who wants to shoot me. If I could point out all the scummy guys and let you believe those are the scummy guys I would do it. Anyhoezels. I am without posts. I will keep last one for vote changing. I will be offline in 4 hours though. If you want me to answer stuff. You will have to give me posts now. Koshi scumteam: ThePoofter Cephiro Palmar Foolishness austinmcc Those guys. YES I KNOW I LOVE TO OMGUS. But I am content with those names for the time being. Then after hes shot:+ Show Spoiler + On May 01 2014 07:07 Koshi wrote: Also Cephiro. Don't forget him. Alakaslam. Alakaslam Poofter Palmar Cephiro Those 4. Don't forget them Why not bring these up in the like hours between those posts if it change you only try to solve the game when you're in danger of dying or dying. Scummy as shit. This is why I shot him JAT. And the reason I flipped on Foolishness is that I went into the day thinking it was 1 between Foolish and Koshi and Koshi got scummier as the day went on. I find it hard to believe two scummers started that first lynch. Foolish also looked very town after his very long post. It made me look again at RoL who I still think is scum with Oats. For me the teams is Koshi Oats RoL +3 between Ceph/Slam/Va/WoS/Ve/gum This is assuming 5 mafia +1 traitor. I am goign to make a post why Foolishness is town next but I'm at work so having to do shit between check-ins is a pain. | ||
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On May 01 2014 07:19 OdinOfPergo wrote: rip Koshi  I think you were town at least Which makes me think Poof is not town for #1 not waiting for this shot until he really had to take it.. instead of like 4 hours early. But wait I'm so confused.. Because scum having 2 extra shots during the day seems so strong.. so many people with guns this game. I waited something like 8 hours than I said I was going to and Koshi didn't do shit he just complained that I'm scum or really bad. He waffled on Oats who I think should be the lynch today and wasn't trying to solve the game or push a lynch at all he just was typing in caps a lot. Not in the same way Austin was look at Austin posts Vs koshi. Jat What specifically makes you think My shot was scum motivated? Do you think I've been trying to figure out the game? like if you think I missed I can understand having different viewpoints I'd think it would be dumb if we lynched Foolishness but I still think you're town cause you're working on figuring out the game. tbh if you're going to shoot shoot like w.e. I killed a mafia with my shot so I'm happy you're welcome town. We need to consolidate votes!!! We need 10 for a lynch and I don't think were at it. We need to not let scum Oats get away with another day of coasting and being the 2nd lynch. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On May 01 2014 07:42 Cephiro wrote: Ok read up on the shot and the things that happened after. Respect to poofter for taking the shot. Complaints because it would have been much better to shoot Oats (whom at least I, and probably many others agree that would've been a much more certain pick for scum), and lynch Koshi. For those who really think I am traitor... pls, did you read my post at all? Or are you just stupid? I liked your big post on Koshi. I think he did really scummy things. The reason for shooting him over Oats even thoguh I think both are scum is that Koshi's flip tells us he pushed a town lynch day 1 (something we already know) if we flip Oats and hes Mafia we have SO MUCH INFO from the vote movements yesterday.... like who pushed on Oats who moved off Oats who voted SNB for no reason things like that. We get info on him and vote analysis info on everyone in town!!! So I think KNOWING Oats alignment over Knowing Koshi's better for town in the end. Odin's thing with the Matyr was good and is the first time this whole day I have honestly thought Koshi might not be mafia. He still could have made that post as scum but it is a very odd one to make. ;/ But lets talk less about the shot more about the lynch we have to make in a couple hours here. If you want to tell me I'm bad for my shot then tell me but also tell me who we should lynch thats better. @Jat so the BH Foolish supposed QT thing do you think thtas a play made by scum? If so is it scum/scum or scum/town? Like BH coming out to say that Foolish is town because of a QT makes it hard for it to be Scum/Scum imo because thats like a mega risky play they have to bank on especially since BH calimed hes a recruiter and therefore HAS to pull more people into his QT therefore verifying his claims. So I think that BH here can't be scum with Foolish... I read Foolish as town so I'm thinking BH/Foolish Town Jat Odin Austin Me town Ceph's last post moved him off my list tbh like he seemed honestly angry his case wasnt heard. Where is Ace/VE/Caller? Palmer quit complaining about how you're playing bad and step up and make a case one at least one person I think you're frustrated/dejected town but like if you're not useful you're going to make us lose. TO ALL TOWN WE NEED TO LYNCH Can we get a new vote count? Jat I'm going to convince you Foolishness isn't scum just give me a minute I'm trying to do this shit from work and apparently today is phone call day so I keep getting interrupted trying to make big posts. grr. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On May 01 2014 04:12 Foolishness wrote: I'll consolidate my vote onto any of the four austin proposed (with the exception being myself of course). Also Cephiro promised us something good by half-way into day 2 and has not delivered yet. He wants the info from the player hes not pushing for a lynch instantly he thinks its scummy but hes reasonable and wants to point it out/pressure him to give info. Note in this case it worked as Ceph gave his reads and Foolish responds to them: On May 01 2014 05:16 Foolishness wrote: I'm having trouble understanding this world where 3 active town members on day 1 (plus one confirmed town who died at night) who each posted their own cases about why strongandbig should be lynched are mafia and not say the ~8 people who have yet to post a case, contribute to the town or post their own thoughts. I'm also having trouble believing that it's in the best interest to the town to kill the people who are posting cases and contributing and just letting those ~8 people get away with doing nothing. So I would be honored if someone can explain to me why the people who sat around on day 1 are all likely town. And ya know, you can do this by responding to the cases already made or by posting your own. Here he responds to the case and he doesn't like what Ceph had to say (me personally I read him as town because of his post although I dislike his Foolish/Odin read I still think it was town) Foolish here reasons with Ceph's idea not with him. A mafia Foolish could just call ceph scummy and vote for him here its an easy thing to push and he doesn't he argues against the idea to try to get him to follow his thought process. The part I bolded just radiates town: He encourages people to post cases and not just sheep which is an excellent way to catch scum because scum can't just blindly sheep. Look at Foolishness' big post for the day:+ Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 07:45 Foolishness wrote: Except it wasn't a bad case because 12 people voted on it? Oops. If someone wants to post an actual case against me I'll gladly respond to it (or quote it for me in case I missed it). I haven't seen any real arguments about how I'm mafia. Most of them are silly because they boil down to: 1) sandroba said so. Of which I have to say: a) He also said that Palmar is mafia (and Palmar said he was mafia let's not forget that) and Palmar is a much more questionable character than I am for obvious reasons. b) Like you have never nightkilled someone to incriminate another town? c) I already refuted what sandroba had to say about me. If you need clarification bring up an argument and I'll respond. 2) I pushed a "bad" case on day 1. Of which I have to say: a) It wasn't bad because a bunch of people (including townies) voted on it. b) A bunch of people independently came up with reasons why it was a good lynch. c) It's not my mafia meta like some people claim. According to the past 4 forum mafia games I've played I have either 1) done jack shit while I was alive or 2) make a case but never follow through. On that subject, I return to what I said in an earlier post. Some of you seem to have this idea that yesterday's lynch was a mafia controlled lynch. I find this hard to believe and it's probably not true. The main reason being is because of point 2b) above: a bunch of people all had given reasons why strongandbig was a good lynch, all of which came independently. These people include Koshi, geript (confirmed town), Blazinghand and myself. If this was a mafia controlled lynch than a lot of people who started the wagon on him would have to be mafia (which is not true. Of the 4 people I listed there I'm sure we're all town. At most one is mafia if you want to hedge I guess). Not to mention there was opposition to the lynch in the form of good opposition from people like Odin and prphlz (by this I mean actual reasons behind why he's town and not just "this lynch sucks like some people did"). Furthermore, how many people are there that sat and watched that lynch happen? There's a lot, and I'll come back to those people below and I've already said who in my previous posts. For every person in this game that is making constructive posts and pushing reads it feels like there's 2 people who are sheeping (though 2 is an exaggeration in reality). What do you think is the most likely scenario for what has happened this game: 1) mafia pushed the strongandbig lynch really hard. Of the voters for strongandbig there's ~4 mafia voting, and half the town is sitting derping while this happened. 2) Town pushed a lynch onto a town. Mafia have all their votes spread out and just sat and watched it happened (which means sheeping reads, not pushing whoever they are voting for and letting town self-destruct). It should be clear what happened yesterday unless you're in conspiracy theory land. I'm not really sure what this says about Oatsmaster (if anything) given that he was second in line to be lynched. What I do know is that mafia were very content with how things played out yesterday and did not fear one of their own getting killed. This means that the vast majority (if not all) of the mafia team were sitting back and sheeping along, because why would you put yourself out there to get townie's lynched when you can just let the town do it for you? The people noteworthy here are: RebirthOfLegend Who is guilty of: 1) Sheeping the vote read here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 04:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: As my tunnel buddy, I'm required to agree with everything foolishness says. ##Vote StrongAndBig And then claiming a whopping 7 hours later that he came to the same conclusion himself... + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 11:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Before reading both foolishness and blazinghands cases on SNB I took a look through his filter just so I could get my own read beforehand. I'd be inclined to see it the same as they did. It felt like SNB was trying a bit too hard to be non committal on everything. It just struck me as effort into making sure he wasn't saying anything anyone could take issue with. Foolishness went a bit more indepth and compared it to other games, however I'd say it seemed clear enough that the only real incentive to put effort into being as neutral as humanly possible is to hide the fact you are scum and be able to point fingers at those who were more influential on the D1 lynch. Sorry about my low activity, I will try to be more consistent with my posting going forward. Also, ##donate 2 posts to SNB. You seem to be low on posts, I suppose its only fair to give you a bit more to work with in the few hours before your demise. I will be around until deadline if I don't accidentally fall asleep while watching dreamhack. And then 2) in his most recent post here: He says that what Palmar did is quite scummy. Yet he said nothing about Palmar on day 1 (or Caller for that matter). He also promised that he would give the town something by the end of night 1 and he did not deliver. So let's get this straight. He says that Palmar is scummy for trying to mess with the town on day 1 (true statement, yes). Yet he did not feel the need to say anything about it on day 1 and just go along with the strongandbig read? What townie thinks that someone is likely scum and then not vote him, not say anything about it, and not push him? Yes, he is noteworthy for being an inactive player. When he's town he's much more aggressive with his reads and actually pushes his targets. Check out his post here from a game where he's town. Note that he actually makes a case using his own thoughts and follows through (he talks about cheesecake in later posts as well). When he's mafia he never makes a constructive case like this and only provides backhanded reasoning. In purgatory and storm mafia (where he's mafia) he comments on a lot of things to make it seem like he cares but he doesn't have the vested interest in hunting mafia or figuring out the game. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend WaveOfShadow Who is guilty of: 1) Not doing anything day 1 in a broad sense. He's always a big presence in the thread but most people seem to have forgotten he was even in this game (I know I did on multiple occasions). 2) Flailing his vote around on day 1. First voting for sandroba here + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I was actually going to suggest more people shoot so we can use the coroner and veal a whole bunch of stuff at once ( I'm assuming its a one shot that only reveals one set of no flips ) Also ##Vote:sandroba And then unvoting an hour and a half later (to his credit that was when sandroba came back to the thread and voted a bunch). Then voting for Oats even though he doesn't like the case here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno man, looks like Oats bein' Oats to me. I'd lynch him over SnB though for sure. 3) Says Palmar is suspicious and should probably be lynched but never doing anything about it: 4) Follows some weird train of thought that ends up with him voting Blazinghand? I can't even follow his logic through this one. He keeps saying he wants to sheep someone but doesn't seem to quite know where to go with that. He's either bored townie or mafia. I don't think I've ever seen him bored. Palmar Who is guilty of a lot of things. To be clear I will maintain my position that Palmar is town but I am still listing him here because he fits the bill and I would still vote for him should the rest of us decide he needs to die. My vote is staying on the better case for now. Oastmaster Who is guilty of: 1) Voting for strongandbig without any reasoning here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote: man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard. For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with ##unvote ##vote SnB Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls. 2) General absence on day 1. He was next in line to get lynched and hardly seemed to care. --- I have to stop here for now but I know I'm on the cusp of having this figured out. He comes out with his reads in a concise case like fashion hes pushing on people that either haven't done shit or have been doing scummy shit. The only weird thing he says is about Palmer and I called him out for it and he later gave in my opinion his only weird post of the day: On April 30 2014 09:53 Foolishness wrote: Koshi was one of the few posting things of substance yesterday so I thought he was town. I agree with you that his flip-flop-ness is questionable. I haven't looked at any of his past games (yet) so I'm not sure how normal this is for him. I do think you bring up some good points though, not sure if I'd shoot him yet. I'm just going to change my Palmar read status to: "I don't know". Thought he was town, but maybe not cause he had that bad post where he gave a bunch of reads day 1. Thought he was town again, but him dying would answer a lot of questions I think. I don't know. Would not bat an eye if he died. This is the only weird part of his reads and the only thing that felt off to me. Not sure how much I like this answer but the rest of his posts feel town to me and I can't see myself voting on him today over Oats who has been lurky is very much tied to Koshi and gives us a TON of info for vote analysis on flip. JAT Point out where I'm going wrong please but I think Foolish is town. 15(I have a double post idk how but counting it) (+4 given) | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On May 01 2014 09:53 Blazinghand wrote: BTW we really need like 2 more votes on Oats. I've gotta run for a bit but I'll be back before deadline. Look, we can't no-lynch today. I'm willing to entertain shenannies if there will be people around We need a lynch Oats I think is mafia Austin thinks is mafia (look at austin's post if he isn't town this game like i dont even know hes bleeding green) Even if you might be fence on Oats or leaning scummy on him consider the information town gains from his lynch... two whole days of pushing on One guy 2 days of vote analysis to look at. This kind of info can't be garnered from anyone else in game. Vote Oatsmaster best day 2 lynch 2014!!! I have four posts left I can give them away if people need to change votes I'm going to go look at post counts for people but I think JAT is the only one that is close to capped. IF anyone knows who needs them let me know. On May 01 2014 08:27 Caller wrote: in case it isnt obvious poofter is mafia day vig and koshi was some poor townie idiot poofter waited until half of town wanted koshi dead then made case to shoot him town didnt say no he shoots no repercussions, hurray for mafia getting a free kill dont believe me? look at his most recent post, it screams mafia I was the first one to call out Koshi I think and I made a HUGE post against him at the start of the day... consider reading the thread before posting. Plenty of Townie people said I shouldn't shoot him Jat wanted to shoot me for it and I think he is townie (look at the passion he's putting into the Foolishness lynch which I think hes wrong about but its town passion imo) Foolish thought he was scummy but not a shot. I still think it was a good shot. @Caller What about my last post made me mafia? Also who do you think is mafia with me? Also is Slam scummy for shooting like he did? @Ace/VE You guys need to choose a wagon so we can at least get a lynch. VE you made a post but not a vote man you need to at least pick a side sitting on the sidelines is an awesome way to let scum get a no lynch and we're close on Oats if we don't get them then I think a mafia gets away. I know VE this is your time to be awake if you're playing Video mafia take the time to get in here and make your vote count. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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@Jat. If you're so confident on foolish we have roles outed that can help make sure your shot hits or you can shoot him and vote Oats. Like I think foolish is town and both of these ideas I think are really terrible but IF we happen to be wrong on Oats I think we have a safety net in the fact that you still have a bullet. I agree with your point that Oats can look scummy as town but I felt like in Titanic he put through the effort to at least try to find scum in this game I haven't seen that and he looks a lot like he did right before and after he Trapped WoS in that Catastrophe game as scum. Also Jat who on the Oats train do you think is scummy? I realize I'm probably among them since we didn't see eye to eye on my shot but who else? just me? @Austin Sorry if I make you paranoid bro just trying to lynch scum. What do you think of Ace/VE not being here and voting no one that is going to get lynched today? I had town reads on both starting the day but their lurkyness is giving me pause. 3 posts left. | ||
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